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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1052
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:07:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Jack McReady wrote:"puppet" the puppet has enough isk in both EVE and Dust to buy you and your whole alliance also you do not get the point and that is why you are a scrub. I will explain it to you ONCE and it is up to you to take your face out of your a$$ and free yourself from the tunnelvision you suffer and get better in the end: 1. balance changes => fine 2. new content you have to work for => fine 3. core mechanic changes almost every patch which devalue decisions and remove certain playstyles => not fine As someone who has enough ISK to buy _YOU_, stop being a puppet. cool story bro |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
998
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:14:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:cool story bro My e-peen is bigger than your e-peen. |
The Terminator T-1000
The Praetorian Legionary
64
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:18:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?
I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
998
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:44:00 -
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The Terminator T-1000 wrote:I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
2218
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:47:00 -
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EVE = Living with your decisions because they dont change much for years
DUST = Living with your decisions for about 1 month max until they completely change your role/playstyle and nerf it into the ground for the next 6months
Yea respec will happen, too much is changing and your desicions mean jack ****
Intelligence is OP
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
956
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:48:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Skilling into a speed hacker, and getting it replaced with a chubby chaser is not "living with your decision". SO, in night 6's terminology, that would be....
You buy a ferrari, overnight it turns into a mini-van.
Yeah... that's not "living with your decisions".
Buff passive scans & fix TTK!
My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3483
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Posted - 2014.01.15 11:49:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:lol you guys crying over you "now useless suits" make me smile, no suit sudenly became useless, logis can still logi, you can still fit your gal logi with a super scanner and a Rail rifle and go slayer mode. And the assults are all pretty much way better off.
Also the inmatar logi will still be the fastest logi and can still fit a ton of code breakers and be used as a fast hacker HTFU LMAO aren't you the one who came here b!tching about people wanting a respec because their being held to a decision that they didn't make,
I got a special message for you buddy.
Creator of The AV Registry
The Pilot's Whipin' Boy // DJINN Lukeoplast's alleged sock
Have I won the Forums Yet?
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
517
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:05:00 -
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1.7 gave a vehicle respec (refund, if you prefer), so why not Infantry? You know, the majority of players? |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1055
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:14:00 -
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I would not try to argue with the OP. he is a scrub in both EVE and Dust.
you can tell that by the fact that the compares Dust to EVE. EVE a player driven game vs a F2P unfinished lobby shooter.
if he would play EVE he would also know that in EVE all SP is passive and you dont have to play actively to get into something new in a reasonable timefrime. you can actually stop playing for 1 or 2 months, do something else in the meantime and only log in from time to time to set up skill training and then come back with access to a new toy that is almost maxed out. or he would know that you can buy characters in the market bazar. |
The Terminator T-1000
The Praetorian Legionary
65
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:16:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:The Terminator T-1000 wrote:I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them.
If I cant spend my SP why even play? |
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Paran Tadec
The Hetairoi
1902
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:28:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?
how to be an out of touch douchebag.
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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Paran Tadec
The Hetairoi
1902
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:41:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:SGT NOVA STAR wrote:ps: and why the hell do you care so much? if your happy with your scout then put the points back.
That's something that I'm trying to understand. It's not going to hurt you if you get the respec....it can only help you. I really don't see why people are afraid of respecs. If something is FOTM, people will spec into it no matter what. Omg your right, why dosent ccp just get rid of skill points and just give every one max lvl suits and equipment, make the game only centered around making amd losing isk, hay we could even unlock gun attachments for every1000 kills we get with that weapon / end sarcasm. drama kings ftw I don't even see your correlation with my post. I say there is no harm in getting a respec and you drop to the floor and start talking about...I don't even know what you're talking about. Its more along the lines that your to dense to see the harm respecs actualy do. Even tho ISW disagrees with me on this respec he could tell you allll about how they harmful.
"you're too"
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
428
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:50:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?
I would say the same of you!
Adapt or Die, repecs are inc.
Nuff Said
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
998
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:50:00 -
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Paran Tadec wrote:"you're too" "you are to" |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
1591
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:51:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:
Its more along the lines that your to dense to see the harm respecs actualy do. Even tho ISW disagrees with me on this respec he could tell you allll about how they harmful.
