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Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1199	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:19:00 - [151] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: excillon wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot Really...because I know a few guys in your corp who not only admit to protostomping but will call out the ones who do also. So basically your statement can be blown apart by members of your own corp. Nice try though. Myself also, I have two friends that I squad with from time to time that say the same thing, and have a player in my corp that has told me of the mandatory running of superior equipment, he used to be in Molon Labe, sooooo yeah, I'll back that up. There are some people told you can only run with these people (certain corps, individual's, etc.) and are kicked if they don't Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 62	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:25:00 - [152] - Quote List every major corp and there's usually a core of protostompers. Some corps have a larger core than others. Some corps fund protostomping. Hell, it wouldn't be a problem if matchmaking wasn't so merciless to newberries. That way, all the proto players would just fight each other. And if plenty of protostompers weren't trying to cheat (lag inducers, melee glitchers, glitchers and modded controllers i'm looking right at you) thier way towards victory. Which makes beating them all the sweeeter I find shotguns, hmgs, with complex damage mods, flux grenades, and remote explosives work pretty well against protos. That and good squad work of our own. And tanks. Lots and Lots of tanks. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5601	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:26:00 - [153] - Quote devonus durga wrote: True Adamance wrote: I shall use every proto suit in my arsenal if I see you on the field. Its not really that these guys need proto to carry them...its that in EVE, just like in Dust you reach a certain point when you are successful enough that you just need to use your ISK..... and why not use the best money can buy. HTFU mate, this is New Eden, its not fair, skill into your own proto and get this damn esports honour mentality out of your mind. That's fine, and I'll enjoy trying to blow you up with R/Es Long as its not a whole team worth of proto or a squad worth using cheap tactics, I don't mind protos Really cause last time I checked you were in a war. If they win its because they outsmarted you, took a better position, had better team work, or down right better gear.......and yeah I am a sucker when it comes to R/E I cannot escape them. Sig wanted......
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1199	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:29:00 - [154] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: List every major corp and there's usually a core of protostompers. Some corps have a larger core than others. Some corps fund protostomping. Hell, it wouldn't be a problem if matchmaking wasn't so merciless to newberries. That way, all the proto players would just fight each other. And if plenty of protostompers weren't trying to cheat (lag inducers, melee glitchers, glitchers and modded controllers i'm looking right at you) thier way towards victory. Which makes beating them all the sweeeter I find shotguns, hmgs, with complex damage mods, flux grenades, and remote explosives work pretty well against protos. That and good squad work of our own. And tanks. Lots and Lots of tanks. There is so much tank stomping in ambush and it's a little prevalent in skirm. and dom. but I always find my self against 2 other tankers, whenever I run tanks in ambush I go solo because more than 2 tanks is overkill and I am so often shut down by 3+ NS/NC running madrugar's with complex mods and ion cannons. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
JL3Eleven 1510	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:37:00 - [155] - Quote So many tears. So few buckets. iLB6 FUB9 Buying all officer weapons for 500k regardless of type.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 75	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:46:00 - [156] - Quote devonus durga wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Member specific details. Nyain San Pu-taaaann: spams core locus grenades Milkman- proto equipped madrugar blaster hav Molon labe Psychotic shooter: proto equipped madruga blast have, spawn camps in ambush and blind fires. Demons garwulff: advanced equipped missile tank, possibly has proto equipment on tank as well. Those two aren't in our corp I'd damn sure welcome them if you know something I don't. I will have to double check it I'm pretty sure they were in Molon, I'll confirm my information and update. Removed Molson from the main list, however still on the known list, as weather acidently due to matchmaking and number of squads running, coincidence, or just a few oddball members who engage in it, your corp does occasionally do it and warrants mentioning. My apologies, hire exiles, was discussing Molson when we were wing them at the time. Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 8 page debate, and still growing!
