these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE.
IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE.
Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE.
DO
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any time respecs? absolutely not
SP refunds on certain skills because of large changes? absolutely

for instance, if they push two new scout suits or two new heavy suits i sort of EXPECT them to refund sp in scout or heavy skills respectively.

mostly so that the new heavies can populate quickly, rather than nobody bothering to try them since they'll get slaughtered by proto amarr heavies and whatever else have you.

some passive skills are being reworked AND removed.
the scout class is totally different in 1.8, and more emphasis on assault suits.
THATs a totally reworked ground class.
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That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what.

drama kings ftw

I don't even see your correlation with my post. I say there is no harm in getting a respec and you drop to the floor and start talking about...I don't even know what you're talking about.

Orignal Poster you have no clue

I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina.

It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one.

4- yes, nerfs have an impact on the effectiveness of items, but usually not the manner in which they are used. All of those items are still used in the same way, but not with the same effectiveness as before.

another under average tunnelvision scrub that does not know the meaning of "decision"

It's not about FoTM or other.
The core of the game have changed.
Almost all racial skills is changed and the modules you used WITH is no more useful or benefit.
That's not OUR fault and that's not OUR decision.
Example : I used Repair modules ONLY because my racial bonus is based on.
Now it's absolutely NOT my racial bonus. Why i should have waisted 600k SP for something i will never use again ?
I mean if i knew it was going to change recently then OKAY. But actually not.
We're not talking about something that going to be nerf or something like that we're talking about MAJOR changement.
Second point : We're talking about racial line-up.
Heavy players maybe NEVER wanted to be amarr. Why you want them to have waisted over 6 million SP ???
They didn't had the choice.
Same for scouts same for commandos.
And same for assault.
Amarr assault was used to be an "Laser expert" now it's the same than other AND they receive some ****** bonus they will NEVER use by lack of modules.
That's not their fault neither.
How could they knew their bonus was goigng to change when they put 3-4 million Sp in ?


Your logic can be applied for a SINGLE nerf or nothing more than 3-4 partial changements.
When the core and the mechanics of the game is changed your logic is STUPID.

Easy solution,if CCP offers a respec and you don't want it,don't take it,and don't cry if other people do take one.Simple as that.

If giving respecs means keeping the remaining minuscule playerbase that we already have from walking away from the game,how is that a bad thing?

In the condition that the game is in with regard of the low player count,it boggles my mind how anyone can argue against a respec if CCP decides to offer one.

The "hook" of this game should be to have an EVE-like experience in an FPS.

Releasing new stuff is separate from releasing stuff that should have been here to begin with. When the game was released, the only dropsuits we had were Amarr Heavy, Caldari and Minmatar Medium, and Gallente Light. We've come a good ways, and still have a way to go, for basic dropsuits, vehicles, and weapons.

The best way to keep people playing is to have an engaging game play experience.

I'm burned out currently because I don't want to grind to stash away SP for what I want that might be coming in 1.8 or not.

You're totally wrong on this.

"living with your decisions"

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one.
I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house!
[this is a decision]

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin.
I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle.
[this is not a decision]

What contract would that be?

What little credibility you may have had throughout this thread just died with what you just said.

you know it's funny, I had a big nicely worded post explaining why you are wrong. but then a notification popped up and I sat, thought for a moment and deleted the whole thing, all of it and typed this. 1000% more of the community agrees with me.

Says the person who vehemently fights against logic and reason

Classy

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None of those changes actually involved the skill bonuses
I am still correct and apparently you still don't have a clue

LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs.

Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive....

+1 FOR respecs.

I will consent that but the heavy buff and flaylock nerf did not include skill bonus changes so you are at odds
Secondly, please tell me how it would be OK for CCP to do this:
Remove Scout Sidearm
Not refund Sidearm skills
or
Gallogi skill bonus now solely Active Scanner related
No refund of Equipment (especially if a gallogi did NOT spec into Active Scanner)
or
Amarr Assault no longer has heat bonus
No refund for Scrambler Rifle or Laser Rifle

How are any of those scenarios even remotely fair to a user who planned their SP around their suit yet changes to the suit would nullify the purpose/intent of SP investments? How the hell was anyone supposed to plan on the scout becoming a logistics suit or the Amarr Assault now pertaining only to Armor repair modules when someone invested around Armor Modules for laser weaponry because the Skill of today was the Skill of today. No one invests SP based on past bonuses so why should anyone have to invest SP gambling on future bonuses?

