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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:57:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? Um you do relise they took away a ton of skills and completely reworked the skill tree, most the skills where in no way the same or no longer existed, there was no way they couldnt give a respec, the suit skill tree isent being re done or skills removed, just added to. Do you get it? some passive skills are being reworked AND removed. the scout class is totally different in 1.8, and more emphasis on assault suits. THATs a totally reworked ground class. I GUESS U BE STUPID
Im sorry where do you get your information, could you tell me exactly which skills are being "removed"? Because im pretty sure none are, no confimed changes have been made for scouts, most are still be debated with CCP and the CPM. Oh and the assults are all better off except maybe the amarr. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
12098
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:58:00 -
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As an Anti-respec proponent.
The logic and arguments for the potential content of 1.8 (if its even called that) is nearly outstanding to the point that by not having a respec for that patch would be totally irresponsible.
Remember I am still the guy that still slams his foot down at the mere notion of paying for a respec on plenty of reasons.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
2268
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Posted - 2014.01.15 05:59:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back.
That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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SGT NOVA STAR
Ahrendee Mercenaries
177
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:05:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back.
That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. im about to go WATTS on this fool fo real nigawh lol
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
2268
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:09:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back.
That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. im about to go WATTS on this fool fo real nigawh lol
lmao
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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xSir Campsalotx
G0DS AM0NG MEN Dark Taboo
82
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:10:00 -
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Agreed on respec, the Amarr Assualt will get a huge nerf not to mention the sentinel suits will actually have a good bonus, I went proto basic to run 2 damage mods but now the bonus is worthwhile enough to spend the 2.7 million |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
272
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:12:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back.
That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what.
Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
2269
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:17:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back.
That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm.
drama kings ftw
I don't even see your correlation with my post. I say there is no harm in getting a respec and you drop to the floor and start talking about...I don't even know what you're talking about.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
272
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:21:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back.
That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm. drama kings ftw I don't even see your correlation with my post. I say there is no harm in getting a respec and you drop to the floor and start talking about...I don't even know what you're talking about.
Its more along the lines that your to dense to see the harm respecs actualy do. Even tho ISW disagrees with me on this respec he could tell you allll about how they harmful. |
Tch Tch
Red Shirts Away Team
124
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:22:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back.
That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm.
Dust SP grind is a long term investment. If the skill then changes drastically you can either allow people to flex with the changing rules of the universe or lock them into a now defunct path.
Adapt, overcome thrive.
If in a game the rule system changes you can choose to allow players to adapt with the changes. If not you can expect a backlash including a loss of player base.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
2269
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:24:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back.
That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm. drama kings ftw I don't even see your correlation with my post. I say there is no harm in getting a respec and you drop to the floor and start talking about...I don't even know what you're talking about. Its more along the lines that your to dense to see the harm respecs actualy do. Even tho ISW disagrees with me on this respec he could tell you allll about how they harmful.
what is the harm? Because people will spec into FOTM weapons and gear? Do you think by not having a respec...that they won't spec into it anyway?
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Bojo The Mighty
L.O.T.I.S.
2700
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:29:00 -
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Orignal Poster you have no clue
I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina.
It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one.
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
272
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:39:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Orignal Poster you have no clue
I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina.
It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one.
The only thing i dont have a clue about is how this is any diferant fome any change since uprising. Is your only argument that there is more change in one patch than before? If they put the flaylock nerf, heavy hp buffs the caldari logi nerf and added the new cammando suit all in one patch would that have warented a respec? But it was ok to not give respecs because it was spread out?
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Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
1030
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:46:00 -
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I have always been against a respec...ever, but let's face it. When all of the racial suits and vehicles are out (the complete game), respecs will be required.
Give people their respecs one final time when ALL of the content is made available. It would only be fair tbh.
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It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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Lucrezia LeGrand
211
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:19:00 -
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welp, I had a busy night. "liked" almost everyone's post on why we SHOULD get a respec. Really, OP, at this point, what harm would a respec do you? I'm sure you have a few SP poured in some skill that you regret. If a respec happens (and at this point I don't see why not) why look a gift horse in the mouth (did I say that right?)?
