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devonus durga
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This thread shall be used to publicly aknowledge the scions of no skill so that others might be aware of their actions, transgressions, and take appropriate action to either avoid or kill such members. Please be aware that all these groups commonly run with plentiful numbers of nanite injectors and that should you choose to engage them, it is recommended that you not only kill them, but make sure their non revivabke by headshotting them, blowing them to bits, or shooting their body after its down. I reccomend this to such an extent that you ignore their other near. Ye players to insure their 200k suit stays dead.
The best tactics for handling these corporations is to use a cheap disposable suit armed with remote explosives. With the exception of certain heavy builds, no proto suit can survive a remote, and they do not need to be double tapped. I personally reccomend a militia scout shotgunner build. Dampeners are useless as they regularly have at least one proto scanner available.
I encourage players to not associate with these players as they ruin the game and abuse the match making system. I have marked some as deserving of faction warfare team killing due to the unrepentant and abusive actions, and that perhaps some repercussions for said actions will at least give them pause before steam rolling some newberries and those less skilled/experienced.
Nyan San/chan:
Well known proto stompers from japan. This corp is rarely found as an individual and is often squaded with a full squad of other proto sompers, usually from their own corp though known to squad and que syn with other known proto stomp corps. They are fond of using proto tanks with proto logo suit drivers who will hop out to repair their vehicle, allowing them to have more hardeners and damage mods then most proto tankers. They rarely role rail gun tanks but will often bring 3-4 proto blaster tanks to the field. When not using tank squads they will use the ,latest FoTM weapon, at this current time proto rail rifles, usually assault. Several of their members will also use core locus grenade spam so avoid bunching in groups, and remember that their blast radius is larger then other locus grenades. They are also well known users of the equipment lag glitch, however the recent patch seems to have fixed this to an extent. They will also commonly use cheap locations such as the mushroom top, or other unassaultable locations if the situation warrants. Most commonly found in ambush. Their actions warrant FW killing in my opinion
Molon labe:
Another proto group, currently quite fond of rolling squads of proto tanks, all blaster as observed thus far. Not to be under estimated out of their tanks, and often found squaring with or que syncing with other proto corps, including nyan. They also have several associated groups that occasionally role with them, however rest assured if you see at least 3 of these members, they are most likely in a squad of 6, from composed of lesser known allied corps or other proto corps, and most likely all running proto gear. They will also use mlt tanks once any possible enemy tank threat has been neutralized, so if you want to hurt them the worst, kill their initial tanks if you can. They are also known to utilize assault dropships and it is not uncommon for them to field 2 or more if they do. Found in ambush and doms. Also warrants faction warfare team killing.
Ancient exiles: not as commonly found as the first two, squads and que syncing squads are still a regular occurance, and often consists of at least 1-2 tanks. Little other Intel is known of their tactics and associations with other corps, however they still pose a threat when found in public matches
Sver True blood: A large corp with many members, not all of whome proto stomp, however when found In A full squad of their own it is more or less gaurenteed to consist of all proto players. When found they do not utilize tanks as much as the others, however that does not mean they will not do so. Their corps proto players seem quite fond of HMGs and it is not uncommon to find 2 or more protons backed by logo support.
There are many many other corps in addition to these who engage in such actions, however these are the more common offenders. Other offending parties include
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I would offer isk bounties on these players however such is outside my budget at this time, if any body wishes to discuss become patron for such bounties however please message me in game. I will continue to update this as tactics, corps, and other information becomes available, and encourage players tobrag by provideing kill screens, information, and other such details pertaining to proto stompers.
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Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged. |
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Posted - 2014.01.11 15:52:00 -
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Most of these corps are large, I'm not saying all their members are guilty, or a threat. However their corp is known to regularly proto stomp and que sync. I'm going to start paying more attention to individual members responsible, however their members are still guilty by association, and there for worthy of being shunned if not killed. Giving a pass to one just leads to giving them all a pass, when really all of them are guilty of either doing it or supporting it. |
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:devonus durga wrote:Not really, I rather enjoy running guerilla warfare against them. Its when I'm number one for my team with 200 wp that I realize just what these corps are doing to the game. Till match making is fixed players need to be for warned and armed, and fr those willing, to attempt to do something, or at least bring satisfaction to others wronged. Its not proto players faults, its the fact that blueberries don't know how to aim, how to watch the radar, how to use basic tactics like cover & sticking together or flanking or when to use grenades, they don't know how to use scanners, uplinks, or nanohives, or how to call in vehicles. They are then using starter fits with 310EHP as well. These people are completely useless due to inexperience, and often less skill as well, the MLT gear being icing on the cake. This isn't just dust, take a 6 man party into COD and watch how quickly you spawn trap teams and steamroll everyone. In dust you're just playing a game with so few players that you're put up against the same seasoned veteran players using teamwork, tactics, and superior gear. This is why you will sometimes see a team with no squads but they will still stomp the other team, simply because each player knows what he's doing, while the other team has the blueberries mentioned above.