What a terrible defense of your argument. "He doesn't agree but will tell you why I'm right"
I have yet to see any reasonable argument as to why not getting to choose the suit you wanted because it didn't exist is the players fault. (The 2 weapons that came out are not the same thing, that's not nearly the SP sink dropsuits are)
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
Forum Warrior lv.1
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Buwaro Draemon
FACTION WARFARE ARMY
102
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:00:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?
Well. You seem to forget that our borther's in heavy armor have been wishing to get their hands in these new heavy suits for a very long time now. It's not fair making them wait even longer just because they want that new heavy suit they have been waiting for around a year now. |
Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
533
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:02:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released? Scouts and heavies deserve a respec when all suits come out
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
998
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:21:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:I have yet to see any reasonable argument as to why not getting to choose the suit you wanted because it didn't exist is the players fault. (The 2 weapons that came out are not the same thing, that's not nearly the SP sink dropsuits are) But how could they choose something that didn't exist?
That would be like me buying a Tesla Model S and then demanding it be replaced with a Model X when it gets released. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
10019
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:49:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:The Terminator T-1000 wrote:I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them. ::facepalm::
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
998
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:52:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Rasatsu wrote:The Terminator T-1000 wrote:I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them. ::facepalm:: It's how the respec arguments sound like, so I figured going down to their level of thinking would work... |
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
273
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:00:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?
It's not about FoTM or other. The core of the game have changed. Almost all racial skills is changed and the modules you used WITH is no more useful or benefit. That's not OUR fault and that's not OUR decision. Example : I used Repair modules ONLY because my racial bonus is based on. Now it's absolutely NOT my racial bonus. Why i should have waisted 600k SP for something i will never use again ? I mean if i knew it was going to change recently then OKAY. But actually not. We're not talking about something that going to be nerf or something like that we're talking about MAJOR changement. Second point : We're talking about racial line-up. Heavy players maybe NEVER wanted to be amarr. Why you want them to have waisted over 6 million SP ??? They didn't had the choice. Same for scouts same for commandos. And same for assault. Amarr assault was used to be an "Laser expert" now it's the same than other AND they receive some ****** bonus they will NEVER use by lack of modules. That's not their fault neither. How could they knew their bonus was goigng to change when they put 3-4 million Sp in ?
Your logic can be applied for a SINGLE nerf or nothing more than 3-4 partial changements. When the core and the mechanics of the game is changed your logic is STUPID. |
OZAROW
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
1231
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:06:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:"living with your decisions"
I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one. I now can't afford my mortgage and they foreclosed my house! [this is a decision]
I want a Ferrari, i'll go buy one that I can afford because I made a fortune with bitcoin. I walked into my garage this morning to admire my Ferrari, but alas it is now a tricycle. [this is not a decision] Hence if they turn my scout into a baby logi, an yank my side arm then give me back my suit an weapon sp so I can build it right, I have 4 side arms at pro 4/5 why would I need that sp wasted, do logis skill 4 sidearms? I think not, drastic changes change your whole build an game style, this needs compensation
SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1057
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:08:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Rasatsu wrote:The Terminator T-1000 wrote:I can live with MY decisions, but when CCP changes things, those are NOT my decisions anymore! It's been known since beta that the other suits would be added and changes made to the stats of those we already had, so it was YOUR decision to spend the SP knowing this instead of saving them. ::facepalm:: It's how my "arguments" sound like, so I figured going down even lower level of thinking would work... fixed, you are just too dense to accept facts even presented on a silver plate just like the rest of the tunnelvision scrubs. chances are you are also a tank driver, which would explain alot |
Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
139
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:20:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Heck im not even sure you are considering it, but IF YOU ARE, stop, don't pander to these cry babys. I have quite a bit of skills in mimatar scout yet havent really used it since the hit detection fix where speed tanking became a thing of the past. EvE is about living with your decisions, and honestly giving people respecs for uprising rather than doing a hard reset was probialy one of your greatest mistakes, Don't make that mistake again, dont let these losers who can't adapt skill into the next FotM. While suit skills may change and stats may change the skill tree is staying the same, and like all past new guns they will just have to skill into new things the same way as everyone else.
Of course the biggest question is, when would they even do it? because you all know its not all going to be released in 1.8 its liekly going to be released over 1.8 - 2, the new suits guns and skills, so at what point would they give you your so wanted respec? 2.0 after its all out? once ever expantion a new suit is released?
