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Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 186	Posted - 2014.01.16 13:47:00 - [181] - Quote A respec is a double edged sword for CCP. If they do not give us one (which the x3sp event, and lack of confirmations would lead us to believe) then 1.8 had better have a flawless launch. With speculations (not much confirmed) of complete overhauls of suits, skills, and even modules (ex: dmg mods) they are changing the foundations that a lot of us built our suits around. You change the suit, you drastically alter our playstyle, our loadout, and ultimately our efficiency on the battlefield. No respec, I doubt people stick around to deal with the turmoil of a buggy launch. Think its any coincidence that SiSi "leaked" info right in the heart of the tank QQ, after 2 weeks of no Dev Tags and numbers dropping off? Me neither. However, if CCP does offer a respec, then 1.8 can afford to be a less than spectacular launch. People will be so happy with their unallocated SP they will be more willing to put up with 3 weeks of bugs and broken suit bonuses and armor reps not working and what not. And anyone that thinks FoTM is going to be any more of a problem than usual, I disagree. Anyone dumb enough to go FOTM after 1.7 deserves the isk sink. It will take at least a week for 85% of this population to figure out what the FOTM is anyways, and my guess is only about 30% have enough SP to 'waste' into it. And not that many make it through the first week without allocating all of their SP.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2228	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:02:00 - [182] - Quote CCP cant lose with a respec Intelligence is OP
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 999	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:16:00 - [183] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 186	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:17:00 - [184] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: CCP will lose with a respec No.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2228	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:20:00 - [185] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec How? Intelligence is OP
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 999	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:31:00 - [186] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: No. Yes!
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 291	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:52:00 - [187] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec How? Becquse player frustration drives people to buy aurm for skill bosters and low skill requirment suits and weapons, but i have said that and im being good. CCP could always try making money off novilty items such as perminate cammos, corp logo shoulder pads, and helmet variations, then they wouldnt have to worry about skill boster sails because i would by my entire corp a awsome cammo so we would look uniform.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 189	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:57:00 - [188] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec How? Becquse player frustration drives people to buy aurm for skill bosters and low skill requirment suits and weapons, but i have said that and im being good. CCP could always try making money off novilty items such as perminate cammos, corp logo shoulder pads, and helmet variations, then they wouldnt have to worry about skill boster sails because i would by my entire corp a awsome cammo so we would look uniform. CCP added skill booster sails???? Where are the skill booster ships???
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 291	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:00:00 - [189] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec How? Becquse player frustration drives people to buy aurm for skill bosters and low skill requirment suits and weapons, but i have said that and im being good. CCP could always try making money off novilty items such as perminate cammos, corp logo shoulder pads, and helmet variations, then they wouldnt have to worry about skill boster sails because i would by my entire corp a awsome cammo so we would look uniform. CCP added skill booster sails???? Where are the skill booster ships??? Over in pirates 101, quick hurry and go play it
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 660	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:26:00 - [190] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Sirys Lyons wrote: Bethhy wrote: Except when you invest into a Ferrari get plenty of use and admiration out of it. Walk into your garage one day and it's worth 120 grand less. Things change. doesn't mean you get to trade in said Ferrari for a new and better one. Except that everyone knows that cars depreciate. It is a known and expected downside of vehicle ownership that deals with resale value of a used item; not the item itself. Cars don't - suddenly - lose performance or change their abilities. And if they do - funnily enough - we call them broken. but eveyone knows suits will change skills based on CCPs balancing whims This is incorrect. Everyone assumes suits / weapons / vehicles / equipment etc will be strengthened, weakened or changed to keep balance but those changes are to be in line with the stated (read description) role of said equipment. You are also assuming that everyone that played, plays and will play the game loves and is immersed in EVE and comes on this forum to stay up to date. In your blind spot No Quid Pro Quo Line in the Sand

Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 291	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:39:00 - [191] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: This is incorrect. Everyone assumes suits / weapons / vehicles / equipment etc will be strengthened, weakened or changed to keep balance but those changes are to be in line with the stated (read description) role of said equipment. You are also assuming that everyone that played, plays and will play the game loves and is immersed in EVE and comes on this forum to stay up to date. The active scanner equipment says that the feedback of the scan will light the user up on the radar the same as the people who where just scanned, but unfortunatly that isent acurate. Also I dont get your argument on this case at all, what item in the game is changing drasticaly from its description? Is it the amarr logi whos getting an uplink bonus? because that is their racial equipment and who better to get an equipment bonus than the logi. Also to anyone who dosent keep up to date on the forums, will probialy be happy for any additions to the game, respecs or not. You know what they say about blissful ignorance
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 845	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:43:00 - [192] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10062	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:43:00 - [193] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec Like all the other times they lost? The sky was falling then too, but lo and behold, the sky seems to be doing just fine... Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 660	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:50:00 - [194] - Quote @Beck Weathers Blissful ignorance or just drop it entirely because they cant be bothered anymore. Same thing goes with your assumption that this will force people to buy AUR. Frustration and confusion probably turned off more people than spurring them to stick around and spend money. In your blind spot No Quid Pro Quo Line in the Sand
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1347	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:08:00 - [195] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. They already gave a SP refund to vehicle skills since then. Holding CCP to their word is a bad idea... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 292	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:12:00 - [196] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: @Beck Weathers Blissful ignorance or just drop it entirely because they cant be bothered anymore. Same thing goes with your assumption that this will force people to buy AUR. Frustration and confusion probably turned off more people than spurring them to stick around and spend money. But as a buisness they need to make money, i never said this was the best way to make money, but it IS how they have set themseves up to make it. I also said that they should expand into selling acessorys for aurm, and that I would buy some myself.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 17	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:16:00 - [197] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. These were posted before the vehicle respect correct? Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Chaos Scum Warcaste 17	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:17:00 - [198] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec Like all the other times they lost? The sky was falling then too, but lo and behold, the sky seems to be doing just fine... aren't you the one always crying about the skies being filled with red line railgun fire? Don't hate me because I'm dutiful.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 292	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:21:00 - [199] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. These were posted before the vehicle respect correct? "bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes." read his post again, the entire tank skill tree was reworked, hard to keep the SP for a skill that dosent exist anymore.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1060	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:28:00 - [200] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. the next stupidity medal made out of poop is here for you reading comprehension FTW, reset != respec/refund. see tanks SP refund last patch

Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 661	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:30:00 - [201] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Daxxis KANNAH wrote: @Beck Weathers Blissful ignorance or just drop it entirely because they cant be bothered anymore. Same thing goes with your assumption that this will force people to buy AUR. Frustration and confusion probably turned off more people than spurring them to stick around and spend money. But as a buisness they need to make money, i never said this was the best way to make money, but it IS how they have set themseves up to make it. I also said that they should expand into selling acessorys for aurm, and that I would buy some myself. Well they have set their model up like this. They must know only a certain type of person will continue to spend just to have more or another will spend to stay competitive because they have less time. I dont see how a respec when a shift like this happens changes any of that. This isnt a weapon is buffed or one suit is brought into line occurrence. You may not see the changes as significant but some people's entire playstyle may have to change if they are stuck in an existing suit. For the record I am against respecs but I am wholly in favour of them when changes like this happen. If your lore and model is based on living with decisions you have to make, then you cant change the events that made you make those decisions. You can but..... you lose all credibility. On other avenues to gain revenue. All have said similar and we all wait on stuff to give CCP our money but their content pipe only seems to drip. In your blind spot No Quid Pro Quo Line in the Sand