So you would blame the baby for burning his hand in the fire place rather then the mother? No it is proto sompers faults, they role pubs for the sole satisfaction that it is mostly blueberries there, and some of them are just plain dirty about it. We can say its match making fault etc etc, but every one of these corps regularly que syncs as well, which abuses the system. You don't need 10-12 proto plays to win a pub, you need 10-12 proto players to STOMP a pub, with minimal risk to themselves. Its like pitting a team of NFL players against a jr high football team, its pointless. |
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Exiles are not as guilty no, I rarely find them que syncing but occasionally they, and when they do, its all proto. I actually respect them, however I have also caught them using squads of proto tanks occasionally, which is as bad and op as a que sync, at least at this current build.
Regardless even one squad of proto is the to much unless against another squad of proto. I can regularly have a 3+ kdr against newberries running a basic assauult with a gek, running full proto in pub is just over kill.
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The two are incomparable. Except for weapons doing more damage, most fps you don't suddenly gain 800 more HP over what you started with by being a vet. And the damage increase is also a lot higher over the DMG increase from most fps games |
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OK, no more acknowledging the proto defenders...
Oh and in regards to your reguary facing each other part? Yeah I know, I was in a match like that two days ago. Funny thing, it was a good match, both sides neck and neck..... and then around 20 clones left, our nyans suddenly dissapeared, all 5 of ya. Were still in match, ddidn't die most had no deaths, which was funny I thought, very few of the other nyans died either....
Regardless I made the mistake f trying to reason with you, no clue why. Your not going to admit your wrong or concede that you have to be cheap to pad your sp/kdr/isk/ego. |
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:devonus durga wrote:Regardless I made the mistake f trying to reason with you, no clue why. Your not going to admit your wrong or concede that you have to be cheap to pad your sp/kdr/isk/ego. I don't care for any of that, i just play casually that why i use proto because it is just the best stuff and i can do a lot more with it. If i wanted to go hardcore would i not just use standard suits and try to save ISK and camp. I don't care about ISK thats why i use proto.
I'm not saying running proto is bad, you worked hard put the time in got the gear, go ahead run it. Just don't feel the need to run with 5-10 other people all the time constantly. And I actually almost added your corp to the watch list lol.
Its not people running proto that ruins the game, its the peoplwho do it in such a way as take the fun out of it for everyone else in the match that does. |
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By proto tank I mean tanks running proto turrents and triple hardeners and the like. |
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When I run into the occasional squad or two yeah, when I run against the same 10 peopl in 3 or 4 matches? Nahhh
And abusing something that is broken, is OK? Be it matchmaking, the equipment lag issue, tank spam, etc.
And I didn't say team work was bad, I run in a squad regulary, heck I don't even mind que syncing if its not 12 guys all running proto. Half the fun of the game is running together. But there are corps who abuse their power, the system, current OP weapons/mechanics, etc, and just make the game no fun for anyone else. When you ruin the game for other people, its wrong, period, and there are certain corps that do this consistently, and the only reason they do it s because they can.
That's what this topic is about. Not protons in general, not teamwork, its about those who consistently abuse the current state of the game and conti uously do it. sver and exiles are good about it usually, thiwr just there BC when they do do it, new players and less equipped players need to be prepared.
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The things I listed next to the corps are just the tactics they see, not necessarily something that's abusive, just something to be aware of if you decide you want to try and fight them. |
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:If the OP hadn't been sending so much hate mail, I would have sent them some ISK for continuing to push.
The matchmaking was terrible in the matches that brought this on. I switched to a scout BPO suit and ran around with a scrambler pistol in two of them. It happens, but I can tell you that I'm not going to run **** gear all the time out of some pathetic belief that using gear that I earned is bad.
