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devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 39	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:28:00 - [1] - Quote This thread shall be used to publicly aknowledge the scions of no skill so that others might be aware of their actions, transgressions, and take appropriate action to either avoid or kill such members. Please be aware that all these groups commonly run with plentiful numbers of nanite injectors and that should you choose to engage them, it is recommended that you not only kill them, but make sure their non revivabke by headshotting them, blowing them to bits, or shooting their body after its down. I reccomend this to such an extent that you ignore their other near. Ye players to insure their 200k suit stays dead. The best tactics for handling these corporations is to use a cheap disposable suit armed with remote explosives. With the exception of certain heavy builds, no proto suit can survive a remote, and they do not need to be double tapped. I personally reccomend a militia scout shotgunner build. Dampeners are useless as they regularly have at least one proto scanner available. I encourage players to not associate with these players as they ruin the game and abuse the match making system. I have marked some as deserving of faction warfare team killing due to the unrepentant and abusive actions, and that perhaps some repercussions for said actions will at least give them pause before steam rolling some newberries and those less skilled/experienced. Nyan San/chan: Well known proto stompers from japan. This corp is rarely found as an individual and is often squaded with a full squad of other proto sompers, usually from their own corp though known to squad and que syn with other known proto stomp corps. They are fond of using proto tanks with proto logo suit drivers who will hop out to repair their vehicle, allowing them to have more hardeners and damage mods then most proto tankers. They rarely role rail gun tanks but will often bring 3-4 proto blaster tanks to the field. When not using tank squads they will use the ,latest FoTM weapon, at this current time proto rail rifles, usually assault. Several of their members will also use core locus grenade spam so avoid bunching in groups, and remember that their blast radius is larger then other locus grenades. They are also well known users of the equipment lag glitch, however the recent patch seems to have fixed this to an extent. They will also commonly use cheap locations such as the mushroom top, or other unassaultable locations if the situation warrants. Most commonly found in ambush. Their actions warrant FW killing in my opinion Molon labe: Another proto group, currently quite fond of rolling squads of proto tanks, all blaster as observed thus far. Not to be under estimated out of their tanks, and often found squaring with or que syncing with other proto corps, including nyan. They also have several associated groups that occasionally role with them, however rest assured if you see at least 3 of these members, they are most likely in a squad of 6, from composed of lesser known allied corps or other proto corps, and most likely all running proto gear. They will also use mlt tanks once any possible enemy tank threat has been neutralized, so if you want to hurt them the worst, kill their initial tanks if you can. They are also known to utilize assault dropships and it is not uncommon for them to field 2 or more if they do. Found in ambush and doms. Also warrants faction warfare team killing. Ancient exiles: not as commonly found as the first two, squads and que syncing squads are still a regular occurance, and often consists of at least 1-2 tanks. Little other Intel is known of their tactics and associations with other corps, however they still pose a threat when found in public matches Sver True blood: A large corp with many members, not all of whome proto stomp, however when found In A full squad of their own it is more or less gaurenteed to consist of all proto players. When found they do not utilize tanks as much as the others, however that does not mean they will not do so. Their corps proto players seem quite fond of HMGs and it is not uncommon to find 2 or more protons backed by logo support. There are many many other corps in addition to these who engage in such actions, however these are the more common offenders. Other offending parties include (Place holder) I would offer isk bounties on these players however such is outside my budget at this time, if any body wishes to discuss become patron for such bounties however please message me in game. I will continue to update this as tactics, corps, and other information becomes available, and encourage players tobrag by provideing kill screens, information, and other such details pertaining to proto stompers.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 39	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:29:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 768	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:30:00 - [3] - Quote U mad bro? That's "MR." Pothead to you.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 39	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:33:00 - [4] - Quote Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 768	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:35:00 - [5] - Quote the proto stomping nyans only do ambush and dom, so simply play scrim :P melon lube arnt very good with the exception of their PC team wich also only plays ambush and dom so play scrim ancient exiles dont have any glitches to exploit so they currently arnt a problem STB was never all that great to begin with so i dont understand why people think they are... they hold districts in PC becuase they perma lock them not because they can actually keep them :P "proto stomping" is unavoidable in a game where the entire endgame currently consists of getting proto gear and using it... pointless thread is pointless, although i do awknowledge that it looks like you put some decent work into it, but unfortunatly this is general disscussion so its not going to survive long.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3914	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:38:00 - [6] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: the proto stomping nyans only do ambush and dom, so simply play scrim :P melon lube arnt very good with the exception of their PC team wich also only plays ambush and dom so play scrim ancient exiles dont have any glitches to exploit so they currently arnt a problem STB was never all that great to begin with so i dont understand why people think they are... they hold districts in PC becuase they perma lock them not because they can actually keep them :P "proto stomping" is unavoidable in a game where the entire endgame currently consists of getting proto gear and using it... pointless thread is pointless, although i do awknowledge that it looks like you put some decent work into it, but unfortunatly this is general disscussion so its not going to survive long. You mad bro. Perma locking isn't something we tend to do BTW. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Slim Winning BIG BAD W0LVES 6	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:47:00 - [7] - Quote What about Imperfects? Just one of them can cause as much havock as a squad of the other guys. I get more concerned about just one Imperfect than a team of Nyain San.
Earl E Bird Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:47:00 - [8] - Quote Molon Labe? i played a fw game on there team yesterday, against a corp called "astroya guard" (or something simaler) most of molon labe finished at the bottom of the board, with the couple that did get some kills in the redline sniping, my 500sp charcater would have finished in 1st place for wp's except i went on a tk'ing spree on there snipers and lost my points, yeah, there not very good and would rather "attempt" to pad kd than pto
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 768	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:49:00 - [9] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged. Its not proto players faults, its the fact that blueberries don't know how to aim, how to watch the radar, how to use basic tactics like cover & sticking together or flanking or when to use grenades, they don't know how to use scanners, uplinks, or nanohives, or how to call in vehicles. They are then using starter fits with 310EHP as well. These people are completely useless due to inexperience, and often less skill as well, the MLT gear being icing on the cake. This isn't just dust, take a 6 man party into COD and watch how quickly you spawn trap teams and steamroll everyone. In dust you're just playing a game with so few players that you're put up against the same seasoned veteran players using teamwork, tactics, and superior gear. This is why you will sometimes see a team with no squads but they will still stomp the other team, simply because each player knows what he's doing, while the other team has the blueberries mentioned above. That's "MR." Pothead to you.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9896	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:52:00 - [10] - Quote PvE solves proto stomping PvPvE brings it back, but makes it cooler. Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict

devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 41	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:52:00 - [11] - Quote Most of these corps are large, I'm not saying all their members are guilty, or a threat. However their corp is known to regularly proto stomp and que sync. I'm going to start paying more attention to individual members responsible, however their members are still guilty by association, and there for worthy of being shunned if not killed. Giving a pass to one just leads to giving them all a pass, when really all of them are guilty of either doing it or supporting it.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 44	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:59:00 - [12] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: devonus durga wrote: Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged. Its not proto players faults, its the fact that blueberries don't know how to aim, how to watch the radar, how to use basic tactics like cover & sticking together or flanking or when to use grenades, they don't know how to use scanners, uplinks, or nanohives, or how to call in vehicles. They are then using starter fits with 310EHP as well. These people are completely useless due to inexperience, and often less skill as well, the MLT gear being icing on the cake. This isn't just dust, take a 6 man party into COD and watch how quickly you spawn trap teams and steamroll everyone. In dust you're just playing a game with so few players that you're put up against the same seasoned veteran players using teamwork, tactics, and superior gear. This is why you will sometimes see a team with no squads but they will still stomp the other team, simply because each player knows what he's doing, while the other team has the blueberries mentioned above. So you would blame the baby for burning his hand in the fire place rather then the mother? No it is proto sompers faults, they role pubs for the sole satisfaction that it is mostly blueberries there, and some of them are just plain dirty about it. We can say its match making fault etc etc, but every one of these corps regularly que syncs as well, which abuses the system. You don't need 10-12 proto plays to win a pub, you need 10-12 proto players to STOMP a pub, with minimal risk to themselves. Its like pitting a team of NFL players against a jr high football team, its pointless.
JP Acuna EATMOD 55	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:21:00 - [13] - Quote Not sure about Ancient Exiles. They're actually very good, not always in big squads and often solo, still on the top of the killboard. I used to hate those guys before, but now i do respect them. The rest are full plain stompers. This should make you think again about wanting a way to queue multiple squads into the same game. That would be awful.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 44	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:30:00 - [14] - Quote Exiles are not as guilty no, I rarely find them que syncing but occasionally they, and when they do, its all proto. I actually respect them, however I have also caught them using squads of proto tanks occasionally, which is as bad and op as a que sync, at least at this current build. Regardless even one squad of proto is the to much unless against another squad of proto. I can regularly have a 3+ kdr against newberries running a basic assauult with a gek, running full proto in pub is just over kill.
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 332	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:34:00 - [15] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: the proto stomping nyans only do ambush and dom, so simply play scrim :P melon lube arnt very good with the exception of their PC team wich also only plays ambush and dom so play scrim ancient exiles dont have any glitches to exploit so they currently arnt a problem STB was never all that great to begin with so i dont understand why people think they are... they hold districts in PC becuase they perma lock them not because they can actually keep them :P "proto stomping" is unavoidable in a game where the entire endgame currently consists of getting proto gear and using it... pointless thread is pointless, although i do awknowledge that it looks like you put some decent work into it, but unfortunatly this is general disscussion so its not going to survive long. Lol we never lock districts in STB. Looks like you need a more reliable source for your infos. When I was in Neanderthal Nation wlocked our districts thats true, but that was in the period where we tried to stay on our own feet, in fact we had to because all the stb-butthurted corps tried to get some easy revenge. Back to topic: I admit that I run proo in pubs at times, where else can I test fittings for serious PC work? Funny how using good gear in this game is consodered bad, cant remember when I have ever seen a BF3/4 vet with the standard weapons another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!
pagl1u M The Rainbow Effect 211	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:35:00 - [16] - Quote Yes, they are good players that play all together with tactics and strategy. They so evil!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 45	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:39:00 - [17] - Quote The two are incomparable. Except for weapons doing more damage, most fps you don't suddenly gain 800 more HP over what you started with by being a vet. And the damage increase is also a lot higher over the DMG increase from most fps games
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 771	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:42:00 - [18] - Quote devonus durga wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: devonus durga wrote: Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged. Its not proto players faults, its the fact that blueberries don't know how to aim, how to watch the radar, how to use basic tactics like cover & sticking together or flanking or when to use grenades, they don't know how to use scanners, uplinks, or nanohives, or how to call in vehicles. They are then using starter fits with 310EHP as well. These people are completely useless due to inexperience, and often less skill as well, the MLT gear being icing on the cake. This isn't just dust, take a 6 man party into COD and watch how quickly you spawn trap teams and steamroll everyone. In dust you're just playing a game with so few players that you're put up against the same seasoned veteran players using teamwork, tactics, and superior gear. This is why you will sometimes see a team with no squads but they will still stomp the other team, simply because each player knows what he's doing, while the other team has the blueberries mentioned above. So you would blame the baby for burning his hand in the fire place rather then the mother? No it is proto sompers faults, they role pubs for the sole satisfaction that it is mostly blueberries there, and some of them are just plain dirty about it. We can say its match making fault etc etc, but every one of these corps regularly que syncs as well, which abuses the system. You don't need 10-12 proto plays to win a pub, you need 10-12 proto players to STOMP a pub, with minimal risk to themselves. Its like pitting a team of NFL players against a jr high football team, its pointless. Blame the baby? No these are adults who are perfectly capable of aiming yet do not take the time and start btching because they're getting killed by players who DO take the time. And why run pubs? UHH IDK MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THATS THE ONLY MODE AVAILABLE? FW IS DEAD AND PC ISNT 24/7 DIPSHT. Also only scrubs quesync anymore, nyain san and AE never quesync, we sometimes get 7 or 8 nyains in a match because we like ambush and theres only 3 or so ambush's going on much of the time, we often fight each other because of it. But if you're mad because players who played for a year+ and accumulated the isk to run proto, and choose to be social while doing so, then you need HTFU and quit b*tching. That's "MR." Pothead to you.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1848	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:48:00 - [19] - Quote Critical-Impact 100% of their members run proto. Selling Templar BPO 300Mil Earn 50Mil+ ISK in Dust
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 45	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:53:00 - [20] - Quote OK, no more acknowledging the proto defenders... Oh and in regards to your reguary facing each other part? Yeah I know, I was in a match like that two days ago. Funny thing, it was a good match, both sides neck and neck..... and then around 20 clones left, our nyans suddenly dissapeared, all 5 of ya. Were still in match, ddidn't die most had no deaths, which was funny I thought, very few of the other nyans died either.... Regardless I made the mistake f trying to reason with you, no clue why. Your not going to admit your wrong or concede that you have to be cheap to pad your sp/kdr/isk/ego.

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3916	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:55:00 - [21] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: devonus durga wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: devonus durga wrote: Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged. Its not proto players faults, its the fact that blueberries don't know how to aim, how to watch the radar, how to use basic tactics like cover & sticking together or flanking or when to use grenades, they don't know how to use scanners, uplinks, or nanohives, or how to call in vehicles. They are then using starter fits with 310EHP as well. These people are completely useless due to inexperience, and often less skill as well, the MLT gear being icing on the cake. This isn't just dust, take a 6 man party into COD and watch how quickly you spawn trap teams and steamroll everyone. In dust you're just playing a game with so few players that you're put up against the same seasoned veteran players using teamwork, tactics, and superior gear. This is why you will sometimes see a team with no squads but they will still stomp the other team, simply because each player knows what he's doing, while the other team has the blueberries mentioned above. So you would blame the baby for burning his hand in the fire place rather then the mother? No it is proto sompers faults, they role pubs for the sole satisfaction that it is mostly blueberries there, and some of them are just plain dirty about it. We can say its match making fault etc etc, but every one of these corps regularly que syncs as well, which abuses the system. You don't need 10-12 proto plays to win a pub, you need 10-12 proto players to STOMP a pub, with minimal risk to themselves. Its like pitting a team of NFL players against a jr high football team, its pointless. Blame the baby? No these are adults who are perfectly capable of aiming yet do not take the time and start btching because they're getting killed by players who DO take the time. And why run pubs? UHH IDK MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THATS THE ONLY MODE AVAILABLE? FW IS DEAD AND PC ISNT 24/7 DIPSHT. Also only scrubs quesync anymore, nyain san and AE never quesync, we sometimes get 7 or 8 nyains in a match because we like ambush and theres only 3 or so ambush's going on much of the time, we often fight each other because of it. But if you're mad because players who played for a year+ and accumulated the isk to run proto, and choose to be social while doing so, then you need HTFU and quit btching. QFT. I like usung my PRO scout from time to time, I like squading with corp members. The reason I see that many matches ends in a stomp is not the gear, it's the players, any squad that plays domination has seen it: Match goes south and suddenly there are only 6 guys trying to push the objective, if your team doesn't have the (metaphorical) balls to fight you WILL* lose. Winning against a PRO team in STD or ADV gear is very doable, hell my squad and I do it all the time, but it requires teamwork and tactics, if your team just up and gives up instead of fighting than they have no reason to ****. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja* Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Slim Winning BIG BAD W0LVES 6	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:55:00 - [22] - Quote Its like gun control debate. Do you blame the gun or the person abusing it? The broken match making is fact to vet players. A lot abuse it. Stacking against Caldari or Amarr is the player's fault. Stomping randoms with protogear is the player's fault. Tank rolling even after its apparent that the other team has no opposition is the player's fault. As a Big Bad Wolf, we've had many comeback victories against top corps trying to abuse the system. Made Ancient Exiles back out of a match because they tried to roll us but we did it better. Blew up 9 Nyain San tanks in a match once, all proto turrets and modules on Madrugars and Gunlogis. They still won by 5 clones, but it cost them millions. I never understood wasting millions of ISK to win a pub.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1848	Posted - 2014.01.11 16:56:00 - [23] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Regardless I made the mistake f trying to reason with you, no clue why. Your not going to admit your wrong or concede that you have to be cheap to pad your sp/kdr/isk/ego. I don't care for any of that, i just play casually that why i use proto because it is just the best stuff and i can do a lot more with it. If i wanted to go hardcore would i not just use standard suits and try to save ISK and camp. I don't care about ISK thats why i use proto. Selling Templar BPO 300Mil Earn 50Mil+ ISK in Dust
DISGRUNTLEDev Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 278	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:01:00 - [24] - Quote I run basic suits in pubs and still role blueberries. I have a stupid amount of isk, have over 1000 proto suits stocked, if I want to run proto, why can't I? I have literally nothing else so spend isk on.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 268	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:04:00 - [25] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Exiles are not as guilty no, I rarely find them que syncing but occasionally they, and when they do, its all proto. I actually respect them, however I have also caught them using squads of proto tanks occasionally, which is as bad and op as a que sync, at least at this current build. Regardless even one squad of proto is the to much unless against another squad of proto. I can regularly have a 3+ kdr against newberries running a basic assauult with a gek, running full proto in pub is just over kill. little timmy is tired of having his a$$ handed to him...awwe so cute. you're like a mad kid, stomping your feet. can you cry over this bowl please? so its easier to harvest your tears. corp : pyramidhead description: one man tear harvesting machine. commonly see wearing 1000 hp tank with legs, otherwise know as brick tanked, 33db amarr logi. consistently see carrying proto AR or assault rail rifle, assault smg, and a full set of medic gear in the 3x EQ slots. if you see him, consider him OP and completely over confident. do not engage. all previous know engagements have resulted, in the stretching of noobs sphincters. please i repeat, unless you want to end up crying on the forums, like a little b!t*h, do not engage that little yellow triangle, in the top left
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 919	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:06:00 - [26] - Quote You guys are sending your hate for proto stomping the wrong way. Why hate a guy who spent months unlocking prototype gear just because he uses it? Its not my fault or anyone elses that CCP throws new players fresh out of the academy with 1500WP I believe to face veterans with 20+ million SP. Also whats the point of being in a corp if you don't squad up with them? If my squadmates want to use proto its their choice they spent the time to unlock it and they take the risk of losing ISK running it. Why even unlock prototype if you have no intention of using it? Your anger should be directed at CCPs lack of player separation. If I could play in pub matches where everyone is using proto I would, unfortunately PC is the only place that exists. I have the luxury of being in a corp that is involved in PC but other don't. If you're upset about the other team using proto then do the same, if proto is the only reason they are killing then you should have no problem killing them or just leave the battle and quit your btchin' STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 516	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:06:00 - [27] - Quote This is truly a fault of matchmaking, why when you get a squad does it not try and pair you up against another squad? It just fills random matches. At this point I think we should just bring back Corp Battles. FW isn't a gamemode that will sustain itself, you just return to pubs later. There needs to be a switch to get paid in ISK or LP, with slightly higher ISK payouts in FW...paid out to the winner only. PC is nice but not very well done. It's so limited that you only bring the A team, what about everyone else in that Corp? Plus with locking and other exploits it is more a pain than it's worth.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 45	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:06:00 - [28] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: devonus durga wrote: Regardless I made the mistake f trying to reason with you, no clue why. Your not going to admit your wrong or concede that you have to be cheap to pad your sp/kdr/isk/ego. I don't care for any of that, i just play casually that why i use proto because it is just the best stuff and i can do a lot more with it. If i wanted to go hardcore would i not just use standard suits and try to save ISK and camp. I don't care about ISK thats why i use proto. I'm not saying running proto is bad, you worked hard put the time in got the gear, go ahead run it. Just don't feel the need to run with 5-10 other people all the time constantly. And I actually almost added your corp to the watch list lol. Its not people running proto that ruins the game, its the peoplwho do it in such a way as take the fun out of it for everyone else in the match that does.
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 101	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:13:00 - [29] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Exiles are not as guilty no, I rarely find them que syncing but occasionally they, and when they do, its all proto. I actually respect them, however I have also caught them using squads of proto tanks occasionally, which is as bad and op as a que sync, at least at this current build. Regardless even one squad of proto is the to much unless against another squad of proto. I can regularly have a 3+ kdr against newberries running a basic assauult with a gek, running full proto in pub is just over kill. There is no proto tank at the moment.
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 443	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:17:00 - [30] - Quote Slim Winning wrote: What about Imperfects? Just one of them can cause as much havock as a squad of the other guys. I get more concerned about just one Imperfect than a team of Nyain San. I'm basically a whole squad by myself.

devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 45	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:23:00 - [31] - Quote By proto tank I mean tanks running proto turrents and triple hardeners and the like.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 385	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:25:00 - [32] - Quote They need to bring back corp battles or some sort of squad vs squad combat. I was in a game last night with two full squads vs a bunch of randoms. Obviously it was a rout and no fun at all. As I shut down my PS3 I said that's why nobody plays your game CCP. I don't mind squads (Though I do view them as the biggest crutch of all) but I do mind horrible match making that puts all the squads on the same team. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 247	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:26:00 - [33] - Quote Its Nyain not Nyan, most people in corp use the combat rifle not the rail rifle and hardly any of us use places like the mushroom top
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3828	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:26:00 - [34] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Nyan San/chan: Well known proto stompers from japan. This corp is rarely found as an individual and is often squaded with a full squad of other proto sompers, usually from their own corp though known to squad and que syn with other known proto stomp corps. They are fond of using proto tanks with proto logo suit drivers who will hop out to repair their vehicle, allowing them to have more hardeners and damage mods then most proto tankers. They rarely role rail gun tanks but will often bring 3-4 proto blaster tanks to the field. When not using tank squads they will use the ,latest FoTM weapon, at this current time proto rail rifles, usually assault. Several of their members will also use core locus grenade spam so avoid bunching in groups, and remember that their blast radius is larger then other locus grenades. They are also well known users of the equipment lag glitch, however the recent patch seems to have fixed this to an extent. They will also commonly use cheap locations such as the mushroom top, or other unassaultable locations if the situation warrants. Most commonly found in ambush. Their actions warrant FW killing in my opinion Molon labe: Another proto group, currently quite fond of rolling squads of proto tanks, all blaster as observed thus far. Not to be under estimated out of their tanks, and often found squaring with or que syncing with other proto corps, including nyan. They also have several associated groups that occasionally role with them, however rest assured if you see at least 3 of these members, they are most likely in a squad of 6, from composed of lesser known allied corps or other proto corps, and most likely all running proto gear. They will also use mlt tanks once any possible enemy tank threat has been neutralized, so if you want to hurt them the worst, kill their initial tanks if you can. They are also known to utilize assault dropships and it is not uncommon for them to field 2 or more if they do. Found in ambush and doms. Also warrants faction warfare team killing. I underlined some important things. 1) Repairing someone's vehicle is teamwork. I don't disagree that the tank spam is a problem, but complaining about teamwork? Next. 2) The equipment lag is not a glitch, just a mechanic that some people abuse. Also, the patch may have fixed it for public matches, but it is still awful for PC 3) "Cheap" locations? It's just good placement that gets you a good position, at least IMO. When there was Forge Gun spam I was really pissed off about that too, but now it's just a meh spot. 4) How do you know they're queue syncing? I get into Dominations all the time where there is TWO SQUADS on the other team. It's probably just terribad matchmaking. 5) Utilizing Assault Dropships is not a problem, as they still get 2-3 shotted by Railguns. Anyone using them is doing so with a lot of risk. /rant QW1hcnIgTG9naSBGVFc=
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 682	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:27:00 - [35] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: devonus durga wrote: Regardless I made the mistake f trying to reason with you, no clue why. Your not going to admit your wrong or concede that you have to be cheap to pad your sp/kdr/isk/ego. I don't care for any of that, i just play casually that why i use proto because it is just the best stuff and i can do a lot more with it. If i wanted to go hardcore would i not just use standard suits and try to save ISK and camp. I don't care about ISK thats why i use proto. I'm not saying running proto is bad, you worked hard put the time in got the gear, go ahead run it. Just don't feel the need to run with 5-10 other people all the time constantly. And I actually almost added your corp to the watch list lol. Its not people running proto that ruins the game, its the peoplwho do it in such a way as take the fun out of it for everyone else in the match that does. So you're saying that we squading up is as "bad" as running proto? I absolutely don't understand where you are coming from. This game is based on teamplay and social interactions and skill grinding. TBH, i'm not good enough to turn a profit from running proto all the time and I'm ok with that. When I have the ISK to pull out my proto CalAssault and Kaalakiota Rail Rifle I do because I did the grind for the SP and ISK to allow me to do that. In reference, to the comment about "don't feel the need to run with 5-10 other people all the time constantly"...that's kinda the point of a corp so you have players of a known quality running with. Maybe even they are your friends and it's fun. Also, when I start a random squad and gather players it only takes a few matches before you start accruing better players by guys joining after a match when guys check the leader boards and see if you have an open slot. Many times when I join a random squad I look for Corp names that are known quantities...mostly because they probably have mics; this also leads to some pretty good squads out there. OSG routinely runs ADV or MLT gear and does pretty well...mostly because it makes us rely on team play more and makes us a little better for when our guys do run proto. Teamwork is OP and that's one thing that should never be nerfed.
ReGnYuM Imperfects 1784	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:27:00 - [36] - Quote Phew, Glad myself or my Corp is not on that list. I would hate to be listed with those Tryhard Matchmaking abusing scrubs. ProtoStomping is the Single Reason why Dust is unsuccessful, and anybody who partakes in it should just quit. Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset I Slay, for thy Empress
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 96	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:35:00 - [37] - Quote The only "problem corp" that needs to kicked to the curb is Duna Corp, and only because they insist on running six tanks every ambush game they play, and they play for hours sometimes. I made my peace with proto suits when I realised it was the teamwork that was getting me killed more than the better gear (although I acknowledge it does make a significan difference). I've yet to figure out how six tanks can be taken off the field when they're in your face within a minute of the match starting, but oh hum. Who wants to live forever? Good luck, anyway. You're going to need it. Dedicated Commando. So it's a good job KDR doesn't bother me, really.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3829	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:36:00 - [38] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: The only "problem corp" that needs to kicked to the curb is Duna Corp, and only because they insist on running six tanks every ambush game they play, and they play for hours sometimes. I made my peace with proto suits when I realised it was the teamwork that was getting me killed more than the better gear (although I acknowledge it does make a significan difference). I've yet to figure out how six tanks can be taken off the field when they're in your face within a minute of the match starting, but oh hum. Who wants to live forever? Good luck, anyway. You're going to need it. There's 900 noobs in that corp all being farmed for taxes. Give them a break. QW1hcnIgTG9naSBGVFc=
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 45	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:39:00 - [39] - Quote When I run into the occasional squad or two yeah, when I run against the same 10 peopl in 3 or 4 matches? Nahhh And abusing something that is broken, is OK? Be it matchmaking, the equipment lag issue, tank spam, etc. And I didn't say team work was bad, I run in a squad regulary, heck I don't even mind que syncing if its not 12 guys all running proto. Half the fun of the game is running together. But there are corps who abuse their power, the system, current OP weapons/mechanics, etc, and just make the game no fun for anyone else. When you ruin the game for other people, its wrong, period, and there are certain corps that do this consistently, and the only reason they do it s because they can. That's what this topic is about. Not protons in general, not teamwork, its about those who consistently abuse the current state of the game and conti uously do it. sver and exiles are good about it usually, thiwr just there BC when they do do it, new players and less equipped players need to be prepared.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3829	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:42:00 - [40] - Quote devonus durga wrote: When I run into the occasional squad or two yeah, when I run against the same 10 peopl in 3 or 4 matches? Nahhh And abusing something that is broken, is OK? Be it matchmaking, the equipment lag issue, tank spam, etc. And I didn't say team work was bad, I run in a squad regulary, heck I don't even mind que syncing if its not 12 guys all running proto. Half the fun of the game is running together. But there are corps who abuse their power, the system, current OP weapons/mechanics, etc, and just make the game no fun for anyone else. When you ruin the game for other people, its wrong, period, and there are certain corps that do this consistently, and the only reason they do it s because they can. That's what this topic is about. Not protons in general, not teamwork, its about those who consistently abuse the current state of the game and conti uously do it. sver and exiles are good about it usually, thiwr just there BC when they do do it, new players and less equipped players need to be prepared. I don't like any of this **** either. Running solo domination gets really old facing 2-3 squads every match when I'm on a team of noobs. But not everything you listed is abusing the game :P In fact, I wish I still had my Python now :( QW1hcnIgTG9naSBGVFc=

THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 775	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:49:00 - [41] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: The only "problem corp" that needs to kicked to the curb is Duna Corp, and only because they insist on running six tanks every ambush game they play, and they play for hours sometimes. I made my peace with proto suits when I realised it was the teamwork that was getting me killed more than the better gear (although I acknowledge it does make a significan difference). I've yet to figure out how six tanks can be taken off the field when they're in your face within a minute of the match starting, but oh hum. Who wants to live forever? Good luck, anyway. You're going to need it. My god, me and 3 other nyains have gone up against dunas squad, it was horrible, we must've blown up 30 fully fit tanks that match, they just called them in OVER & OVER & OVER, Of course duna only uses tanks with his proto heavy suit * & bails out the INSTANT his tank is threatened, then calls in another fully proto maddy....again..and again, just using his farm corps isk to pad his KDR through severe tank abuse. Having 6 specced out tankers is fine spending 15million isk in a pub through padding KDR using noobs isk u scammed out of them through tax is just pathetic. That's "MR." Pothead to you.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 45	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:50:00 - [42] - Quote The things I listed next to the corps are just the tactics they see, not necessarily something that's abusive, just something to be aware of if you decide you want to try and fight them.
echo47 Minmatar Republic 168	Posted - 2014.01.11 17:51:00 - [43] - Quote One of the lamest posts ever. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Palatinate Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 204	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:06:00 - [44] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: devonus durga wrote: When I run into the occasional squad or two yeah, when I run against the same 10 peopl in 3 or 4 matches? Nahhh And abusing something that is broken, is OK? Be it matchmaking, the equipment lag issue, tank spam, etc. And I didn't say team work was bad, I run in a squad regulary, heck I don't even mind que syncing if its not 12 guys all running proto. Half the fun of the game is running together. But there are corps who abuse their power, the system, current OP weapons/mechanics, etc, and just make the game no fun for anyone else. When you ruin the game for other people, its wrong, period, and there are certain corps that do this consistently, and the only reason they do it s because they can. That's what this topic is about. Not protons in general, not teamwork, its about those who consistently abuse the current state of the game and conti uously do it. sver and exiles are good about it usually, thiwr just there BC when they do do it, new players and less equipped players need to be prepared. I don't like any of this **** either. Running solo domination gets really old facing 2-3 squads every match when I'm on a team of noobs. But not everything you listed is abusing the game :P In fact, I wish I still had my Python now :( Stop running solo then you noob! At least squad up with 1 other person so they can try to watch your back. ( I recommend xSaphir3 or Rampage ). Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression! - Battlefield 3 Me: lol what?
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 682	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:31:00 - [45] - Quote devonus durga wrote: When I run into the occasional squad or two yeah, when I run against the same 10 peopl in 3 or 4 matches? Nahhh And abusing something that is broken, is OK? Be it matchmaking, the equipment lag issue, tank spam, etc. And I didn't say team work was bad, I run in a squad regulary, heck I don't even mind que syncing if its not 12 guys all running proto. Half the fun of the game is running together. But there are corps who abuse their power, the system, current OP weapons/mechanics, etc, and just make the game no fun for anyone else. When you ruin the game for other people, its wrong, period, and there are certain corps that do this consistently, and the only reason they do it s because they can. That's what this topic is about. Not protons in general, not teamwork, its about those who consistently abuse the current state of the game and conti uously do it. sver and exiles are good about it usually, thiwr just there BC when they do do it, new players and less equipped players need to be prepared. I understand where you are coming from...however, you play EVE? Check out how folks view the CFC or Goons. Any PVP game has this facet to some degree. The EVE / Dust universe just bring it into sharp focus as a factor of the game play. I'm on the receiving end of pub ambush beatdowns as often as I help deliver them...I'm an average solo player and excellent teamplayer. Everytime I see a guy on the board go 43/1 or get rolled by a Nyain San pub ambush ROFLSTOMP in less than 5min it doesn't make me upset at anyone but myself and I keep trying to get better. Again, I understand your beef with the situation, however, if you have groups of very experienced guys that want to run together the outcome is pretty much forecasted. To me the current solution is to get better individually and build a stronger Corps so you aren't on the receiving end as much. That said, the long term answer clearly has to be baked into the game via matchmaking, PVE options, corp battles, ect.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 386	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:36:00 - [46] - Quote Palatinate wrote: Patrick57 wrote: devonus durga wrote: When I run into the occasional squad or two yeah, when I run against the same 10 peopl in 3 or 4 matches? Nahhh And abusing something that is broken, is OK? Be it matchmaking, the equipment lag issue, tank spam, etc. And I didn't say team work was bad, I run in a squad regulary, heck I don't even mind que syncing if its not 12 guys all running proto. Half the fun of the game is running together. But there are corps who abuse their power, the system, current OP weapons/mechanics, etc, and just make the game no fun for anyone else. When you ruin the game for other people, its wrong, period, and there are certain corps that do this consistently, and the only reason they do it s because they can. That's what this topic is about. Not protons in general, not teamwork, its about those who consistently abuse the current state of the game and conti uously do it. sver and exiles are good about it usually, thiwr just there BC when they do do it, new players and less equipped players need to be prepared. I don't like any of this **** either. Running solo domination gets really old facing 2-3 squads every match when I'm on a team of noobs. But not everything you listed is abusing the game :P In fact, I wish I still had my Python now :( Stop running solo then you noob! At least squad up with 1 other person so they can try to watch your back. ( I recommend xSaphir3 or Rampage ). Maybe if people quit playing with screaming and crying family members in the back ground while they eat chips and mouth breath. Then I might consider doing something that requires me to listen to other people. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2507	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:38:00 - [47] - Quote If the OP hadn't been sending so much hate mail, I would have sent them some ISK for continuing to push. The matchmaking was terrible in the matches that brought this on. I switched to a scout BPO suit and ran around with a scrambler pistol in two of them. It happens, but I can tell you that I'm not going to run **** gear all the time out of some pathetic belief that using gear that I earned is bad. Kuddos to the OP for running in a squad and bringing it hard in those matches. Lay off the hatemail and QQing and keep getting better. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2507	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:39:00 - [48] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Palatinate wrote: Patrick57 wrote: devonus durga wrote: When I run into the occasional squad or two yeah, when I run against the same 10 peopl in 3 or 4 matches? Nahhh And abusing something that is broken, is OK? Be it matchmaking, the equipment lag issue, tank spam, etc. And I didn't say team work was bad, I run in a squad regulary, heck I don't even mind que syncing if its not 12 guys all running proto. Half the fun of the game is running together. But there are corps who abuse their power, the system, current OP weapons/mechanics, etc, and just make the game no fun for anyone else. When you ruin the game for other people, its wrong, period, and there are certain corps that do this consistently, and the only reason they do it s because they can. That's what this topic is about. Not protons in general, not teamwork, its about those who consistently abuse the current state of the game and conti uously do it. sver and exiles are good about it usually, thiwr just there BC when they do do it, new players and less equipped players need to be prepared. I don't like any of this **** either. Running solo domination gets really old facing 2-3 squads every match when I'm on a team of noobs. But not everything you listed is abusing the game :P In fact, I wish I still had my Python now :( Stop running solo then you noob! At least squad up with 1 other person so they can try to watch your back. ( I recommend xSaphir3 or Rampage ). Maybe if people quit playing with screaming and crying family members in the back ground while they eat chips and mouth breath. Then I might consider doing something that requires me to listen to other people. Find a different group if comms always suck in the circles you run in. Solo ain't the way to go. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 46	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:44:00 - [49] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: If the OP hadn't been sending so much hate mail, I would have sent them some ISK for continuing to push. The matchmaking was terrible in the matches that brought this on. I switched to a scout BPO suit and ran around with a scrambler pistol in two of them. It happens, but I can tell you that I'm not going to run **** gear all the time out of some pathetic belief that using gear that I earned is bad. Kuddos to the OP for running in a squad and bringing it hard in those matches. Lay off the hatemail and QQing and keep getting better. Yeah, I was tad miffed that night, my apologies. I actually need to send that whole group apologies, the rage boiled over, which partially resulted in this as I need to do something constructive with my rage besides yell at people.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2507	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:51:00 - [50] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: If the OP hadn't been sending so much hate mail, I would have sent them some ISK for continuing to push. The matchmaking was terrible in the matches that brought this on. I switched to a scout BPO suit and ran around with a scrambler pistol in two of them. It happens, but I can tell you that I'm not going to run **** gear all the time out of some pathetic belief that using gear that I earned is bad. Kuddos to the OP for running in a squad and bringing it hard in those matches. Lay off the hatemail and QQing and keep getting better. Yeah, I was tad miffed that night, my apologies. I actually need to send that whole group apologies, the rage boiled over, which partially resulted in this as I need to do something constructive with my rage besides yell at people. No worries man, you guys add our pub channel and squad up sometime. I don't think you'll end up with such a poor opinion of us. We are just very active and play together a lot. #Sand Castles ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 222	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:53:00 - [51] - Quote I'm not sure where you're getting your "observations" from.... We don't queue sync with Nyan San. We don't queue sync much at all (it's literally been months since I've seen us do that, and we did it to practice intra squad tactics for PC). If you don't like our proto suits (or those of us that run them), kill us enough to warrant stop using them. Until then, you'll have to accept my apology for our killing you so much it warrants public QQ....or consider our squads a challenge to try to overcome....Leadfoot
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 4376	Posted - 2014.01.11 18:54:00 - [52] - Quote I always use Proto. Can I be added to the wanted list? Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars EVE - White Sign Soapstone (Trial for newbs)
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 46	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:00:00 - [53] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: devonus durga wrote: When I run into the occasional squad or two yeah, when I run against the same 10 peopl in 3 or 4 matches? Nahhh And abusing something that is broken, is OK? Be it matchmaking, the equipment lag issue, tank spam, etc. And I didn't say team work was bad, I run in a squad regulary, heck I don't even mind que syncing if its not 12 guys all running proto. Half the fun of the game is running together. But there are corps who abuse their power, the system, current OP weapons/mechanics, etc, and just make the game no fun for anyone else. When you ruin the game for other people, its wrong, period, and there are certain corps that do this consistently, and the only reason they do it s because they can. That's what this topic is about. Not protons in general, not teamwork, its about those who consistently abuse the current state of the game and conti uously do it. sver and exiles are good about it usually, thiwr just there BC when they do do it, new players and less equipped players need to be prepared. I understand where you are coming from...however, you play EVE? Check out how folks view the CFC or Goons. Any PVP game has this facet to some degree. The EVE / Dust universe just bring it into sharp focus as a factor of the game play. I'm on the receiving end of pub ambush beatdowns as often as I help deliver them...I'm an average solo player and excellent teamplayer. Everytime I see a guy on the board go 43/1 or get rolled by a Nyain San pub ambush ROFLSTOMP in less than 5min it doesn't make me upset at anyone but myself and I keep trying to get better. Again, I understand your beef with the situation, however, if you have groups of very experienced guys that want to run together the outcome is pretty much forecasted. To me the current solution is to get better individually and build a stronger Corps so you aren't on the receiving end as much. That said, the long term answer clearly has to be baked into the game via matchmaking, PVE options, corp battles, ect. Agreed on all points, except there are other options as well, we all know the player base is dropping, we all know what some of the reasons are. We can wait for CCP to take initiative soonGäó, or dissuade its use individually. We all justify it will well that corp does it etc etc etc. Some. Corps I do believe are laying off on the pub stomps, others not so much, but the only other thin we can do is dissuade its use by attempting to impose penalties as a player base, and making sure our new berries know just what is going on and how to deal with it or fight back. It won't stop, ever probably. The imbalance drives aur purchases and there for will always bepresent, but the iimbalance is no longer providing a challenge for most players or driving sales, its more a brick wall to pound your face against. If I hadn't found a corp shortly after starting I probably would have stopped this game a week after I picked up again.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 46	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:06:00 - [54] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I'm not sure where you're getting your "observations" from.... We don't queue sync with Nyan San. We don't queue sync much at all (it's literally been months since I've seen us do that, and we did it to practice intra squad tactics for PC). If you don't like our proto suits (or those of us that run them), kill us enough to warrant stop using them. Until then, you'll have to accept my apology for our killing you so much it warrants public QQ....or consider our squads a challenge to try to overcome....Leadfoot Well the match me and Thor are referencing had 10 of you.... so -shrugs- I know coincidences happen but its also not the first time. And no thnx Thor. I'm not saying your bad people. I actually know a few cool people from most of those corps, it doesn't change my opinion of the general tactics employed, even if only occasionally. And considering I spammed all 10 of you with hate mail, I doubt I would receive a happy welcome.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 222	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:15:00 - [55] - Quote I wasn't in that match, so I can't say what happened. But like I said, I don't see us queue syncing at all any more, and I have never, not even once, seen us queue sync with Nyan San. You can believe that or not, you can hate us for it or not, and you can post threads calling us out publically for things that many, many corps do. That's your choice. Lastly, I would be very surprised if anyone held your prior hatemail against you -- to the contrary, I think most consider it a compliment. Take care....Leadfoot
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:23:00 - [56] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: devonus durga wrote: Regardless I made the mistake f trying to reason with you, no clue why. Your not going to admit your wrong or concede that you have to be cheap to pad your sp/kdr/isk/ego. I don't care for any of that, i just play casually that why i use proto because it is just the best stuff and i can do a lot more with it. If i wanted to go hardcore would i not just use standard suits and try to save ISK and camp. I don't care about ISK thats why i use proto. There is a compromise but the stompers refuse to admit their culpability in ruining the game for both those on their team and those players, especially new players, on the other team. Don't start in proto gear, if their is good competition then switch to it, if you are stomping the other team and have them switch suits and use weapons more difficult to use. Either that or play FW or PC, complaining that there are no matches while you yourself are not playing them is an exercise in futility.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:27:00 - [57] - Quote DISGRUNTLEDev wrote: I run basic suits in pubs and still role blueberries. I have a stupid amount of isk, have over 1000 proto suits stocked, if I want to run proto, why can't I? I have literally nothing else to spend isk on. You can do what ever you want, you can spit on the floor, curse loudly in public, fart at dinner but you are being an ass if you do it .
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:40:00 - [58] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: You guys are sending your hate for proto stomping the wrong way. Why hate a guy who spent months unlocking prototype gear just because he uses it? Its not my fault or anyone elses that CCP throws new players fresh out of the academy with 1500WP I believe to face veterans with 20+ million SP. Also whats the point of being in a corp if you don't squad up with them? If my squadmates want to use proto its their choice they spent the time to unlock it and they take the risk of losing ISK running it. Why even unlock prototype if you have no intention of using it? Your anger should be directed at CCPs lack of player separation. If I could play in pub matches where everyone is using proto I would, unfortunately PC is the only place that exists. I have the luxury of being in a corp that is involved in PC but other don't. If you're upset about the other team using proto then do the same, if proto is the only reason they are killing then you should have no problem killing them with it or just leave the battle and quit your btchin' You are right, just like we can blame "the government" or "society" for problems resulting from the actions we take which aren't in themselves bad. CCP is the one who should fix this, but WE, all of us including you, is the Dust society and we each make the game what it is. Your actions are ruining the game for every newer player. That isn't the way it should be, but it is the way it is. The question is whether you and everyone else will accept responsibility for our Dust society or if you will be a part of the problems affecting it.
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 82	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:43:00 - [59] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged. This happens to me routinely.... obviously something is wrong when the best player on my team is 6/18 300 WP and I'm at around 200 WP and I place in the top 5.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 222	Posted - 2014.01.11 19:56:00 - [60] - Quote "Ruining the game"? lol When I started this game, I got killed a few thousand times by proto stompers with tens of millions of skill points more than I had. Did I QQ? No. Did I send hatemail? No. I got better from the challenge...and I have a greater sense of accomplishment now that I kill more than I die regardless of the suit I run. Would you rather I kill redberries 10 instead of 20 times a round if I run my BPO suit? Should I not drop orbitals fearing those I kill quitting the game? Should I stop playing in squads and run solo all the time so you stand a better chance of winning? Would those things somehow make things better for those new players? I hardly think so. You are, of course, free to disagree....Leadfoot

WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 31	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:07:00 - [61] - Quote stop crying ... the entire point of this game is upgrading and customizing. if we earn the proto suit.. what do u think we have it for????????? TO USE IT!!!! not to use the advanced or basic versions .. when we have the top version of the suit we want. its not our fault u don't have the isk or the sp to run proto all the time... fact is .. we earned it.. & we shall use it.. play more and get boosters if that's what u need.. but stop crying * 31.7 mill sp and 227 mill isk .. WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER <--- PROTO ALL DAY!!!!! *WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER ... THE GOD HEAVY*
skippy678 the.R3D.kings IMMORTAL REGIME 2410	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:22:00 - [62] - Quote I have 26 million SP and im rich , ill run whatever I want whenever I want. UNLESS.. You post on here begging me not to...literally...pleeaassee skippy dont protostomp me...please you can do it, your already telling everybody in the game that your a newb and that you play bad by this thread being made. +1 T-bag for the OP when i see him..it will be easy since he will be shooting at the MCC anyway dummy Level 2 Forum Warrior
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 388	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:45:00 - [63] - Quote The real issue is the crap match making and if CCP can't see that it's killing the game they deserve to have everyone abandon it. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3338	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:28:00 - [64] - Quote Slim Winning wrote: What about Imperfects? Just one of them can cause as much havock as a squad of the other guys. I get more concerned about just one Imperfect than a team of Nyain San. devonus doesn't know who the Imperfects are. And the odds of seeing an Imp in a PUB match is extremely rare. Heck, the only imps I've ever seen in a PUB were Alldin and ReGYnuM. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR Scrubs and Tank Spammers, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
SOGZ PANDA Pradox One Proficiency V. 33	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:50:00 - [65] - Quote All this QQ over proto stomp We all had to take a good beating in chrome and open beta to get where we are now So git gud and realise this game is a long grind fella Whatever Brianna Beach says about me.............It's not true
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 134	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:56:00 - [66] - Quote I tend to go by the proto peace treaty if i get shot by one dude from your team in proto gear then all bets are off proto gear is comeing out. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 924	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:09:00 - [67] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: You guys are sending your hate for proto stomping the wrong way. Why hate a guy who spent months unlocking prototype gear just because he uses it? Its not my fault or anyone elses that CCP throws new players fresh out of the academy with 1500WP I believe to face veterans with 20+ million SP. Also whats the point of being in a corp if you don't squad up with them? If my squadmates want to use proto its their choice they spent the time to unlock it and they take the risk of losing ISK running it. Why even unlock prototype if you have no intention of using it? Your anger should be directed at CCPs lack of player separation. If I could play in pub matches where everyone is using proto I would, unfortunately PC is the only place that exists. I have the luxury of being in a corp that is involved in PC but other don't. If you're upset about the other team using proto then do the same, if proto is the only reason they are killing then you should have no problem killing them with it or just leave the battle and quit your btchin' You are right, just like we can blame "the government" or "society" for problems resulting from the actions we take which aren't in themselves bad. CCP is the one who should fix this, but WE, all of us including you, is the Dust society and we each make the game what it is. Your actions are ruining the game for every newer player. That isn't the way it should be, but it is the way it is. The question is whether you and everyone else will accept responsibility for our Dust society or if you will be a part of the problems affecting it. I see where you're coming from but the analogy isn't valid, CCP created this game they have COMPLETE control over separating players they have just chosen not too because "one shard" blah blah blah and all that crap. I made a thread about separating the playerbase to help new player retention but CPM iron wolf moron wants a this game to be extremely harsh and punish new players, sad thing is it got a positive reception from the community but no DEV response and CPM shot it down. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2510	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:50:00 - [68] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I'm not sure where you're getting your "observations" from.... We don't queue sync with Nyan San. We don't queue sync much at all (it's literally been months since I've seen us do that, and we did it to practice intra squad tactics for PC). If you don't like our proto suits (or those of us that run them), kill us enough to warrant stop using them. Until then, you'll have to accept my apology for our killing you so much it warrants public QQ....or consider our squads a challenge to try to overcome....Leadfoot Well the match me and Thor are referencing had 10 of you.... so -shrugs- I know coincidences happen but its also not the first time. And no thnx Thor. I'm not saying your bad people. I actually know a few cool people from most of those corps, it doesn't change my opinion of the general tactics employed, even if only occasionally. And considering I spammed all 10 of you with hate mail, I doubt I would receive a happy welcome. We Qsync some into FW, but we don't into pubs. But take a look at the monthly and weekly leaderboards, we have easily the most active corp in Dust. Lots of our vets still play the game. We are a PC corp, but people are just trying to have fun in pubs. When FW gets ironed out I'm sure it'll take some of the pressure off of pub stomping. I like running proto. I love all my badass equipment. I like being able to keep the heavy I'm following alive. I love good fights. I like when both sides go balls to the wall for the win. I'm not trying to recruit here, but there are some good corps out there. Being in a bigger pool of active, skilled, and experienced players will obviously improve the odds of you getting stomped on. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 394	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:52:00 - [69] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I'm not sure where you're getting your "observations" from.... We don't queue sync with Nyan San. We don't queue sync much at all (it's literally been months since I've seen us do that, and we did it to practice intra squad tactics for PC). If you don't like our proto suits (or those of us that run them), kill us enough to warrant stop using them. Until then, you'll have to accept my apology for our killing you so much it warrants public QQ....or consider our squads a challenge to try to overcome....Leadfoot Well the match me and Thor are referencing had 10 of you.... so -shrugs- I know coincidences happen but its also not the first time. And no thnx Thor. I'm not saying your bad people. I actually know a few cool people from most of those corps, it doesn't change my opinion of the general tactics employed, even if only occasionally. And considering I spammed all 10 of you with hate mail, I doubt I would receive a happy welcome. We Qsync some into FW, but we don't into pubs. But take a look at the monthly and weekly leaderboards, we have easily the most active corp in Dust. Lots of our vets still play the game. We are a PC corp, but people are just trying to have fun in pubs. When FW gets ironed out I'm sure it'll take some of the pressure off of pub stomping. I like running proto. I love all my badass equipment. I like being able to keep the heavy I'm following alive. I love good fights. I like when both sides go balls to the wall for the win. I'm not trying to recruit here, but there are some good corps out there. Being in a bigger pool of active, skilled, and experienced players will obviously improve the odds of you getting stomped on. Can't beat em join em..... sorry ass solution to the problem. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3836	Posted - 2014.01.12 00:47:00 - [70] - Quote Atiim wrote: Slim Winning wrote: What about Imperfects? Just one of them can cause as much havock as a squad of the other guys. I get more concerned about just one Imperfect than a team of Nyain San. devonus doesn't know who the Imperfects are. And the odds of seeing an Imp in a PUB match is extremely rare. Heck, the only imps I've ever seen in a PUB were Alldin and ReGYnuM. You haven't seen Kryptix (I apologize if I spell that wrong ) or YoungcuZ? QW1hcnIgTG9naSBGVFc=

pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 269	Posted - 2014.01.12 00:49:00 - [71] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I'm not sure where you're getting your "observations" from.... We don't queue sync with Nyan San. We don't queue sync much at all (it's literally been months since I've seen us do that, and we did it to practice intra squad tactics for PC). If you don't like our proto suits (or those of us that run them), kill us enough to warrant stop using them. Until then, you'll have to accept my apology for our killing you so much it warrants public QQ....or consider our squads a challenge to try to overcome....Leadfoot Well the match me and Thor are referencing had 10 of you.... so -shrugs- I know coincidences happen but its also not the first time. And no thnx Thor. I'm not saying your bad people. I actually know a few cool people from most of those corps, it doesn't change my opinion of the general tactics employed, even if only occasionally. And considering I spammed all 10 of you with hate mail, I doubt I would receive a happy welcome. We Qsync some into FW, but we don't into pubs. But take a look at the monthly and weekly leaderboards, we have easily the most active corp in Dust. Lots of our vets still play the game. We are a PC corp, but people are just trying to have fun in pubs. When FW gets ironed out I'm sure it'll take some of the pressure off of pub stomping. I like running proto. I love all my badass equipment. I like being able to keep the heavy I'm following alive. I love good fights. I like when both sides go balls to the wall for the win. I'm not trying to recruit here, but there are some good corps out there. Being in a bigger pool of active, skilled, and experienced players will obviously improve the odds of you getting stomped on. join the pyramidhead in creating mercs personal hells'
J0hlss0n molon labe. Public Disorder. 84	Posted - 2014.01.12 01:04:00 - [72] - Quote Well, if you see me on the other team in a pub match (or on your team), dont worry about me using proto, never go beyond advanced in pubs, that goes with modules/extenders etc also... with the exception of a proto forge on a advanced suit, that is needed in these days of tanks. =P
Nirwanda Vaughns 264	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:11:00 - [73] - Quote devonus durga wrote: This thread shall be used to publicly aknowledge the scions of no skill so that others might be aware of their actions, transgressions, and take appropriate action to either avoid or kill such members. Please be aware that all these groups commonly run with plentiful numbers of nanite injectors and that should you choose to engage them, it is recommended that you not only kill them, but make sure their non revivabke by headshotting them, blowing them to bits, or shooting their body after its down. I reccomend this to such an extent that you ignore their other near by players to insure their 200k suit stays dead. The best tactics for handling these corporations is to use a cheap disposable suit armed with remote explosives. With the exception of certain heavy builds, no proto suit can survive a remote, and they do not need to be double tapped. I personally reccomend a militia scout shotgunner build. Dampeners are useless as they regularly have at least one proto scanner available. I encourage players to not associate with these players as they ruin the game and abuse the match making system. I have marked some as deserving of faction warfare team killing due to the unrepentant and abusive actions, and that perhaps some repercussions for said actions will at least give them pause before steam rolling some newberries and those less skilled/experienced. Nyan San/chan: Well known proto stompers from japan. This corp is rarely found as an individual and is often squaded with a full squad of other proto sompers, usually from their own corp though known to squad and que syn with other known proto stomp corps. They are fond of using proto tanks with proto logo suit drivers who will hop out to repair their vehicle, allowing them to have more hardeners and damage mods then most proto tankers. They rarely role rail gun tanks but will often bring 3-4 proto blaster tanks to the field. When not using tank squads they will use the ,latest FoTM weapon, at this current time proto rail rifles, usually assault. Several of their members will also use core locus grenade spam so avoid bunching in groups, and remember that their blast radius is larger then other locus grenades. They are also well known users of the equipment lag glitch, however the recent patch seems to have fixed this to an extent. They will also commonly use cheap locations such as the mushroom top, or other unassaultable locations if the situation warrants. Most commonly found in ambush. Their actions warrant FW killing in my opinion Molon labe: Another proto group, currently quite fond of rolling squads of proto tanks, all blaster as observed thus far. Not to be under estimated out of their tanks, and often found squaring with or que syncing with other proto corps, including nyan. They also have several associated groups that occasionally role with them, however rest assured if you see at least 3 of these members, they are most likely in a squad of 6, from composed of lesser known allied corps or other proto corps, and most likely all running proto gear. They will also use mlt tanks once any possible enemy tank threat has been neutralized, so if you want to hurt them the worst, kill their initial tanks if you can. They are also known to utilize assault dropships and it is not uncommon for them to field 2 or more if they do. Found in ambush and doms. Also warrants faction warfare team killing. Ancient exiles: not as commonly found as the first two, squads and que syncing squads are still a regular occurance, and often consists of at least 1-2 tanks. Little other Intel is known of their tactics and associations with other corps, however they still pose a threat when found in public matches Sver True blood: A large corp with many members, not all of whome proto stomp, however when found In A full squad of their own it is more or less gaurenteed to consist of all proto players. When found they do not utilize tanks as much as the others, however that does not mean they will not do so. Their corps proto players seem quite fond of HMGs and it is not uncommon to find 2 or more protons backed by logo support. There are many many other corps in addition to these who engage in such actions, however these are the more common offenders. Other offending parties include (Place holder) I would offer isk bounties on these players however such is outside my budget at this time, if any body wishes to discuss become patron for such bounties however please message me in game. I will continue to update this as tactics, corps, and other information becomes available, and encourage players tobrag by provideing kill screens, information, and other such details pertaining to proto stompers. you do realize that if most of us see you and your corp now we'll run proto and bring out a f* ton of tank simply to wind you up now don't you? and if you die to my piece of c* tank (zero skills) you kinda deserved to die cos i'm an awful tanker... actually i'm a pretty awful FPS player too haha Real Gallente structure tank :)
Spaceman-Rob 334	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:37:00 - [74] - Quote WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER wrote: stop crying ... the entire point of this game is upgrading and customizing. if we earn the proto suit.. what do u think we have it for????????? TO USE IT!!!! not to use the advanced or basic versions .. when we have the top version of the suit we want. its not our fault u don't have the isk or the sp to run proto all the time... fact is .. we earned it.. & we shall use it.. play more and get boosters if that's what u need.. but stop crying * 31.7 mill sp and 227 mill isk .. WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER <--- PROTO ALL DAY!!!!! I really dont think you can afford to use proto if that was you getting an ass whooping from ancient exiles earlier today. I topped you and your squad on the scoreboard in my scout suit playing solo.
Astaroth King molon labe. Public Disorder. 12	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:45:00 - [75] - Quote So much butthurt from tryhards. PROTIP: YOU CAN'T CUE SYNC IN PUB MATCHES. Your just as likely to be pitted against the squad you're trying to sync with. Most people (in Molon) typically run bpo suits in pub matches - far from proto. I've received much hatemail from the children in Plan B - all it does is make me laugh and want to do it again. Is the corp called 'plan b' because their mothers should have taken a plan b pill? LOL. I went to this zoo the other day, All they had was a dog. It was a ShihTzu.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 58	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:54:00 - [76] - Quote That was actually me astatorth, and I sent out apologies earlier, as the hate mail was uncalled for. And there were 10 ofnou that match so regardless what Molson does normally do, they are still purveyors of the proto stomp, even if only occasionally. And when they do do it, is as bad as nyan or any others. We can't ignore it just be cause its done by one corp less then others. It would be a lesser form of ignoring a murderer who only murders some of the time. And I did just come out of match against a full squad of pro molons, it was fun, enjoyable, and we still lost. Teamwork is king regardless of fit as you all like to say, and its true and I prefer the fact that working together makes you more successful in this game. However rolling proto consistently and in outrageous numbers is just a stomping, and ruins the fun for the other 16 players n the other team, son why is it necessary for ANY corp to proto stomp when they can achieve the same results without it, and still let the other side have fun? Except in response to enemy protons which I concur with whole heartedly.
Jake Bloodworth molon labe. Public Disorder. 275	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:55:00 - [77] - Quote Sweet! We made the list of shame. Surely the masses will rise up and end our reign of terror. Who am I kidding, these are the same masses that can't be bothered to find friends to play with or can't afford proto gear. So these masses are really just a bunch of angry solo players attempting to force a portion of the playerbase to play "fair." And who ever thought up this lie of us squaring/syncing with Nyain San? I see more of those guys tearing it up solo then I see squads. You should also consider that corps like Molon Labe are the lifeblood of this game until CCP gets it fixed. Active corps are the best new berry medicine. So, instead of spreading your anti-proto cancer, you should take your fellow corp mates and join a good corp that trains their players to survive as opposed to enabling them as they shed their sweet, sweet tears.
Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 170	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:19:00 - [78] - Quote Can confirm ancient exiles resorts to proto pubstomping. We do it because we are bad at this game. Hell, we resort to glitching to win when we are threatened. You heard it here first. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:30:00 - [79] - Quote You know, I hear alot about proto stomping. Hell, I've even been a the forward of these complaints. But really, you all need to stop fighting amongst youselves. The REAL problems are A. Population. You see going into matches against "proto stompers" as a newbie is a death sentence. You guys just annhilate them and they quit playing because they can't do anything due to poor spawns (Ambush) or Spawn campers. Most of which is done by those listed, make an excuse, go ahead flame on but you know spawn camping is wrong and you are just a little pansay for doing it. Which brings me to my point. The people on the receiving end of this get frustrated. In ambush its not their fault that pushing triangle spawns them where the largest group of teammates are. It frustrates new players to the point that they leave and never come back. It's easy for those of you with high SP to say they were too weak, but you don't see it from their POV because most of you started at the beginning. They have no skill bonuses, so your excuse that you can still do well in STD suits is immediately moot. They leave and the Population does not grow. That brings me to B. B. With the game Pop. not growing you are going to face these guys more and more. That is what they want. They have no lives, no one loves them, so they make a struggling game unpleasant so they can be the best guy ever. They make it so people who try it out don't want to come back thus stopping any progress and improvements that could be made to the game. So how are you going to improve on matchmaking when the results will be the same as now. The smaller the pop, the more likely you are to run into them. Simple. I'm sorry but unless PVE is implemented I can't see Dust 514 surviving much longer. PVE is the only thing I can think of to bring in new playes that these scumbags won't be able to interfere. Stay Frosty LowKiie
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:33:00 - [80] - Quote You know, I hear alot about proto stomping. Hell, I've even been a the forward of these complaints. But really, you all need to stop fighting amongst youselves. The REAL problems are A. Population. You see going into matches against "proto stompers" as a newbie is a death sentence. You guys just annhilate them and they quit playing because they can't do anything due to poor spawns (Ambush) or Spawn campers. Most of which is done by those listed, make an excuse, go ahead flame on but you know spawn camping is wrong and you are just a little pansay for doing it. Which brings me to my point. The people on the receiving end of this get frustrated. In ambush its not their fault that pushing triangle spawns them where the largest group of teammates are. It frustrates new players to the point that they leave and never come back. It's easy for those of you with high SP to say they were too weak, but you don't see it from their POV because most of you started at the beginning. They have no skill bonuses, so your excuse that you can still do well in STD suits is immediately moot. They leave and the Population does not grow. That brings me to B. B. With the game Pop. not growing you are going to face these guys more and more. That is what they want. They have no lives, no one loves them, so they make a struggling game unpleasant so they can be the best guy ever. They make it so people who try it out don't want to come back thus stopping any progress and improvements that could be made to the game. So how are you going to improve on matchmaking when the results will be the same as now. The smaller the pop, the more likely you are to run into them. Simple. I'm sorry but unless PVE is implemented I can't see Dust 514 surviving much longer. PVE is the only thing I can think of to bring in new playes that these scumbags won't be able to interfere. Stay Frosty LowKiie

Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 47	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:37:00 - [81] - Quote Also, One Corp that did not make the list is FACTION WARFARE ARMY. I have personally witnessed them clone sabatoging in Gallente FW. They come in on Gallente's side with a full squad and suicide and clone out gallente. THAT is underhanded and straight up exploiting.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3369	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:39:00 - [82] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim wrote: Slim Winning wrote: What about Imperfects? Just one of them can cause as much havock as a squad of the other guys. I get more concerned about just one Imperfect than a team of Nyain San. devonus doesn't know who the Imperfects are. And the odds of seeing an Imp in a PUB match is extremely rare. Heck, the only imps I've ever seen in a PUB were Alldin and ReGYnuM. You haven't seen Kryptix (I apologize if I spell that wrong ) or YoungcuZ? Well actually, I know I've run into a lot more imps than just Alldin and Regynum, but they are the only ones I remember seeing in PUBs. Oh, and Kain. CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR Scrubs and Tank Spammers, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 87	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:41:00 - [83] - Quote J0hlss0n wrote: Well, if you see me on the other team in a pub match (or on your team), dont worry about me using proto, never go beyond advanced in pubs, that goes with modules/extenders etc also... with the exception of a proto forge on a advanced suit, that is needed in these days of tanks. =P If true you might be the only Molon with my respect
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 404	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:43:00 - [84] - Quote Lowkiie wrote: You know, I hear alot about proto stomping. Hell, I've even been a the forward of these complaints. But really, you all need to stop fighting amongst youselves. The REAL problems are A. Population. You see going into matches against "proto stompers" as a newbie is a death sentence. You guys just annhilate them and they quit playing because they can't do anything due to poor spawns (Ambush) or Spawn campers. Most of which is done by those listed, make an excuse, go ahead flame on but you know spawn camping is wrong and you are just a little pansay for doing it. Which brings me to my point. The people on the receiving end of this get frustrated. In ambush its not their fault that pushing triangle spawns them where the largest group of teammates are. It frustrates new players to the point that they leave and never come back. It's easy for those of you with high SP to say they were too weak, but you don't see it from their POV because most of you started at the beginning. They have no skill bonuses, so your excuse that you can still do well in STD suits is immediately moot. They leave and the Population does not grow. That brings me to B. B. With the game Pop. not growing you are going to face these guys more and more. That is what they want. They have no lives, no one loves them, so they make a struggling game unpleasant so they can be the best guy ever. They make it so people who try it out don't want to come back thus stopping any progress and improvements that could be made to the game. So how are you going to improve on matchmaking when the results will be the same as now. The smaller the pop, the more likely you are to run into them. Simple. I'm sorry but unless PVE is implemented I can't see Dust 514 surviving much longer. PVE is the only thing I can think of to bring in new playes that these scumbags won't be able to interfere. Stay Frosty LowKiie They need a better alternative, if they brought back corp battles and gave them better rewards, say each side puts up 3-5 million and the winner takes all, corps would have something better to do. Making it all or nothing isk wise would make each side fight harder thus making it more competitive which will draw the high end players. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 60	Posted - 2014.01.12 03:48:00 - [85] - Quote Lowkiie wrote: Also, One Corp that did not make the list is FACTION WARFARE ARMY. I have personally witnessed them clone sabatoging in Gallente FW. They come in on Gallente's side with a full squad and suicide and clone out gallente. THAT is underhanded and straight up exploiting.
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2014.01.12 04:00:00 - [86] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Lowkiie wrote: You know, I hear alot about proto stomping. Hell, I've even been a the forward of these complaints. But really, you all need to stop fighting amongst youselves. The REAL problems are A. Population. You see going into matches against "proto stompers" as a newbie is a death sentence. You guys just annhilate them and they quit playing because they can't do anything due to poor spawns (Ambush) or Spawn campers. Most of which is done by those listed, make an excuse, go ahead flame on but you know spawn camping is wrong and you are just a little pansay for doing it. Which brings me to my point. The people on the receiving end of this get frustrated. In ambush its not their fault that pushing triangle spawns them where the largest group of teammates are. It frustrates new players to the point that they leave and never come back. It's easy for those of you with high SP to say they were too weak, but you don't see it from their POV because most of you started at the beginning. They have no skill bonuses, so your excuse that you can still do well in STD suits is immediately moot. They leave and the Population does not grow. That brings me to B. B. With the game Pop. not growing you are going to face these guys more and more. That is what they want. They have no lives, no one loves them, so they make a struggling game unpleasant so they can be the best guy ever. They make it so people who try it out don't want to come back thus stopping any progress and improvements that could be made to the game. So how are you going to improve on matchmaking when the results will be the same as now. The smaller the pop, the more likely you are to run into them. Simple. I'm sorry but unless PVE is implemented I can't see Dust 514 surviving much longer. PVE is the only thing I can think of to bring in new playes that these scumbags won't be able to interfere. Stay Frosty LowKiie They need a better alternative, if they brought back corp battles and gave them better rewards, say each side puts up 3-5 million and the winner takes all, corps would have something better to do. Making it all or nothing isk wise would make each side fight harder thus making it more competitive which will draw the high end players. Again, it would not make much of a diff. Most of these guys want to stop new players from staying. New players mean a possible threat to them and their KDR. They don't want more competition. They want to be on top and stay there. PVE would put newbies in a place beyond their reach. Thus frustrating and upsetting them, which would make me smile and laugh.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 405	Posted - 2014.01.12 04:05:00 - [87] - Quote Lowkiie wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Lowkiie wrote: You know, I hear alot about proto stomping. Hell, I've even been a the forward of these complaints. But really, you all need to stop fighting amongst youselves. The REAL problems are A. Population. You see going into matches against "proto stompers" as a newbie is a death sentence. You guys just annhilate them and they quit playing because they can't do anything due to poor spawns (Ambush) or Spawn campers. Most of which is done by those listed, make an excuse, go ahead flame on but you know spawn camping is wrong and you are just a little pansay for doing it. Which brings me to my point. The people on the receiving end of this get frustrated. In ambush its not their fault that pushing triangle spawns them where the largest group of teammates are. It frustrates new players to the point that they leave and never come back. It's easy for those of you with high SP to say they were too weak, but you don't see it from their POV because most of you started at the beginning. They have no skill bonuses, so your excuse that you can still do well in STD suits is immediately moot. They leave and the Population does not grow. That brings me to B. B. With the game Pop. not growing you are going to face these guys more and more. That is what they want. They have no lives, no one loves them, so they make a struggling game unpleasant so they can be the best guy ever. They make it so people who try it out don't want to come back thus stopping any progress and improvements that could be made to the game. So how are you going to improve on matchmaking when the results will be the same as now. The smaller the pop, the more likely you are to run into them. Simple. I'm sorry but unless PVE is implemented I can't see Dust 514 surviving much longer. PVE is the only thing I can think of to bring in new playes that these scumbags won't be able to interfere. Stay Frosty LowKiie They need a better alternative, if they brought back corp battles and gave them better rewards, say each side puts up 3-5 million and the winner takes all, corps would have something better to do. Making it all or nothing isk wise would make each side fight harder thus making it more competitive which will draw the high end players. Again, it would not make much of a diff. Most of these guys want to stop new players from staying. New players mean a possible threat to them and their KDR. They don't want more competition. They want to be on top and stay there. PVE would put newbies in a place beyond their reach. Thus frustrating and upsetting them, which would make me smile and laugh. I am sure that's the case and cause of a lot of pubstomping, but I am sure there is a big enough percentage that end up doing it because faction warfare and PC aren't exactly great game modes. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
oooooooooooo 111111111111 molon labe. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2014.01.12 04:26:00 - [88] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: J0hlss0n wrote: Well, if you see me on the other team in a pub match (or on your team), dont worry about me using proto, never go beyond advanced in pubs, that goes with modules/extenders etc also... with the exception of a proto forge on a advanced suit, that is needed in these days of tanks. =P If true you might be the only Molon with my respect I run basically the same things as johlson its just our logis are mad evil...
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 60	Posted - 2014.01.12 04:41:00 - [89] - Quote Second post will now reflect member specific data when it becomes available.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1898	Posted - 2014.01.12 04:46:00 - [90] - Quote Crybabies HTFU. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!