You mean like the skill tree "stayed the same" for vehicles with the 1.7 update?
Honestly I've seen nothing but idiot arguments from all you "no respec"-proponents... |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
998
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:21:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:fixed, you are just too dense to accept facts even presented on a silver plate just like the rest of the tunnelvision scrubs. chances are you are also a tank driver, which would explain alot I was a tank driver and I heavily advocated no respecs, which as you said would explain a lot. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
282
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:48:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote: It's not about FoTM or other. The core of the game have changed. Almost all racial skills is changed and the modules you used WITH is no more useful or benefit. That's not OUR fault and that's not OUR decision. Example : I used Repair modules ONLY because my racial bonus is based on. Now it's absolutely NOT my racial bonus. Why i should have waisted 600k SP for something i will never use again ? I mean if i knew it was going to change recently then OKAY. But actually not. We're not talking about something that going to be nerf or something like that we're talking about MAJOR changement. Second point : We're talking about racial line-up. Heavy players maybe NEVER wanted to be amarr. Why you want them to have waisted over 6 million SP ??? They didn't had the choice. Same for scouts same for commandos. And same for assault. Amarr assault was used to be an "Laser expert" now it's the same than other AND they receive some ****** bonus they will NEVER use by lack of modules. That's not their fault neither. How could they knew their bonus was goigng to change when they put 3-4 million Sp in ?
Your logic can be applied for a SINGLE nerf or nothing more than 3-4 partial changements. When the core and the mechanics of the game is changed your logic is STUPID.
Quick question then, If the So called "Core" of the game is going to change (which I agree it is) How will you know what you want to skill into the day after the respec? Im 100% serious, you can hardly tell me you can precive all the under lying implications all the changes will have on the game. You say the suit skills on your suit will be useless, so you want another racial suit, but say due to some small tweak to some stats and moduals, the new suit with Amazing bonuses you just skilled into becomes the largest peice of trash in the game. Do you demand another respec then? what if you find out the suit you had before even with terible bonuses ends up just being good because of slot layout and fitting?
I agree 100% that a respec would be amazing, but I still stand strongly by that respecs are slipery slopes, and I honestly dont belive most players will test out diferant suits before dumping all their skills into something proto they dont know much about. I could probialy conceed to have a respec a few months after they release all the suits, but CCP arnt great future insight planners. |
Atheor Sindromer
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
14
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:05:00 -
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I am for a respec because I always wanted a Minmatar racial rifle (Combat Rifle), but since the only racial rifle was the Assault Rifle for Gallente I skilled into that as much as I could until, lo and behold, months later they're releasing the rifles that should've been up for grabs since the 'beginning'. I have millions of SP invested in the Assault Rifle because there simply wasn't a Minmatar racial rifle and I didn't really like using the Scrambler Rifle since it's the weapon of my race's enemy.
What? Are you gonna tell me I should've just held onto all of my SP for all those months simply because the CR wasn't developed yet?
You can whine about getting respecs all you want. I don't give a **** because the fact of the matter is that I don't really care if we get one or not, even though I wouldn't complain if we did. But whining about being AGAINST a respec just because you feel 'losers' don't deserve it?
Go **** yourself.
Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.
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Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1034
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:22:00 -
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In all honesty, the more attention this thread gets, the more the Devs are inclined to read it. The more they read it, the more obvious (by reply standards) that the community is not only intrigued by a possible respec, but approves of it for obvious reasons. So, in essence, OP is helping campaign for respecs, albeit untentionally. This thread is more counterproductive to his efforts anyway, so keep it bumped up.
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
829
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:53:00 -
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respec's and that word should be thrown out of the DUST vocab.
Reimbursal's are the max you can expect from CCP ever again. Respec's are gone and your gonna have to get over it.
This is for the better and you have been warned twice by CCP. |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
564
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:58:00 -
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Easy solution,if CCP offers a respec and you don't want it,don't take it,and don't cry if other people do take one.Simple as that.
If giving respecs means keeping the remaining minuscule playerbase that we already have from walking away from the game,how is that a bad thing?
In the condition that the game is in with regard of the low player count,it boggles my mind how anyone can argue against a respec if CCP decides to offer one. |
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