DUST Search - CCP plz absolutely no respecs

Beck Weathers wrote:

Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.

Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?

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Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 271	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:42:00 - [1] - Quote Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1034	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:52:00 - [2] - Quote "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1576	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:56:00 - [3] - Quote How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
lDocHollidayl Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 436	Posted - 2014.01.15 03:58:00 - [4] - Quote CCP, please delete OP's account. I will bet my kids the community will be better off.
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:01:00 - [5] - Quote The reason I would like a respec is because I have put points into things that at one point had some benefit but now they are useless. I wouldn't mind that whenever skills get updated only those skill points are refunded though. On the other end the fact I have some dead skills does help keep me from being a whole lot better than people just starting. Absolutely I think when the new suits come out those skills should be refunded back to skill points. Living with your decisions is good if skills were never changed.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2820	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:04:00 - [6] - Quote Skilling into a speed hacker, and getting it replaced with a chubby chaser is not "living with your decision". No.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1894	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:05:00 - [7] - Quote Please Don't Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1582	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:07:00 - [8] - Quote Not a big fan of respecs but it's really hard to argue against refunding the SP from the dropsuit skill tree. I mean, you can't hold people to a decision they didn't get to make. I mean, if I want to run a scout, I don't want some Gallente strippersuit on me, nor filthy Matari duct-tape-based technology either, but I wasn't given the choice! Those are the only scouts available. There's no FOTM involved here, my Amarr scout didn't get nerfed and now I'm whining about it on the forums. It didn't exist so I didn't get to make a choice to live with later. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior level 1
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10004	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:09:00 - [9] - Quote I might finally be able to get rid of these useless shield regulators and rechargers. Looks forward to the respec Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
BatKing Deltor Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 848	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:11:00 - [10] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it. May I suggest.... SCP-096? Or SCP-173? GMD Recruiting -Volunteer Firefighter-

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2110	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:36:00 - [11] - Quote Eve logic does not apply here. How'd you not know that? Natalie Portman.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:49:00 - [12] - Quote lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off. Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10005	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:51:00 - [13] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off. Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU Seems like the only ones that need to HTFU are the ones who are afraid of players making informed decisions with their SP Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 121	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:53:00 - [14] - Quote I thought Dust was a thinking persons game. Living with the consequences of your choices is an adult thing to do. Your choices. But if someone comes along, keeps the label but changes the outcome then it is no longer your choice. A law is considered to be unfair if retroactively applied as the guilty did not know he consequences of their choice. The skill tree is also changing. Show me the Amarr scout skill set now. Yet we have them coming in. So we have changes to what the skills do and to the branches in the tree. Can the OP explain how one is to make a valid choice if the system is retroactively changing? Can they also be 100% confident that no change in the skill tree is happening when we are getting two new scout suits plus a bunch of heavies? Tl;dr blaming people for lacking crystal balls and a logic failure in stating the skill tree isn't changin when it clearly is. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 172	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:54:00 - [15] - Quote these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5104	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:54:00 - [16] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? 1) Actually right now everything is planned for 1.8. That could change, but that's the plan. 2) You do know it doesn't go "1.8, 1.9, 2.0", right? ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6438	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:57:00 - [17] - Quote There is a world of a difference between "Respecs On Demand" and "Respecs Due to Overhaul". Eve Online has consistently given SP refunds for skills that have been affected during the past decade. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 250	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:59:00 - [18] - Quote Ill likely still be in my gallente scout suit in the future regardless of the changes...cause I have a valor and i use it extensively...though i might spec into other scouts just cause. 3k isnt exactly expensive to play around with per fitting so . Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1513	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:00:00 - [19] - Quote Normally I would agree, but considering the horribly unfinished state Dust was in at launch, it was literally impossible to make certain decisions. Should someone who wanted to spec into the Caldari heavy just NEVER spend SP on a suit for an unknown amount of time, hoping that someday it would be released? No. That's unreasonable. Once CCP starts releasing new content with all 4 races at the same time, that's when people are reasonable for their decisions, and that time is going to be 1.8. But honestly as far as I'm concerned, we're still in Beta. 1.8 Analysis - Sentinel Damage Efficiency Calcs
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 819	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:02:00 - [20] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] Can you truly make a fortune with bitcoin? I mean how many ppl have? How long will it last before that scheme falls apart? Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2582	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:04:00 - [21] - Quote I'm hardcore anti-respec but even I think there should be an infantry skill tree refund now that there will be racial parity of the suits. Just let this be the last one so introduce any skill changes now. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 175	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:09:00 - [22] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I'm hardcore anti-respec but even I think there should be an infantry skill tree refund now that there will be racial parity of the suits. Just let this be the last one so introduce any skill changes now. ^BOOM knowledge up in you, do you feel that info up in ya? lets move on now VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2823	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:09:00 - [23] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off. Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU Fastest logi is like being the smartest kid in the special needs class. No.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:23:00 - [24] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? Um you do relise they took away a ton of skills and completely reworked the skill tree, most the skills where in no way the same or no longer existed, there was no way they couldnt give a respec, the suit skill tree isent being re done or skills removed, just added to. Do you get it?
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 224	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:27:00 - [25] - Quote any time respecs? absolutely not SP refunds on certain skills because of large changes? absolutely for instance, if they push two new scout suits or two new heavy suits i sort of EXPECT them to refund sp in scout or heavy skills respectively. mostly so that the new heavies can populate quickly, rather than nobody bothering to try them since they'll get slaughtered by proto amarr heavies and whatever else have you.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 272	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:31:00 - [26] - Quote Bubba Brown wrote: any time respecs? absolutely not SP refunds on certain skills because of large changes? absolutely for instance, if they push two new scout suits or two new heavy suits i sort of EXPECT them to refund sp in scout or heavy skills respectively. mostly so that the new heavies can populate quickly, rather than nobody bothering to try them since they'll get slaughtered by proto amarr heavies and whatever else have you. So where was my assult rifle respec? They added two new rifles that compeeted with it, guess proto ARs stomped RRs for weeks... oh wait people including myself had new rifles proto and proficancy5 the first day. Yeah
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1049	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:39:00 - [27] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] Can you truly make a fortune with bitcoin? I mean how many ppl have? How long will it last before that scheme falls apart? Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k yes, yes you can... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Smoky Fingers Red Star. 211	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:43:00 - [28] - Quote Pshhhhh RESPECs are too mainstream Howabout CCP slap a RESET to everyones faces. Making a post on these forums stating you're drunk implies that you're not drunk or are a total weaksauce drinker.
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 176	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:45:00 - [29] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: SGT NOVA STAR wrote: these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? Um you do relise they took away a ton of skills and completely reworked the skill tree, most the skills where in no way the same or no longer existed, there was no way they couldnt give a respec, the suit skill tree isent being re done or skills removed, just added to. Do you get it? some passive skills are being reworked AND removed. the scout class is totally different in 1.8, and more emphasis on assault suits. THATs a totally reworked ground class. I GUESS U BE STUPID ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back. sounds like your reaaaaaally scared that people will create a beast fit and **** you. because you have no say in this matter. ccp will make all respec decisions, the only reason you have is because "in eve this, in eve that" what module on DUST is like eve? what maps? any swarms or FG's in eve? are vehicles the same? ammo? NOPE VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2268	Posted - 2014.01.15 05:56:00 - [30] - Quote I'm cool with all of my skill point allocations. But this is the thing, if they are giving all of the dropsuits new bonuses and tweaks....then there should be a dropsuit respec in the same manner that they gave for the vehicles in 1.7. There should be a respec and an ISK an AUR refund...just to be fair to the infantry. weRideNDie2getha since 2010



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