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knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1079	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:01:00 - [91] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: In all honesty, the more attention this thread gets, the more the Devs are inclined to read it. The more they read it, the more obvious (by reply standards) that the community is not only intrigued by a possible respec, but approves of it for obvious reasons. So, in essence, OP is helping campaign for respecs, albeit untentionally. This thread is more counterproductive to his efforts anyway, so keep it bumped up. I logged in today with 40 some odd notifications, all CCP needs is to read the second post... "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1593	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:02:00 - [92] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Quick question then, If the So called "Core" of the game is going to change (which I agree it is) How will you know what you want to skill into the day after the respec? Im 100% serious, you can hardly tell me you can precive all the under lying implications all the changes will have on the game. You will if you are interested in a particular race, as a much larger group of us than you apparently think are. Otherwise no, but that's hardly the point. Quote: You say the suit skills on your suit will be useless, so you want another racial suit, but say due to some small tweak to some stats and moduals, the new suit with Amazing bonuses you just skilled into becomes the largest peice of trash in the game. Do you demand another respec then? what if you find out the suit you had before even with terible bonuses ends up just being good because of slot layout and fitting? I'm not so much in favor of this particular reason for a dropsuit tree respec myself but it's a moot point because I think one is warranted anyway. But to answer your question, no, I at least wouldn't ask for a respec at that time because I was able to make an informed decision with racial parity available to me and thus I should be expected to live with it. Quote: I honestly dont belive most players will test out diferant suits before dumping all their skills into something proto they dont know much about. They should, but idgaf if they test out the suits or not. If they have been dying for a minmatar heavy for 2 years, let them have it. If they want to spec into some perceived FOTM based on some BS theorycrafting, that's their business and buyer beware. No respecs for future nerfs or shortsightedness. Quote: I could probialy conceed to have a respec a few months after they release all the suits, but CCP arnt great future insight planners. You completely lost me here. Why the hell would you support a respec 3 months after all the racial suits come out, but not right when they do? That makes no sense at all. In fact, that's an even worse time because by then some FOTM(s) will emerge and there's an even bigger potential for the abuse of a respec. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior lv.1
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 185	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:11:00 - [93] - Quote Beck Weather wrote: . While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else. Proof? When was this confirmed? Or just you spewing more bullshit with 1.8? Proofs or stfu
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10031	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:11:00 - [94] - Quote SP also isn't sacred when you have SP boosters in the game. It's a monetary asset for many, so it's just a bad business decision to change everything up without letting people use what they payed for how they want to in light of the new changes. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 830	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:15:00 - [95] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Easy solution,if CCP offers a respec and you don't want it,don't take it,and don't cry if other people do take one.Simple as that. If giving respecs means keeping the remaining minuscule playerbase that we already have from walking away from the game,how is that a bad thing? In the condition that the game is in with regard of the low player count,it boggles my mind how anyone can argue against a respec if CCP decides to offer one. Yes give me my dreamed about perfect skill allocation for this next patch and all will be alright everything will be fixed. Except when the next patch changes or when a whole new expansion comes out in 2.0 and that respec is even more useless because more shinny stuff will come out... This is endless and has NEVER fixed an activity problem in any game but momentarily. you will get reimbursed for your dropsuit skills so you can reallocate and then enjoy a tripple SP event... What more could you really want seriously without it being all about memememememe, my skills and pretending like you never got any use out of them, and now wanting to trade them in for a brand new pair of shoes There are core mechanic issues persistent for 2 years and your trying to blame inactivity on not having the perfect skills or having to work to get some new ones. its sad.