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1340
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:21:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Orignal Poster you have no clue
I have spent SP building my character around a single design philosophy that is epitomized by the gallente scout. However, they are planning to radically change the gallente scout (interchangeable for any suit really) and it will absolutely destroy the harmonization of my specialization if I do not get a full respec. I will be left with skills that prove irrelevant to the suit and even if just my dropsuit sp was unallocated I would still be boned because range amplification would not apply in the same manner nor would profile dampening and precision or speed and stamina.
It would be foolish not to give respecs with such a proposed content dump. They will give one. The only thing i dont have a clue about is how this is any diferant fome any change since uprising. Is your only argument that there is more change in one patch than before? If they put the flaylock nerf, heavy hp buffs the caldari logi nerf and added the new cammando suit all in one patch would that have warented a respec? But it was ok to not give respecs because it was spread out? Nerfs =/= Role change.
Flaylock nerf Callogi nerf Heavy buff TAC nerf LAV nerf None of those nerfs/buffs changed the way that item is used or its intended role on the battlefield. They were meant for balancing.
Commando suit added This was a completely new role that no one was expecting, therefore nobody was saving up SP for it, or specced into something else because it wasn't you yet. That is what makes this different from all the soon to be Caldari/Amarr Scouts and Heavies.
A list of suits that are getting their role changed:
Assault: Amarr. Laser Heat Specialist > Self Prepping Assault The others are getting changed as well, but the Amarr Assault change is the most appalling of them. That suit's bonus is currently the only skill that has that effect, and they are getting rid of that.
Logistics: Amarr. Fronlines Medic > Uplink Mule Caldari. Combat Logi > Ammo Mule Gallente. Equipment Specialist > Walking Radar Dish Minmatar. Speed Hacker > Chubby Chaser
Scout: Possibly All
Sentinel: Possibly All
Commando: Possibly All
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
275
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:38:00 -
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Fizzer94
1- none of the logis roles are being change beside your perception of what those roles where. The amarr logi still has a side arm and who dosent like better uplinks. Even the mimatar logi can still fit a code breaker and hack hella fast.
2- as you said people had no time to save for the camando, yet now people have plenty of time to save and a sp event to help, so by your logic no respec is needed because we have time to save.
3- amarr assult bonus change is something i dont agree with so i would rather fight to keep it then give out a respec.
4-Nerfs usualy have a huge impact on how an item or suit is used, and new suit bonuses can likewise be called balancibg so nerfs do = skill change. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1515
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:48:00 -
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There is a big difference between altering the stats of a weapon or dropsuit, and altering the core fundamentals of how they are designed to operate. In addition, there were gaping holes in the content which are hopefully being filled in 1.8.
Tell me, should someone who wanted to be a Caldari heavy from the start simply have spend not SP on dropsuits for the last year? Or do you fully expect them to waste SP on a suit type they have no interest in using? I'd really like your answer to this question.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1340
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Posted - 2014.01.15 07:53:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Fizzer94
1- none of the logis roles are being change beside your perception of what those roles where. The amarr logi still has a side are and who dosent like better uplinks. Even the mimatar logi can still fit a code breaker and hack hella fast.
2- as you said people had no time to save for the camando, yet now people have plenty of time to save and a sp event to help, so by your logi no resoec is needed because we have time to save.
3- amarr assult bonus change is something i dont agree with so i would rather fight to keep it then give out a respec.
4-Nerfs usualy have a huge impact on how an item or suit is used, and new suit bonuses can likewise be called balancibg so nerfs do = skill change.
1- as an Amarr Logi, I don't like better uplinks... I hate using uplinks at all for that matter, too boring. I did NOT spec into this suit to use uplinks, I specced I to it because: A) Logi Bonus of 5hp/s (I can live without this, as I think the new one is more fitting) B) Enough Equipment slots for Reppers, Scanners/Hives, and Injectors C) Racial Bonus that allowed me to get the most out of Reppers, enabling me to get back to logiing faster. D) Sidearm Slot, because Scrambler Pistols
2- Expecting people to save SP for an unknown amount of time is unreasonable, they deserve a respec.
3-
4- yes, nerfs have an impact on the effectiveness of items, but usually not the manner in which they are used. All of those items are still used in the same way, but not with the same effectiveness as before.
Yours Truly,
Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1424
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:00:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off.
Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU
And i specced the Amarr suit to get the SCR heat reduction and now its replaced with a bonus to armor repper modules and i NEVER ever use them, my suit bonus just became completely useless as any other suit would be better then using a suit without the module it enhances.
Your logic makes no sense.
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
275
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:18:00 -
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Quote: 4- yes, nerfs have an impact on the effectiveness of items, but usually not the manner in which they are used. All of those items are still used in the same way, but not with the same effectiveness as before.
Thats the point! All the suits role changes dont change anything, they can all be used the same way as before but not the same effectiveness. So the amarr logi gets an uplink bonus and you hate uplinks, well dont use them! The suit will function the same but trading 5hps for drasticaly easyer to fit equipment. It all just comes down to if you precive this as a buff or a nerf. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1051
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:29:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? another under average tunnelvision scrub that does not know the meaning of "decision" |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
276
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:39:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? another under average tunnelvision scrub that does not know the meaning of "decision"
Oh look another brainwashed Ivyleage puppet, that wants a reset button every time theres change. |
Marad''er
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
310
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:47:00 -
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Respecs are coming for sure. Even CCP isn't dumb enough to not give them out when all this drops.
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
998
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:52:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:There is a world of a difference between "Respecs On Demand" and "Respecs Due to Overhaul". Eve Online has consistently given SP refunds for skills that have been affected during the past decade. For skills that have been removed... Don't come here trying to muddy the waters with your pro-respec agenda. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1051
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:12:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? another under average tunnelvision scrub that does not know the meaning of "decision" Oh look another brainwashed Ivyleage puppet, that wants a reset button every time theres change.
"puppet"
the puppet has enough isk in both EVE and Dust to buy you and your whole alliance
also you do not get the point and that is why you are a scrub. I will explain it to you ONCE and it is up to you to take your face out of your a$$ and free yourself from the tunnelvision you suffer and get better in the end: 1. balance changes => fine 2. new content you have to work for => fine 3. core mechanic changes almost every patch which devalue decisions and remove certain playstyles => not fine |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
998
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:24:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:"puppet" the puppet has enough isk in both EVE and Dust to buy you and your whole alliance also you do not get the point and that is why you are a scrub. I will explain it to you ONCE and it is up to you to take your face out of your a$$ and free yourself from the tunnelvision you suffer and get better in the end: 1. balance changes => fine 2. new content you have to work for => fine 3. core mechanic changes almost every patch which devalue decisions and remove certain playstyles => not fine As someone who has enough ISK to buy _YOU_, stop being a puppet. |
jin foxdale
Jedi Slime.
156
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:49:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Jack McReady wrote:"puppet" the puppet has enough isk in both EVE and Dust to buy you and your whole alliance also you do not get the point and that is why you are a scrub. I will explain it to you ONCE and it is up to you to take your face out of your a$$ and free yourself from the tunnelvision you suffer and get better in the end: 1. balance changes => fine 2. new content you have to work for => fine 3. core mechanic changes almost every patch which devalue decisions and remove certain playstyles => not fine As someone who has enough ISK to buy _YOU_, stop being a puppet.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
459
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:54:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:these people specced into what the description said, SIMPLE. IF the description changes for said skill, refund in order, SIMPLE. Tankers skills changed = respec happen, SIMPLE. DO YOU GET IT BRO? Um you do relise they took away a ton of skills and completely reworked the skill tree, most the skills where in no way the same or no longer existed, there was no way they couldnt give a respec, the suit skill tree isent being re done or skills removed, just added to. Do you get it? Do you not think that changing every single bonus the current skills give is so much different? In fact the complete Dropsuit skilltree gets a rework. There is not a single bonus that stays the same. This change will hurt low SP players the most someone with 30 mill will most probably have already all relevant skills so he won't be affected as much but even this is not fore sure. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
998
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Posted - 2014.01.15 10:57:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Do you not think that changing every single bonus the current skills give is so much different? In fact the complete Dropsuit skilltree gets a rework. There is not a single bonus that stays the same. This change will hurt low SP players the most someone with 30 mill will most probably have already all relevant skills so he won't be affected as much but even this is not fore sure. So why wasn't any SP refunded when the nano-nerf hit? |
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