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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.01.15 04:07:00 -
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Not a big fan of respecs but it's really hard to argue against refunding the SP from the dropsuit skill tree. I mean, you can't hold people to a decision they didn't get to make.
I mean, if I want to run a scout, I don't want some Gallente strippersuit on me, nor filthy Matari duct-tape-based technology either, but I wasn't given the choice! Those are the only scouts available.
There's no FOTM involved here, my Amarr scout didn't get nerfed and now I'm whining about it on the forums. It didn't exist so I didn't get to make a choice to live with later.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:51:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:
Its more along the lines that your to dense to see the harm respecs actualy do. Even tho ISW disagrees with me on this respec he could tell you allll about how they harmful.
What a terrible defense of your argument. "He doesn't agree but will tell you why I'm right" 
I have yet to see any reasonable argument as to why not getting to choose the suit you wanted because it didn't exist is the players fault. (The 2 weapons that came out are not the same thing, that's not nearly the SP sink dropsuits are)
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.01.15 18:02:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Quick question then, If the So called "Core" of the game is going to change (which I agree it is) How will you know what you want to skill into the day after the respec? Im 100% serious, you can hardly tell me you can precive all the under lying implications all the changes will have on the game.
You will if you are interested in a particular race, as a much larger group of us than you apparently think are. Otherwise no, but that's hardly the point.
Quote:You say the suit skills on your suit will be useless, so you want another racial suit, but say due to some small tweak to some stats and moduals, the new suit with Amazing bonuses you just skilled into becomes the largest peice of trash in the game. Do you demand another respec then? what if you find out the suit you had before even with terible bonuses ends up just being good because of slot layout and fitting?
I'm not so much in favor of this particular reason for a dropsuit tree respec myself but it's a moot point because I think one is warranted anyway. But to answer your question, no, I at least wouldn't ask for a respec at that time because I was able to make an informed decision with racial parity available to me and thus I should be expected to live with it.
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I honestly dont belive most players will test out diferant suits before dumping all their skills into something proto they dont know much about.
They should, but idgaf if they test out the suits or not. If they have been dying for a minmatar heavy for 2 years, let them have it. If they want to spec into some perceived FOTM based on some BS theorycrafting, that's their business and buyer beware. No respecs for future nerfs or shortsightedness.
Quote:I could probialy conceed to have a respec a few months after they release all the suits, but CCP arnt great future insight planners.
You completely lost me here. Why the hell would you support a respec 3 months after all the racial suits come out, but not right when they do? That makes no sense at all. In fact, that's an even worse time because by then some FOTM(s) will emerge and there's an even bigger potential for the abuse of a respec.
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.01.15 22:06:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
Says the person who vehemently fights against logic and reason
Classy
Logic is in the eye of the beholder bub, tho i do wonder if you need your eyes checked. And i have yet to be presented with a reason why respecs are necisary, other than people crying they will quit if not given what they want. PS: i love when people say someone cant be "reasoned with" if that person cant be forced into beliving their opinion. I never said you guys cant be reasoned with, even tho I continualy stick by my guns and you by yours. I think the one staying truly classy here is me. 
I believe I presented a reason for a dropsuit skill refund (I'll use the more correct term). Twice. Your statement about how "People who skilled into proto" on the Amarr heavy "must have liked it" otherwise they could have just used the militia one demonstrates a lack of ability to understand it.
They liked *a* heavy suit. The only one. They like playing a heavy suit with heavy weapons. I'll repeat it, not the Amarr heavy, the only heavy, that was the suit they liked.
If they stuck with militia, well, it's still the Amarr heavy, and they would still have been waiting, gettting crushed every game in the gimped heavy suit for 1-2 years, no bonuses, no ability to spend SP on anything else because you can't fit better stuff on a militia suit.
So, they would have been playing this "MMO" with no ability to actually level up, for 2 years? No progression, no unlocking better items, just playing the basic mode over and over again. Sounds fun, please sign me up.
Do you actually believe that is a viable use of someones time? And, that it is the most appropriate way to approach a lack of basic content being included in a game that was billed as the "FPS in the EvE universe" with it's 4 competing factions that you could fight for on the ground and influence? (As opposed to say, well, I'll just use this placeholder for now until they release the racial suits and let me exchange it?)
If you really think that it is more reasonable for someone to use just the starter gear (in a game built around progression to better gear) and wait for over a year for what is baseline content - again, for the reading comprehension impaired, New Eden and the link between the 2 games is based on the premise of 4 warring factions - to be released, then no, you cannot be reasoned with. That's an idiotic basis for your argument.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.01.15 22:19:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:John Demonsbane wrote: stuff you say 2 years allot, tho we got a full respec and refund less than one year ago. stop trying to make it sound far worse than it is. And you miss understand, They liked the heavy, as in you make it sound like their entire SP investment is about to go up in smoke. but in reality its not, the SP will still be there, they will still be able to use it, and even if its no longer their favorit suit the option to use it in battle is still there. But you know im actualy open minded unlike some of you, i have been convinced that refunding the Amarr heavy suit SP would cause very small damage to the game. So I really wouldn't mind if heavys only got a respec.
Good to see you are open to reason. Don't forget scouts, they only had 2 variants.
(p.s. It doesn't matter how many respecs there were in the past 2 years, there's still only 1 heavy suit)
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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John Demonsbane
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Posted - 2014.01.16 12:23:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:
Again, it's not FOTM if there is no monthly respec.
Because you know there is no way to skill into a new suit nor guns without respecs. That's not entirely true I am saying there is no character completely designed for FOTM without monthly respecs. That was my bad I should have been a little more specific. I can obviously spec into FOTM if I choose but it would require SP accumulation on my end. If there was a monthly respec I could invest my existing SP however I please and choose a FOTM. But since there will be no such thing as monthly respec, you don't have to worry about FOTM. If CCP does an Infantry respec, people will spec into what they please and in any scenario with/without respec there will be uneven distribution but that is natural, just like there are more ants in the world than elephants. Things will be no different then when they introduced new weapons. People will spam new weapons for a while and it will be chaotic but then things will even out. And there was no respec for the new weapons either and the spam was like maximum. There's nothing preventing people from speccing into a new direction but a single respec is not going to direct the whole populace to one suit, one weapon, one fitting. It just won't happen even to a point of majority. People have been playing since 2011 and waiting for X suit but never got it and had to work with substitutes. Now that X suit is coming out, I think it's fair that they be unshackled and go to what they've been waiting/planning for. Omg... i got one of you to present a reasonalble argument without spite or sarcasim, nor personal attacks agont my inteligance, my job is done here! I do remind you that a unhealthy amount of people specked into caldari logi last respec, just saying, but you have still earned me shuting up
Wait... All I had to do to shut you up was take the sarcasm out of my post? Damn, I wish I had known that before.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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