Onesimus Tarsus 838	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:18:00 - [96] - Quote They should give respecs because... it just doesn't matter and no one should care how anyone else spends their hard-earned(?) SP. If they do, they need a break. Maybe go play a videogame or something. I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
DootDoot Da Short Buss Legacy Rising 170	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:28:00 - [97] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: They should give respecs because... it just doesn't matter and no one should care how anyone else spends their hard-earned(?) SP. If they do, they need a break. Maybe go play a videogame or something. Like what has been said there will be a tripple skill point event after the 1.8 patch, Even if i don't want to be a heavy and want to dedicate myself to the logi role after that patch. i will still be able to make a militia suit and use my heavy gun skills. i got use out of that gun and skills, to gain more skills and isk. why should i just get those skill points back? i earned them, then i chose to spend them. when they changed tanks they changed the actuall skills and deleted some. so they would have to go back into everyones accounts and kinda guess what skills would go where matching up with what they had before, it would be impossible, that is why we got vehicle SP back. Dropsuit SP reimbursal to me is lucky considering it's CCP and the public statement they have given twice about the last respec.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:28:00 - [98] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Easy solution,if CCP offers a respec and you don't want it,don't take it,and don't cry if other people do take one.Simple as that. If giving respecs means keeping the remaining minuscule playerbase that we already have from walking away from the game,how is that a bad thing? In the condition that the game is in with regard of the low player count,it boggles my mind how anyone can argue against a respec if CCP decides to offer one. The argument that respecs will help save the dwindiling comunity are baseless and silly. All new players are going to join and not know the diferance, and all old player have stuck with the game this long and are unlikely to leave. Anyone who says they are going to leave Dust if they dont get a respec are just fear mongering to get CCP to do what they want. And to anyone who thinks these posts help CCP see that we need respecs are as crazy as a fruit bat. do you really think CCP havent sean the 1000s of topics begging for respecs over the past 6 months? this one topic is going to break their preverbial camals back? really?
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 119	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:34:00 - [99] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] For as many people have liked this, it's a bit disconcerting that they don't seem to get it. I support a full, final respec but for a different reason. knight of 6 says "my junk got nerfed, I want a respec because it wasn't my decision" That's the nature of an MMO. Stuff gets changed. That's NO BASIS for a a respec. The problem, and the reason why we need a respec, is that CCP released DUST without all of it's basic content. The problem is if I want to skill into an Amarr HAV or Caldari Sentinel (the Ferrari from knight's example), well, those things just aren't in the game. What should I do in the mean time? Not play? Save my SP and use militia junk? Use my SP for something I don't want and then grind the SP I need whenever the stuff I want is finally put into the game? The fault lies with CCP for not having this basic content in the game to begin with. The answer is to skill into something, have an enjoyable time, and then reasonably expect that CCP will offer a full and final respec when they add all racial variants of basic weaponry, dropsuits, and vehicles. Once CCP has done its part and released a full game, you can skill into whatever you want and accept the consequences of any balance changes. Your stuff getting nerfed is not a valid reason for a respec.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:36:00 - [100] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: In all honesty, the more attention this thread gets, the more the Devs are inclined to read it. The more they read it, the more obvious (by reply standards) that the community is not only intrigued by a possible respec, but approves of it for obvious reasons. So, in essence, OP is helping campaign for respecs, albeit untentionally. This thread is more counterproductive to his efforts anyway, so keep it bumped up. I logged in today with 40 some odd notifications, all CCP needs is to read the second post... I have seen plenty of threads complaining about how suicide ganks are ruining EVE, does that make those carebears right?