Kuddos to the OP for running in a squad and bringing it hard in those matches. Lay off the hatemail and QQing and keep getting better.
Yeah, I was tad miffed that night, my apologies. I actually need to send that whole group apologies, the rage boiled over, which partially resulted in this as I need to do something constructive with my rage besides yell at people. |
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:devonus durga wrote:When I run into the occasional squad or two yeah, when I run against the same 10 peopl in 3 or 4 matches? Nahhh
And abusing something that is broken, is OK? Be it matchmaking, the equipment lag issue, tank spam, etc.
And I didn't say team work was bad, I run in a squad regulary, heck I don't even mind que syncing if its not 12 guys all running proto. Half the fun of the game is running together. But there are corps who abuse their power, the system, current OP weapons/mechanics, etc, and just make the game no fun for anyone else. When you ruin the game for other people, its wrong, period, and there are certain corps that do this consistently, and the only reason they do it s because they can.
That's what this topic is about. Not protons in general, not teamwork, its about those who consistently abuse the current state of the game and conti uously do it. sver and exiles are good about it usually, thiwr just there BC when they do do it, new players and less equipped players need to be prepared.
I understand where you are coming from...however, you play EVE? Check out how folks view the CFC or Goons. Any PVP game has this facet to some degree. The EVE / Dust universe just bring it into sharp focus as a factor of the game play. I'm on the receiving end of pub ambush beatdowns as often as I help deliver them...I'm an average solo player and excellent teamplayer. Everytime I see a guy on the board go 43/1 or get rolled by a Nyain San pub ambush ROFLSTOMP in less than 5min it doesn't make me upset at anyone but myself and I keep trying to get better. Again, I understand your beef with the situation, however, if you have groups of very experienced guys that want to run together the outcome is pretty much forecasted. To me the current solution is to get better individually and build a stronger Corps so you aren't on the receiving end as much. That said, the long term answer clearly has to be baked into the game via matchmaking, PVE options, corp battles, ect.
Agreed on all points, except there are other options as well, we all know the player base is dropping, we all know what some of the reasons are. We can wait for CCP to take initiative soonGäó, or dissuade its use individually. We all justify it will well that corp does it etc etc etc. Some. Corps I do believe are laying off on the pub stomps, others not so much, but the only other thin we can do is dissuade its use by attempting to impose penalties as a player base, and making sure our new berries know just what is going on and how to deal with it or fight back.
It won't stop, ever probably. The imbalance drives aur purchases and there for will always bepresent, but the iimbalance is no longer providing a challenge for most players or driving sales, its more a brick wall to pound your face against. If I hadn't found a corp shortly after starting I probably would have stopped this game a week after I picked up again. |
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Leadfoot10 wrote:I'm not sure where you're getting your "observations" from....
We don't queue sync with Nyan San.
We don't queue sync much at all (it's literally been months since I've seen us do that, and we did it to practice intra squad tactics for PC).
If you don't like our proto suits (or those of us that run them), kill us enough to warrant stop using them.
Until then, you'll have to accept my apology for our killing you so much it warrants public QQ....or consider our squads a challenge to try to overcome....Leadfoot
Well the match me and Thor are referencing had 10 of you.... so -shrugs- I know coincidences happen but its also not the first time. And no thnx Thor.
I'm not saying your bad people. I actually know a few cool people from most of those corps, it doesn't change my opinion of the general tactics employed, even if only occasionally. And considering I spammed all 10 of you with hate mail, I doubt I would receive a happy welcome. |
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That was actually me astatorth, and I sent out apologies earlier, as the hate mail was uncalled for. And there were 10 ofnou that match so regardless what Molson does normally do, they are still purveyors of the proto stomp, even if only occasionally. And when they do do it, is as bad as nyan or any others. We can't ignore it just be cause its done by one corp less then others. It would be a lesser form of ignoring a murderer who only murders some of the time.
And I did just come out of match against a full squad of pro molons, it was fun, enjoyable, and we still lost. Teamwork is king regardless of fit as you all like to say, and its true and I prefer the fact that working together makes you more successful in this game. However rolling proto consistently and in outrageous numbers is just a stomping, and ruins the fun for the other 16 players n the other team, son why is it necessary for ANY corp to proto stomp when they can achieve the same results without it, and still let the other side have fun? Except in response to enemy protons which I concur with whole heartedly. |
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Lowkiie wrote:Also, One Corp that did not make the list is FACTION WARFARE ARMY. I have personally witnessed them clone sabatoging in Gallente FW. They come in on Gallente's side with a full squad and suicide and clone out gallente. THAT is underhanded and straight up exploiting.