Lastly I can't take you very serious when you spell embarrassing wrong, it's ironic because people who can't spell yet continue to write....

I am aware of the debate
Don't simply ignore the other scenarios either, everything is changing
If I ran a Gallente Assault I would've specced into Hybrid weapon for the skill bonus and regenerative modules
But the Gallente Assault is losing it's Hybrid weapon Bonus
(so Hybrid weapon respec)
And it's bonus is now pertaining to Armor Plate Modules so I should get a module respec as well so I can incorporate the applicable modules n'est-ce pas?

And it goes on and on. This is not about flavor of the month, this is a one time deal because they are changing already existing skills, not just adding new ones. If the future scout is no longer appealing to me due to range nerf, I should be granted the right to be specced out of scout and all the modules I specced into specifically for the scout because CCP made a drastic change that would effect my overall suit desires.

I believe, due to the several obvious inaccuracies throughout this, that I am forced to reach the conclusion that we have, in our midst, a fully-formed and free-thinking troll. What does the rest of science have to say about it?

Except that everyone knows that cars depreciate. It is a known and expected downside of vehicle ownership that deals with resale value of a used item; not the item itself.

Cars don't - suddenly - lose performance or change their abilities.

And if they do - funnily enough - we call them broken.

Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec.

That's not entirely true
I am saying there is no character completely designed for FOTM without monthly respecs. That was my bad I should have been a little more specific.
I can obviously spec into FOTM if I choose but it would require SP accumulation on my end. If there was a monthly respec I could invest my existing SP however I please and choose a FOTM. But since there will be no such thing as monthly respec, you don't have to worry about FOTM.

If CCP does an Infantry respec, people will spec into what they please and in any scenario with/without respec there will be uneven distribution but that is natural, just like there are more ants in the world than elephants. Things will be no different then when they introduced new weapons. People will spam new weapons for a while and it will be chaotic but then things will even out. And there was no respec for the new weapons either and the spam was like maximum. There's nothing preventing people from speccing into a new direction but a single respec is not going to direct the whole populace to one suit, one weapon, one fitting. It just won't happen even to a point of majority.

People have been playing since 2011 and waiting for X suit but never got it and had to work with substitutes. Now that X suit is coming out, I think it's fair that they be unshackled and go to what they've been waiting/planning for.

How?

CCP added skill booster sails???? Where are the skill booster ships???

This is incorrect.

Everyone assumes suits / weapons / vehicles / equipment etc will be strengthened, weakened or changed to keep balance but those changes are to be in line with the stated (read description) role of said equipment.

You are also assuming that everyone that played, plays and will play the game loves and is immersed in EVE and comes on this forum to stay up to date.

@Beck Weathers

Blissful ignorance or just drop it entirely because they cant be bothered anymore.

Same thing goes with your assumption that this will force people to buy AUR. Frustration and confusion probably turned off more people than spurring them to stick around and spend money.

These were posted before the vehicle respect correct?

actually that is not fully correct. you can buy any character at the character bazar for ISK if you are not happy with your current one.

beside that, the SP gain in EVE is fully passive, you can increase the SP gain by a proper neural remap, get some implants, then stop playing for a month, play the latest next gen game in the meantime to experience something fresh and then get enough passive SP to get a new toy with decent amount of support skills in that new toy. try that in dust, you will only unluck a single proto weapon without the support skills and nothing else.

7-10 bil is expensive? I made 1 bilin my first two months with trading when I started EVE years ago

and yes, 1 or 2 month of passive SP gets you very far actually. lvl 5 in cruisers or frigates from another race takes a some like 10 days with implants and proper neural remap and you do not need lvl 5, keep it lvl 4 save alot of time and get the support skills to lvl 4-5 and this is easily done in 1 or 2 months, not to mention that alot of the support skills carry over to other stuff.

who is ignorant now?

Yes I have 2 ALT accounts and I use them as test runs before I put points in my main

And I'm sorry I thought I was talking about how eve doesn't get sp resets all the time making you live by the choices you make not what sp system is better or worse.