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2014.01.15 18:55:00 - [101] - Quote Im going to put it in simple terms. This is a FREE to play MMO, the "hook" of the game is skilling into what you want to play and use. Its all about the long term investment. The best way to keep people playing is to keep releasing new stuff for you to have to skill into, or to purpously change the meta so you have to skill into something else.This causes FRUSTRATION and forces some players to spend MONEY on the game to expediate their SP gain. yes some players will leave, but they likely wernt payiong for the game anyway. IF CCP gives a full respec, then there will be 100s of players who will get thei suit they want instantly and have very little reason to grind SP except to get proficincy 5 or something. That is a huge net loss of potetial income for CCP. This will cause quicker burn out and then they REALLY will quit, not because they didn't get a respec, but because the grind was over in an instant and they have nothing to shoot for other than a better KDR. Its the fundimental baisis of MMOs people.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 274	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:02:00 - [102] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: It's not about FoTM or other. The core of the game have changed. Almost all racial skills is changed and the modules you used WITH is no more useful or benefit. That's not OUR fault and that's not OUR decision. Example : I used Repair modules ONLY because my racial bonus is based on. Now it's absolutely NOT my racial bonus. Why i should have waisted 600k SP for something i will never use again ? I mean if i knew it was going to change recently then OKAY. But actually not. We're not talking about something that going to be nerf or something like that we're talking about MAJOR changement. Second point : We're talking about racial line-up. Heavy players maybe NEVER wanted to be amarr. Why you want them to have waisted over 6 million SP ??? They didn't had the choice. Same for scouts same for commandos. And same for assault. Amarr assault was used to be an "Laser expert" now it's the same than other AND they receive some ****** bonus they will NEVER use by lack of modules. That's not their fault neither. How could they knew their bonus was goigng to change when they put 3-4 million Sp in ? Your logic can be applied for a SINGLE nerf or nothing more than 3-4 partial changements. When the core and the mechanics of the game is changed your logic is STUPID. Quick question then, If the So called "Core" of the game is going to change (which I agree it is) How will you know what you want to skill into the day after the respec? Im 100% serious, you can hardly tell me you can precive all the under lying implications all the changes will have on the game. You say the suit skills on your suit will be useless, so you want another racial suit, but say due to some small tweak to some stats and moduals, the new suit with Amazing bonuses you just skilled into becomes the largest peice of trash in the game. Do you demand another respec then? what if you find out the suit you had before even with terible bonuses ends up just being good because of slot layout and fitting? I agree 100% that a respec would be amazing, but I still stand strongly by that respecs are slipery slopes, and I honestly dont belive most players will test out diferant suits before dumping all their skills into something proto they dont know much about. I could probialy conceed to have a respec a few months after they release all the suits, but CCP arnt great future insight planners. FIRST. You must ask yourself if you want to play a faction in particular (Me per example will ALWAYS play Amarr don't care if their suits sucks or not.). THEN you start compairing all the suits type and their role in the battlefield. You choose one type of roleplay. (At this point you didn't use ANY SP.) => The most important in fact you choose one dropsuit type : Light / Heavy / Medium => Keep it in mind don't use your SP. You watch the bonus it have and if it's related to weapons or modules (or equipements). You look if you like playing with these weapons or repair etcetc..... If yes or no FIRST you use your sp to CORE skills which is useful no matter which suit you use : Passive skills : Stamina and others biotic passive skills. Armor Level 3 at least. (5 is better depending on how much Sp you have) Shield level 3 at least. (same) PG/CPU upgrade like Inginiery and electronics (Level 3 at least) Exept for commandos : Grenade level 3. THEN you start using your SP in drpsuits : STD first. You try it. You like it : Use all your SP exept 2 million SP. Keep them for later. You don't like it : Restart from begining or reconsider playing an another faction. The "critical choice" are not maded always but they are maded during respecs.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 119	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:06:00 - [103] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Im going to put it in simple terms. This is a FREE to play MMO, the "hook" of the game is skilling into what you want to play and use. Its all about the long term investment. The best way to keep people playing is to keep releasing new stuff for you to have to skill into, or to purpously change the meta so you have to skill into something else.This causes FRUSTRATION and forces some players to spend MONEY on the game to expediate their SP gain. yes some players will leave, but they likely wernt payiong for the game anyway. IF CCP gives a full respec, then there will be 100s of players who will get thei suit they want instantly and have very little reason to grind SP except to get proficincy 5 or something. That is a huge net loss of potetial income for CCP. This will cause quicker burn out and then they REALLY will quit, not because they didn't get a respec, but because the grind was over in an instant and they have nothing to shoot for other than a better KDR. Its the fundimental baisis of MMOs people. The "hook" of this game should be to have an EVE-like experience in an FPS. Releasing new stuff is separate from releasing stuff that should have been here to begin with. When the game was released, the only dropsuits we had were Amarr Heavy, Caldari and Minmatar Medium, and Gallente Light. We've come a good ways, and still have a way to go, for basic dropsuits, vehicles, and weapons. The best way to keep people playing is to have an engaging game play experience. I'm burned out currently because I don't want to grind to stash away SP for what I want that might be coming in 1.8 or not. You're totally wrong on this.
