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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.24 10:09:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Michael Arck wrote:No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better.
HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak?
This game needs to be marketed as a hard mode FPS similar to the way Demon and Dark Souls is referred to. That way people immediately expect it to be hard and don't cry about it.
It needs a disclaimer.
WARNING: You should bring a bag to retrieve your prolapsed anus.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
2795
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Posted - 2014.01.24 10:17:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Michael Arck wrote:No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better.
HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak?
That mindset is not on the cover or description info of this game, so just what the heck are you talking about? What keeps people from coming back here are folks who think like you who can't handle defeat or try to learn from it. Basically charmin soft players.
Like I said, I got my ass kicked when I first arrived here too. You new guys aren't the only ones to face an uphill battle arriving in New Eden.
New competition will grow when you blueberries start getting better.
Just use your brain for a bit. Just for a little bit. Yes, the situation is rough. But to think, if you challenge yourself. Again, if you challenge yourself and go head to head against the protos. If you attempted; can you imagine what you will learn that will stick with you throughout your mercenary career? You will learn how to use cover better because damn those protos can kill quick. You will learn about evasive maneuvers because you had to run your metal butt out of situations. You will learn how to attack, when to attack and when not to. Your aim will get better since every bullet counted against protos.
That's looking at it objectively instead looking at the immediate and saying "oh man, I can't do this because of protostompers"
Also, prototypes isn't the problem here. Most can get out of a prototype suit and just embarrass you with militia fits. Because its about skill, not about the suit. And when you start killing rookie prototype players who don't know that, you will understand. I've killed protos who thought because they are in a proto, they shouldn't fall to a lesser suit.
In all the years I have followed EVE Online stories and Dust 514, New Eden has never been a place of mercy or grace. You either sink or swim. This is why you have met such fierce competitors on the battlefield. Because they didn't think like you and the OP did. They took to their rifles and got better, which made them fierce.
A man who weathers the storm appreciates the sunshine but no longer fears the storm for he has become one himself
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
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Posted - 2014.01.24 10:19:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Michael Arck wrote:No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better.
HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? This game needs to be marketed as a hard mode FPS similar to the way Demon and Dark Souls is referred to. That way people immediately expect it to be hard and don't cry about it. It needs a disclaimer. WARNING: You should bring a bag to retrieve your prolapsed anus.
ROFL!! +1
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
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Azura Sakura
Blood Eye Ravens
561
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Posted - 2014.01.24 10:21:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Michael Arck wrote:No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better.
HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? This game needs to be marketed as a hard mode FPS similar to the way Demon and Dark Souls is referred to. That way people immediately expect it to be hard and don't cry about it. It needs a disclaimer. WARNING: You should bring a bag to retrieve your prolapsed anus. Honestly, this game isn't hard. It just players that have "advantage" over other players make it hard. Not much you can do as a new player vs protostompers. How can you enjoy a game when you just get murdered over and over again and barely manage to get 1 kill. Players do have the right to use proto gear however they want but I still think using proto in pubs is a weak move for weak players, that is my opinion and call me noob all you want lol.
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
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Posted - 2014.01.24 10:25:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Michael Arck wrote:No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better.
HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? This game needs to be marketed as a hard mode FPS similar to the way Demon and Dark Souls is referred to. That way people immediately expect it to be hard and don't cry about it. It needs a disclaimer. WARNING: You should bring a bag to retrieve your prolapsed anus. Honestly, this game isn't hard. It just players that have "advantage" over other players make it hard. Not much you can do as a new player vs protostompers. How can you enjoy a game when you just get murdered over and over again and barely manage to get 1 kill. Players do have the right to use proto gear however they want but I still think using proto in pubs is a weak move for weak players, that is my opinion and call me noob all you want lol. Also nice thread pretty funny xD
Thanks, I try, it remind me of the tanker debates. Except not even asking for a nerf, Ar anything. Just some well constructed and properly aimed hate. And yet they defend themselves as vehemently as the tankers. It rather entertaining.