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 113	Posted - 2014.01.12 23:07:00 - [157] - Quote True Adamance wrote: devonus durga wrote: True Adamance wrote: I shall use every proto suit in my arsenal if I see you on the field. Its not really that these guys need proto to carry them...its that in EVE, just like in Dust you reach a certain point when you are successful enough that you just need to use your ISK..... and why not use the best money can buy. HTFU mate, this is New Eden, its not fair, skill into your own proto and get this damn esports honour mentality out of your mind. That's fine, and I'll enjoy trying to blow you up with R/Es Long as its not a whole team worth of proto or a squad worth using cheap tactics, I don't mind protos Really cause last time I checked you were in a war. If they win its because they outsmarted you, took a better position, had better team work, or down right better gear.......and yeah I am a sucker when it comes to R/E I cannot escape them. Teamwork, skill, SP fine. Scanner spam annoying as its easy mode for the users. But funny as hell when you can slip in under their precision as they are focusing on the blips they do see. Protoscanner spam... drop the Dampeners and go all tank or damage mods. Nanohive spam. For instance spamming nanohives around a supply depot well away from the conflict to farm supply points. Is that a tactical move or exploiting? Or using nanohives near the action not as re supplies but to cause lag as enemy combatants traverse the zone. Tactical intelligence or exploiting hardware limitations? Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 225	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:13:00 - [158] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: excillon wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot Really...because I know a few guys in your corp who not only admit to protostomping but will call out the ones who do also. So basically your statement can be blown apart by members of your own corp. Nice try though. Myself also, I have two friends that I squad with from time to time that say the same thing, and have a player in my corp that has told me of the mandatory running of superior equipment, he used to be in Molon Labe, sooooo yeah, I'll back that up. Really, who? Please be specific. There is no "mandatory running of superior equipment" -- that's BS. Perhaps you're confusing our PC policy where there is -- and assuredly you're not suggesting we intentionally handicap ourselves in PC. It certainly has never been a policy of my pubbing squads nor any other pub squads I've ever run with during my year or so playing with Molon Labe. Name names, please, and this time it would be nice if the players were actually in or corp -- unlike the tankers that were cited earlier in this thread have never been in ML. Thanks....Leadfoot
kneegrow face SAM-MIK 9	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:20:00 - [159] - Quote There is a problem with proto stompers ATM,it's not that they run only proto weapons/gear,(they earned it so they have the right too use it), it's not that they use good communication/ teamwork,the problem is all proto stompers(aka people with alot of sp and skill) stick together with their mostly proto corps, and they don't do **** to help out new berries.If the proto stompers can just get over them self's and start some corps that pick new to mid range players not just to farm them for isk but to help teach them and make them into better players, this game would be a lot better off. Mama always had a way of explaining things so I could understand them.
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 225	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:25:00 - [160] - Quote So you know, ML recruits new players all the time -- from the vets with 20M+ SP to rookies with only a few million. Many of us, including myself, participate in the Rookie forum, trying to share our experience with those needing help. For those interested, we also have a training and mentorship program once you get in ML -- which makes us better as a corp. Taken collectively, it may explain why some of our methods -- which tend to be successful and often result in lopsided victories -- might be misinterpreted as proto stomping. Respectfully...Leadfoot

Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 4	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:04:00 - [161] - Quote To the OP, I have played Ambush every night EST for at least three hours since 1.7 dropped. As you might have already observed each change CCP makes in the game requires adjustments to be made by the players. The new weapons and tank/AV tweaks have certainly made things interesting. You no doubt have seen these changes unfold: 1. Ever increasing numbers of multiple tank on tank battles 2. Jihad jeeps 3. Team members making an effort to lay down new spawn points to curb the camping. 4. Somewhat cooperative AV tactics I am sure there are more but these things have all started to become more prevalent in the last two weeks. As for proto stomping..... There is little a team of randoms can do to dominate against a six man squad that has been playing this game since or before the release of Uprising. The squad will have the advantage of communication, tactics and experience. If this squad is running proto gear the balance of their equipment and weaponry can be even more advantageous. I have seen a team of randoms pull it together and make the game very interesting against a full squad. The kind of interesting that every clone does count. Those kinds of games are the reason I still play. Sadly though in Ambush roughly 1 in 10 games actually comes down to the last few clones. From what I have seen, most Ambush games can be described in one of five somewhat simplified ways: 1. Game starts, three tanks drop, stomp squad scans and finds the enemy. Rest of team catches up and everybody camps the spawn. Drop multiple orbitals, game over in 4 minutes or less. Well that was awkward...if you are on the winning team....FML if you are not 2. Game starts relatively even but something happens before half clone count. One team is slightly more aggressive or skilled and the tide turns. The orbital seals the deal. Game over in 9-12 minutes. GG everybody. Now that is how you pull it together. 3. Close match throughout. 12 minutes in and it still is up for grabs. Each team has dropped their orbital and now all we need is two or three more kills and we got this....I gotta shoot somebody right now...damn it.....when will they put bells on the Scout suit......sneaky bastards.....now we are out of clones who hit zero first?. 