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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:21:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Orignal Poster you have no clue
I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina.
It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one. The only thing i dont have a clue about is how this is any diferant fome any change since uprising. Is your only argument that there is more change in one patch than before? If they put the flaylock nerf, heavy hp buffs the caldari logi nerf and added the new cammando suit all in one patch would that have warented a respec? But it was ok to not give respecs because it was spread out?
Nerfs =/= Role change.
Flaylock nerf
Callogi nerf
Heavy buff
TAC nerf
LAV nerf
None of those nerfs/buffs changed the way that item is used or its intended role on the battlefield. They were meant for balancing.
Commando suit added
This was a completely new role that no one was expecting, therefore nobody was saving up SP for it, or specced into something else because it wasn't you yet. That is what makes this different from all the soon to be Caldari/Amarr Scouts and Heavies.
A list of suits that are getting their role changed:
Assault:
Amarr. Laser Heat Specialist > Self Prepping Assault
The others are getting changed as well, but the Amarr Assault change is the most appalling of them. That suit's bonus is currently the only skill that has that effect, and they are getting rid of that.
Logistics:
Amarr. Fronlines Medic > Uplink Mule
Caldari. Combat Logi > Ammo Mule
Gallente. Equipment Specialist > Walking Radar Dish
Minmatar. Speed Hacker > Chubby Chaser
Scout:
Possibly All
Sentinel:
Possibly All
Commando:
Possibly All
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:53:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Fizzer94
1- none of the logis roles are being change beside your perception of what those roles where. The amarr logi still has a side are and who dosent like better uplinks. Even the mimatar logi can still fit a code breaker and hack hella fast.
2- as you said people had no time to save for the camando, yet now people have plenty of time to save and a sp event to help, so by your logi no resoec is needed because we have time to save.
3- amarr assult bonus change is something i dont agree with so i would rather fight to keep it then give out a respec.
4-Nerfs usualy have a huge impact on how an item or suit is used, and new suit bonuses can likewise be called balancibg so nerfs do = skill change.
1- as an Amarr Logi, I don't like better uplinks... I hate using uplinks at all for that matter, too boring. I did NOT spec into this suit to use uplinks, I specced I to it because:
A) Logi Bonus of 5hp/s (I can live without this, as I think the new one is more fitting)
B) Enough Equipment slots for Reppers, Scanners/Hives, and Injectors
C) Racial Bonus that allowed me to get the most out of Reppers, enabling me to get back to logiing faster.
D) Sidearm Slot, because Scrambler Pistols
2- Expecting people to save SP for an unknown amount of time is unreasonable, they deserve a respec.
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4- yes, nerfs have an impact on the effectiveness of items, but usually not the manner in which they are used. All of those items are still used in the same way, but not with the same effectiveness as before.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.15 21:30:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:knight of 6 wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:
You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once"
You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month.
you know it's funny, I had a big nicely worded post explaining why you are wrong. but then a notification popped up and I sat, thought for a moment and deleted the whole thing, all of it and typed this. 1000% more of the community agrees with me. *Pins a gold dunce cap medal onto your uniform* You are now general of the forum trolls which make up the majority of the people upon these forusm, whom of which mostly agree with you. and just incase you didn't get it, the people on the forums dont make up the majority of the player base, and even if they did dosent mean they know whats best for a game or for the developers, they just know whats best for themselves.
You ARE a person on the forums, therefore your own statement applies to yourself as well.
What makes you any different than everyone else in regards to knowing what is best for the game? What evidence is there to assure us that you yourself at not just trying to do what is best for yourself by denying people respects/refunds so you can obtain an edge over other players?
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:01:00 -
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This thread has taken a turn for the worse, and has turned from healthy debate into something less.
The simple fact is, most people think a skill refund is an acceptable option considering the circumstances. It would be wise of CCP to take their opinions into account.
It was also bad on CCPs part to say refund/respecs will never happen, then dramatically change the roles and playstyled of almost every suit in the game. Actions like this breed distrust.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:47:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:
Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec.
Because you know there is no way to skill into a new suit nor guns without respecs.
But there is no way to skill out of a suit/weapon you have no intention of ever using again because the developers changed it so much that it cannot perform the same functions that you had originally skilled into it for. That is why we want a dropsuit SP refund.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.16 16:08:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Bethhy wrote:
We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec.
actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/"and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz.
They already gave a SP refund to vehicle skills since then. Holding CCP to their word is a bad idea...
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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