DUST Search - proto stompers wanted board

Michael Arck wrote:

ANON Cerberus wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better.

HTFU

That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left.

Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak?

That mindset is not on the cover or description info of this game, so just what the heck are you talking about? What keeps people from coming back here are folks who think like you who can't handle defeat or try to learn from it. Basically charmin soft players.

Like I said, I got my ass kicked when I first arrived here too. You new guys aren't the only ones to face an uphill battle arriving in New Eden.

New competition will grow when you blueberries start getting better.

Just use your brain for a bit. Just for a little bit. Yes, the situation is rough. But to think, if you challenge yourself. Again, if you challenge yourself and go head to head against the protos. If you attempted; can you imagine what you will learn that will stick with you throughout your mercenary career? You will learn how to use cover better because damn those protos can kill quick. You will learn about evasive maneuvers because you had to run your metal butt out of situations. You will learn how to attack, when to attack and when not to. Your aim will get better since every bullet counted against protos.

That's looking at it objectively instead looking at the immediate and saying "oh man, I can't do this because of protostompers"

Also, prototypes isn't the problem here. Most can get out of a prototype suit and just embarrass you with militia fits. Because its about skill, not about the suit. And when you start killing rookie prototype players who don't know that, you will understand. I've killed protos who thought because they are in a proto, they shouldn't fall to a lesser suit.

In all the years I have followed EVE Online stories and Dust 514, New Eden has never been a place of mercy or grace. You either sink or swim. This is why you have met such fierce competitors on the battlefield. Because they didn't think like you and the OP did. They took to their rifles and got better, which made them fierce.

A man who weathers the storm appreciates the sunshine but no longer fears the storm for he has become one himself


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ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 131	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:02:00 - [1] - Quote All people want is options. A small group comparatively have the corp power / PC income to run full proto indefinitely regardless of costs. Is that fair that they should be put up in battles against new players and other not so fortunate players? Granted people can run cheap fits and make isk. However most average players CANNOT afford to use proto 24/7. All we are asking is for one or two options so we can pick the 'challenge level'. A militia / standard game mode - and an advanced / proto game mode would probably suffice! I dont see why people dont get this. Its all about balancing the matches so there is an actual fight, an actual battle and not just a slaughter fest red line stomp every 8 out of 10 games.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 131	Posted - 2014.01.24 10:04:00 - [2] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak?
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 134	Posted - 2014.01.24 12:48:00 - [3] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No you are creating soft minded mercenaries. That is a cancer. There are many people here who got the welcome to new eden butt whoopings when they first arrived, me included. Yet, we kept pushing on to becoming better. HTFU That type of mind set is why this game has not attracted or kept a lot of players. Keep that up and there will only be the proto pc corps left. Come on people are already unhappy that PC is basically the same few faces. Do you want new competition to grow or do you want them to get pissed off with the game before they even get their foot in the door so to speak? That mindset is not on the cover or description info of this game, so just what the heck are you talking about? What keeps people from coming back here are folks who think like you who can't handle defeat or try to learn from it. Basically charmin soft players. Like I said, I got my ass kicked when I first arrived here too. You new guys aren't the only ones to face an uphill battle arriving in New Eden. New competition will grow when you blueberries start getting better. Just use your brain for a bit. Just for a little bit. Yes, the situation is rough. But to think, if you challenge yourself. Again, if you challenge yourself and go head to head against the protos. If you attempted; can you imagine what you will learn that will stick with you throughout your mercenary career? You will learn how to use cover better because damn those protos can kill quick. You will learn about evasive maneuvers because you had to run your metal butt out of situations. You will learn how to attack, when to attack and when not to. Your aim will get better since every bullet counted against protos. That's looking at it objectively instead looking at the immediate and saying "oh man, I can't do this because of protostompers" Also, prototypes isn't the problem here. Most can get out of a prototype suit and just embarrass you with militia fits. Because its about skill, not about the suit. And when you start killing rookie prototype players who don't know that, you will understand. I've killed protos who thought because they are in a proto, they shouldn't fall to a lesser suit. In all the years I have followed EVE Online stories and Dust 514, New Eden has never been a place of mercy or grace. You either sink or swim. This is why you have met such fierce competitors on the battlefield. Because they didn't think like you and the OP did. They took to their rifles and got better, which made them fierce. A man who weathers the storm appreciates the sunshine but no longer fears the storm for he has become one himself / sigh - You totally missed the point and only aided my point of view. This isn't about me. I have proto. I also chose to use basic gear, even starter fits and yes I do die a lot but I also kill protos. This isn't about those of us that weathered the storm. This is about enticing players and showing them the game is more than just the sum of its parts. This is about growing the community and increasing the amount of players in the game. For the GOOD of the game not its detriment. If one group of players can run proto forever , are obviously strong players, squaded up and are put up against noobs fresh out of the academy (Noobs that also didn't even get a proper tutorial) - what picture does that paint for new players? All you are left with are us guys. The ones that were too stubborn to quit. They wont stick around to bother to learn the challenges, they wont see the game for what it can be. They wont even fully understand why there gun does so little to the enemy yet they are shot up in a few rounds from some rail rifle 80+ meters away while there basic AR does nothing to the enemy. What I am saying is, many people probably would stick with this game and become hardcore players like you so want the game to be full of. IF and only IF they fully understood what was going on. Back when I started the game was a lot different (End of closed beta - into open beta) I also knew what to expect as I played EVE Online for many years. I am saying CCP could do a few things that would drastically help with player retention. This game can never be like EVE Online as it is instanced battles, we dont operate in an open sprawling single shard universe or 'level'. If we sit here and say - oh its fine screw those noobs that cant handle it - the game will die a death sooner rather than later. A few SMART decisions, a few smart additions to the game will improve the experience for people and give us all more people to shoot at. That's all I am saying.