4. Neither team is aggressive. Each stands on their side of the map firing in the general direction of the other team. Lines form. Nothing shifts or moves all that much. Nobody has much has dropped a LAV or HAV. Is this game going to time out before we clone them? It just might. Glad I made some popcorn before this match started, are we wearing underwear in these suits? what if it rides up....is that why I cant seem to jump over this stupid railing?. 5. Game starts with 4 players on one side and 9 on the other. Six of the nine are in a squad. This kind of match will go one of two ways. The full squad leaves as not to engage in douchebaggery and let the randoms fight it out....or.... the four leave to avoid the butt hurt and then general tomfoolery commences for the next 14 minutes among the nine that remained. We have all been on both sides of these kinds of matches and everybody wants to on the winning side but frankly it is the evenly matched games that are truly the most fun win or lose. We are told to quit crying and "Get Gud". I know I'll never be "Gud" but I seem to learn more in the even matches and as a result I am getting better. There are nights where there always seems to be a full squad on the other team. Several matches in row and you see five or six different squads in different games but Scotty can never seem to bring these squads into the same match. I too have asked WTF. My frustration starts with the fact that all the players entering a match ended up on the Warbarge for about two minutes in earlier versions of the game. In that time a merc had a chance to join a squad. The longest I have spent in the Warbarge since the drop of 1.6 is 10 seconds. I suspect CCP has done this on purpose though I have no idea why....perhaps Squad Finder is their solution? If so, the general population of players have not embraced this feature as CCP might have intended. Back to proto stomping: I understand and have no problem with squads coming into Ambush and tuning up before a PC or FW match. For their point of view the ambush is a quick way to conduct an assessment or see what changes need to be made before heading off to their match. In these matches randoms clearly see the power of a squad and the corps shake the rust off without serious consequences. I believe that is what happens in general but as you have noted one corp in particular has a habit of hanging around for what seems like hours just stomping for the sake of stomping. There is a big difference in my mind between maintaining ones skills by working with your suit inventory, training new corp members and developing weapon skills and tactics. I bet some players get together with fellow corp members and squad up and play just for the fun of it. Kinda seems like what this whole thing is about...wouldn't you say? As for the proto suits....If you got them and want to use them I have no right to say otherwise. But if you are just going to hang around for hours proto stomping, spamming tanks and spawn camping randoms because you can....well that is just plain douchbaggery. CCP owns the framework of the game. The player base to a large degree decides how the game is played.
Thor Odinson42 molon labe. Public Disorder. 2512	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:07:00 - [162] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: excillon wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: devonus durga wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Please add me to your list: Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ. Have fun....Leadfoot Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. I don't run core locus grenades, nor do I spam grenades. I'll have to work on that and get back to you. What's really funny about this whole thing, and it was mentioned by a few others if you'd care to listen, is that we don't really proto stomp, and certainly not nearly as much as some other corps. What we do like to do is win. And we try. For instance, you will never see me give up on a round. Never. If that means I die a dozen or more times and lose one or two million in a round, so be it. That's better than quitting. So, again, if we've killed you enough to warrant mention as one of two corps to proto stomp, I'm sorry. Keep gridning. Keep getting better at the game. If you've got the skill, eventually the tide will turn (generally somewhere around 8 or 10m SP is when we see it in our newer players -- sometimes earlier or later depending on their inherent skill). And the offer to squad with us, talk about this whole situation, and pick up some new tactics is still open. #sand castles Again, if you actually ran with us I think you would see the truth of things rather than judging us because you ran into a few buzzsaw Molon Labe squads, got beaten badly, and were in a rush to label us as bad guys -- when in fact we are really no different from you or your corp, except perhaps we have a bit more experience and SP. Take care....Leadfoot Really...because I know a few guys in your corp who not only admit to protostomping but will call out the ones who do also. So basically your statement can be blown apart by members of your own corp. Nice try though. Myself also, I have two friends that I squad with from time to time that say the same thing, and have a player in my corp that has told me of the mandatory running of superior equipment, he used to be in Molon Labe, sooooo yeah, I'll back that up. Mandatory? Lol ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
8213 0uter.Heaven 1321	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:46:00 - [163] - Quote Protostompers and PC Corps are usually one in the same. PC funds this practice. Best scenario is Nyain San. Their districts stay locked and have the sole purpose of funding their protostomping in pubs. They are a DUST 514 cancer. Normally, if Im on a losing PC battle I lose 1/2mil ISK in suites(except last week I broke a record and lost 2mil). To make up those loses I turn to pubs. I don't use blacksuits in pubs unless its a special circumstance. Its basically 2 seperate worlds clashing. PC vs Pubs... Its easy to get spoiled by top gear in pubs, because you can single handed crush a team unlike what you can do in PC on a regular basis. Its wrong to do and its hurting the game. I know for a fact certian players want to ride this game into death so they can stay on top forever. Its also hard to balance gear with PC and Pubs in mind. Take the Amarr Assault bonus. The SCR doesn't need a slower heat build up in pub matches, but in PC its 100% necessary. Fish in a bucket!
