You see, the MAIN reason Im against respecs is because I don't belive it will be a "one time deal" they will likely change bonuses many times in the future, release new suits many times in the future, and generaly tweak the game as they see fit. When the nw heavy weapons come out, and CCP gave us a respec now, how willthey deny all heavys getting a compleete weapon respec? They will say that CCP caved for this patch and they will have no ground to stand on against them. Or what if they add 3 round to the plasma cannon per mag and take away its charge time, will fundimentaly change how its used, respec!

If CCP promises to never give a respec again no matter how much we beg (unless they remove skills) , i might be convinced, but I just dont see it starting once it starts.

But who would want to invest in something they did not want to invest in?

Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.

Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?

Yes give me my dreamed about perfect skill allocation for this next patch and all will be alright everything will be fixed.

Except when the next patch changes or when a whole new expansion comes out in 2.0 and that respec is even more useless because more shinny stuff will come out...

This is endless and has NEVER fixed an activity problem in any game but momentarily. you will get reimbursed for your dropsuit skills so you can reallocate and then enjoy a tripple SP event...

What more could you really want seriously without it being all about memememememe, my skills and pretending like you never got any use out of them, and now wanting to trade them in for a brand new pair of shoes

There are core mechanic issues persistent for 2 years and your trying to blame inactivity on not having the perfect skills or having to work to get some new ones. its sad.

That's the point: no one. If you issue respecs, that's exactly what happens: people invest them in what they fancy at the moment.

Things people fancy at the moment and character progress incentives go hand in hand. A respec simply means players can skip that much of the character progress. Then the next respec comes around: the player has moved on and wants to try the most appealing toy post change. Every time there is a respec, players can scratch one more goal's worth of content off the total list of content.

And for a content starved game like DUST... You see where I'm going...

A bit of suffering makes the tiniest accomplishment seem worthwhile, and it's time this community swapped its diapers for big boy pants.

Reimbursing the SP for a removed skill is reasonable. Respecs for simple balance changes is not.

"living with your decisions"

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one.
I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house!
[this is a decision]

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin.
I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle.
[this is not a decision]

"living with your decisions"

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one.
I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house!
[this is a decision]

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin.
I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle.
[this is not a decision]

I believe, due to the several obvious inaccuracies throughout this, that I am forced to reach the conclusion that we have, in our midst, a fully-formed and free-thinking troll. What does the rest of science have to say about it?

"living with your decisions"

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one.
I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house!
[this is a decision]

I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin.
I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle.
[this is not a decision]

Too true.

People who collect Ferraris or simply covet them from afar spend a lot of time trying to decide when a model of a certain age, like a decade-old 550 or 575 Maranello, has GÇ£hit bottomGÇ¥ in terms of depreciation. The idea is that once a car is fully depreciated it may soon begin to grow in value. It could also be a good value for bargain shoppers.

Except when you invest into a Ferrari get plenty of use and admiration out of it. Walk into your garage one day and it's worth 120 grand less.

Things change. doesn't mean you get to trade in said Ferrari for a new and better one.

Except that everyone knows that cars depreciate. It is a known and expected downside of vehicle ownership that deals with resale value of a used item; not the item itself.

Cars don't - suddenly - lose performance or change their abilities.

And if they do - funnily enough - we call them broken.

Except that everyone knows that cars depreciate. They don't - suddenly - lose performance or change their abilities.

And if they do - funnily enough - we call them broken.

So not only are you saying that people should be forced to locked into a suit/role that THEY did not spec into at the time but you are also saying that radically overhauling a suit is balancing rather than a new direction?

Also why do you base your argument off of future respecs? We are talking about when the changes hit, not every month. You can't have FOTM without monthly respecs.

Everyone knew suit's would change, weapons would be rebalanced, eventually the additional racial suits would get added with some kind of announcement and time to save up for it.

We where warned twice by CCP about being the last respec. Everyone has skills no longer relevant to the actual gameplay, one day they might be extremely useful and we will have already gotten them.

we can pretend we didn't get any use out of them and now they are equally as valuable as something we would trade them in for.. but it doesn't scan...

Please don't put words in my mouth.

I wrote that character progress was the most widespread incentive to logging in.
I argued that respecs undo the incentive to log in that character progress creates in exchange for a one time "log in binge".
I'm stating that an overhaul serves the higher purpose of balance, and that balance is an iterative process.
I'm reasoning that the removal of a skillbook warrants returning the SP invested in that skillbook.
I'm rebuting the opinion that a simple act of balancing merits a respec.

I'm ending our conversation on this topic here.

Have a nice day.

Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec.

Because you know there is no way to skill into a new suit nor guns without respecs.

Because you know there is no way to skill into a new suit nor guns without respecs.

That's not entirely true
I am saying there is no character completely designed for FOTM without monthly respecs. That was my bad I should have been a little more specific.
I can obviously spec into FOTM if I choose but it would require SP accumulation on my end. If there was a monthly respec I could invest my existing SP however I please and choose a FOTM. But since there will be no such thing as monthly respec, you don't have to worry about FOTM.

If CCP does an Infantry respec, people will spec into what they please and in any scenario with/without respec there will be uneven distribution but that is natural, just like there are more ants in the world than elephants. Things will be no different then when they introduced new weapons. People will spam new weapons for a while and it will be chaotic but then things will even out. And there was no respec for the new weapons either and the spam was like maximum. There's nothing preventing people from speccing into a new direction but a single respec is not going to direct the whole populace to one suit, one weapon, one fitting. It just won't happen even to a point of majority.

People have been playing since 2011 and waiting for X suit but never got it and had to work with substitutes. Now that X suit is coming out, I think it's fair that they be unshackled and go to what they've been waiting/planning for.

...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now.

...Meh you can keep a community alive by being insanely harsh on them.....look at Demon's Souls and Dark Souls...... people still playing those games even now.

What little credibility you may have had throughout this thread just died with what you just said.

Logic is in the eye of the beholder bub

Omg... i got one of you to present a reasonalble argument without spite or sarcasim, nor personal attacks agont my inteligance, my job is done here!

I do remind you that a unhealthy amount of people specked into caldari logi last respec, just saying, but you have still earned me shuting up

Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.

Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?

People that play EVE tell me they get one neural remap a year.

Why shouldn't we have the same?

People that play EVE tell me they get one neural remap a year.

Why shouldn't we have the same?