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Second post will now reflect member specific data when it becomes available. |
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Join us or die, sounds very nazishl to me. I shouldn't have to join a top 50 corp to have fun, and considering the tactics they use I would never join them. |
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OK with well some top 50s yes, not saying the top 50 corps are all cheap, but its still a moot point if I have to join a larger better equipped corp just to have fun. And PS I still wouldn't have fun Cruz even if my other 5 squad mates are running full proto and owning I won't keep or gain half as much experience or have half as much fun. Since I'm lesser equipped experienced and they will kill everything before I can. I have done it, by accident, running solo where I'm on the same side as the somoes, and its bloodyboring. |
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:devonus durga wrote:Join us or die, sounds very nazishl to me. I shouldn't have to join a top 50 corp to have fun, and considering the tactics they use I would never join them. If you read my comments previous to that one I complemented your squad on playing hard. I'm putting you in the group that's playing the right way.
And that's the problem, even running the right way, there is no competition. I burned through 400k risk trying to fight back that round, running with my whole squad pulling out the stops. We still stood no chance, there was no challenge, no fun, nothing, it was me and t of my corp mates pounding our head off the wall of 10 proto molons because we could only field maybe field 3 advance suits, and no protons. It sucked, period, and if it was an uncommon experience I would OK fine, so their out of ourleague and they beat us, but its practicy every damb match except on the weekends when the weekend warrior newberries come out to play since its the weekend.
And I have a Corp, I have a moderate amount of experience sp and isk to throw around. But most of the people you steam role DONT, and they leave the game. I have lost 3 corp members this week be cause they just hated the game. What was I suppose to tell them? Don't worry it doesn't happen often? Because if it can happen 5 matches in a bloody row against different groups it sure as hell does. To stick around d through this **** for 6 months so that they can have the equipment and experience to compete? To go spend money on this game just so they can have a chance to possibly, maybe, if in a good squad, enjoy the game? Inwoukdnt drop a dime on this game since I know that I'll get rolled over in at least half the matches I play. |
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Bugz The Rabbit wrote:I has cirius question 4 u... do you not has proto gear to use in such cases as "proto stompers" are swallowing you? hrmmm becuz when I fights proto suits I switch to proto suit and continue to be awesome ;) maybe?
Lol, nope no proto, full advance suit that's bout it, and just shows that to complete, to have fun, you have to wait 6 months. Explaining that to newberries, corp mates, and other people is just getting old, and most of em quit at that point and I don't blame them in the slightest.
I sure as hell wouldn't want to grind through 6 months of getting my ass kicked just to be able to enjoy a game. (I only made it this far BC I started with 2.5 m sp from passive sp or some open beta reward idk} I can enjoy the game now because I know how to and who to avoid if I don't feel like dealing with stompers, and know how to fight back if I do. Not everyone wants to have to do those things to enjoy the game, they shouldn't have to leave match and try to find another one just to have fun (and I have had to leave 3 matches in a row thanks to proto stompers I saw n the other team), I shouldn't have to run a suicidal remote explosive scout and die 10time to get one kill ( though t does add a little to the satisfaction of that kill, its usually just plain frustrating}
On a side note, I won't be sleeping during 5x sp week, so I'll be fielding my own proto gear soonGäó hopefully.
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Leadfoot10 wrote:Please add me to your list:
Leadfoot10: Proto Caldari Logi and Assault. Generally runs a proto assault rail rifle (often with 2 damage mods) and a scanner. Uses proto equipment and has been seen spraying an SMG. Always runs in squads and usually as squad lead. Plays overly aggressive and has no gun game. Enjoys long walks on the beach, strafing, and QQ.