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 504	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:02:00 - [164] - Quote Lowkiie wrote: Also, One Corp that did not make the list is FACTION WARFARE ARMY. I have personally witnessed them clone sabatoging in Gallente FW. They come in on Gallente's side with a full squad and suicide and clone out gallente. THAT is underhanded and straight up exploiting. Of course, they're CEO is CBJ. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 504	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:04:00 - [165] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: J0hlss0n wrote: Well, if you see me on the other team in a pub match (or on your team), dont worry about me using proto, never go beyond advanced in pubs, that goes with modules/extenders etc also... with the exception of a proto forge on a advanced suit, that is needed in these days of tanks. =P If true you might be the only Molon with my respect I will back up Johlsson on this. He is a friend of mine and my corp. We squad up quite a bit when he has time and he NEVER runs proto. CEO Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
LT apparition molon labe. Public Disorder. 62	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:51:00 - [166] - Quote UH.... Sounds like a Personal Problem... but i do understand.... but eh... no real comments other than you should know " Knowledge, and Patience The only Counter to Skill" Knowledge and Patience, Only Counter to Skill.
Import Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 91	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:13:00 - [167] - Quote ?..keep coming evil protoguys.... funny post from op. chill out dude we have been kicked around like a year and we still keep shooting back. Only reason why we are not online as much as we used to be is because of eve. Maybe a laid back squad would help op to have more fun in teambased game. "If at first you don't succeed, mccdiving is not for you." Snowflake in hell those are my odds in ambush
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1209	Posted - 2014.01.14 00:14:00 - [168] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: So you know, ML recruits new players all the time -- from the vets with 20M+ SP to rookies with only a few million. We have no mandatory KDR or SP or equipment requirements -- all you have to be is interested in joining and a good squadmate. Additionally, many of us, including myself, participate in the Rookie forum, trying to share our experience with those needing help. I also actively answer noob-type questions in Local chat, and if you have any other ideas as to how to aid newberries in this game, I'm all ears. Just don't insult me or my corp for things we don't really do...don't use as evidence people who were never in our corp...don't say "two friends" or a "corpmate" and not names names...don't make up some policy of mandatory use of proto suits....or you'll get the reaction you see in this thread calling out the BS where it's seen. Listen, if you were to call me out for running proto suits, I'd freely admit it. If you call me a weak player because of it, I'd probably agree with you. However, to call our corp out for something don't really do with any frequency -- and when there are MUCH better examples from other corps -- is out of line, in my opinion. On a related note, we also have a training and mentorship program once you get in ML -- which makes us better as individuals, squads, and as a corp. Taken collectively, this might explain why some of our methods -- which tend to be successful and often result in lopsided victories -- could be misinterpreted as proto stomping. Respectfully...Leadfoot So my corp qsynced an FW in 1.6 against 8 ML/ML PC and 3 Lotis we out right crushed them they had about a half a tick when we cloned them not only did we severely murder there clones but MCC as well. Next match 10-20 minutes late about 8-10 Gens to the previous 12 and the opposing team 13 ML/ML PC and 3 KEQ they lagged the city so bad you couldn't move, it was worse lag than most PC's I have been in we couldn't do a thing and lost because of it (what was really funny was that it wasn't by the margin that we beat ML the first time unassisted by lag) Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Bax Zanith 0	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:36:00 - [169] - Quote Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2578	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:56:00 - [170] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I remember when all games used to have Dark Souls difficulty. And honestly, most who run proto can still give you a run for your money in STD gear. It might sound harsh but welcome to the brutality of New Eden. Start playing objective based games instead of always doing ambush. Objective based games increase your knowledge of strategy, which you can employ in Amb to a degree. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