Onesimus Tarsus 838	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:06:00 - [104] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Im going to put it in simple terms. This is a FREE to play MMO, the "hook" of the game is skilling into what you want to play and use. Its all about the long term investment. The best way to keep people playing is to keep releasing new stuff for you to have to skill into, or to purpously change the meta so you have to skill into something else.This causes FRUSTRATION and forces some players to spend MONEY on the game to expediate their SP gain. yes some players will leave, but they likely wernt payiong for the game anyway. IF CCP gives a full respec, then there will be 100s of players who will get thei suit they want instantly and have very little reason to grind SP except to get proficincy 5 or something. That is a huge net loss of potetial income for CCP. This will cause quicker burn out and then they REALLY will quit, not because they didn't get a respec, but because the grind was over in an instant and they have nothing to shoot for other than a better KDR. Its the fundimental baisis of MMOs people. Nope. You get SP for playing, you either spend it or you don't. If you always have more SP, you'll always have somewhere to put it, and you eventually get to try/be everything. Whether you do it the first week or the 500th, if you don't care about having all the skills this game offers maxed out, you won't stick around. Especially if the game sucks and is never functionally complete. This game has none of the MMO aspects, at all. The answer is simple: incentivize keeping your SP put. If you buy a skill and never divest it of SP, you start accruing interest on the "frozen" SP. Even if it was a small interest rate, it would make staying in a particular form at least marginally enticing, even if CCP comes along and ruins your original promised fits beyond all recognition, as they are wont to do. I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 274	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:13:00 - [105] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Im going to put it in simple terms. This is a FREE to play MMO, the "hook" of the game is skilling into what you want to play and use. Its all about the long term investment. The best way to keep people playing is to keep releasing new stuff for you to have to skill into, or to purpously change the meta so you have to skill into something else.This causes FRUSTRATION and forces some players to spend MONEY on the game to expediate their SP gain. yes some players will leave, but they likely wernt payiong for the game anyway. IF CCP gives a full respec, then there will be 100s of players who will get thei suit they want instantly and have very little reason to grind SP except to get proficincy 5 or something. That is a huge net loss of potetial income for CCP. This will cause quicker burn out and then they REALLY will quit, not because they didn't get a respec, but because the grind was over in an instant and they have nothing to shoot for other than a better KDR. Its the fundimental baisis of MMOs people. .......No respecs means no more players exept some noobs which their 2 millions sp don't worth a respec OR huge veterans than don't have any reason to play and already have everything they wanted. It will cause FRUSTRATION YES. But it will force NOBODY to use SP booster or Gé¼ item. At the contrary it will make them go away frustrated with the feeling they will NEVER go back to the game because the game try to f**k them. If CCP wants more money they should try to grab more players. THEY will try to get more sp and faster not us which is here since 1-2 years. For that we NEED PvE. PvE is cool for EVERYONE. Old players and new players. Is there a better feeling than 16 new and old players trynig to kill a giant Raid boss with 500K hp while he's shooting players with gatling / Mass drivers / turrets etcetc and his 4-5 sidekicks which repair him shoot at us etcetc.. ? While 2 Forgeguns stick to his arms are shooting our tanks ? Seriously. What if we have to fight a Metal Gear Rex huh ? Shooting with gatlings at infantry. Huge laser to light vehicules. Swarm missiles to vehicules And stomping everyone trying to get closer. While 10 drones are attacking us ? http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60205/1192547-metal_gear_rex.jpg CCp bring PvE please it's even more important than PVP right now.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 366	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:14:00 - [106] - Quote Fortunately I win either way. I'll have close to 9 mill unallocated come 1.8 and I intend to keep what I've specced into already (proto gal/min, dropsuit core upgrades maxed, RR, MD, SL) . Either way I'll be getting my gal scout, cloaking and whatever other new shiniey things we get. I've always been against respecs, but I think DS command could be refunded in light of such radical changes to the whole role system. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 286	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:19:00 - [107] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: The "hook" of this game should be to have an EVE-like experience in an FPS. Thats what sets it apart from other FPS, its not the hook. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Releasing new stuff is separate from releasing stuff that should have been here to begin with. When the game was released, the only dropsuits we had were Amarr Heavy, Caldari and Minmatar Medium, and Gallente Light. We've come a good ways, and still have a way to go, for basic dropsuits, vehicles, and weapons. They released new guns in 1.7 but didn't give a full respec to all the AR users, i havent touched one since 1.7 yet i have proficiancy 5 for it. Saying things should have been released but wernt is hardly an argument since you KNEW that they would be released eventualy. Im not saying you should have saved since the begining, but what is so bad about skilling into the new suits at the same rate as everyone else, its not like having it proto in a single day will make up for all your time without it. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: The best way to keep people playing is to have an engaging game play experience. And how exactly dose that have anything to do with respecs? Are you saying you can't have a fun comunity and play experiance if not given a respec? Will respecs stop proto stomping? tank stomping? red line snipers? no it wont. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: I'm burned out currently because I don't want to grind to stash away SP for what I want that might be coming in 1.8 or not. Then this may not be the game for you if ginding SP has you burnt out, because thats what a skill system games revolves around. Maybe set up your pasive SP and come back in a few months. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: You're totally wrong on this. Trust me im not wrong. CCP is a buisnes, do you think they dont like respecs because they belive DUST should be harsh like EVE? heck no, they dont liek them because as stated frustration drives people to spend money. They will shoot themselves in the foot finacialy big time if they give a respec, mark my words.
Adelia Lafayette Science For Death 550	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:26:00 - [108] - Quote the first response to this post used Ferrari's as an example. I don't want a Ferrari I want a Porsche. Wait you mean I can't buy a Porsche yet they aren't available I have to buy a Ferrari if I want to keep up on the road or just suffer with my moped while cars keep flying around me in their Ferrari's? I thought Porsche was supposed to be available at the start of the road finishing construction. oh wait the road construction isn't over yet... Then again when is road construction ever over. Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:49:00 - [109] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 891	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:52:00 - [110] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. What contract would that be? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 19:57:00 - [111] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. What contract would that be? In hypothetical terms or game terms? annnnyway the "contract" was pressing X when you skilled into a particular suit, knowing new suits would be on the way and or old ones would be changed. You may have only had the Amarr heavy and really wanted the Gal heavy, but thats why they have malita and starter suits, so you can use them with minimal SP investment, people who went proto obviously must have liked the suit.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10033	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:01:00 - [112] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. What contract would that be? In hypothetical terms or game terms? annnnyway the "contract" was pressing X when you skilled into a particular suit, knowing new suits would be on the way and or old ones would be changed. You may have only had the Amarr heavy and really wanted the Gal heavy, but thats why they have malita and starter suits, so you can use them with minimal SP investment, people who went proto obviously must have liked the suit. What little credibility you may have had throughout this thread just died with what you just said. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5722	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:03:00 - [113] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. What contract would that be? EULA, its not so much we signed it but instead gave permission for CCP to do their jobs. However understandably, as developers, and gamers themselves they likely understand the frustrations we face. Not that they are going to do something about it, CCP have been lauded for their innovation, and harshly critiqued for what reviewers and gamers call supreme arrogance. I'd like to think they would give me a chance to re allocated the years worth of SP I have earnt, and get full value from the 100+ NZ dollars I spent, but I understand why people are so dead set against this happening. I would have like to see CCP release a full game, and then given us the Uprising respect rather than the respec and a half finished game. Anything more than baseline standard racial parity is expansion content and can be considered such and not subject to respec. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:16:00 - [114] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: What little credibility you may have had throughout this thread just died with what you just said. I wasent informed that I needed credability, nore that your opinion would have any affect on it. I sit here with an un biased opinion on why respecs are bad mkay? All im getting in responce is peoples tears over how their suit they skilled into isent what they signed up for, and to hell with the damage it dose to the game. As I have said before, if respecs where not a terible buisness model and bad for the game, CCP would give them out after every patch.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1090	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:33:00 - [115] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. you know it's funny, I had a big nicely worded post explaining why you are wrong. but then a notification popped up and I sat, thought for a moment and deleted the whole thing, all of it and typed this. 1000% more of the community agrees with me. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:36:00 - [116] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. you know it's funny, I had a big nicely worded post explaining why you are wrong. but then a notification popped up and I sat, thought for a moment and deleted the whole thing, all of it and typed this. 1000% more of the community agrees with me. Pins a gold dunce cap medal onto your uniform You are now general of the forum trolls which make up the majority of the people upon these forusm, whom of which mostly agree with you.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2940	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:38:00 - [117] - Quote It's not a respec, it's a refund. Respec implies that all sp is being returned. Refund, means they are only giving back a portion of your SP. CCP will most likely do a refund (this is my personal speculation). This refund will (hopefully) consist of a refund on all dropsuit skills (due to new heavies and scouts) and modules (really hoping so because they will have effectively screwed over 90% of my fittings if they don't) Commando 6 // A.R.C Commander // D-Uni instructor A Balac's and a Thale's.....What's on your commando?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10034	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:39:00 - [118] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: You forgot the fine print on the contract you signed to buy that ferrari, its said "this ferrari may spontaniously change into a tricycle or a monster truck with flame throwers at any given moment in the forseeable future. It may even happen more than once" You hoped it would stay a Ferrari, or you may even prayed it would turn into the monster truck, Heck you may even really have a thing for tricycles, but you knew it was inevitable, yet you still want to get a full trade in for a Mustang that might change into a pogostick in a month. you know it's funny, I had a big nicely worded post explaining why you are wrong. but then a notification popped up and I sat, thought for a moment and deleted the whole thing, all of it and typed this. 1000% more of the community agrees with me. Pins a gold dunce cap medal onto your uniform You are now general of the forum trolls which make up the majority of the people upon these forusm, whom of which mostly agree with you. Says the person who vehemently fights against logic and reason Classy Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1090	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:47:00 - [119] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Pins a gold dunce cap medal onto your uniform You are now general of the forum trolls which make up the majority of the people upon these forusm, whom of which mostly agree with you. and just incase you didn't get it, the people on the forums dont make up the majority of the player base, and even if they did dosent mean they know whats best for a game or for the developers, they just know whats best for themselves. ME? FORUM TROLL? I am insulted, I would never stoop to such lows. trolling other community members is wrong and against the forum rules. I figured that if you couldn't be reasoned with in 6 pages of well detailed and logical counter argument, then it was only logical to try illogical poorly detailed counter argument. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 287	Posted - 2014.01.15 20:47:00 - [120] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Says the person who vehemently fights against logic and reason Classy Logi is in the eye of the beholder bub, tho i do wonder if you need your eyes checked. And i have yet to be presented with a reason why respecs are necisary, other than people crying they will quit if not given what they want.



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