Have fun....Leadfoot
Thanks for the info, but it not really a defining characteristic. A lot of protons run rail rifle, and scanners, and double damage mods. These things should be expected of all protons and do not necessitate specific mention. Core focus grenade spam and spawn camping proto tanks, do however. |
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:in all honesty it sounds more to do with the bad matchmaking system than corps running proto or not and someone with lower sp got their a** handed to them. it happens and i know from experience with friends that it can discourage newer players. i finally convinced a bunch of friends to sign up or come back on after a few months break to try the game and i was running a low sp alt so we all had around 2mill sp and our first match planted us in an ambush with 2 full squads of Rainbow Effect back when they were running Ambs with vehicles and proto fittings and we went 0:80 on our team and from the look of the player table everyone on ourside was in starter corps. yeah our corp and myself run proto from time to time. i have around 26 different fits i can use in a match for dropping uplinks, hives, full logi, heavy and a slayer logi as well as bpo suits. you might get killed while am in my proto suit but be in wrong place at wrong time because the next minute al be running around in my templar sentinel with an exile
but if i choose to use proto then thats up to me. i've played and grinded my a** off to get to the 36m sp i have to use the suits i have effectivly and to earn the isk i do to run the proto suits. soetimes i can lose 2mill a match but if the match is a good battle i don't care. over the past few weeks my corp and myself have been in some great battles where its been really close and sometimes we won, sometimes we lost and we've gone 20+ kills and 10+ deaths on each side but so we come to the forums to whine about it? nah we send a GG to the other team cos they got their act together and retaliated.
DUST is primarily a squad based shooter and working together is in most part essential to win against a team of peopel who are working together. all you shy bluedots who are afraid to get on comms just need to grow a set and start playing together
Once again the issue is not proto equipment, teamwork, or anything else. It is those blatentky and REPETITIVELY make the game worse form others, by doing such things as running only proto and the like,
For all those of you who don't seem to get it. Next time your squad is against nyan San, role basic gear. No advance no nothing else, just basic. And your whole squad has to do it, not just one person, whole damb squad. Remember that match, and imagine havinfg to repeat the same damb match over and over and o er for the next six months. And then remember that all those millions of sp actually make your basic the equivalent of an advance.
You all came up together, skilled up together, been running for months and months and months. When you first started his game you were all equal, well equaled. I have yet to hear one person defend the actions of these people that has less the 10m sp. You realize there is a reason no one has? You all defend yourself but none of you have experienced anything similar to the current state of the game for newberries. Perhaps 1.7 made it worse with the addition of the vehicle spam, but proto stomping has always been an issue, and will continue to be till matchmaking is improved.
We all know matchmaking is an issue, both sides keep pointing it out, fine, but till CCP gets off their ass and fixes it its OK to just let it to continue to happen? I guess that's as good a reason to justify murder, no one stopped me.
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I know right? I'm about to start sending thank you messages to people who kill me with something other then a rail or combat rifle! Scramblers I don't actually mind to much, though I tink assault scrsmblers push it a bit. |
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Nirwanda, I do run with experienced players, not often because I prefer to run with my corp mates if I can, but I do, and I do enjoy it. And I'm not that upset over it, I still love how everyone makes this out about me, when in my opinion I'm doing better then average for a newberry. I actually have a .78 kdr, 3500 kills, and .98 win loss ratio, with 331k wp generated, and only been playing science Christmas roughly. My butt is quite soft and pleasant and doesn't hurt much at all except after the occasional match.
But I'm not your average player, I trow myself solo into ambush to get better, I grind out hours and hours of sp and ask, I theory craft while my corp dallies around and try to teach the newer players in our corp what I have learned from experience and the guidance of more experienced players. And then I rage as I watch countless matches where newberries, corp mates, friends, are brutalized put down, and frustrated for no other reason then that the players that have been here longer can do that to them. That is my issue, that is my butthurt, and that is the reason for this thread. |
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Horizen Kenpachi wrote:There are no proto tanks u fools and when i squad with my corp i only use my best with my best buds they deserve my 100 percent dedication otherwise whats the point being in a corp
No but there are tanks equipped with all proto modules and weapons, which is the proto tank ATM. |
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:devonus durga wrote:Member specific details.
Nyain San
Pu-taaaann: spams core locus grenades
Milkman- proto equipped madrugar blaster hav
Molon labe
Psychotic shooter: proto equipped madruga blast have, spawn camps in ambush and blind fires.
Demons garwulff: advanced equipped missile tank, possibly has proto equipment on tank as well. Those two aren't in our corp I'd damn sure welcome them if you know something I don't.
I will have to double check it I'm pretty sure they were in Molon, I'll confirm my information and update.