Shutter Fly molon labe. Public Disorder. 169	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:07:00 - [171] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I've been running variations of this fit for the past week now 'Dragonfly' Scout G-I Militia Shield Extender Blueprint Combat Rifle ZN-28 Nova Knives ADV Quantum Active Scanner Complex Armor Repairer Enhanced Cardiac Regulator Probably about 2M SP worth of equipment right there, probably 6-7M of total relevant passive skill bonuses. I've been playing solo Skirm/Dom about 75% of the time, practicing for the upcoming NK event. My general performance for the week: >2 K/D >1 W/L Absolute minimum K/D in one game of about 0.8, maximum was >10. No more that 1/5 of full games ended w/ me in the bottom half of the board About 5-6M ISK earned I had one game earlier today against a full squad of mostly Proto corpmates, including Leadfoot and other self proclaimed Proto users. Both teams had squads, we had uptown and a few PFB, they had Molon and I believe another squad that I can't remember. I had no trouble killing my fellow Molon corpmates with the above fitting, going 11/5 (I had to play it a bit safe, having <300 eHP). I focused heavily and specifically on those using proto suits, and managed to burn about 5-6 full proto fits using only a basic CR, ADV NKs, and my superior wit . Specifically, I managed to kill Leadfoot's proto CalLogi 3 times, and I'm sure he's willing to confirm this
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2579	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:17:00 - [172] - Quote 8213 wrote: Protostompers and PC Corps are usually one in the same. PC funds this practice. Best scenario is Nyain San. Their districts stay locked and have the sole purpose of funding their protostomping in pubs. They are a DUST 514 cancer. Normally, if Im on a losing PC battle I lose 1/2mil ISK in suites(except last week I broke a record and lost 2mil). To make up those loses I turn to pubs. I don't use blacksuits in pubs unless its a special circumstance. Its basically 2 seperate worlds clashing. PC vs Pubs... Its easy to get spoiled by top gear in pubs, because you can single handed crush a team unlike what you can do in PC on a regular basis. Its wrong to do and its hurting the game. I know for a fact certian players want to ride this game into death so they can stay on top forever. Its also hard to balance gear with PC and Pubs in mind. Take the Amarr Assault bonus. The SCR doesn't need a slower heat build up in pub matches, but in PC its 100% necessary. I was agreeing until you said they are a cancer. It is my belief if it was cubs or any of the "elites" doing so, you guys wouldn't say much and just go along. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Leadfoot10 molon labe. Public Disorder. 236	Posted - 2014.01.14 16:37:00 - [173] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I've been running variations of this fit for the past week now 'Dragonfly' Scout G-I Militia Shield Extender Blueprint Combat Rifle ZN-28 Nova Knives ADV Quantum Active Scanner Complex Armor Repairer Enhanced Cardiac Regulator Probably about 2M SP worth of equipment right there, probably 6-7M of total relevant passive skill bonuses. I've been playing solo Skirm/Dom about 75% of the time, practicing for the upcoming NK event. My general performance for the week: >2 K/D >1 W/L Absolute minimum K/D in one game of about 0.8, maximum was >10. No more than 1/5 of full games ended w/ me in the bottom half of the board About 5-6M ISK earned I had one game earlier today against a full squad of mostly Proto corpmates, including Leadfoot and other self proclaimed Proto users. Both teams had squads, we had uptown and a few PFB, they had Molon and I believe another squad that I can't remember. I had no trouble killing my fellow Molon corpmates with the above fitting, going 11/5 (I had to play it a bit safe, having <300 eHP). I focused heavily and specifically on those using proto suits, and managed to burn about 5-6 full proto fits using only a basic CR, ADV NKs, and my superior wit . Specifically, I managed to kill Leadfoot's proto CalLogi 3 times, and I'm sure he's willing to confirm this Confirmed, you sneaky bastard. :)
Mikey The Bandaid D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 120	Posted - 2014.01.14 16:43:00 - [174] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: the proto stomping nyans only do ambush and dom, so simply play scrim :P melon lube arnt very good with the exception of their PC team wich also only plays ambush and dom so play scrim ancient exiles dont have any glitches to exploit so they currently arnt a problem STB was never all that great to begin with so i dont understand why people think they are... they hold districts in PC becuase they perma lock them not because they can actually keep them :P "proto stomping" is unavoidable in a game where the entire endgame currently consists of getting proto gear and using it... pointless thread is pointless, although i do awknowledge that it looks like you put some decent work into it, but unfortunatly this is general disscussion so its not going to survive long. You mad bro. Perma locking isn't something we tend to do BTW. I can vouche for STB on this one. We have had many of fights against them in PC, always a good fight too! Sadly that is not the case for the rest of the members in the Public Disorder alliance.
