"living with your decisions"

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one.
I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house!
[this is a decision]

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin.
I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle.
[this is not a decision]

*Pins a gold dunce cap medal onto your uniform* You are now general of the forum trolls which make up the majority of the people upon these forusm, whom of which mostly agree with you.

and just incase you didn't get it, the people on the forums dont make up the majority of the player base, and even if they did dosent mean they know whats best for a game or for the developers, they just know whats best for themselves.

Logic is in the eye of the beholder bub, tho i do wonder if you need your eyes checked.

And i have yet to be presented with a reason why respecs are necisary, other than people crying they will quit if not given what they want.

PS: i love when people say someone cant be "reasoned with" if that person cant be forced into beliving their opinion. I never said you guys cant be reasoned with, even tho I continualy stick by my guns and you by yours. I think the one staying truly classy here is me.

I believe I presented a reason for a dropsuit skill refund (I'll use the more correct term). Twice. Your statement about how "People who skilled into proto" on the Amarr heavy "must have liked it" otherwise they could have just used the militia one demonstrates a lack of ability to understand it.

They liked *a* heavy suit. The only one. They like playing a heavy suit with heavy weapons. I'll repeat it, not the Amarr heavy, the only heavy, that was the suit they liked.

If they stuck with militia, well, it's still the Amarr heavy, and they would still have been waiting, gettting crushed every game in the gimped heavy suit for 1-2 years, no bonuses, no ability to spend SP on anything else because you can't fit better stuff on a militia suit.

So, they would have been playing this "MMO" with no ability to actually level up, for 2 years? No progression, no unlocking better items, just playing the basic mode over and over again. Sounds fun, please sign me up.

Do you actually believe that is a viable use of someones time? And, that it is the most appropriate way to approach a lack of basic content being included in a game that was billed as the "FPS in the EvE universe" with it's 4 competing factions that you could fight for on the ground and influence? (As opposed to say, well, I'll just use this placeholder for now until they release the racial suits and let me exchange it?)

If you really think that it is more reasonable for someone to use just the starter gear (in a game built around progression to better gear) and wait for over a year for what is baseline content - again, for the reading comprehension impaired, New Eden and the link between the 2 games is based on the premise of 4 warring factions - to be released, then no, you cannot be reasoned with. That's an idiotic basis for your argument.

stuff

you say 2 years allot, tho we got a full respec and refund less than one year ago. stop trying to make it sound far worse than it is.

And you miss understand, They liked the heavy, as in you make it sound like their entire SP investment is about to go up in smoke. but in reality its not, the SP will still be there, they will still be able to use it, and even if its no longer their favorit suit the option to use it in battle is still there.

But you know im actualy open minded unlike some of you, i have been convinced that refunding the Amarr heavy suit SP would cause very small damage to the game. So I really wouldn't mind if heavys only got a respec.

Fortunately I win either way. Il have close to 9 mill unallocated come 1.8 and I intend to keep what I've specced into already (proto gal/min, dropsuit core upgrades maxed, RR, MD, SL) . Either way I'll be getting my gal scout, cloaking and whatever other new shiniey things we get.

I've always been against respecs, but I think DS command could be refunded in light of such radical changes to the whole role system.

The only thing i dont have a clue about is how this is any diferant fome any change since uprising. Is your only argument that there is more change in one patch than before? If they put the flaylock nerf, heavy hp buffs the caldari logi nerf and added the new cammando suit all in one patch would that have warented a respec? But it was ok to not give respecs because it was spread out?

None of those changes actually involved the skill bonuses
I am still correct and apparently you still don't have a clue

"living with your decisions"

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one.
I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house!
[this is a decision]

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin.
I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle.
[this is not a decision]

How about I hold a SCP to your head. A infantry respec is inevitable learn to live with it.

LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs.

Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive....

+1 FOR respecs.

...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now.

That is harsh in a very, very different sense.

LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs.

Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive....

+1 FOR respecs.

You sir have absolutly no idea what you are talking aout. The caldari logi nerf DID change their skills

old - Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to shield extenders per level
current - Caldari Logistics: 5% bonus to shield regulators per level

not to mention a huge CPU nerf. So please quit embarising yourself by talking.

I will consent that but the heavy buff and flaylock nerf did not include skill bonus changes so you are at odds
Secondly, please tell me how it would be OK for CCP to do this:
Remove Scout Sidearm
Not refund Sidearm skills
or
Gallogi skill bonus now solely Active Scanner related
No refund of Equipment (especially if a gallogi did NOT spec into Active Scanner)
or
Amarr Assault no longer has heat bonus
No refund for Scrambler Rifle or Laser Rifle

How are any of those scenarios even remotely fair to a user who planned their SP around their suit yet changes to the suit would nullify the purpose/intent of SP investments? How the hell was anyone supposed to plan on the scout becoming a logistics suit or the Amarr Assault now pertaining only to Armor repair modules when someone invested around Armor Modules for laser weaponry because the Skill of today was the Skill of today. No one invests SP based on past bonuses so why should anyone have to invest SP gambling on future bonuses?

Lastly I can't take you very serious when you spell embarrassing wrong, it's ironic because people who can't spell yet continue to write....

LOL @ ''No at Respec'' scrubs.

Naturally dont know 5h!t about how to keep a gaming communtiy alive....

+1 FOR respecs.

Well I will conceed that IF they take away the scout sidearm they should get some sort of side arm respec. Tho you will be happy to know the CPM is heavy trying to convince them to take a granade slot or no slot at all.

I know I cant spell well. came to terms with it years ago back in college, i just stoped giving a hoot.

Respecs undo the most common incentive to log on: character progress.

From a designers standpoint; respecs are an absolute nightmare. Every time you issue a respec, you are sacrificing how much longer players are going to stick around to unlock new content.

A lot of people could do with learning that the best things in life are those you earn through invested effort. It would make the lives of the devs so much easier if they didn't have to constantly worry about respecs whenever they want to change something, I suspect.

...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now.

-1 for respecs

an SP refund isn't about keeping the community alive, if you make a poor decision that is your fault and have fun dealing with the consequences of your actions. SP refunds only should given be in the case that a skill, class, role, or tool, is altered to the point of deviation from it's original functionality or removed.

lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off.

Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU

I am aware of the debate
Don't simply ignore the other scenarios either, everything is changing
If I ran a Gallente Assault I would've specced into Hybrid weapon for the skill bonus and regenerative modules
But the Gallente Assault is losing it's Hybrid weapon Bonus
(so Hybrid weapon respec)
And it's bonus is now pertaining to Armor Plate Modules so I should get a module respec as well so I can incorporate the applicable modules n'est-ce pas?

And it goes on and on. This is not about flavor of the month, this is a one time deal because they are changing already existing skills, not just adding new ones. If the future scout is no longer appealing to me due to range nerf, I should be granted the right to be specced out of scout and all the modules I specced into specifically for the scout because CCP made a drastic change that would effect my overall suit desires.

CCP, please delete OP's account. I will bet my kids the community will be better off.