Thor Odinson42 molon labe. Public Disorder. 2510	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:03:00 - [91] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I'm not sure where you're getting your "observations" from.... We don't queue sync with Nyan San. We don't queue sync much at all (it's literally been months since I've seen us do that, and we did it to practice intra squad tactics for PC). If you don't like our proto suits (or those of us that run them), kill us enough to warrant stop using them. Until then, you'll have to accept my apology for our killing you so much it warrants public QQ....or consider our squads a challenge to try to overcome....Leadfoot Well the match me and Thor are referencing had 10 of you.... so -shrugs- I know coincidences happen but its also not the first time. And no thnx Thor. I'm not saying your bad people. I actually know a few cool people from most of those corps, it doesn't change my opinion of the general tactics employed, even if only occasionally. And considering I spammed all 10 of you with hate mail, I doubt I would receive a happy welcome. We Qsync some into FW, but we don't into pubs. But take a look at the monthly and weekly leaderboards, we have easily the most active corp in Dust. Lots of our vets still play the game. We are a PC corp, but people are just trying to have fun in pubs. When FW gets ironed out I'm sure it'll take some of the pressure off of pub stomping. I like running proto. I love all my badass equipment. I like being able to keep the heavy I'm following alive. I love good fights. I like when both sides go balls to the wall for the win. I'm not trying to recruit here, but there are some good corps out there. Being in a bigger pool of active, skilled, and experienced players will obviously improve the odds of you getting stomped on. Can't beat em join em..... sorry ass solution to the problem. Joining one of the many corps that play the game using team play wouldn't joining the problem it would be a proper introduction to Dust 514. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 87	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:06:00 - [92] - Quote oooooooooooo 111111111111 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: J0hlss0n wrote: Well, if you see me on the other team in a pub match (or on your team), dont worry about me using proto, never go beyond advanced in pubs, that goes with modules/extenders etc also... with the exception of a proto forge on a advanced suit, that is needed in these days of tanks. =P If true you might be the only Molon with my respect I run basically the same things as johlson its just our logis are mad evil... Then you both have my respect!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 60	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:06:00 - [93] - Quote Join us or die, sounds very nazishl to me. I shouldn't have to join a top 50 corp to have fun, and considering the tactics they use I would never join them.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 60	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:08:00 - [94] - Quote OK with well some top 50s yes, not saying the top 50 corps are all cheap, but its still a moot point if I have to join a larger better equipped corp just to have fun. And PS I still wouldn't have fun Cruz even if my other 5 squad mates are running full proto and owning I won't keep or gain half as much experience or have half as much fun. Since I'm lesser equipped experienced and they will kill everything before I can. I have done it, by accident, running solo where I'm on the same side as the somoes, and its bloodyboring.
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 51	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:13:00 - [95] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Crybabies HTFU. I'm looking out for the new players and for Dust 514. I'm sick of cocky little pricks who hinder the progress of a game by jumping into a thread as fast as they can to talk down to people who want to see the game do well. So flamers STFU. We are here to figure out a way past you pricks. Don't like it? HTFU. Morons
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 88	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:17:00 - [96] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Join us or die, sounds very nazishl to me. I shouldn't have to join a top 50 corp to have fun, and considering the tactics they use I would never join them. I know the feeling it sucks to basically be forced to join top corps/ have proto to have fun.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1583	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:30:00 - [97] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell; Fatal Absolution; Spams gunlogis with particle cannons (triple hardened) Also likes spamming boundless mass drivers, locus grenades, and is quite fond of the rail rifle. Likes to roll in full vehicle squads with 3 ADS and 3 tanks - all complex and proto modules/turrets. Be warned: TEAMWORK IS 0P AND NEEDS A NERF, AS WELL AS A BUFF TO ITS COUNTER. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. Public Disorder. 2511	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:33:00 - [98] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Join us or die, sounds very nazishl to me. I shouldn't have to join a top 50 corp to have fun, and considering the tactics they use I would never join them. If you read my comments previous to that one I complemented your squad on playing hard. I'm putting you in the group that's playing the right way. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. Public Disorder. 2511	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:35:00 - [99] - Quote devonus durga wrote: OK with well some top 50s yes, not saying the top 50 corps are all cheap, but its still a moot point if I have to join a larger better equipped corp just to have fun. And PS I still wouldn't have fun Cruz even if my other 5 squad mates are running full proto and owning I won't keep or gain half as much experience or have half as much fun. Since I'm lesser equipped experienced and they will kill everything before I can. I have done it, by accident, running solo where I'm on the same side as the somoes, and its bloodyboring. By that logic wouldn't all the guys running BPOs for months be gods by now? ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 406	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:50:00 - [100] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Join us or die, sounds very nazishl to me. I shouldn't have to join a top 50 corp to have fun, and considering the tactics they use I would never join them. If you read my comments previous to that one I complemented your squad on playing hard. I'm putting you in the group that's playing the right way. This is New Edan, a sand box there is no right way. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles

zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 33	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:53:00 - [101] - Quote Sometimes I like to use my Krin's and ishukone smg if I'm feeling saucy and confident. CEO of Horizons' Edge mercenary division Don't let me into my zone.
Bugz The Rabbit L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 0	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:55:00 - [102] - Quote I like my proto gear... and I use it, all the time yay for proto gear :D
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 63	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:56:00 - [103] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Join us or die, sounds very nazishl to me. I shouldn't have to join a top 50 corp to have fun, and considering the tactics they use I would never join them. If you read my comments previous to that one I complemented your squad on playing hard. I'm putting you in the group that's playing the right way. And that's the problem, even running the right way, there is no competition. I burned through 400k risk trying to fight back that round, running with my whole squad pulling out the stops. We still stood no chance, there was no challenge, no fun, nothing, it was me and t of my corp mates pounding our head off the wall of 10 proto molons because we could only field maybe field 3 advance suits, and no protons. It sucked, period, and if it was an uncommon experience I would OK fine, so their out of ourleague and they beat us, but its practicy every damb match except on the weekends when the weekend warrior newberries come out to play since its the weekend. And I have a Corp, I have a moderate amount of experience sp and isk to throw around. But most of the people you steam role DONT, and they leave the game. I have lost 3 corp members this week be cause they just hated the game. What was I suppose to tell them? Don't worry it doesn't happen often? Because if it can happen 5 matches in a bloody row against different groups it sure as hell does. To stick around d through this **** for 6 months so that they can have the equipment and experience to compete? To go spend money on this game just so they can have a chance to possibly, maybe, if in a good squad, enjoy the game? Inwoukdnt drop a dime on this game since I know that I'll get rolled over in at least half the matches I play.
Bugz The Rabbit L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 0	Posted - 2014.01.12 05:59:00 - [104] - Quote I has cirius question 4 u... do you not has proto gear to use in such cases as "proto stompers" are swallowing you? hrmmm becuz when I fights proto suits I switch to proto suit and continue to be awesome ;) maybe?
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 63	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:09:00 - [105] - Quote Bugz The Rabbit wrote: I has cirius question 4 u... do you not has proto gear to use in such cases as "proto stompers" are swallowing you? hrmmm becuz when I fights proto suits I switch to proto suit and continue to be awesome ;) maybe? Lol, nope no proto, full advance suit that's bout it, and just shows that to complete, to have fun, you have to wait 6 months. Explaining that to newberries, corp mates, and other people is just getting old, and most of em quit at that point and I don't blame them in the slightest. I sure as hell wouldn't want to grind through 6 months of getting my ass kicked just to be able to enjoy a game. (I only made it this far BC I started with 2.5 m sp from passive sp or some open beta reward idk} I can enjoy the game now because I know how to and who to avoid if I don't feel like dealing with stompers, and know how to fight back if I do. Not everyone wants to have to do those things to enjoy the game, they shouldn't have to leave match and try to find another one just to have fun (and I have had to leave 3 matches in a row thanks to proto stompers I saw n the other team), I shouldn't have to run a suicidal remote explosive scout and die 10time to get one kill ( though t does add a little to the satisfaction of that kill, its usually just plain frustrating} On a side note, I won't be sleeping during 5x sp week, so I'll be fielding my own proto gear soonGäó hopefully.
Bugz The Rabbit L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 0	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:16:00 - [106] - Quote uggh man that's exactly what I thought was the case here... some jealousy rage well... dude to say it simply and still pretend to be nice... you're not mad at people using proto gear, your mad because you can't use proto gear right? cuz u said it just now yourself bro in your post " I won't be sleeping during 5x sp week so ill be fielding my own proto gear soon" ... ... nuff said man u will become the very thing you hate... so why hate at all just get ur gear and shoot back....
Lucrezia LeGrand 203	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:47:00 - [107] - Quote was hoping to find a list of names to see if I recognize anyone... but nope. T-T thread name is misleading. ya- hoi hoi
Lowkiie KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 52	Posted - 2014.01.12 07:06:00 - [108] - Quote I'm sorry? Mr. Trollz the rabbit is it? While this thread has taken a bit of a downward turn. It is still a problem. I started back in closed beta so I can't even imagine what these guys are going through who're just fresh outta the Academy. It's not fun for someone to get thier ass handed to them day in and day out. It's not fun to pump 40 rounds out and have it barely scratch him, it's not fun to try as hard as you possibly can to try and make a difference in a battle and not be able to even move without dying. But it is also CCP's fault for not taking the proper steps to avoid this. Green horns need a place of thier own, where they can hone thier skills. Dust 514 should have a ranking system.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 406	Posted - 2014.01.12 07:09:00 - [109] - Quote Bugz The Rabbit wrote: uggh man that's exactly what I thought was the case here... some jealousy rage well... dude to say it simply and still pretend to be nice... you're not mad at people using proto gear, your mad because you can't use proto gear right? cuz u said it just now yourself bro in your post " I won't be sleeping during 5x sp week so ill be fielding my own proto gear soon" ... ... nuff said man u will become the very thing you hate... so why hate at all just get ur gear and shoot back.... oh and yes it sucked getting my pride stepped on all the time by people using gear they've played to earn but man..... it's just a part of the game... I have and use full proto gear mods etc etc... but... but... I still get whipped pretty good by people who are just downright awesome... ;) that's life and sometimes if u stand upto a bully... they punch you right in the face ;) true story... so hit the gym and punch them back .. later... when their not lookin.... hahahahahaha j/k don't do that You've... added... a...lot ...to ...this... conversation... Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1608	Posted - 2014.01.12 07:39:00 - [110] - Quote survival of the fittest, apparently most of you won't survive. some are the lambs, and some are the wolves, and some are the wolves that the alpha wolves eats when they are hungry.

Waiyu Ren Immortal Guides 0	Posted - 2014.01.12 08:28:00 - [111] - Quote I've been playing for about a month now, so i thought i might jump in in the hopes i might say something relevant..... I'm probably not the best person to chime in with any weight though given the length of time i've been playing, so take with a grain of salt. Q: Aim assist.... At what point does it override what seems like an auto-nerf to a new player's natural ability (good or bad) at aiming, due to having to skill into weapon proficiency and sharpshooting in order for the rounds fired to go where they are pointed? At around 2 million SP to get a gun to hit the target under your crosshair more often than not, even if the target is standing still.... It seems pretty harsh. (And speaking of Aim Assist; at no point have i noticed even a slight crosshair jump that i would associate with such a thing, though honestly i've not turned it off to look for a difference....) As to Proto-stomping.... It's a bit irritating at times, but some of the time getting utterly thrashed will actually drive me to push through more games for the active SP gain. Though I definitely have more fun when the match is challenging, yet potentially winnable. But that requires the teams to be roughly balanced in terms of SP, though not so much in terms of gear, as from what i've seen people that have the base SP necessary to run Proto, have the base SP to punch with 15+% more damage than i can regardless of gear anyway! :) Being kicked out of the "training missions" and into the full game environment after only a couple of games is WAY too soon i think.... The game is a lot more complicated than it seems on the surface, with all fittings and tactics being valid in the newbie's eyes until proven otherwise by repeated instances of death. Just my opinion, and subject to change without notice. :) P.s: I'm an active proponent of running solo. The meatgrinder that is soloing in PUB has the steepest learning curve IMO, and therefore forces you to learn fast or die failing. Currently i've been Dying/Failing more than Fastly Learning, but i'm a stubborn guy so i'll stick with it!
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 224	Posted - 2014.01.12 09:48:00 - [112] - Quote Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot
Nirwanda Vaughns 264	Posted - 2014.01.12 10:25:00 - [113] - Quote in all honesty it sounds more to do with the bad matchmaking system than corps running proto or not and someone with lower sp got their a handed to them. it happens and i know from experience with friends that it can discourage newer players. i finally convinced a bunch of friends to sign up or come back on after a few months break to try the game and i was running a low sp alt so we all had around 2mill sp and our first match planted us in an ambush with 2 full squads of Rainbow Effect back when they were running Ambs with vehicles and proto fittings and we went 0:80 on our team and from the look of the player table everyone on ourside was in starter corps. yeah our corp and myself run proto from time to time. i have around 26 different fits i can use in a match for dropping uplinks, hives, full logi, heavy and a slayer logi as well as bpo suits. you might get killed while am in my proto suit but be in wrong place at wrong time because the next minute al be running around in my templar sentinel with an exile but if i choose to use proto then thats up to me. i've played and grinded my a off to get to the 36m sp i have to use the suits i have effectivly and to earn the isk i do to run the proto suits. soetimes i can lose 2mill a match but if the match is a good battle i don't care. over the past few weeks my corp and myself have been in some great battles where its been really close and sometimes we won, sometimes we lost and we've gone 20+ kills and 10+ deaths on each side but so we come to the forums to whine about it? nah we send a GG to the other team cos they got their act together and retaliated. DUST is primarily a squad based shooter and working together is in most part essential to win against a team of peopel who are working together. all you shy bluedots who are afraid to get on comms just need to grow a set and start playing together Proto and proud!!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 68	Posted - 2014.01.12 10:39:00 - [114] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 68	Posted - 2014.01.12 10:57:00 - [115] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: in all honesty it sounds more to do with the bad matchmaking system than corps running proto or not and someone with lower sp got their a handed to them. it happens and i know from experience with friends that it can discourage newer players. i finally convinced a bunch of friends to sign up or come back on after a few months break to try the game and i was running a low sp alt so we all had around 2mill sp and our first match planted us in an ambush with 2 full squads of Rainbow Effect back when they were running Ambs with vehicles and proto fittings and we went 0:80 on our team and from the look of the player table everyone on ourside was in starter corps. yeah our corp and myself run proto from time to time. i have around 26 different fits i can use in a match for dropping uplinks, hives, full logi, heavy and a slayer logi as well as bpo suits. you might get killed while am in my proto suit but be in wrong place at wrong time because the next minute al be running around in my templar sentinel with an exile but if i choose to use proto then thats up to me. i've played and grinded my a off to get to the 36m sp i have to use the suits i have effectivly and to earn the isk i do to run the proto suits. soetimes i can lose 2mill a match but if the match is a good battle i don't care. over the past few weeks my corp and myself have been in some great battles where its been really close and sometimes we won, sometimes we lost and we've gone 20+ kills and 10+ deaths on each side but so we come to the forums to whine about it? nah we send a GG to the other team cos they got their act together and retaliated. DUST is primarily a squad based shooter and working together is in most part essential to win against a team of peopel who are working together. all you shy bluedots who are afraid to get on comms just need to grow a set and start playing together Once again the issue is not proto equipment, teamwork, or anything else. It is those blatentky and REPETITIVELY make the game worse form others, by doing such things as running only proto and the like, For all those of you who don't seem to get it. Next time your squad is against nyan San, role basic gear. No advance no nothing else, just basic. And your whole squad has to do it, not just one person, whole damb squad. Remember that match, and imagine havinfg to repeat the same damb match over and over and o er for the next six months. And then remember that all those millions of sp actually make your basic the equivalent of an advance. You all came up together, skilled up together, been running for months and months and months. When you first started his game you were all equal, well equaled. I have yet to hear one person defend the actions of these people that has less the 10m sp. You realize there is a reason no one has? You all defend yourself but none of you have experienced anything similar to the current state of the game for newberries. Perhaps 1.7 made it worse with the addition of the vehicle spam, but proto stomping has always been an issue, and will continue to be till matchmaking is improved. We all know matchmaking is an issue, both sides keep pointing it out, fine, but till CCP gets off their ass and fixes it its OK to just let it to continue to happen? I guess that's as good a reason to justify murder, no one stopped me.
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 14	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:09:00 - [116] - Quote I got the same people on my list, I have a small crew that deals with this scum, they are ruining the game you have my support
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 14	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:12:00 - [117] - Quote calisk galern wrote: survival of the fittest, apparently most of you won't survive. some are the lambs, and some are the wolves, and some are the wolves that the alpha wolves eats when they are hungry. this is a videogames, new players will get fed up and leave, have fun ruining the game it won't last, 4000 players and dropping every day
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 14	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:17:00 - [118] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Bugz The Rabbit wrote: I has cirius question 4 u... do you not has proto gear to use in such cases as "proto stompers" are swallowing you? hrmmm becuz when I fights proto suits I switch to proto suit and continue to be awesome ;) maybe? Lol, nope no proto, full advance suit that's bout it, and just shows that to complete, to have fun, you have to wait 6 months. Explaining that to newberries, corp mates, and other people is just getting old, and most of em quit at that point and I don't blame them in the slightest. I sure as hell wouldn't want to grind through 6 months of getting my ass kicked just to be able to enjoy a game. (I only made it this far BC I started with 2.5 m sp from passive sp or some open beta reward idk} I can enjoy the game now because I know how to and who to avoid if I don't feel like dealing with stompers, and know how to fight back if I do. Not everyone wants to have to do those things to enjoy the game, they shouldn't have to leave match and try to find another one just to have fun (and I have had to leave 3 matches in a row thanks to proto stompers I saw n the other team), I shouldn't have to run a suicidal remote explosive scout and die 10time to get one kill ( though t does add a little to the satisfaction of that kill, its usually just plain frustrating} On a side note, I won't be sleeping during 5x sp week, so I'll be fielding my own proto gear soonGäó hopefully. I agree, these scumbags are ruining the game, and driving new players away, I prefer a diverse community, I like playing with and teaching new people, I can't stand playing with proto tryhards, they are bitches about dying they will do anything they can to avoid dying, they don't help there team, they rage too much, they always run FOTM fits, they jurt the diversity of the game, its all militai tanks and meduim suits with rail rifles or scramble or combat rifles All the fun roles like scouts and mass drivers are no fun anymore because the entire enemy team is running active scanners and FOTM fits, its ruining the game
Nirwanda Vaughns 264	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:18:00 - [119] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: in all honesty it sounds more to do with the bad matchmaking system than corps running proto or not and someone with lower sp got their a handed to them. it happens and i know from experience with friends that it can discourage newer players. i finally convinced a bunch of friends to sign up or come back on after a few months break to try the game and i was running a low sp alt so we all had around 2mill sp and our first match planted us in an ambush with 2 full squads of Rainbow Effect back when they were running Ambs with vehicles and proto fittings and we went 0:80 on our team and from the look of the player table everyone on ourside was in starter corps. yeah our corp and myself run proto from time to time. i have around 26 different fits i can use in a match for dropping uplinks, hives, full logi, heavy and a slayer logi as well as bpo suits. you might get killed while am in my proto suit but be in wrong place at wrong time because the next minute al be running around in my templar sentinel with an exile but if i choose to use proto then thats up to me. i've played and grinded my a off to get to the 36m sp i have to use the suits i have effectivly and to earn the isk i do to run the proto suits. soetimes i can lose 2mill a match but if the match is a good battle i don't care. over the past few weeks my corp and myself have been in some great battles where its been really close and sometimes we won, sometimes we lost and we've gone 20+ kills and 10+ deaths on each side but so we come to the forums to whine about it? nah we send a GG to the other team cos they got their act together and retaliated. DUST is primarily a squad based shooter and working together is in most part essential to win against a team of peopel who are working together. all you shy bluedots who are afraid to get on comms just need to grow a set and start playing together Once again the issue is not proto equipment, teamwork, or anything else. It is those blatentky and REPETITIVELY make the game worse form others, by doing such things as running only proto and the like, For all those of you who don't seem to get it. Next time your squad is against nyan San, role basic gear. No advance no nothing else, just basic. And your whole squad has to do it, not just one person, whole damb squad. Remember that match, and imagine havinfg to repeat the same damb match over and over and o er for the next six months. And then remember that all those millions of sp actually make your basic the equivalent of an advance. You all came up together, skilled up together, been running for months and months and months. When you first started his game you were all equal, well equaled. I have yet to hear one person defend the actions of these people that has less the 10m sp. You realize there is a reason no one has? You all defend yourself but none of you have experienced anything similar to the current state of the game for newberries. Perhaps 1.7 made it worse with the addition of the vehicle spam, but proto stomping has always been an issue, and will continue to be till matchmaking is improved. We all know matchmaking is an issue, both sides keep pointing it out, fine, but till CCP gets off their ass and fixes it its OK to just let it to continue to happen? I guess that's as good a reason to justify murder, no one stopped me. yup and thats why its more down to the match making than the corps who actually do it. we've been up against nyan and sver who were runnign proto and we've switched to our proto and given them hell but thats because most of us in molon have been playing the game since the Mordu's trials over 2yrs ago and we know each other so well. i've been in matches where even running full proto we've had our a** handed to us and i've cursed every name under the sun but coming to the forums whining about it just makes you look a lil whiney and pathetic. yes peopel run proto, boo-hoo, they were runnign proto back when i was still only in std and adv gear and i had a kdr of 0.27as a logi but as i've gotten better at the game and betetr equipment, suits and just simply a better gamer as time progressed my kdr has gone upto 1.24 over the past 8 months. early life in new eden sucks both in dust and eve. just use cheap stuff to build money up while you save sp up and try run with familiar members to work tactics up. if your seeign loads of tanks build a cheap AV fit up. spend 13k sp just getting standard swarms and put a couple damage mods on it and pester the tanks. at some point we were all 'useless blue dots' but instead of whining about it on the forums look at what could have been done. did you all just constantly throw yourselves into a heavuly defended area one by one isntead of re-groupoing? did you use scanners effectivly? are you all trying to be the hero and not repping each other? honestly if you want to jump into the public channel Thor posted come run with us a bit. we don't bite and you might find having some more experience players makes the game more fun. it did for me when i joined PRO (the corp most of molon is made up of) all those months ago and they helped me improve my game Proto and proud!!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 70	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:23:00 - [120] - Quote I know right? I'm about to start sending thank you messages to people who kill me with something other then a rail or combat rifle! Scramblers I don't actually mind to much, though I tink assault scrsmblers push it a bit.