Bax Zanith 0	Posted - 2014.01.14 16:49:00 - [175] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Bax Zanith wrote: Protos; put your isk where your mouth is. Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing. Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I remember when all games used to have Dark Souls difficulty. And honestly, most who run proto can still give you a run for your money in STD gear. It might sound harsh but welcome to the brutality of New Eden. Start playing objective based games instead of always doing ambush. Objective based games increase your knowledge of strategy, which you can employ in Amb to a degree. I like how you just assume I only play ambush. I avoid ambush most days. A: its only team death match, nothing interesting. B: too many tanks, only one AV guy; me. Yesterday I played a few skirmish and domination matches. In every match, a mojority of the red team were protostopers, with maybe two or three randoms. It happens everywhere in any gamemode, not just ambush. On a side note, I have all skills needed for a proto heavy, except for the suit itself. So one day I got myself a couple neo sentinels and strapped three complex plates to it, along with an enhanched armor rep, and of corse, boundless HMG. The only diferench I noticed was lasting one fourth of a second longer. This leads me to think that perhaps TTK is half of the problem, but perhaps its not. You be the judge. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Ku Shala Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 752	Posted - 2014.01.14 17:32:00 - [176] - Quote Is this really a thread? get it to the war room before these bleeding kitties get themselves stomped by blueprint gear the only place proto deoesn't belong is academy Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Apply today! For the State Caldari Loyalist
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 783	Posted - 2014.01.14 17:42:00 - [177] - Quote Put a bounty on me and make sure it's a nice one...
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 138	Posted - 2014.01.14 17:45:00 - [178] - Quote All I got from the OP was: "Wah! wah! I'm a crybaby with no skill and want to vent my frustrations about it!" This is New Eden. There is no such thing as "fair play" when it comes to any form of PvP. Better get used to it or get the hell out. If you are serious about actually killing the proto stompers however, I wish you a sincere good luck and I hope you get your revenge.
Jake Bloodworth molon labe. Public Disorder. 279	Posted - 2014.01.14 17:50:00 - [179] - Quote I ran a few games last night where our Squad Leader asked us to run advanced and lower only. I don't usually care for that kind of stuff, but I broke out the BPO Dren Heavy. My Dren Heavy is full BPO with the exception of a MH-82 HMG. Literally the only difference between that game and my proto games was my logi's being more challenged to keep me alive. I had half the HP and half the damage. I still put up a 24/2 on an open map. My suit had nothing to do with it. My score would have been similar if I was in proto. Teamwork and maxed core skills is what won the game. No amount of proto shaming will change the fact that many of us have played together for a very long time. We have maxed out skills. We understand maps. BPO or Proto, the average Dust player is still handed a beat down by vets. For some reason, there are just more tears when proto shows up in the kill screen. Personally, I appreciate being proto stomped. It gives me an excuse for my lackluster games.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1580	Posted - 2014.01.14 18:34:00 - [180] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: No amount of proto shaming will change the fact that many of us have played together for a very long time. We have maxed out skills. We understand maps. BPO or Proto, the average Dust player is still handed a beat down by vets. For some reason, there are just more tears when proto shows up in the kill screen. Personally, I appreciate being proto stomped. It gives me an excuse for my lackluster games. Works wonders. "Man, I would have totally kicked a$$ all over the place if only they hadn't been in all that proto gear!" Going 5/12 had absolutely nothing to do with drunkeness and not paying attention, I swear. (Now, when two elite corps hook up in FW and the officer gear starts coming out like the other night, just keep me out of the crossfire. I want nothing to do with a bunch of heavy's running around the Gallente facility with Gastuns! I nedd more motivation than guardian points to get anywhere near that) "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor! Forum Warrior level 1



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