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10063	Posted - 2014.01.16 16:31:00 - [202] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: CCP cant lose with a respec CCP will lose with a respec Like all the other times they lost? The sky was falling then too, but lo and behold, the sky seems to be doing just fine... aren't you the one always crying about the skies being filled with red line railgun fire? Not sure what that has to do with a respec. And I only complain because of the redline, I actually enjoy flying through railgun fire because it's the mark of a good pilot to be able to survive in that **** while still getting work done. The redline is just a noob crutch that has no business existing, and is a primitive fix to a complex problem that doesn't actually fix anything. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Dropship Pilot
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 847	Posted - 2014.01.16 18:06:00 - [203] - Quote Chaos Scum wrote: Bethhy wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Bethhy wrote: We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. actually they did not said anything like that, they were pretty clear that it would be the last RESET and there would not be any more SP refunds unless something changes significantly. beside that they also said at EVE Vegas that they are thinking about SP refund options. reading comprehension ftw and your point is null and void. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/05/uprising-skill-point-re-spec-details/ "and no further resets will be available." There was numerous posts from the CCP community team informing the community after the next one time petition respecialization that it would be the last one offered from CCP bar any reimbursals for skill tree changes. I could find links all day of CCP saying there will be no more. you can give me? meh trolls be trollz. These were posted before the vehicle respect correct? They Deleted skills in the vehicle tree, then re structured it. They would have to go back into everyone's individual accounts and figure out how SP would be reallocated... it wouldn't make sense and isn't a basis of argument for everyone getting a respecialization... This is a completely different situations... Reimbursal's have always been in the history of CCP.
Bubba Brown Militaires Sans Jeux 225	Posted - 2014.01.17 07:29:00 - [204] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: So where was my assult rifle respec? They added two new rifles that compeeted with it, guess proto ARs stomped RRs for weeks... oh wait people including myself had new rifles proto and proficancy5 the first day. Yeah eh, too small of a change to be honest, but adding entirely new suits with different layouts and modules and such....
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:08:00 - [205] - Quote I see a few peeps here saying eve is a game were you have to live with your choices and that's true. But this is dust a console game and ccp keep making the changes. I run a heavy have done ever since closed beta and I love it tho iv always wanted to run a mini heavy. If we had all the full suit/vehicle/weapon/maps/skills we could make the informed choice and live with it without fear of ccp changing the game. Don't get me wrong I hate respect but you can't blame players wanting to when we don't have a complete game.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1060	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:46:00 - [206] - Quote steelRatt wrote: I see a few peeps here saying eve is a game were you have to live with your choices and that's true. actually that is not fully correct. you can buy any character at the character bazar for ISK if you are not happy with your current one. beside that, the SP gain in EVE is fully passive, you can increase the SP gain by a proper neural remap, get some implants, then stop playing for a month, play the latest next gen game in the meantime to experience something fresh and then get enough passive SP to get a new toy with decent amount of support skills in that new toy. try that in dust, you will only unluck a single proto weapon without the support skills and nothing else.
steelRatt L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2014.01.17 09:05:00 - [207] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: steelRatt wrote: I see a few peeps here saying eve is a game were you have to live with your choices and that's true. actually that is not fully correct. you can buy any character at the character bazar for ISK if you are not happy with your current one. So you can choose to buy a character if you don't like we're you spent you sp but not change your sp spent . And I love how sp is spent in eve it's a shame it's not like that in dust
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 333	Posted - 2014.01.17 10:59:00 - [208] - Quote due to all the bonus changes on the suits there must be a complete infantry respec. I only skilled into Amarr for that heat reduction bonus which will now go to the commando. With rifles like the RR out, theres no need for SCR,LR for me anymore. Once upon a time those where the only long range weapons, but guess what, once upon a time was once upon a time. The infantry game already has changed alot, and will change even more with 1.8, theres actually no reson NOT to give out a respec. another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1597	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:12:00 - [209] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: "living with your decisions" I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision] I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a Porsche. [this is not a decision] FTFY Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 82	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:14:00 - [210] - Quote respec plz Unofficial D.A.R.K.L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.



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