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OZAROW
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.24 11:52:00 -
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War ravens came at us tonight in 3 fw matches, our squad fighting gallente, them 12 full proto players for caldari
First match we lost on manus peak due to RR spam an dead blueberries, next match the complex vrs 11 WR, shotgunned the CEO in the face an had 3/4 points instantly hacked So they left battle lol, third match our sqd vrs 12 of them again (plus our ten no corp blues an there good 4 red berries) we broke their spirits again taking the whole 5 point map with D far away, an low and behold 3 ravens left before the match was over!
These morons Pub stomp in proto constantly which is MEH, whatever, IF THEY WERE GOOD! But these fools win by straight equipment spam and lag lol.
But the problem isn't the proto, it's how they afford the proto, these guys die too much to make profit, so they locked up all their districts and go into locked PC matches farming wp and making 4 million each per match and getting the clone packs refunded!
Not by doing PC , not by winning PC but by cheating the system to make obscene amounts of isk to pub stomp lol, actually all their pc matches are either PFC friendly matches and they only recently started attacking people after being called out for locking, yet all their districts are still locked because this is the only reason they have members, once they lose districts if every they be unlocked, they will have no way to pay these players an they will leave after a major war.
Yet if you do manage to snipe a district attack before they lock it after farming isk, be carefully the only 3 Ravens in the match will be the squad leaders to bring in the ringers, lol these precious locked districts is all that's keeping this corp alive, take them and they will have nothing!
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.01.24 12:48:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Michael Arck wrote:No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better.
HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? That mindset is not on the cover or description info of this game, so just what the heck are you talking about? What keeps people from coming back here are folks who think like you who can't handle defeat or try to learn from it. Basically charmin soft players. Like I said, I got my ass kicked when I first arrived here too. You new guys aren't the only ones to face an uphill battle arriving in New Eden. New competition will grow when you blueberries start getting better. Just use your brain for a bit. Just for a little bit. Yes, the situation is rough. But to think, if you challenge yourself. Again, if you challenge yourself and go head to head against the protos. If you attempted; can you imagine what you will learn that will stick with you throughout your mercenary career? You will learn how to use cover better because damn those protos can kill quick. You will learn about evasive maneuvers because you had to run your metal butt out of situations. You will learn how to attack, when to attack and when not to. Your aim will get better since every bullet counted against protos. That's looking at it objectively instead looking at the immediate and saying "oh man, I can't do this because of protostompers" Also, prototypes isn't the problem here. Most can get out of a prototype suit and just embarrass you with militia fits. Because its about skill, not about the suit. And when you start killing rookie prototype players who don't know that, you will understand. I've killed protos who thought because they are in a proto, they shouldn't fall to a lesser suit. In all the years I have followed EVE Online stories and Dust 514, New Eden has never been a place of mercy or grace. You either sink or swim. This is why you have met such fierce competitors on the battlefield. Because they didn't think like you and the OP did. They took to their rifles and got better, which made them fierce. A man who weathers the storm appreciates the sunshine but no longer fears the storm for he has become one himself
/ sigh - You totally missed the point and only aided my point of view.
This isn't about me. I have proto. I also chose to use basic gear, even starter fits and yes I do die a lot but I also kill protos. This isn't about those of us that weathered the storm. This is about enticing players and showing them the game is more than just the sum of its parts.
This is about growing the community and increasing the amount of players in the game. For the GOOD of the game not its detriment.
If one group of players can run proto forever , are obviously strong players, squaded up and are put up against noobs fresh out of the academy (Noobs that also didn't even get a proper tutorial) - what picture does that paint for new players? All you are left with are us guys. The ones that were too stubborn to quit.
They wont stick around to bother to learn the challenges, they wont see the game for what it can be. They wont even fully understand why there gun does so little to the enemy yet they are shot up in a few rounds from some rail rifle 80+ meters away while there basic AR does nothing to the enemy.
What I am saying is, many people probably would stick with this game and become hardcore players like you so want the game to be full of. IF and only IF they fully understood what was going on.
Back when I started the game was a lot different (End of closed beta - into open beta) I also knew what to expect as I played EVE Online for many years. I am saying CCP could do a few things that would drastically help with player retention.
This game can never be like EVE Online as it is instanced battles, we dont operate in an open sprawling single shard universe or 'level'. If we sit here and say - oh its fine screw those noobs that cant handle it - the game will die a death sooner rather than later.
A few SMART decisions, a few smart additions to the game will improve the experience for people and give us all more people to shoot at. That's all I am saying.