Horizen Kenpachi TACTICAL STRIKE ELITE 89	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:34:00 - [121] - Quote There are no proto tanks u fools and when i squad with my corp i only use my best with my best buds they deserve my 100 percent dedication otherwise whats the point being in a corp Hit me with your nerf bat.
Nirwanda Vaughns 264	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:37:00 - [122] - Quote devonus durga wrote: I know right? I'm about to start sending thank you messages to people who kill me with something other then a rail or combat rifle! Scramblers I don't actually mind to much, though I tink assault scrsmblers push it a bit. have to admit i'm sick of seeing amarr heavy frames and adv rail rifles. other day i was in a match and got killed by 7 different guys each runnign exactly the same thing. problem is ccp pickup on why a certain wepaon is being over used and it'll get changed. then all them folk who rushed into skillign the new FOTM will be on here crying for a respec haha. one of the best things i did was get prof 5 on my assault rifle because then even your exiles become beasty (its worth picking up the starter pack simply for th eexile bpo lol) Proto and proud!!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 70	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:37:00 - [123] - Quote Nirwanda, I do run with experienced players, not often because I prefer to run with my corp mates if I can, but I do, and I do enjoy it. And I'm not that upset over it, I still love how everyone makes this out about me, when in my opinion I'm doing better then average for a newberry. I actually have a .78 kdr, 3500 kills, and .98 win loss ratio, with 331k wp generated, and only been playing science Christmas roughly. My butt is quite soft and pleasant and doesn't hurt much at all except after the occasional match. But I'm not your average player, I trow myself solo into ambush to get better, I grind out hours and hours of sp and ask, I theory craft while my corp dallies around and try to teach the newer players in our corp what I have learned from experience and the guidance of more experienced players. And then I rage as I watch countless matches where newberries, corp mates, friends, are brutalized put down, and frustrated for no other reason then that the players that have been here longer can do that to them. That is my issue, that is my butthurt, and that is the reason for this thread.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 70	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:41:00 - [124] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: There are no proto tanks u fools and when i squad with my corp i only use my best with my best buds they deserve my 100 percent dedication otherwise whats the point being in a corp No but there are tanks equipped with all proto modules and weapons, which is the proto tank ATM.
Nirwanda Vaughns 264	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:51:00 - [125] - Quote devonus durga wrote: rage as I watch countless matches where newberries, corp mates, friends, are brutalized put down, and frustrated for no other reason then that the players that have been here longer can do that to them. and thats exactly what CCP need to be looking at sorting the match making out because newer players are experiencing this far too much and its putting them off. out of the guys i got to try dust out none of them still play because they got sick of dying repeatedly in every game that they just went back to BF4 where its a little more balanced. no matter how much an amazingplayer you are if you only have 500k sp and your up against a squad of 35m sp guys you'll die a lot and if ccp want the player base to grow they need to spend some time balancing the new player experience because currently if you're a new player then the game isn't that fun and a do feel for ya, but with EVE/DUST the best way is to just talk to the guys who kick your a** or even try be friendly with them an drun with them. back in my first years of EVE i was mining in lowsec in a tempest (back when we didn't have mining barges) and i got ganked by 3 pirates whoc nuked my ship, podded me and cost me about 150mil isk. i was fuming at first!! i was so angry and annoyed i didn't play for a week hahaha but then i cooled down and began messaging one of the players who killed me and mentioned i was an industrial char and i could build them cheap ships to save money and over the next 3yrs i made billions from their wars as an outside contracter dust is different in that whereas battlefield and cod you run a match and games over, you get killed and then move on but with dust there is more of a long term plan you have to think about which makes it unique. alliances and corps are built on the playerbase coming together in the most varied ways Proto and proud!!
StoneSmasher Drugga Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2014.01.12 11:53:00 - [126] - Quote I only use starter fits so I don't offend anyone. There is no evil greater than hyperbole.
Mortedeamor 1216	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:33:00 - [127] - Quote wow the length of this qq well i must hand it to my fellow proto bears it is nice to see such tears spilled over you. op get over it oo psycho he uses a proto tank and? would you rather he spamm a fleet of mlt tanks that you still cant destroy because u suck and hes a good tanker? (+ all those tanking skills make his cheaper tanks that much better) thats what i do..i think all you puss's should stop crying about the people stomping in proto gear which is practically impossible to make a 24/7 profit in and hate those who have max specced suits and never use them. because they're adv and stnd gear is just that strong. do you hate the vet thats stomping in proto more or less than the vet thats stomping in proto and feels bad because of how much the enemy blows chunks and swaps to adv or stnd and continues to stomp? anyways good story nice solid qq definitely dust forum 2014 quality Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Mortedeamor 1216	Posted - 2014.01.12 12:34:00 - [128] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Nirwanda, I do run with experienced players, not often because I prefer to run with my corp mates if I can, but I do, and I do enjoy it. And I'm not that upset over it, I still love how everyone makes this out about me, when in my opinion I'm doing better then average for a newberry. I actually have a .78 kdr, 3500 kills, and .98 win loss ratio, with 331k wp generated, and only been playing science Christmas roughly. My butt is quite soft and pleasant and doesn't hurt much at all except after the occasional match. But I'm not your average player, I trow myself solo into ambush to get better, I grind out hours and hours of sp and ask, I theory craft while my corp dallies around and try to teach the newer players in our corp what I have learned from experience and the guidance of more experienced players. And then I rage as I watch countless matches where newberries, corp mates, friends, are brutalized put down, and frustrated for no other reason then that the players that have been here longer can do that to them. That is my issue, that is my butthurt, and that is the reason for this thread. sounds like u should rename this f u matchmaking lol Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Jake Bloodworth molon labe. Public Disorder. 276	Posted - 2014.01.12 13:37:00 - [129] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Join us or die, sounds very nazishl to me. I shouldn't have to join a top 50 corp to have fun, and considering the tactics they use I would never join them. If you read my comments previous to that one I complemented your squad on playing hard. I'm putting you in the group that's playing the right way. And that's the problem, even running the right way, there is no competition. I burned through 400k risk trying to fight back that round, running with my whole squad pulling out the stops. We still stood no chance, there was no challenge, no fun, nothing, it was me and t of my corp mates pounding our head off the wall of 10 proto molons because we could only field maybe field 3 advance suits, and no protons. It sucked, period, and if it was an uncommon experience I would OK fine, so their out of ourleague and they beat us, but its practicy every damb match except on the weekends when the weekend warrior newberries come out to play since its the weekend. And I have a Corp, I have a moderate amount of experience sp and isk to throw around. But most of the people you steam role DONT, and they leave the game. I have lost 3 corp members this week be cause they just hated the game. What was I suppose to tell them? Don't worry it doesn't happen often? Because if it can happen 5 matches in a bloody row against different groups it sure as hell does. To stick around d through this **** for 6 months so that they can have the equipment and experience to compete? To go spend money on this game just so they can have a chance to possibly, maybe, if in a good squad, enjoy the game? Inwoukdnt drop a dime on this game since I know that I'll get rolled over in at least half the matches I play. That is what Dust is though. Barring the introduction of PvE, that is what Dust will remain. If you think 400k isk is "pulling out the " stops", then you are in for a rude awakening should you ever decide to get serious sand join a solid corp. I appreciate your desire to play casually, but you can't expect everyone to feel that way. You came here to shame proto players. You only managed to shame yourself IMO.
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2137	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:05:00 - [130] - Quote dont worry its just as unfun for those of us who want to play causal, you want to win you have to go balls to wall in ever game mode and every match, the key problem of dust at the moment is winning or loseing in pub and faction is purely down to luck of the draw. dust has developed "over specialisation" the player counts are not high enough for amount of variables if the team bring something you dont have a current too you might as well quit the match "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers

CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 502	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:26:00 - [131] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: The only "problem corp" that needs to kicked to the curb is Duna Corp, and only because they insist on running six tanks every ambush game they play, and they play for hours sometimes. I made my peace with proto suits when I realised it was the teamwork that was getting me killed more than the better gear (although I acknowledge it does make a significan difference). I've yet to figure out how six tanks can be taken off the field when they're in your face within a minute of the match starting, but oh hum. Who wants to live forever? Good luck, anyway. You're going to need it. There's 900 noobs in that corp all being farmed for taxes. Give them a break. Met up with Duna Corp the other night in my tanker alt, myself and my main corp tanker took out 13 of their tanks while only losing one of ours. A couple skilled tankers will set them on their heels no problem... CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 502	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:33:00 - [132] - Quote WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER wrote: stop crying ... the entire point of this game is upgrading and customizing. if we earn the proto suit.. what do u think we have it for????????? TO USE IT!!!! not to use the advanced or basic versions .. when we have the top version of the suit we want. its not our fault u don't have the isk or the sp to run proto all the time... fact is .. we earned it.. & we shall use it.. play more and get boosters if that's what u need.. but stop crying * 31.7 mill sp and 227 mill isk .. WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER <--- PROTO ALL DAY!!!!! 33 mil sp~ 360 mil isk~ breaking proto in pubs everyday in BPO's properly skilled. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 291	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:58:00 - [133] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: U mad bro? With a name like that and the corp your in you shouldn't say anything. Dropship Surfer I will never stop killing you. Basically, kind of a big deal.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1571	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:16:00 - [134] - Quote It's matchmaking more than protostomping. I don't like protostomping myself but if scotty the tard would just take that squad of elite corp A and never ever put them on the same team as elite corp B, it would be fine. Proto players could kill eachother and the noobs could stay with the pack and do OK. That and PvE would make Dust a much friendlier place for new players. Also, I am not a current or former member of molon labe but I will vouch that they are not (at least most of them) a bunch of tryhard aholes and should not be on any list that includes Nyain San. Those guys drive me insane, they've ruined an entire game mode. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior level 1
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 123	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:38:00 - [135] - Quote Can we add The Generals to this list? I've be going against them in dominion all day today, games filled with massive tank spam and prototype gear Redlined and slaughtered the blueberries had no chance, its sad and pathetic
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 225	Posted - 2014.01.12 17:42:00 - [136] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1591	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:48:00 - [137] - Quote this is hilarious. EVeryone w/out proto QQs about it until they have it, then once they do, they never take it off bc of the power they get. Part of why we need tiercide! Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. Public Disorder. 2512	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:45:00 - [138] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Nirwanda, I do run with experienced players, not often because I prefer to run with my corp mates if I can, but I do, and I do enjoy it. And I'm not that upset over it, I still love how everyone makes this out about me, when in my opinion I'm doing better then average for a newberry. I actually have a .78 kdr, 3500 kills, and .98 win loss ratio, with 331k wp generated, and only been playing science Christmas roughly. My butt is quite soft and pleasant and doesn't hurt much at all except after the occasional match. But I'm not your average player, I trow myself solo into ambush to get better, I grind out hours and hours of sp and ask, I theory craft while my corp dallies around and try to teach the newer players in our corp what I have learned from experience and the guidance of more experienced players. And then I rage as I watch countless matches where newberries, corp mates, friends, are brutalized put down, and frustrated for no other reason then that the players that have been here longer can do that to them. That is my issue, that is my butthurt, and that is the reason for this thread. Keep playing as hard as you are and the time will come. I appreciate the grind now, I've got 35 mil and can bring all sorts of roles to the battlefield. Playing in a squad and learning together is how it's supposed to be done. Don't get cheap and look for quirky ways to get cheap kills. Keep banging away like you are and you'll be better for it. It's better that you are here bitching than quitting. We've all been there. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. Public Disorder. 2512	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:52:00 - [139] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: devonus durga wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Join us or die, sounds very nazishl to me. I shouldn't have to join a top 50 corp to have fun, and considering the tactics they use I would never join them. If you read my comments previous to that one I complemented your squad on playing hard. I'm putting you in the group that's playing the right way. And that's the problem, even running the right way, there is no competition. I burned through 400k risk trying to fight back that round, running with my whole squad pulling out the stops. We still stood no chance, there was no challenge, no fun, nothing, it was me and t of my corp mates pounding our head off the wall of 10 proto molons because we could only field maybe field 3 advance suits, and no protons. It sucked, period, and if it was an uncommon experience I would OK fine, so their out of ourleague and they beat us, but its practicy every damb match except on the weekends when the weekend warrior newberries come out to play since its the weekend. And I have a Corp, I have a moderate amount of experience sp and isk to throw around. But most of the people you steam role DONT, and they leave the game. I have lost 3 corp members this week be cause they just hated the game. What was I suppose to tell them? Don't worry it doesn't happen often? Because if it can happen 5 matches in a bloody row against different groups it sure as hell does. To stick around d through this **** for 6 months so that they can have the equipment and experience to compete? To go spend money on this game just so they can have a chance to possibly, maybe, if in a good squad, enjoy the game? Inwoukdnt drop a dime on this game since I know that I'll get rolled over in at least half the matches I play. That is what Dust is though. Barring the introduction of PvE, that is what Dust will remain. If you think 400k isk is "pulling out the " stops", then you are in for a rude awakening should you ever decide to get serious sand join a solid corp. I appreciate your desire to play casually, but you can't expect everyone to feel that way. You came here to shame proto players. You only managed to shame yourself IMO. I think he's a very good example of what happens before people resort to roof camping and redline sniping. Changing the way payouts work would give more people incentive to push despite overwhelming odds. I think payouts and incentives are the thing that's off in Dust. There are plenty of capable mercs in most of these pub matches that turn one sided. It's my opinion that they choose no to risk anything because it's economically wiser to just hide out and wait for the match to end. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. Public Disorder. 2512	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:53:00 - [140] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Member specific details. Nyain San Pu-taaaann: spams core locus grenades Milkman- proto equipped madrugar blaster hav Molon labe Psychotic shooter: proto equipped madruga blast have, spawn camps in ambush and blind fires. Demons garwulff: advanced equipped missile tank, possibly has proto equipment on tank as well. Those two aren't in our corp I'd damn sure welcome them if you know something I don't. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott

devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 74	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:09:00 - [141] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Member specific details. Nyain San Pu-taaaann: spams core locus grenades Milkman- proto equipped madrugar blaster hav Molon labe Psychotic shooter: proto equipped madruga blast have, spawn camps in ambush and blind fires. Demons garwulff: advanced equipped missile tank, possibly has proto equipment on tank as well. Those two aren't in our corp I'd damn sure welcome them if you know something I don't. I will have to double check it I'm pretty sure they were in Molon, I'll confirm my information and update. Removed Molson from the main list, however still on the known list, as weather acidently due to matchmaking and number of squads running, coincidence, or just a few oddball members who engage in it, your corp does occasionally do it and warrants mentioning. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 7 page debate, and still growing!
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 154	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:14:00 - [142] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot Really...because I know a few guys in your corp who not only admit to protostomping but will call out the ones who do also. So basically your statement can be blown apart by members of your own corp. Nice try though.
TunRa NEW OMENS 358	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:17:00 - [143] - Quote Proto heavy logi squad here we go! Thanks CCP Foxfour
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5592	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:17:00 - [144] - Quote I shall use every proto suit in my arsenal if I see you on the field. Its not really that these guys need proto to carry them...its that in EVE, just like in Dust you reach a certain point when you are successful enough that you just need to use your ISK..... and why not use the best money can buy. HTFU mate, this is New Eden, its not fair, skill into your own proto and get this damn esports honour mentality out of your mind. Sig wanted......
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2725	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:26:00 - [145] - Quote Slim Winning wrote: What about Imperfects? Just one of them can cause as much havock as a squad of the other guys. I get more concerned about just one Imperfect than a team of Nyain San. Ignore this merc. He's delusional. Imperfects don't play DUST. Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 74	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:27:00 - [146] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I shall use every proto suit in my arsenal if I see you on the field. Its not really that these guys need proto to carry them...its that in EVE, just like in Dust you reach a certain point when you are successful enough that you just need to use your ISK..... and why not use the best money can buy. HTFU mate, this is New Eden, its not fair, skill into your own proto and get this damn esports honour mentality out of your mind. That's fine, and I'll enjoy trying to blow you up with R/Es Long as its not a whole team worth of proto or a squad worth using cheap tactics Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 7 page debate, and still growing!
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 225	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:48:00 - [147] - Quote excillon wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot Really...because I know a few guys in your corp who not only admit to protostomping but will call out the ones who do also. So basically your statement can be blown apart by members of your own corp. Nice try though. Really? Who do you know? Names, please. Sure, we have a few guys who run proto suits -- myself included. Any corp or player that's been around enough to get proto suits has done it. Nowhere has anyone denied our behavior, by the way, and to the contrary -- we will tell you the truth about it....as Thor, Nirwanda, Johlsson, myself, and others have done. However, the operative question (in my eye) is if we rise to the level of a few corps that do it across the board and all the time -- enough to warrant a thread including false allegations and calling out members that aren't even in our corp....and I see you've changed the opening two posts in this thread to reflect your new understanding of things. Thanks for that. So I'm not sure what part of my statement "can be blown apart by members of your own corp", but I am certainly open to the discussion. Remember, we all want this game to succeed. Take care....Leadfoot
LJG XX Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 6	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:07:00 - [148] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Can we add The Generals to this list? I've be going against them in dominion all day today, games filled with massive tank spam and prototype gear Redlined and slaughtered the blueberries had no chance, its sad and pathetic Two superior tanks will take care of six militia tanks really quick.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1199	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:09:00 - [149] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Member specific details. Nyain San Pu-taaaann: spams core locus grenades Milkman- proto equipped madrugar blaster hav Molon labe Psychotic shooter: proto equipped madruga blast have, spawn camps in ambush and blind fires. Demons garwulff: advanced equipped missile tank, possibly has proto equipment on tank as well. Just killed milkman's tank the other day so easy cause it's armor so hard cause of the 2-3 other tanks. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 504	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:12:00 - [150] - Quote excillon wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot Really...because I know a few guys in your corp who not only admit to protostomping but will call out the ones who do also. So basically your statement can be blown apart by members of your own corp. Nice try though. Myself also, I have two friends that I squad with from time to time that say the same thing, and have a player in my corp that has told me of the mandatory running of superior equipment, he used to be in Molon Labe, sooooo yeah, I'll back that up. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"

Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1199	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:19:00 - [151] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: excillon wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot Really...because I know a few guys in your corp who not only admit to protostomping but will call out the ones who do also. So basically your statement can be blown apart by members of your own corp. Nice try though. Myself also, I have two friends that I squad with from time to time that say the same thing, and have a player in my corp that has told me of the mandatory running of superior equipment, he used to be in Molon Labe, sooooo yeah, I'll back that up. There are some people told you can only run with these people (certain corps, individual's, etc.) and are kicked if they don't Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 62	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:25:00 - [152] - Quote List every major corp and there's usually a core of protostompers. Some corps have a larger core than others. Some corps fund protostomping. Hell, it wouldn't be a problem if matchmaking wasn't so merciless to newberries. That way, all the proto players would just fight each other. And if plenty of protostompers weren't trying to cheat (lag inducers, melee glitchers, glitchers and modded controllers i'm looking right at you) thier way towards victory. Which makes beating them all the sweeeter I find shotguns, hmgs, with complex damage mods, flux grenades, and remote explosives work pretty well against protos. That and good squad work of our own. And tanks. Lots and Lots of tanks. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5601	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:26:00 - [153] - Quote devonus durga wrote: True Adamance wrote: I shall use every proto suit in my arsenal if I see you on the field. Its not really that these guys need proto to carry them...its that in EVE, just like in Dust you reach a certain point when you are successful enough that you just need to use your ISK..... and why not use the best money can buy. HTFU mate, this is New Eden, its not fair, skill into your own proto and get this damn esports honour mentality out of your mind. That's fine, and I'll enjoy trying to blow you up with R/Es Long as its not a whole team worth of proto or a squad worth using cheap tactics, I don't mind protos Really cause last time I checked you were in a war. If they win its because they outsmarted you, took a better position, had better team work, or down right better gear.......and yeah I am a sucker when it comes to R/E I cannot escape them. Sig wanted......
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1199	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:29:00 - [154] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: List every major corp and there's usually a core of protostompers. Some corps have a larger core than others. Some corps fund protostomping. Hell, it wouldn't be a problem if matchmaking wasn't so merciless to newberries. That way, all the proto players would just fight each other. And if plenty of protostompers weren't trying to cheat (lag inducers, melee glitchers, glitchers and modded controllers i'm looking right at you) thier way towards victory. Which makes beating them all the sweeeter I find shotguns, hmgs, with complex damage mods, flux grenades, and remote explosives work pretty well against protos. That and good squad work of our own. And tanks. Lots and Lots of tanks. There is so much tank stomping in ambush and it's a little prevalent in skirm. and dom. but I always find my self against 2 other tankers, whenever I run tanks in ambush I go solo because more than 2 tanks is overkill and I am so often shut down by 3+ NS/NC running madrugar's with complex mods and ion cannons. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
JL3Eleven 1510	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:37:00 - [155] - Quote So many tears. So few buckets. iLB6 FUB9 Buying all officer weapons for 500k regardless of type.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 75	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:46:00 - [156] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Member specific details. Nyain San Pu-taaaann: spams core locus grenades Milkman- proto equipped madrugar blaster hav Molon labe Psychotic shooter: proto equipped madruga blast have, spawn camps in ambush and blind fires. Demons garwulff: advanced equipped missile tank, possibly has proto equipment on tank as well. Those two aren't in our corp I'd damn sure welcome them if you know something I don't. I will have to double check it I'm pretty sure they were in Molon, I'll confirm my information and update. Removed Molson from the main list, however still on the known list, as weather acidently due to matchmaking and number of squads running, coincidence, or just a few oddball members who engage in it, your corp does occasionally do it and warrants mentioning. My apologies, hire exiles, was discussing Molson when we were wing them at the time. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 8 page debate, and still growing!
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 113	Posted - 2014.01.12 23:07:00 - [157] - Quote True Adamance wrote: devonus durga wrote: True Adamance wrote: I shall use every proto suit in my arsenal if I see you on the field. Its not really that these guys need proto to carry them...its that in EVE, just like in Dust you reach a certain point when you are successful enough that you just need to use your ISK..... and why not use the best money can buy. HTFU mate, this is New Eden, its not fair, skill into your own proto and get this damn esports honour mentality out of your mind. That's fine, and I'll enjoy trying to blow you up with R/Es Long as its not a whole team worth of proto or a squad worth using cheap tactics, I don't mind protos Really cause last time I checked you were in a war. If they win its because they outsmarted you, took a better position, had better team work, or down right better gear.......and yeah I am a sucker when it comes to R/E I cannot escape them. Teamwork, skill, SP fine. Scanner spam annoying as its easy mode for the users. But funny as hell when you can slip in under their precision as they are focusing on the blips they do see. Protoscanner spam... drop the Dampeners and go all tank or damage mods. Nanohive spam. For instance spamming nanohives around a supply depot well away from the conflict to farm supply points. Is that a tactical move or exploiting? Or using nanohives near the action not as re supplies but to cause lag as enemy combatants traverse the zone. Tactical intelligence or exploiting hardware limitations? Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 225	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:13:00 - [158] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: excillon wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot Really...because I know a few guys in your corp who not only admit to protostomping but will call out the ones who do also. So basically your statement can be blown apart by members of your own corp. Nice try though. Myself also, I have two friends that I squad with from time to time that say the same thing, and have a player in my corp that has told me of the mandatory running of superior equipment, he used to be in Molon Labe, sooooo yeah, I'll back that up. Really, who? Please be specific. There is no "mandatory running of superior equipment" -- that's BS. Perhaps you're confusing our PC policy where there is -- and assuredly you're not suggesting we intentionally handicap ourselves in PC. It certainly has never been a policy of my pubbing squads nor any other pub squads I've ever run with during my year or so playing with Molon Labe. Name names, please, and this time it would be nice if the players were actually in or corp -- unlike the tankers that were cited earlier in this thread have never been in ML. Thanks....Leadfoot
kneegrow face SAM-MIK 9	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:20:00 - [159] - Quote There is a problem with proto stompers ATM,it's not that they run only proto weapons/gear,(they earned it so they have the right too use it), it's not that they use good communication/ teamwork,the problem is all proto stompers(aka people with alot of sp and skill) stick together with their mostly proto corps, and they don't do **** to help out new berries.If the proto stompers can just get over them self's and start some corps that pick new to mid range players not just to farm them for isk but to help teach them and make them into better players, this game would be a lot better off. Mama always had a way of explaining things so I could understand them.
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 225	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:25:00 - [160] - Quote So you know, ML recruits new players all the time -- from the vets with 20M+ SP to rookies with only a few million. Many of us, including myself, participate in the Rookie forum, trying to share our experience with those needing help. For those interested, we also have a training and mentorship program once you get in ML -- which makes us better as a corp. Taken collectively, it may explain why some of our methods -- which tend to be successful and often result in lopsided victories -- might be misinterpreted as proto stomping. Respectfully...Leadfoot

Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 4	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:04:00 - [161] - Quote To the OP, I have played Ambush every night EST for at least three hours since 1.7 dropped. As you might have already observed each change CCP makes in the game requires adjustments to be made by the players. The new weapons and tank/AV tweaks have certainly made things interesting. You no doubt have seen these changes unfold: 1. Ever increasing numbers of multiple tank on tank battles 2. Jihad jeeps 3. Team members making an effort to lay down new spawn points to curb the camping. 4. Somewhat cooperative AV tactics I am sure there are more but these things have all started to become more prevalent in the last two weeks. As for proto stomping..... There is little a team of randoms can do to dominate against a six man squad that has been playing this game since or before the release of Uprising. The squad will have the advantage of communication, tactics and experience. If this squad is running proto gear the balance of their equipment and weaponry can be even more advantageous. I have seen a team of randoms pull it together and make the game very interesting against a full squad. The kind of interesting that every clone does count. Those kinds of games are the reason I still play. Sadly though in Ambush roughly 1 in 10 games actually comes down to the last few clones. From what I have seen, most Ambush games can be described in one of five somewhat simplified ways: 1. Game starts, three tanks drop, stomp squad scans and finds the enemy. Rest of team catches up and everybody camps the spawn. Drop multiple orbitals, game over in 4 minutes or less. Well that was awkward...if you are on the winning team....FML if you are not 2. Game starts relatively even but something happens before half clone count. One team is slightly more aggressive or skilled and the tide turns. The orbital seals the deal. Game over in 9-12 minutes. GG everybody. Now that is how you pull it together. 3. Close match throughout. 12 minutes in and it still is up for grabs. Each team has dropped their orbital and now all we need is two or three more kills and we got this....I gotta shoot somebody right now...damn it.....when will they put bells on the Scout suit......sneaky bastards.....now we are out of clones who hit zero first?. 4. Neither team is aggressive. Each stands on their side of the map firing in the general direction of the other team. Lines form. Nothing shifts or moves all that much. Nobody has much has dropped a LAV or HAV. Is this game going to time out before we clone them? It just might. Glad I made some popcorn before this match started, are we wearing underwear in these suits? what if it rides up....is that why I cant seem to jump over this stupid railing?. 5. Game starts with 4 players on one side and 9 on the other. Six of the nine are in a squad. This kind of match will go one of two ways. The full squad leaves as not to engage in douchebaggery and let the randoms fight it out....or.... the four leave to avoid the butt hurt and then general tomfoolery commences for the next 14 minutes among the nine that remained. We have all been on both sides of these kinds of matches and everybody wants to on the winning side but frankly it is the evenly matched games that are truly the most fun win or lose. We are told to quit crying and "Get Gud". I know I'll never be "Gud" but I seem to learn more in the even matches and as a result I am getting better. There are nights where there always seems to be a full squad on the other team. Several matches in row and you see five or six different squads in different games but Scotty can never seem to bring these squads into the same match. I too have asked WTF. My frustration starts with the fact that all the players entering a match ended up on the Warbarge for about two minutes in earlier versions of the game. In that time a merc had a chance to join a squad. The longest I have spent in the Warbarge since the drop of 1.6 is 10 seconds. I suspect CCP has done this on purpose though I have no idea why....perhaps Squad Finder is their solution? If so, the general population of players have not embraced this feature as CCP might have intended. Back to proto stomping: I understand and have no problem with squads coming into Ambush and tuning up before a PC or FW match. For their point of view the ambush is a quick way to conduct an assessment or see what changes need to be made before heading off to their match. In these matches randoms clearly see the power of a squad and the corps shake the rust off without serious consequences. I believe that is what happens in general but as you have noted one corp in particular has a habit of hanging around for what seems like hours just stomping for the sake of stomping. There is a big difference in my mind between maintaining ones skills by working with your suit inventory, training new corp members and developing weapon skills and tactics. I bet some players get together with fellow corp members and squad up and play just for the fun of it. Kinda seems like what this whole thing is about...wouldn't you say? As for the proto suits....If you got them and want to use them I have no right to say otherwise. But if you are just going to hang around for hours proto stomping, spamming tanks and spawn camping randoms because you can....well that is just plain douchbaggery. CCP owns the framework of the game. The player base to a large degree decides how the game is played.
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. Public Disorder. 2512	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:07:00 - [162] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: excillon wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot Really...because I know a few guys in your corp who not only admit to protostomping but will call out the ones who do also. So basically your statement can be blown apart by members of your own corp. Nice try though. Myself also, I have two friends that I squad with from time to time that say the same thing, and have a player in my corp that has told me of the mandatory running of superior equipment, he used to be in Molon Labe, sooooo yeah, I'll back that up. Mandatory? Lol ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
8213 0uter.Heaven 1321	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:46:00 - [163] - Quote Protostompers and PC Corps are usually one in the same. PC funds this practice. Best scenario is Nyain San. Their districts stay locked and have the sole purpose of funding their protostomping in pubs. They are a DUST 514 cancer. Normally, if Im on a losing PC battle I lose 1/2mil ISK in suites(except last week I broke a record and lost 2mil). To make up those loses I turn to pubs. I don't use blacksuits in pubs unless its a special circumstance. Its basically 2 seperate worlds clashing. PC vs Pubs... Its easy to get spoiled by top gear in pubs, because you can single handed crush a team unlike what you can do in PC on a regular basis. Its wrong to do and its hurting the game. I know for a fact certian players want to ride this game into death so they can stay on top forever. Its also hard to balance gear with PC and Pubs in mind. Take the Amarr Assault bonus. The SCR doesn't need a slower heat build up in pub matches, but in PC its 100% necessary. Fish in a bucket!
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 504	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:02:00 - [164] - Quote Lowkiie wrote: Also, One Corp that did not make the list is FACTION WARFARE ARMY. I have personally witnessed them clone sabatoging in Gallente FW. They come in on Gallente's side with a full squad and suicide and clone out gallente. THAT is underhanded and straight up exploiting. Of course, they're CEO is CBJ. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 504	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:04:00 - [165] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: J0hlss0n wrote: Well, if you see me on the other team in a pub match (or on your team), dont worry about me using proto, never go beyond advanced in pubs, that goes with modules/extenders etc also... with the exception of a proto forge on a advanced suit, that is needed in these days of tanks. =P If true you might be the only Molon with my respect I will back up Johlsson on this. He is a friend of mine and my corp. We squad up quite a bit when he has time and he NEVER runs proto. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
LT apparition molon labe. Public Disorder. 62	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:51:00 - [166] - Quote UH.... Sounds like a Personal Problem... but i do understand.... but eh... no real comments other than you should know " Knowledge, and Patience The only Counter to Skill" Knowledge and Patience, Only Counter to Skill.
Import Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 91	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:13:00 - [167] - Quote ?..keep coming evil protoguys.... funny post from op. chill out dude we have been kicked around like a year and we still keep shooting back. Only reason why we are not online as much as we used to be is because of eve. Maybe a laid back squad would help op to have more fun in teambased game. "If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you." Snowflake in hell those are my odds in ambush
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1209	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:14:00 - [168] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: So you know, ML recruits new players all the time -- from the vets with 20M+ SP to rookies with only a few million. We have no mandatory KDR or SP or equipment requirements -- all you have to be is interested in joining and a good squadmate. Additionally, many of us, including myself, participate in the Rookie forum, trying to share our experience with those needing help. I also actively answer noob-type questions in Local chat, and if you have any other ideas as to how to aid newberries in this game, I'm all ears. Just don't insult me or my corp for things we don't really do...don't use as evidence people who were never in our corp...don't say "two friends" or a "corpmate" and not names names...don't make up some policy of mandatory use of proto suits....or you'll get the reaction you see in this thread calling out the BS where it's seen. Listen, if you were to call me out for running proto suits, I'd freely admit it. If you call me a weak player because of it, I'd probably agree with you. However, to call our corp out for something don't really do with any frequency -- and when there are MUCH better examples from other corps -- is out of line, in my opinion. On a related note, we also have a training and mentorship program once you get in ML -- which makes us better as individuals, squads, and as a corp. Taken collectively, this might explain why some of our methods -- which tend to be successful and often result in lopsided victories -- could be misinterpreted as proto stomping. Respectfully...Leadfoot So my corp qsynced an FW in 1.6 against 8 ML/ML PC and 3 Lotis we out right crushed them they had about a half a tick when we cloned them not only did we severely murder there clones but MCC as well. Next match 10-20 minutes late about 8-10 Gens to the previous 12 and the opposing team 13 ML/ML PC and 3 KEQ they lagged the city so bad you couldn't move, it was worse lag than most PC's I have been in we couldn't do a thing and lost because of it (what was really funny was that it wasn't by the margin that we beat ML the first time unassisted by lag) Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Bax Zanith 0	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:36:00 - [169] - Quote Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2578	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:56:00 - [170] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I remember when all games used to have Dark Souls difficulty. And honestly, most who run proto can still give you a run for your money in STD gear. It might sound harsh but welcome to the brutality of New Eden. Start playing objective based games instead of always doing ambush. Objective based games increase your knowledge of strategy, which you can employ in Amb to a degree. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Shutter Fly molon labe. Public Disorder. 169	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:07:00 - [171] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I've been running variations of this fit for the past week now 'Dragonfly' Scout G-I Militia Shield Extender Blueprint Combat Rifle ZN-28 Nova Knives ADV Quantum Active Scanner Complex Armor Repairer Enhanced Cardiac Regulator Probably about 2M SP worth of equipment right there, probably 6-7M of total relevant passive skill bonuses. I've been playing solo Skirm/Dom about 75% of the time, practicing for the upcoming NK event. My general performance for the week: >2 K/D >1 W/L Absolute minimum K/D in one game of about 0.8, maximum was >10. No more that 1/5 of full games ended w/ me in the bottom half of the board About 5-6M ISK earned I had one game earlier today against a full squad of mostly Proto corpmates, including Leadfoot and other self proclaimed Proto users. Both teams had squads, we had uptown and a few PFB, they had Molon and I believe another squad that I can't remember. I had no trouble killing my fellow Molon corpmates with the above fitting, going 11/5 (I had to play it a bit safe, having <300 eHP). I focused heavily and specifically on those using proto suits, and managed to burn about 5-6 full proto fits using only a basic CR, ADV NKs, and my superior wit . Specifically, I managed to kill Leadfoot's proto CalLogi 3 times, and I'm sure he's willing to confirm this
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2579	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:17:00 - [172] - Quote 8213 wrote: Protostompers and PC Corps are usually one in the same. PC funds this practice. Best scenario is Nyain San. Their districts stay locked and have the sole purpose of funding their protostomping in pubs. They are a DUST 514 cancer. Normally, if Im on a losing PC battle I lose 1/2mil ISK in suites(except last week I broke a record and lost 2mil). To make up those loses I turn to pubs. I don't use blacksuits in pubs unless its a special circumstance. Its basically 2 seperate worlds clashing. PC vs Pubs... Its easy to get spoiled by top gear in pubs, because you can single handed crush a team unlike what you can do in PC on a regular basis. Its wrong to do and its hurting the game. I know for a fact certian players want to ride this game into death so they can stay on top forever. Its also hard to balance gear with PC and Pubs in mind. Take the Amarr Assault bonus. The SCR doesn't need a slower heat build up in pub matches, but in PC its 100% necessary. I was agreeing until you said they are a cancer. It is my belief if it was cubs or any of the "elites" doing so, you guys wouldn't say much and just go along. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 236	Posted - 2014.01.14 16:37:00 - [173] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I've been running variations of this fit for the past week now 'Dragonfly' Scout G-I Militia Shield Extender Blueprint Combat Rifle ZN-28 Nova Knives ADV Quantum Active Scanner Complex Armor Repairer Enhanced Cardiac Regulator Probably about 2M SP worth of equipment right there, probably 6-7M of total relevant passive skill bonuses. I've been playing solo Skirm/Dom about 75% of the time, practicing for the upcoming NK event. My general performance for the week: >2 K/D >1 W/L Absolute minimum K/D in one game of about 0.8, maximum was >10. No more than 1/5 of full games ended w/ me in the bottom half of the board About 5-6M ISK earned I had one game earlier today against a full squad of mostly Proto corpmates, including Leadfoot and other self proclaimed Proto users. Both teams had squads, we had uptown and a few PFB, they had Molon and I believe another squad that I can't remember. I had no trouble killing my fellow Molon corpmates with the above fitting, going 11/5 (I had to play it a bit safe, having <300 eHP). I focused heavily and specifically on those using proto suits, and managed to burn about 5-6 full proto fits using only a basic CR, ADV NKs, and my superior wit . Specifically, I managed to kill Leadfoot's proto CalLogi 3 times, and I'm sure he's willing to confirm this Confirmed, you sneaky bastard. :)
Mikey The Bandaid D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 120	Posted - 2014.01.14 16:43:00 - [174] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: the proto stomping nyans only do ambush and dom, so simply play scrim :P melon lube arnt very good with the exception of their PC team wich also only plays ambush and dom so play scrim ancient exiles dont have any glitches to exploit so they currently arnt a problem STB was never all that great to begin with so i dont understand why people think they are... they hold districts in PC becuase they perma lock them not because they can actually keep them :P "proto stomping" is unavoidable in a game where the entire endgame currently consists of getting proto gear and using it... pointless thread is pointless, although i do awknowledge that it looks like you put some decent work into it, but unfortunatly this is general disscussion so its not going to survive long. You mad bro. Perma locking isn't something we tend to do BTW. I can vouche for STB on this one. We have had many of fights against them in PC, always a good fight too! Sadly that is not the case for the rest of the members in the Public Disorder alliance.
Bax Zanith 0	Posted - 2014.01.14 16:49:00 - [175] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I remember when all games used to have Dark Souls difficulty. And honestly, most who run proto can still give you a run for your money in STD gear. It might sound harsh but welcome to the brutality of New Eden. Start playing objective based games instead of always doing ambush. Objective based games increase your knowledge of strategy, which you can employ in Amb to a degree. I like how you just assume I only play ambush. I avoid ambush most days. A: its only team death match, nothing interesting. B: too many tanks, only one AV guy; me. Yesterday I played a few skirmish and domination matches. In every match, a mojority of the red team were protostopers, with maybe two or three randoms. It happens everywhere in any gamemode, not just ambush. On a side note, I have all skills needed for a proto heavy, except for the suit itself. So one day I got myself a couple neo sentinels and strapped three complex plates to it, along with an enhanched armor rep, and of corse, boundless HMG. The only diferench I noticed was lasting one fourth of a second longer. This leads me to think that perhaps TTK is half of the problem, but perhaps its not. You be the judge. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Ku Shala Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 752	Posted - 2014.01.14 17:32:00 - [176] - Quote Is this really a thread? get it to the war room before these bleeding kitties get themselves stomped by blueprint gear the only place proto deoesn't belong is academy Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Apply today! For the State Caldari Loyalist
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 783	Posted - 2014.01.14 17:42:00 - [177] - Quote Put a bounty on me and make sure it's a nice one...
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 138	Posted - 2014.01.14 17:45:00 - [178] - Quote All I got from the OP was: "Wah! wah! I'm a crybaby with no skill and want to vent my frustrations about it!" This is New Eden. There is no such thing as "fair play" when it comes to any form of PvP. Better get used to it or get the hell out. If you are serious about actually killing the proto stompers however, I wish you a sincere good luck and I hope you get your revenge.
Jake Bloodworth molon labe. Public Disorder. 279	Posted - 2014.01.14 17:50:00 - [179] - Quote I ran a few games last night where our Squad Leader asked us to run advanced and lower only. I don't usually care for that kind of stuff, but I broke out the BPO Dren Heavy. My Dren Heavy is full BPO with the exception of a MH-82 HMG. Literally the only difference between that game and my proto games was my logi's being more challenged to keep me alive. I had half the HP and half the damage. I still put up a 24/2 on an open map. My suit had nothing to do with it. My score would have been similar if I was in proto. Teamwork and maxed core skills is what won the game. No amount of proto shaming will change the fact that many of us have played together for a very long time. We have maxed out skills. We understand maps. BPO or Proto, the average Dust player is still handed a beat down by vets. For some reason, there are just more tears when proto shows up in the kill screen. Personally, I appreciate being proto stomped. It gives me an excuse for my lackluster games.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1580	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:34:00 - [180] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: No amount of proto shaming will change the fact that many of us have played together for a very long time. We have maxed out skills. We understand maps. BPO or Proto, the average Dust player is still handed a beat down by vets. For some reason, there are just more tears when proto shows up in the kill screen. Personally, I appreciate being proto stomped. It gives me an excuse for my lackluster games. Works wonders. "Man, I would have totally kicked a$$ all over the place if only they hadn't been in all that proto gear!" Going 5/12 had absolutely nothing to do with drunkeness and not paying attention, I swear. (Now, when two elite corps hook up in FW and the officer gear starts coming out like the other night, just keep me out of the crossfire. I want nothing to do with a bunch of heavy's running around the Gallente facility with Gastuns! I nedd more motivation than guardian points to get anywhere near that) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior level 1

Jenova Rhapsodos Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 95	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:35:00 - [181] - Quote I don't always protostomp But when I do I make sure it's against the OP
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3467	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:40:00 - [182] - Quote Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: I don't always protostomp But when I do I make sure it's against the OP I don't always Thale. But when I do I make sure it's against vets stomping rookies. Atiim (Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher) Tank Spammer Tank Spammer (Soma - MLT 80GJ Blaster) Atiim And this is why I drink.
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 85	Posted - 2014.01.14 19:04:00 - [183] - Quote I don't always play dust but when I do I quit halfway thru the first match.
Kn1ght of Darknes Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 0	Posted - 2014.01.14 22:38:00 - [184] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: I don't always play dust but when I do I quit halfway thru the first match. I think this is quite possibly the most important post in this thread. If anyone here wants this game to survive past the PS3 (and they will shut servers down and move on to another console because you don't just upgrade consoles like PCs) then the game needs a sizable playerbase. I don't think there is a lot of hope for a game where something like this can be said AT ALL. Just because CCP can do things to change this doesn't mean it'll happen fast. Coding is hard and takes a lot of time, especially with external factors to consider when doing it. So in the meantime it is up to the players themselves to make sure the game can thrive. We are the ones who ultimately decide whether DUST is a thing on the PS4 or PS5 even, or if it ends with the PS3. We cannot shirk our responsibility to the new players or to each other and to the game itself. Also I really want Corp battles back. Those were really fun and a great outlet for all the pre-PC warmups or rivalry fights or a great way to host some more DUSTkart or other things like that that would add real diversity to this game.
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1870	Posted - 2014.01.15 01:02:00 - [185] - Quote x So about those vehicle locks...
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 90	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:28:00 - [186] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jenova Rhapsodos wrote: I don't always protostomp But when I do I make sure it's against the OP I don't always Thale. But when I do I make sure it's against vets stomping rookies. You too? Too bad I couldn't use them in the last match considering I was on my alt.. A.O.D and F.T.U proto frenzy :(
Vanell Sin Dust2Dust. Top Men. 32	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:40:00 - [187] - Quote The game gives them the option to wear proto suits and equipment so they do. Its not that they do something wrong. If you could afford it im sure you ll end up doing the same thing Im playing since Uprising 1.0 and still have 8m SP.Im I doing something wrong?
edguy 111 Quebec United 16	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:48:00 - [188] - Quote I have play with these corp a.e are not that bad some of them dont pub stomp.Molon labe are really good but are not proto stomper either they are just good lol (have get 7 ob with a molon labe squad once,two core focus rep tool,two heavy and 2 assault.We end up with over 3k wp each)XD minmatar logi at is finest~~~~~~~Edguy Quebec United,Ceo
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 90	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:50:00 - [189] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: J0hlss0n wrote: Well, if you see me on the other team in a pub match (or on your team), dont worry about me using proto, never go beyond advanced in pubs, that goes with modules/extenders etc also... with the exception of a proto forge on a advanced suit, that is needed in these days of tanks. =P If true you might be the only Molon with my respect I will back up Johlsson on this. He is a friend of mine and my corp. We squad up quite a bit when he has time and he NEVER runs proto. I appreciate these kind of players and keep trying to find more people I can look up to in this game.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 90	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:52:00 - [190] - Quote Vanell Sin wrote: The game gives them the option to wear proto suits and equipment so they do. Its not that they do something wrong. If you could afford it im sure you ll end up doing the same thing <----150m isk and not running proto... your logic invalid

Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 90	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:53:00 - [191] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: I have play with these corp a.e are not that bad some of them dont pub stomp.Molon labe are really good but are not proto stomper either they are just good lol (have get 7 ob with a molon labe squad once,two core focus rep tool,two heavy and 2 assault.We end up with over 3k wp each)XD Most do proto stomp and that is an issue.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 91	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:00:00 - [192] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I remember when all games used to have Dark Souls difficulty. And honestly, most who run proto can still give you a run for your money in STD gear. It might sound harsh but welcome to the brutality of New Eden. Start playing objective based games instead of always doing ambush. Objective based games increase your knowledge of strategy, which you can employ in Amb to a degree. MOST proto can't do anything in ADV/STD fittings and if they can it's due to dmg mods stacked to the heavens. >.> Welcome to the Proto/Tank/RR/CR 514 :D They shall harvest your tears!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 89	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:07:00 - [193] - Quote Vanell Sin wrote: The game gives them the option to wear proto suits and equipment so they do. Its not that they do something wrong. If you could afford it im sure you ll end up doing the same thing Technicly I have proto, I have about 20 full proto state suits, more if I sunk the lap into the modules I need. Just don't see a reason to bring them out since I average a 2-2.5 kdr when not getting stomped, and 800-1000 wp, which is all I need or want out of an ambush. And against proto stompers, my one suit isn't going to make a difference, just waste all those hours spent grinding out caldari LP. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2600	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:16:00 - [194] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I remember when all games used to have Dark Souls difficulty. And honestly, most who run proto can still give you a run for your money in STD gear. It might sound harsh but welcome to the brutality of New Eden. Start playing objective based games instead of always doing ambush. Objective based games increase your knowledge of strategy, which you can employ in Amb to a degree. MOST proto can't do anything in ADV/STD fittings and if they can it's due to dmg mods stacked to the heavens. >.> Welcome to the Proto/Tank/RR/CR 514 :D They shall harvest your tears! So you're implying actual skill gained from the grueling and violent grind towards proto is all lost? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 91	Posted - 2014.01.15 08:43:00 - [195] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I remember when all games used to have Dark Souls difficulty. And honestly, most who run proto can still give you a run for your money in STD gear. It might sound harsh but welcome to the brutality of New Eden. Start playing objective based games instead of always doing ambush. Objective based games increase your knowledge of strategy, which you can employ in Amb to a degree. MOST proto can't do anything in ADV/STD fittings and if they can it's due to dmg mods stacked to the heavens. >.> Welcome to the Proto/Tank/RR/CR 514 :D They shall harvest your tears! So you're implying actual skill gained from the grueling and violent grind towards proto is all lost? Depending on the person.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 95	Posted - 2014.01.15 09:25:00 - [196] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I remember when all games used to have Dark Souls difficulty. And honestly, most who run proto can still give you a run for your money in STD gear. It might sound harsh but welcome to the brutality of New Eden. Start playing objective based games instead of always doing ambush. Objective based games increase your knowledge of strategy, which you can employ in Amb to a degree. MOST proto can't do anything in ADV/STD fittings and if they can it's due to dmg mods stacked to the heavens. >.> Welcome to the Proto/Tank/RR/CR 514 :D They shall harvest your tears! So you're implying actual skill gained from the grueling and violent grind towards proto is all lost? Depending on the person. Proto tankers and ads tend to be rather entertaining and easy to kill if you catch them outside their vehicles (not saying all are). Some of them forget what its like not to have 4k+ armor and 2000dps canon. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 516	Posted - 2014.01.16 17:03:00 - [197] - Quote Vanell Sin wrote: The game gives them the option to wear proto suits and equipment so they do. Its not that they do something wrong. If you could afford it im sure you ll end up doing the same thing I have almost 35mil sp and a shite ton of isk. Proto in Minmatar, Caldari assault, working on Logi build. Yeah I can field proto till the cows come home, but, I don't. Why. 1) I can hold a positive K/D with BPO'S in pubs, "not that I give a shite about kd cause it means ** in this game. Unless you want into a corp with a kd requirement, which is *** to start with". 2) I know what I can do in my chosen fits and enjoy the challenge of running basic and advanced gear, "yes me and my top squad can go 25/1, 25/3, whatever, all day long, but who am I really proving anything too? My squadmates who all know what we can do? We don't have to have that score on the leaderboard to make ourselves feel like we accomplished something. 3) We do a lot of training in our corp, it would be hypocritical to go into a pub and run proto when these players are here for help learning to combat these pricks that run it 24/7, 365. 4) I love taking down protostompers with a bpo suit, "that makes me feel accomplishment". 5) We got enough problems with the scrubs that tank spam right now, no need to add to the problems this game already has. 6) You put 75% of those guys in a basic fit against a truly skilled player in the same gear, they will lose. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 433	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:41:00 - [198] - Quote The corps that own a whole planet worth of districts in in PC A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 92	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:19:00 - [199] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Vanell Sin wrote: The game gives them the option to wear proto suits and equipment so they do. Its not that they do something wrong. If you could afford it im sure you ll end up doing the same thing I have almost 35mil sp and a shite ton of isk. Proto in Minmatar, Caldari assault, working on Logi build. Yeah I can field proto till the cows come home, but, I don't. Why. 1) I can hold a positive K/D with BPO'S in pubs, "not that I give a shite about kd cause it means ** in this game. Unless you want into a corp with a kd requirement, which is *** to start with". 2) I know what I can do in my chosen fits and enjoy the challenge of running basic and advanced gear, "yes me and my top squad can go 25/1, 25/3, whatever, all day long, but who am I really proving anything too? My squadmates who all know what we can do? We don't have to have that score on the leaderboard to make ourselves feel like we accomplished something. 3) We do a lot of training in our corp, it would be hypocritical to go into a pub and run proto when these players are here for help learning to combat these pricks that run it 24/7, 365. 4) I love taking down protostompers with a bpo suit, "that makes me feel accomplishment". 5) We got enough problems with the scrubs that tank spam right now, no need to add to the problems this game already has. 6) You put 75% of those guys in a basic fit against a truly skilled player in the same gear, they will lose. I love all of your points and your corp is pretty good for basic/adv users but some of them are a bit too cocky xD
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 534	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:43:00 - [200] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Vanell Sin wrote: The game gives them the option to wear proto suits and equipment so they do. Its not that they do something wrong. If you could afford it im sure you ll end up doing the same thing I have almost 35mil sp and a shite ton of isk. Proto in Minmatar, Caldari assault, working on Logi build. Yeah I can field proto till the cows come home, but, I don't. Why. 1) I can hold a positive K/D with BPO'S in pubs, "not that I give a shite about kd cause it means ** in this game. Unless you want into a corp with a kd requirement, which is *** to start with". 2) I know what I can do in my chosen fits and enjoy the challenge of running basic and advanced gear, "yes me and my top squad can go 25/1, 25/3, whatever, all day long, but who am I really proving anything too? My squadmates who all know what we can do? We don't have to have that score on the leaderboard to make ourselves feel like we accomplished something. 3) We do a lot of training in our corp, it would be hypocritical to go into a pub and run proto when these players are here for help learning to combat these pricks that run it 24/7, 365. 4) I love taking down protostompers with a bpo suit, "that makes me feel accomplishment". 5) We got enough problems with the scrubs that tank spam right now, no need to add to the problems this game already has. 6) You put 75% of those guys in a basic fit against a truly skilled player in the same gear, they will lose. I love all of your points and your corp is pretty good for basic/adv users but some of them are a bit too cocky xD There is a fine line between cockiness and confidence, don't be mistaken about our ability to perform in our top gear either. We have found by running and surviving in lower tier suits, when you do run the top gear, you are much more efficient and effective. And thank you for your compliment. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"

Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 164	Posted - 2014.01.17 14:59:00 - [201] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: [quote=Ghosts Chance] Funny how using good gear in this game is consodered bad, cant remember when I have ever seen a BF3/4 vet with the standard weapons Really, dude? Closet Colonels are rampant. Hell, the phrase itself being coined is an indicator of how common it is.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1643	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:43:00 - [202] - Quote Fatal Absolution: They be OP and have lots of former bunnies. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Frost Kitty Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 33	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:20:00 - [203] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Fatal Absolution: They be OP and have lots of former bunnies. We're OP? "If youGÇÖre not remembered, then you never existed."
oso tiburon G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 201	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:39:00 - [204] - Quote dem tears ... say hello to my little friend
Mathew LaBorde The Generals General Tso's Alliance 41	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:01:00 - [205] - Quote Slim Winning wrote: What about Imperfects? Just one of them can cause as much havock as a squad of the other guys. I get more concerned about just one Imperfect than a team of Nyain San. Good point but a little late. Imperfects split up a long time ago.
Mathew LaBorde The Generals General Tso's Alliance 41	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:02:00 - [206] - Quote oso tiburon wrote: dem tears ... Well, I am getting pretty thirsty I guess
Mathew LaBorde The Generals General Tso's Alliance 41	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:13:00 - [207] - Quote I can't say we run proto alot cuz we don't. Mostly basic and adv and we quesync to practice for PC if the event ever showed up. Also. Dust is a social game. I go to work for ten hour days and I like to co e home and talk to my friends and play games. The best way to do all that in o e sitting is to do it together in my opinion.
RevoL Frog The Generals General Tso's Alliance 257	Posted - 2014.01.17 18:51:00 - [208] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: Can we add The Generals to this list? I've be going against them in dominion all day today, games filled with massive tank spam and prototype gear Redlined and slaughtered the blueberries had no chance, its sad and pathetic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1612	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:26:00 - [209] - Quote Mathew LaBorde wrote: Slim Winning wrote: What about Imperfects? Just one of them can cause as much havock as a squad of the other guys. I get more concerned about just one Imperfect than a team of Nyain San. Good point but a little late. Imperfects split up a long time ago. ??? ReGnYuM and Alldin Kan (and a couple others) might disagree. There's only a few but they certainly can wreak havok all by their lonesomes. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior lv.1
MOOSEON THE LOOSE The Generals General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.01.17 21:31:00 - [210] - Quote devonus durga wrote: This thread shall be used to publicly aknowledge the scions of no skill so that others might be aware of their actions, transgressions, and take appropriate action to either avoid or kill such members. Please be aware that all these groups commonly run with plentiful numbers of nanite injectors and that should you choose to engage them, it is recommended that you not only kill them, but make sure their non revivabke by headshotting them, blowing them to bits, or shooting their body after its down. I reccomend this to such an extent that you ignore their other near by players to insure their 200k suit stays dead. The best tactics for handling these corporations is to use a cheap disposable suit armed with remote explosives. With the exception of certain heavy builds, no proto suit can survive a remote, and they do not need to be double tapped. I personally reccomend a militia scout shotgunner build. Dampeners are useless as they regularly have at least one proto scanner available. I encourage players to not associate with these players as they ruin the game and abuse the match making system. I have marked some as deserving of faction warfare team killing due to the unrepentant and abusive actions, and that perhaps some repercussions for said actions will at least give them pause before steam rolling some newberries and those less skilled/experienced. Nyan San/chan: Well known proto stompers from japan. This corp is rarely found as an individual and is often squaded with a full squad of other proto sompers, usually from their own corp though known to squad and que syn with other known proto stomp corps. They are fond of using proto tanks with proto logo suit drivers who will hop out to repair their vehicle, allowing them to have more hardeners and damage mods then most proto tankers. They rarely role rail gun tanks but will often bring 3-4 proto blaster tanks to the field. When not using tank squads they will use the ,latest FoTM weapon, at this current time proto rail rifles, usually assault. Several of their members will also use core locus grenade spam so avoid bunching in groups, and remember that their blast radius is larger then other locus grenades. They are also well known users of the equipment lag glitch, however the recent patch seems to have fixed this to an extent. They will also commonly use cheap locations such as the mushroom top, or other unassaultable locations if the situation warrants. Most commonly found in ambush. Their actions warrant FW killing in my opin Ancient exiles: not as commonly found as the first two, squads and que syncing squads are still a regular occurance, and often consists of at least 1-2 tanks. Little other Intel is known of their tactics and associations with other corps, however they still pose a threat when found in public matches Sver True blood: A large corp with many members, not all of whome proto stomp, however when found In A full squad of their own it is more or less gaurenteed to consist of all proto players. When found they do not utilize tanks as much as the others, however that does not mean they will not do so. Their corps proto players seem quite fond of HMGs and it is not uncommon to find 2 or more protons backed by logo support. There are many many other corps in addition to these who engage in such actions, usually less often then the above mentioned corps. Should thier threat to amush become more common tactics and information may becoeme available. Other offending parties include Molon Labe (removed from main list due to some of their members willingness to talk, majority of members seem not to abuse the system however may occasionally end in protostomping due to the coincidences of matchmaking) War ravens (may warrant upgrading pending further information. Duma corp (rarely found but tank spams when encountered) Rainbow effect (rarely encountered but a threat when found) Generals (accused but uncomfirmed) I would offer isk bounties on these players however such is outside my budget at this time, if any body wishes to discuss become patron for such bounties however please message me in game. I will continue to update this as tactics, corps, and other information becomes available, and encourage players tobrag by provideing kill screens, information, and other such details pertaining to proto stompers. Fuckin QQ more I run proto if I want. I spent my time as a blueberry and now I can spend my time as a proto stomper. People who don't understand dust is a team game and they run around like Rambo and expect to get 30-0 right off the start are ridiculous. UPGRADE THE GENERALS the guys that I play with from there run proto 90% of the time and we que sync full teams for TEAM PRACTICE. man scrubberries are just getting worse and worse.

Bax Zanith 1	Posted - 2014.01.18 01:48:00 - [211] - Quote A lot of protos just assume where militia newbarries, and tell us suck it up and imbrace the imposible challenge. "You should always accept the challenge!" They say. "It fun if theres a challenge!" If you protos like a challenge then why use a suit that makes everything easy as pie? In the last anbush match I was in, the red team was in ADV gear, when they saw most of are team has militia gear, they switched to full on proto. So stop with the challenge baloney. Are you all just making up for lack of skill? (Sorry for any spelling errors. I posted this from my phone.) I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 56	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:31:00 - [212] - Quote NOTE: Skip to the bottom if you don't want to read all of this. Two important things. 1) Losing bad sucks 2) Losing bad sucks less in a good corp squad I love soloing. i love it so much I understand that I can't carry 15 other soloers or crappy squads through a match. I have 6mil sp and no proto (5) skilled out except for the AR and I don't run it. I play mostly tier 1.5 or tier 2 builds. I dabble in an aurum build on occasion that I call tier 2.5 but it is soley for hacking nulls early on. That being said, I score over 1200 WP pretty consistently solo. Sometimes I crack 1200 and the second place person on my team gets 200 and sometimes they get 1000. Again, this is when we get stomped. On a bad day i might have between 700 and 1k and am in the top 3. Again, when getting stomped. I also play in a corp full of people that like playing the game and know how to play it. A good corp, as far as I am concerned, will actively try to get you to participate in the squad. I mean, sometimes, I straight up get a message telling me to stop what I am doing and squad up. I play a few matches and then when someone else is LFS I get back out and go solo (if that is what I wanted to do). When in that corp squad, everything is chill and awesome. I say, if you aren't getting recruited ACTIVELY into a squad by your corp then join a top 50 corp. Stop wasting your time soloing a team based MMO and complaining when things turn out how they are expected to. There is nothing wrong with going to a corp that wants you to play and wants you to squad and will let you be with them when they stomp others. I know that's a lot to read so you can just read the following as a conclusion: JOIN A CORP THAT YOU CAN STOMP OTHERS IN....PERIOD.
Bugz The Rabbit 5	Posted - 2014.01.18 02:37:00 - [213] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: A lot of protos just assume where militia newbarries, and tell us suck it up and imbrace the imposible challenge. "You should always accept the challenge!" They say. "It fun if theres a challenge!" If you protos like a challenge then why use a suit that makes everything easy as pie? In the last anbush match I was in, the red team was in ADV gear, when they saw most of are team has militia gear, they switched to full on proto. So stop with the challenge baloney. Are you all just making up for lack of skill? (Sorry for any spelling errors. I posted this from my phone.) you don't have proto gear, I can tell it'll be okay shhhsshhhh Ehh, Watsup Doc?
Bax Zanith 1	Posted - 2014.01.18 04:15:00 - [214] - Quote Bugz The Rabbit wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: A lot of protos just assume where militia newbarries, and tell us suck it up and imbrace the imposible challenge. "You should always accept the challenge!" They say. "It fun if theres a challenge!" If you protos like a challenge then why use a suit that makes everything easy as pie? In the last anbush match I was in, the red team was in ADV gear, when they saw most of are team has militia gear, they switched to full on proto. So stop with the challenge baloney. Are you all just making up for lack of skill? (Sorry for any spelling errors. I posted this from my phone.) you don't have proto gear, I can tell it'll be okay shhhsshhhh I have the skills for the proto gear, and I will aquire the suit in approximately 69k sp. When I get it, I WON'T be spaming the living daylights out of it, un leashing it's wrathfull scorn on newbarries and others who don't deserve the stomp. I'll save it for the common rainy day. When they stomp, I'll stomp them back. If I'm faced with newbarries, a STD heavy will be enough havic. And as for you eko, and other posters. You always assume. I was with a squad when it happened. I'm often with at least one other merc. Two friends of mine have full proto and even they think the stomping and tank spam is rediculess. I'm not saying don't use proto. I'm saying use it when its needed. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 92	Posted - 2014.01.18 05:05:00 - [215] - Quote MOOSEON THE LOOSE wrote: devonus durga wrote: This thread shall be used to publicly aknowledge the scions of no skill so that others might be aware of their actions, transgressions, and take appropriate action to either avoid or kill such members. Please be aware that all these groups commonly run with plentiful numbers of nanite injectors and that should you choose to engage them, it is recommended that you not only kill them, but make sure their non revivabke by headshotting them, blowing them to bits, or shooting their body after its down. I reccomend this to such an extent that you ignore their other near by players to insure their 200k suit stays dead. The best tactics for handling these corporations is to use a cheap disposable suit armed with remote explosives. With the exception of certain heavy builds, no proto suit can survive a remote, and they do not need to be double tapped. I personally reccomend a militia scout shotgunner build. Dampeners are useless as they regularly have at least one proto scanner available. I encourage players to not associate with these players as they ruin the game and abuse the match making system. I have marked some as deserving of faction warfare team killing due to the unrepentant and abusive actions, and that perhaps some repercussions for said actions will at least give them pause before steam rolling some newberries and those less skilled/experienced. Nyan San/chan: Well known proto stompers from japan. This corp is rarely found as an individual and is often squaded with a full squad of other proto sompers, usually from their own corp though known to squad and que syn with other known proto stomp corps. They are fond of using proto tanks with proto logo suit drivers who will hop out to repair their vehicle, allowing them to have more hardeners and damage mods then most proto tankers. They rarely role rail gun tanks but will often bring 3-4 proto blaster tanks to the field. When not using tank squads they will use the ,latest FoTM weapon, at this current time proto rail rifles, usually assault. Several of their members will also use core locus grenade spam so avoid bunching in groups, and remember that their blast radius is larger then other locus grenades. They are also well known users of the equipment lag glitch, however the recent patch seems to have fixed this to an extent. They will also commonly use cheap locations such as the mushroom top, or other unassaultable locations if the situation warrants. Most commonly found in ambush. Their actions warrant FW killing in my opin Ancient exiles: not as commonly found as the first two, squads and que syncing squads are still a regular occurance, and often consists of at least 1-2 tanks. Little other Intel is known of their tactics and associations with other corps, however they still pose a threat when found in public matches Sver True blood: A large corp with many members, not all of whome proto stomp, however when found In A full squad of their own it is more or less gaurenteed to consist of all proto players. When found they do not utilize tanks as much as the others, however that does not mean they will not do so. Their corps proto players seem quite fond of HMGs and it is not uncommon to find 2 or more protons backed by logo support. There are many many other corps in addition to these who engage in such actions, usually less often then the above mentioned corps. Should thier threat to amush become more common tactics and information may becoeme available. Other offending parties include Molon Labe (removed from main list due to some of their members willingness to talk, majority of members seem not to abuse the system however may occasionally end in protostomping due to the coincidences of matchmaking) War ravens (may warrant upgrading pending further information. Duma corp (rarely found but tank spams when encountered) Rainbow effect (rarely encountered but a threat when found) Generals (accused but uncomfirmed) I would offer isk bounties on these players however such is outside my budget at this time, if any body wishes to discuss become patron for such bounties however please message me in game. I will continue to update this as tactics, corps, and other information becomes available, and encourage players tobrag by provideing kill screens, information, and other such details pertaining to proto stompers. Fuckin QQ more I run proto if I want. I spent my time as a blueberry and now I can spend my time as a proto stomper. People who don't understand dust is a team game and they run around like Rambo and expect to get 30-0 right off the start are ridiculous. UPGRADE THE GENERALS the guys that I play with from there run proto 90% of the time and we que sync full teams for TEAM PRACTICE. man scrubberries are just getting worse and worse. You are a sad human being.. and with that said yes run as a team but even some teams can't compete with the best gear and stupid to think otherwise.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2766	Posted - 2014.01.18 05:13:00 - [216] - Quote You understand that Nyain San has infinite ISK via PC farmer via locked districts. They run Proto All the time because price is no object. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 103	Posted - 2014.01.18 16:01:00 - [217] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: You understand that Nyain San has infinite ISK via PC farmer via locked districts. They run Proto All the time because price is no object. Yes but I still relish being able to cost them some mony, better then laying in a ditch and waiting to die or notspawning in. Why just today I killed around 15 of their protos across 6 matches or so, not much, but still cost them between 3-4m Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. 2785	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:45:00 - [218] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: You understand that Nyain San has infinite ISK via PC farmer via locked districts. They run Proto All the time because price is no object. Yes but I still relish being able to cost them some mony, better then laying in a ditch and waiting to die or notspawning in. Why just today I killed around 15 of their protos across 6 matches or so, not much, but still cost them between 3-4m Out of Billions that is made back and then X times some (X being a large number) a day for not participating. You think that costing them works towards some kind of goal like if you cost them Y money they will break. But you know it's nothing in the grand scheme. You want to stop protostompers, you have to take this ring to Mount Doom and cast it in the Volcano. Easier said than done. Check out latest BSOTT Guide
Mathew LaBorde The Generals General Tso's Alliance 42	Posted - 2014.01.19 06:15:00 - [219] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: A lot of protos just assume where militia newbarries, and tell us suck it up and imbrace the imposible challenge. "You should always accept the challenge!" They say. "It fun if theres a challenge!" If you protos like a challenge then why use a suit that makes everything easy as pie? In the last anbush match I was in, the red team was in ADV gear, when they saw most of are team has militia gear, they switched to full on proto. So stop with the challenge baloney. Are you all just making up for lack of skill? (Sorry for any spelling errors. I posted this from my phone.) your pitiful.
Mathew LaBorde The Generals General Tso's Alliance 42	Posted - 2014.01.19 06:16:00 - [220] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: You understand that Nyain San has infinite ISK via PC farmer via locked districts. They run Proto All the time because price is no object. Yes but I still relish being able to cost them some mony, better then laying in a ditch and waiting to die or notspawning in. Why just today I killed around 15 of their protos across 6 matches or so, not much, but still cost them between 3-4m I feel the same way

devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 164	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:12:00 - [221] - Quote List updated in first post, second post now contains tips and reccomendations to grief... I mean punish, same team proto stompers. Please remember a proto sgomper is a proto stomper, weather in a squad doing it or not, weather they or their corp is, they still support it. Please take appropriate action against all members of protostomping corps as found, be the individuals or in squads. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 253	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:17:00 - [222] - Quote I proto-stomp daily. Feel free to add me to this list. I'd like to see some people get paid for killing me, because I know I cost them a lot more money than they ever cost me. I'm also curious how running a full squad of proto gear players is abusing the system? We like to play with our friends, we like to run proto gear when we play, we can afford to run proto gear. One day you'll grow up to be a big mean pub-stomping proto wearing merc as well. Do like we all did, grind out the SP and grind out the ISK. If you had a brand new t-shirt or an old ratty one with holes, which would you wear? Hmm?
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 164	Posted - 2014.01.22 13:23:00 - [223] - Quote Paradox as a whole seem pretty decent about pubs, and what happens in Fw is fine IMO. This is for those who do it consistently, only in a squad, and with the intention of stomp in. Running proto solo, or even in a squad of 3 or 4 is OK. Heck even an occasional squad I wouldn't mind, its for those who consistently do it, without remorse or though for the community, and usually accompanied by particularly cheap tactics or devestatingly over powering means, or just plain don't give the pubs a break, and steam roll them constantly. The occasional stomping is good for the newberry. It let's them know what their aspiring for, being rolled match aft match aft match, is not. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1722	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:13:00 - [224] - Quote Add me to list damnit! I ran 500k isk tanks all day yesterday and I didn't get a single QQ Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 167	Posted - 2014.01.22 14:20:00 - [225] - Quote Oh I saw you, but everyone on here already knows you. No point in fanning your vanity. Pretty much any proto tank is a proto stomper (proto equipped tank), if added them all it would be a bloody list 10 miles long. And yo do iT solo usually, which I can respect. Your corp isn't overly guilty, and I can't blame you if your backed up by 5 militia tanks. So yes Charlotte, your a threat, but your a solo threat. And don't take that as a disc, its a compliment. You unto yourself however will not be added to the list, as you at least give people a chance to kill you, even if its bloody hard as all hell. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
TuFar Gon Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 66	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:32:00 - [226] - Quote So freakin pathetic. Dude you might as well ask ccp to remove proto gear all together if your gonna QQ that hard over it. I mean really. Put a binky in this baby's mouth and change his diaper. W O W!!
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 168	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:34:00 - [227] - Quote Yes yes I know. Qq more htfu, get good nokb, welcome to eve, stfu, suck it up. Heard it all more or less. We are on page 12. Tough the binky was a nice twist. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 954	Posted - 2014.01.22 15:34:00 - [228] - Quote I think this gentleman is a bit mad and possibly angry. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 182	Posted - 2014.01.23 16:54:00 - [229] - Quote Woohoo, this 5x sp event is great for grabbing all the stompers at their prime! Still no cure for proto tank spam though. Even more corps added to the list! See I'd your corp is cheap.... I mean gud enough to make the list! Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 12 page Debate
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4722	Posted - 2014.01.24 09:51:00 - [230] - Quote I always love this ****, I really do. Can't tell you how many times I'll run standard/advanced gear and then get a message in my inbox about proto-stomping; doesn't make any sense. So I casually remind the person who I am, what I do and what I don't do... ... and then of course I run into a team of players using prototype gear, which persuades me to bring out my own to stay competitive. All of a sudden, inbox starts getting filled up again. Or, my personal favorite, the time where I was injector spammed because I was using Prototype AV against the nigh invulnerable tanks in Faction Warfare. Or the time I was using my Proto sniper load-out to counter a Thale's on the enemy team. And then, low and behold, I see this thread; which is actively chastizing entire corporations in a "guilt by association" manner with a few posts trying to justify and save face because of reasons. /sarcasm. But further more, someone made the decision to rope in vehicles into the mix... So while we're here discussing what we can and cannot use in a match without being publicly branded by someone(s) who just couldn't get over it, what the hell are we supposed to run if not something that fails to be competitive? Standard Commando suits with Plasma Cannons and Breach Shotguns, anyone? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182

8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1447	Posted - 2014.01.24 09:53:00 - [231] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I always love this ****, I really do. Can't tell you how many times I'll run standard/advanced gear and then get a message in my inbox about proto-stomping; doesn't make any sense. So I casually remind the person who I am, what I do and what I don't do... ... and then of course I run into a team of players using prototype gear, which persuades me to bring out my own to stay competitive. All of a sudden, inbox starts getting filled up again. Or, my personal favorite, the time where I was injector spammed because I was using Prototype AV against the nigh invulnerable tanks in Faction Warfare. Or the time I was using my Proto sniper load-out to counter a Thale's on the enemy team. And then, low and behold, I see this thread; which is actively chastizing entire corporations in a "guilt by association" manner with a few posts trying to justify and save face because of reasons. /sarcasm. But further more, someone made the decision to rope in vehicles into the mix... So while we're here discussing what we can and cannot use in a match without being publicly branded by someone(s) who just couldn't get over it, what the hell are we supposed to run if not something that fails to be competitive? Standard Commando suits with Plasma Cannons and Breach Shotguns, anyone? The best part of having one AE or NS in your squad is that you always get to hear the hatemail they get every game. Even if they don't do good in the slightest. To many people judge players by their corp in this game. Fish in a bucket!
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2794	Posted - 2014.01.24 09:57:00 - [232] - Quote It's stupid. These gamers don't accept the challenge and work to get better with the understanding that every loss could be a key to victory. They cry and want the game changed around them. It's like a sword. Before the blade is sharp and deadly, the metal must first be bathed in fire, beaten and folded many times over before it becomes a deadly weapon. How these new gamers entering New Eden don't understand this is beyond me. I'm just glad that's not me. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 204	Posted - 2014.01.24 09:58:00 - [233] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I always love this ****, I really do. Can't tell you how many times I'll run standard/advanced gear and then get a message in my inbox about proto-stomping; doesn't make any sense. So I casually remind the person who I am, what I do and what I don't do... ... and then of course I run into a team of players using prototype gear, which persuades me to bring out my own to stay competitive. All of a sudden, inbox starts getting filled up again. Or, my personal favorite, the time where I was injector spammed because I was using Prototype AV against the nigh invulnerable tanks in Faction Warfare. Or the time I was using my Proto sniper load-out to counter a Thale's on the enemy team. And then, low and behold, I see this thread; which is actively chastizing entire corporations in a "guilt by association" manner with a few posts trying to justify and save face because of reasons. /sarcasm. But further more, someone made the decision to rope in vehicles into the mix... So while we're here discussing what we can and cannot use in a match without being publicly branded by someone(s) who just couldn't get over it, what the hell are we supposed to run if not something that fails to be competitive? Standard Commando suits with Plasma Cannons and Breach Shotguns, anyone? Personally I know no one will fix it, everyone will wait till CCP does etc. I'm just firwarnng nooblets and giving reccomendations to those who care to try and do something. I'm well aware protostomping won't stop, regardless of whatever justification they want to use. I'm not asking you too, I'm just putting out information for others to use, as well. Proto Stompers Information/Wanted board Tap, Tap
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 205	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:00:00 - [234] - Quote Meh, guilt by association is quite common accepted. You choose your friends, and you chose your corp. If people hate your corp, suit, tactics, you get to deal with them, and this thread, because you chose all 3 of them. Proto Stompers Information/Wanted board Tap, Tap
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 131	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:02:00 - [235] - Quote All people want is options. A small group comparatively have the corp power / PC income to run full proto indefinitely regardless of costs. Is that fair that they should be put up in battles against new players and other not so fortunate players? Granted people can run cheap fits and make isk. However most average players CANNOT afford to use proto 24/7. All we are asking is for one or two options so we can pick the 'challenge level'. A militia / standard game mode - and an advanced / proto game mode would probably suffice! I dont see why people dont get this. Its all about balancing the matches so there is an actual fight, an actual battle and not just a slaughter fest red line stomp every 8 out of 10 games.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2795	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:02:00 - [236] - Quote No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 131	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:04:00 - [237] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak?
Haerr Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 190	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:05:00 - [238] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Standard Commando suits with Plasma Cannons and Breach Shotguns, anyone? lol. Day 2.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 205	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:05:00 - [239] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: All people want is options. A small group comparatively have the corp power / PC income to run full proto indefinitely regardless of costs. Is that fair that they should be put up in battles against new players and other not so fortunate players? Granted people can run cheap fits and make isk. However most average players CANNOT afford to use proto 24/7. All we are asking is for one or two options so we can pick the 'challenge level'. A militia / standard game mode - and an advanced / proto game mode would probably suffice! I dont see why people dont get this. Its all about balancing the matches so there is an actual fight, an actual battle and not just a slaughter fest red line stomp every 8 out of 10 games. And till then I merely reccomend tactics and targets for the futile rage usually unable to be utilized by the common player. Most f yes are not satisfied wit soonGäó Proto Stompers Information/Wanted board Tap, Tap
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 205	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:08:00 - [240] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU Why BC I give them targets tactics and ideas? Oh yes we are suppose to sit there and take it n the ass with a smile. Well forgive me if I shove a remote up your proto stomping squads ass. Proto Stompers Information/Wanted board Tap, Tap

KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 657	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:09:00 - [241] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? This game needs to be marketed as a hard mode FPS similar to the way Demon and Dark Souls is referred to. That way people immediately expect it to be hard and don't cry about it. It needs a disclaimer. WARNING: You should bring a bag to retrieve your prolapsed anus. "Because beer, that's why."
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2795	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:17:00 - [242] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? That mindset is not on the cover or description info of this game, so just what the heck are you talking about? What keeps people from coming back here are folks who think like you who can't handle defeat or try to learn from it. Basically charmin soft players. Like I said, I got my ass kicked when I first arrived here too. You new guys aren't the only ones to face an uphill battle arriving in New Eden. New competition will grow when you blueberries start getting better. Just use your brain for a bit. Just for a little bit. Yes, the situation is rough. But to think, if you challenge yourself. Again, if you challenge yourself and go head to head against the protos. If you attempted; can you imagine what you will learn that will stick with you throughout your mercenary career? You will learn how to use cover better because damn those protos can kill quick. You will learn about evasive maneuvers because you had to run your metal butt out of situations. You will learn how to attack, when to attack and when not to. Your aim will get better since every bullet counted against protos. That's looking at it objectively instead looking at the immediate and saying "oh man, I can't do this because of protostompers" Also, prototypes isn't the problem here. Most can get out of a prototype suit and just embarrass you with militia fits. Because its about skill, not about the suit. And when you start killing rookie prototype players who don't know that, you will understand. I've killed protos who thought because they are in a proto, they shouldn't fall to a lesser suit. In all the years I have followed EVE Online stories and Dust 514, New Eden has never been a place of mercy or grace. You either sink or swim. This is why you have met such fierce competitors on the battlefield. Because they didn't think like you and the OP did. They took to their rifles and got better, which made them fierce. A man who weathers the storm appreciates the sunshine but no longer fears the storm for he has become one himself Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2795	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:19:00 - [243] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? This game needs to be marketed as a hard mode FPS similar to the way Demon and Dark Souls is referred to. That way people immediately expect it to be hard and don't cry about it. It needs a disclaimer. WARNING: You should bring a bag to retrieve your prolapsed anus. ROFL!! +1 Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Azura Sakura Blood Eye Ravens 561	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:21:00 - [244] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? This game needs to be marketed as a hard mode FPS similar to the way Demon and Dark Souls is referred to. That way people immediately expect it to be hard and don't cry about it. It needs a disclaimer. WARNING: You should bring a bag to retrieve your prolapsed anus. Honestly, this game isn't hard. It just players that have "advantage" over other players make it hard. Not much you can do as a new player vs protostompers. How can you enjoy a game when you just get murdered over and over again and barely manage to get 1 kill. Players do have the right to use proto gear however they want but I still think using proto in pubs is a weak move for weak players, that is my opinion and call me noob all you want lol. Also nice thread pretty funny xD
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 206	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:25:00 - [245] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? This game needs to be marketed as a hard mode FPS similar to the way Demon and Dark Souls is referred to. That way people immediately expect it to be hard and don't cry about it. It needs a disclaimer. WARNING: You should bring a bag to retrieve your prolapsed anus. Honestly, this game isn't hard. It just players that have "advantage" over other players make it hard. Not much you can do as a new player vs protostompers. How can you enjoy a game when you just get murdered over and over again and barely manage to get 1 kill. Players do have the right to use proto gear however they want but I still think using proto in pubs is a weak move for weak players, that is my opinion and call me noob all you want lol. Also nice thread pretty funny xD Thanks, I try, it remind me of the tanker debates. Except not even asking for a nerf, Ar anything. Just some well constructed and properly aimed hate. And yet they defend themselves as vehemently as the tankers. It rather entertaining. Proto Stompers Information/Wanted board Tap, Tap
OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1290	Posted - 2014.01.24 11:52:00 - [246] - Quote War ravens came at us tonight in 3 fw matches, our squad fighting gallente, them 12 full proto players for caldari First match we lost on manus peak due to RR spam an dead blueberries, next match the complex vrs 11 WR, shotgunned the CEO in the face an had 3/4 points instantly hacked So they left battle lol, third match our sqd vrs 12 of them again (plus our ten no corp blues an there good 4 red berries) we broke their spirits again taking the whole 5 point map with D far away, an low and behold 3 ravens left before the match was over! These morons Pub stomp in proto constantly which is MEH, whatever, IF THEY WERE GOOD! But these fools win by straight equipment spam and lag lol. But the problem isn't the proto, it's how they afford the proto, these guys die too much to make profit, so they locked up all their districts and go into locked PC matches farming wp and making 4 million each per match and getting the clone packs refunded! Not by doing PC , not by winning PC but by cheating the system to make obscene amounts of isk to pub stomp lol, actually all their pc matches are either PFC friendly matches and they only recently started attacking people after being called out for locking, yet all their districts are still locked because this is the only reason they have members, once they lose districts if every they be unlocked, they will have no way to pay these players an they will leave after a major war. Yet if you do manage to snipe a district attack before they lock it after farming isk, be carefully the only 3 Ravens in the match will be the squad leaders to bring in the ringers, lol these precious locked districts is all that's keeping this corp alive, take them and they will have nothing! SCRUBS SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 134	Posted - 2014.01.24 12:48:00 - [247] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? That mindset is not on the cover or description info of this game, so just what the heck are you talking about? What keeps people from coming back here are folks who think like you who can't handle defeat or try to learn from it. Basically charmin soft players. Like I said, I got my ass kicked when I first arrived here too. You new guys aren't the only ones to face an uphill battle arriving in New Eden. New competition will grow when you blueberries start getting better. Just use your brain for a bit. Just for a little bit. Yes, the situation is rough. But to think, if you challenge yourself. Again, if you challenge yourself and go head to head against the protos. If you attempted; can you imagine what you will learn that will stick with you throughout your mercenary career? You will learn how to use cover better because damn those protos can kill quick. You will learn about evasive maneuvers because you had to run your metal butt out of situations. You will learn how to attack, when to attack and when not to. Your aim will get better since every bullet counted against protos. That's looking at it objectively instead looking at the immediate and saying "oh man, I can't do this because of protostompers" Also, prototypes isn't the problem here. Most can get out of a prototype suit and just embarrass you with militia fits. Because its about skill, not about the suit. And when you start killing rookie prototype players who don't know that, you will understand. I've killed protos who thought because they are in a proto, they shouldn't fall to a lesser suit. In all the years I have followed EVE Online stories and Dust 514, New Eden has never been a place of mercy or grace. You either sink or swim. This is why you have met such fierce competitors on the battlefield. Because they didn't think like you and the OP did. They took to their rifles and got better, which made them fierce. A man who weathers the storm appreciates the sunshine but no longer fears the storm for he has become one himself / sigh - You totally missed the point and only aided my point of view. This isn't about me. I have proto. I also chose to use basic gear, even starter fits and yes I do die a lot but I also kill protos. This isn't about those of us that weathered the storm. This is about enticing players and showing them the game is more than just the sum of its parts. This is about growing the community and increasing the amount of players in the game. For the GOOD of the game not its detriment. If one group of players can run proto forever , are obviously strong players, squaded up and are put up against noobs fresh out of the academy (Noobs that also didn't even get a proper tutorial) - what picture does that paint for new players? All you are left with are us guys. The ones that were too stubborn to quit. They wont stick around to bother to learn the challenges, they wont see the game for what it can be. They wont even fully understand why there gun does so little to the enemy yet they are shot up in a few rounds from some rail rifle 80+ meters away while there basic AR does nothing to the enemy. What I am saying is, many people probably would stick with this game and become hardcore players like you so want the game to be full of. IF and only IF they fully understood what was going on. Back when I started the game was a lot different (End of closed beta - into open beta) I also knew what to expect as I played EVE Online for many years. I am saying CCP could do a few things that would drastically help with player retention. This game can never be like EVE Online as it is instanced battles, we dont operate in an open sprawling single shard universe or 'level'. If we sit here and say - oh its fine screw those noobs that cant handle it - the game will die a death sooner rather than later. A few SMART decisions, a few smart additions to the game will improve the experience for people and give us all more people to shoot at. That's all I am saying.
Leupox Dior Science For Death 10	Posted - 2014.01.24 13:30:00 - [248] - Quote I love to play in my militia-adv gear againt Proto Stompers, it makes the game hard and challenging. And it gives me great satisfaction if I Militia-Stomp the Proto-Stompers instead and if I get stomped... well I guess they can only handle me in Proto gear Running in limited (militia-adv) gear is like doing kung fu with weights, it will only make you a better player. 'Fossil' Militia Minmatar Medium Frame + M209 Assault Submachine Gun Soundcloud
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2168	Posted - 2014.01.27 06:11:00 - [249] - Quote I'm still pretty upset i am not up there... Part of the reason i run proto gear is to p*ss off people who hate proto gear users. Selling Rare Templar BPO's 250Mil ISK
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 277	Posted - 2014.01.27 06:23:00 - [250] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'm still pretty upset i am not up there... Part of the reason i run proto gear is to p*ss off people who hate proto gear users. Gimme that templar bpo and I'll put you on iy Proto Stompers Information Tap (x°x) tap

Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 390	Posted - 2014.01.27 08:09:00 - [251] - Quote I think I might've killed psychotic shooter with my plasma cannon in a game where we were getting stomped (that's my anti-stomping fit - plasma cannon. Feels cooler than remotes). Now give me ISK. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
N7 Operative Anthony WarRavens League of Infamy 16	Posted - 2014.01.27 15:45:00 - [252] - Quote But I love wearing black on the battlefield, and using my black and red weapons. It's not my fault I can afford using the best gear.
LT apparition Molon Labe. 65	Posted - 2014.02.11 11:37:00 - [253] - Quote haha people be Like Ah !! Proto! Knowledge and Patience, Only Counter to Skill.
Shruikan Iceeye 0uter.Heaven 153	Posted - 2014.02.11 12:08:00 - [254] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: devonus durga wrote: Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged. Its not proto players faults, its the fact that blueberries don't know how to aim, how to watch the radar, how to use basic tactics like cover & sticking together or flanking or when to use grenades, they don't know how to use scanners, uplinks, or nanohives, or how to call in vehicles. They are then using starter fits with 310EHP as well. These people are completely useless due to inexperience, and often less skill as well, the MLT gear being icing on the cake. This isn't just dust, take a 6 man party into COD and watch how quickly you spawn trap teams and steamroll everyone. In dust you're just playing a game with so few players that you're put up against the same seasoned veteran players using teamwork, tactics, and superior gear. This is why you will sometimes see a team with no squads but they will still stomp the other team, simply because each player knows what he's doing, while the other team has the blueberries mentioned above. This argument is nullified by the fact that good players know blueberries suck but STILL decide to use proto gear and high meta tactics to absolutely crush new players regardless whose "fault" it is. Don't act like you dont choose to run proto That Pretty Motherfucker
Shruikan Iceeye 0uter.Heaven 153	Posted - 2014.02.11 12:10:00 - [255] - Quote N7 Operative Anthony wrote: But I love wearing black on the battlefield, and using my black and red weapons. It's not my fault I can afford using the best gear. refer to my previous statement^^ That Pretty Motherfucker
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 151	Posted - 2014.02.11 12:19:00 - [256] - Quote The problem isnt the gear, it never has been . Its just numbers.They have 6 and your trying to put in work running solo or on a team that doesn't squad. 2500 wp's to orbital so that's 425 wp's a piece to do that? Which isnt hard. As far as Ambush goes IMO the vehicles shouldn't be in there and if they made an Ambush game mode without vehicles the one that allows vehicles in it would die over night. BF3 had 2 tanks a side not 6.Ambush is just ***** ****.Its often nnobs that dont know any better that join that game mode when PC matches are based on Skirmish.None of the cats you've put down up there give a what you think matter of fact they could probably care less and probably find your thread hilarious because any negative publicity is good publicity. Most of them will never run solo its just like any other fps clan. With TTK being so low that if 2 of them shoot at you at once you just die 2,4 or 6 times as fast.Most of the time they dont care because its still a corp mate who is killing you and thats all you see is "blah- se' " corp dude kills you again when 3 were shooting at you at the same time. There's just more of them on the same page.On comms and most of the time have more sp than whole squads of guys on your team. Most of the time you're not going to find any of these guys running solo there too * for that ,but welcome to the Fps genre and welcome to Dust. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist


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