Removed Molson from the main list, however still on the known list, as weather acidently due to matchmaking and number of squads running, coincidence, or just a few oddball members who engage in it, your corp does occasionally do it and warrants mentioning.
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True Adamance wrote:I shall use every proto suit in my arsenal if I see you on the field.
Its not really that these guys need proto to carry them...its that in EVE, just like in Dust you reach a certain point when you are successful enough that you just need to use your ISK..... and why not use the best money can buy.
HTFU mate, this is New Eden, its not fair, skill into your own proto and get this damn esports honour mentality out of your mind.
That's fine, and I'll enjoy trying to blow you up with R/Es
Long as its not a whole team worth of proto or a squad worth using cheap tactics
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devonus durga wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:devonus durga wrote:Member specific details.
Nyain San
Pu-taaaann: spams core locus grenades
Milkman- proto equipped madrugar blaster hav
Molon labe
Psychotic shooter: proto equipped madruga blast have, spawn camps in ambush and blind fires.
Demons garwulff: advanced equipped missile tank, possibly has proto equipment on tank as well. Those two aren't in our corp I'd damn sure welcome them if you know something I don't. I will have to double check it I'm pretty sure they were in Molon, I'll confirm my information and update. Removed Molson from the main list, however still on the known list, as weather acidently due to matchmaking and number of squads running, coincidence, or just a few oddball members who engage in it, your corp does occasionally do it and warrants mentioning.
My apologies, hire exiles, was discussing Molson when we were wing them at the time.
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Vanell Sin wrote:The game gives them the option to wear proto suits and equipment so they do.
Its not that they do something wrong.
If you could afford it im sure you ll end up doing the same thing
Technicly I have proto, I have about 20 full proto state suits, more if I sunk the lap into the modules I need. Just don't see a reason to bring them out since I average a 2-2.5 kdr when not getting stomped, and 800-1000 wp, which is all I need or want out of an ambush. And against proto stompers, my one suit isn't going to make a difference, just waste all those hours spent grinding out caldari LP.
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Bax Zanith wrote:Protos; put your isk where your mouth is.
Spend a day in full STD gear and tell me we're whining for nothing.
Almost at 12mill sp, and dust 514 has been the FPS equivelint of Dark Souls. I remember when all games used to have Dark Souls difficulty. And honestly, most who run proto can still give you a run for your money in STD gear. It might sound harsh but welcome to the brutality of New Eden. Start playing objective based games instead of always doing ambush. Objective based games increase your knowledge of strategy, which you can employ in Amb to a degree. MOST proto can't do anything in ADV/STD fittings and if they can it's due to dmg mods stacked to the heavens. >.> Welcome to the Proto/Tank/RR/CR 514 :D They shall harvest your tears! So you're implying actual skill gained from the grueling and violent grind towards proto is all lost? Depending on the person.
Proto tankers and ads tend to be rather entertaining and easy to kill if you catch them outside their vehicles (not saying all are). Some of them forget what its like not to have 4k+ armor and 2000dps canon.
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:You understand that Nyain San has infinite ISK via PC farmer via locked districts. They run Proto All the time because price is no object.
Yes but I still relish being able to cost them some mony, better then laying in a ditch and waiting to die or notspawning in.
Why just today I killed around 15 of their protos across 6 matches or so, not much, but still cost them between 3-4m
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List updated in first post, second post now contains tips and reccomendations to grief... I mean punish, same team proto stompers. Please remember a proto sgomper is a proto stomper, weather in a squad doing it or not, weather they or their corp is, they still support it.
Please take appropriate action against all members of protostomping corps as found, be the individuals or in squads.
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Paradox as a whole seem pretty decent about pubs, and what happens in Fw is fine IMO. This is for those who do it consistently, only in a squad, and with the intention of stomp in.
Running proto solo, or even in a squad of 3 or 4 is OK. Heck even an occasional squad I wouldn't mind, its for those who consistently do it, without remorse or though for the community, and usually accompanied by particularly cheap tactics or devestatingly over powering means, or just plain don't give the pubs a break, and steam roll them constantly.
The occasional stomping is good for the newberry. It let's them know what their aspiring for, being rolled match aft match aft match, is not.