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Leupox Dior
Science For Death
10
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Posted - 2014.01.24 13:30:00 -
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I love to play in my militia-adv gear againt Proto Stompers, it makes the game hard and challenging. And it gives me great satisfaction if I Militia-Stomp the Proto-Stompers instead and if I get stomped... well I guess they can only handle me in Proto gear
Running in limited (militia-adv) gear is like doing kung fu with weights, it will only make you a better player.
'Fossil' Militia Minmatar Medium Frame + M209 Assault Submachine Gun
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
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Posted - 2014.01.27 06:11:00 -
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I'm still pretty upset i am not up there...
Part of the reason i run proto gear is to p*ss off people who hate proto gear users.
Selling Rare Templar BPO's 250Mil ISK
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devonus durga
P.L.A.N. B
277
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Posted - 2014.01.27 06:23:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I'm still pretty upset i am not up there...
Part of the reason i run proto gear is to p*ss off people who hate proto gear users.
Gimme that templar bpo and I'll put you on iy
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
390
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Posted - 2014.01.27 08:09:00 -
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I think I might've killed psychotic shooter with my plasma cannon in a game where we were getting stomped (that's my anti-stomping fit - plasma cannon. Feels cooler than remotes).
Now give me ISK.
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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N7 Operative Anthony
WarRavens League of Infamy
16
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:45:00 -
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But I love wearing black on the battlefield, and using my black and red weapons. It's not my fault I can afford using the best gear. |
LT apparition
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2014.02.11 11:37:00 -
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haha people be Like Ah !! Proto!
Knowledge and Patience, Only Counter to Skill.
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Shruikan Iceeye
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.02.11 12:08:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:devonus durga wrote:Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged. Its not proto players faults, its the fact that blueberries don't know how to aim, how to watch the radar, how to use basic tactics like cover & sticking together or flanking or when to use grenades, they don't know how to use scanners, uplinks, or nanohives, or how to call in vehicles. They are then using starter fits with 310EHP as well. These people are completely useless due to inexperience, and often less skill as well, the MLT gear being icing on the cake. This isn't just dust, take a 6 man party into COD and watch how quickly you spawn trap teams and steamroll everyone. In dust you're just playing a game with so few players that you're put up against the same seasoned veteran players using teamwork, tactics, and superior gear. This is why you will sometimes see a team with no squads but they will still stomp the other team, simply because each player knows what he's doing, while the other team has the blueberries mentioned above. This argument is nullified by the fact that good players know blueberries suck but STILL decide to use proto gear and high meta tactics to absolutely crush new players regardless whose "fault" it is. Don't act like you dont choose to run proto
That Pretty Motherfucker
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Shruikan Iceeye
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.02.11 12:10:00 -
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N7 Operative Anthony wrote:But I love wearing black on the battlefield, and using my black and red weapons. It's not my fault I can afford using the best gear. refer to my previous statement^^
That Pretty Motherfucker
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Evicer
THE HECATONCHIRES
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Posted - 2014.02.11 12:19:00 -
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The problem isnt the gear, it never has been . Its just numbers.They have 6 and your trying to put in work running solo or on a team that doesn't squad. 2500 wp's to orbital so that's 425 wp's a piece to do that? Which isnt hard. As far as Ambush goes IMO the vehicles shouldn't be in there and if they made an Ambush game mode without vehicles the one that allows vehicles in it would die over night.
BF3 had 2 tanks a side not 6.Ambush is just ******* ********.Its often nnobs that dont know any better that join that game mode when PC matches are based on Skirmish.None of the cats you've put down up there give a **** what you think matter of fact they could probably care less and probably find your thread hilarious because any negative publicity is good publicity.
Most of them will never run solo its just like any other fps clan. With TTK being so low that if 2 of them shoot at you at once you just die 2,4 or 6 times as fast.Most of the time they dont care because its still a corp mate who is killing you and thats all you see is "blah- se' " corp dude kills you again when 3 were shooting at you at the same time.
There's just more of them on the same page.On comms and most of the time have more sp than whole squads of guys on your team. Most of the time you're not going to find any of these guys running solo there too ***** for that ,but welcome to the Fps genre and welcome to Dust.
Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute
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