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Oh I saw you, but everyone on here already knows you. No point in fanning your vanity. Pretty much any proto tank is a proto stomper (proto equipped tank), if added them all it would be a bloody list 10 miles long. And yo do iT solo usually, which I can respect. Your corp isn't overly guilty, and I can't blame you if your backed up by 5 militia tanks.
So yes Charlotte, your a threat, but your a solo threat. And don't take that as a disc, its a compliment. You unto yourself however will not be added to the list, as you at least give people a chance to kill you, even if its bloody hard as all hell.
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Yes yes I know. Qq more htfu, get good nokb, welcome to eve, stfu, suck it up. Heard it all more or less. We are on page 12.
Tough the binky was a nice twist.
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Woohoo, this 5x sp event is great for grabbing all the stompers at their prime!
Still no cure for proto tank spam though.
Even more corps added to the list! See I'd your corp is cheap.... I mean gud enough to make the list!
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Aeon Amadi wrote:I always love this ****, I really do.
Can't tell you how many times I'll run standard/advanced gear and then get a message in my inbox about proto-stomping; doesn't make any sense. So I casually remind the person who I am, what I do and what I don't do...
... and then of course I run into a team of players using prototype gear, which persuades me to bring out my own to stay competitive. All of a sudden, inbox starts getting filled up again.
Or, my personal favorite, the time where I was injector spammed because I was using Prototype AV against the nigh invulnerable tanks in Faction Warfare. Or the time I was using my Proto sniper load-out to counter a Thale's on the enemy team.
And then, low and behold, I see this thread; which is actively chastizing entire corporations in a "guilt by association" manner with a few posts trying to justify and save face because of reasons. /sarcasm. But further more, someone made the decision to rope in vehicles into the mix... So while we're here discussing what we can and cannot use in a match without being publicly branded by someone(s) who just couldn't get over it, what the hell are we supposed to run if not something that fails to be competitive?
Standard Commando suits with Plasma Cannons and Breach Shotguns, anyone?
Personally I know no one will fix it, everyone will wait till CCP does etc. I'm just firwarnng nooblets and giving reccomendations to those who care to try and do something.
I'm well aware protostomping won't stop, regardless of whatever justification they want to use. I'm not asking you too, I'm just putting out information for others to use, as well.
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Meh, guilt by association is quite common accepted.
You choose your friends, and you chose your corp. If people hate your corp, suit, tactics, you get to deal with them, and this thread, because you chose all 3 of them.
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ANON Cerberus wrote:All people want is options.
A small group comparatively have the corp power / PC income to run full proto indefinitely regardless of costs.
Is that fair that they should be put up in battles against new players and other not so fortunate players?
Granted people can run cheap fits and make isk. However most average players CANNOT afford to use proto 24/7.
All we are asking is for one or two options so we can pick the 'challenge level'. A militia / standard game mode - and an advanced / proto game mode would probably suffice! I dont see why people dont get this.
Its all about balancing the matches so there is an actual fight, an actual battle and not just a slaughter fest red line stomp every 8 out of 10 games.
And till then I merely reccomend tactics and targets for the futile rage usually unable to be utilized by the common player. Most f yes are not satisfied wit soonGäó
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Michael Arck wrote:No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better.
HTFU
Why BC I give them targets tactics and ideas? Oh yes we are suppose to sit there and take it n the ass with a smile. Well forgive me if I shove a remote up your proto stomping squads ass.
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Azura Sakura wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Michael Arck wrote:No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better.
HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? This game needs to be marketed as a hard mode FPS similar to the way Demon and Dark Souls is referred to. That way people immediately expect it to be hard and don't cry about it. It needs a disclaimer.
WARNING: You should bring a bag to retrieve your prolapsed anus. Honestly, this game isn't hard. It just players that have "advantage" over other players make it hard. Not much you can do as a new player vs protostompers. How can you enjoy a game when you just get murdered over and over again and barely manage to get 1 kill. Players do have the right to use proto gear however they want but I still think using proto in pubs is a weak move for weak players, that is my opinion and call me noob all you want lol. Also nice thread pretty funny xD
Thanks, I try, it remind me of the tanker debates. Except not even asking for a nerf, Ar anything. Just some well constructed and properly aimed hate. And yet they defend themselves as vehemently as the tankers. It rather entertaining.
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I'm still pretty upset i am not up there...
Part of the reason i run proto gear is to p*ss off people who hate proto gear users.
Gimme that templar bpo and I'll put you on iy
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