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Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:46:00 - [1] - Quote I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. *Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. I can has ISK
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 238	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:49:00 - [2] - Quote Lol brilliant, I can now go to sleep knowing I've more cop on than one more person in the world. Edit: My hat is off to you if you try this, as long as you don't qq on the forums, and let us know how you get on.
Khemlar Maktaar Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:50:00 - [3] - Quote When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 9	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:51:00 - [4] - Quote Message from Godin What in the actual **** are you talking about? The BPO LAV's are not being removed......
Paran Tadec Imperfect Bastards 1674	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:52:00 - [5] - Quote Can you not read? They are only removing militia equipment bpos.... Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1556	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:53:00 - [6] - Quote It's their game, there refunding you, i seriously don't see the problem here. Why can't everyone just be chill with this, and realize it's for the betterment of the game Dedicated heavy, tanker, and pilot. You could say i like heavy things.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:55:00 - [7] - Quote Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope The purchase agreement was with Sony and not CCP, therefore If Sony were to be the ones removing my BPOs then it would be a different matter, but seeing as its not, and CCP are the ones interfering with something that they were not party to, I am well within my rights as a consumer to lodge a complaint and seek legal advice. I can has ISK
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 9	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:55:00 - [8] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Can you not read? They are only removing militia equipment bpos.... Message from Godin: MLT module BPO's, and only the ones that won't exist after the update.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1192	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:56:00 - [9] - Quote Yeah... so... say you win your case and CCP backs down. Say they even email you and say, "You know what? You have a point. We're going to let you, and you alone, keep the BPO that we'd be refunding to everyone else." Well, congratulations. Because you will be in the possession of a BPO module THAT DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. They're only removing the BPOs for modules classes that are being removed from the game, folks. Your whining is for nothing whatsoever. And they're paying you back a pretty penny in AUR for it. Also, ready yer damn EULA. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 362	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:56:00 - [10] - Quote I love how people are complaining about the removal of four militia vehicle module blueprints. I'm beginning to think that some of the people on these forums don't know how to read without being blinded by some strange all consuming rage at nothing. By the way, for these particular items you bought the Aurum from Sony and then used the Aurum as credits for these items so... good luck Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.

Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 315	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:56:00 - [11] - Quote It won't work. Their licensing agreement is pretty tightly worded. link PROPRIETARY RIGHTS A. Ownership of Software, System and Game 10.As between you and CCP, CCP is the sole and exclusive owner of the Software, System, Game and Game Content (as defined below). The Software, System, Game and all Game Content are protected by law governing copyrights, trademarks and other proprietary rights. CCP reserves all rights not expressly stated herein. The Game is comprised of, without limitation, software code, programs, routines, subroutines, objects, files, data, characters (and items, currency, objects and attributes comprising or associated with a character or an Account), graphics, sound effects, music, animation, video, text, content, layout, design and other information downloaded from and accessible through the System (collectively, the "Game Content"). CCP, its affiliates, licensors and/or suppliers retain all of their right, title and interest (including without limitation all intellectual property rights) in and to the Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and no rights thereto are transferred to you, except for the limited license granted above. Basically, even if you paid money to get in-game content, CCP is still the owner of that content, and grants you no rights.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 481	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:57:00 - [12] - Quote Wow. Damn Imperials! Dust 514 belongs to the ARs!
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:57:00 - [13] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Can you not read? They are only removing militia equipment bpos.... Of which I have more than 30, that certainly tops my Blood Raider Saga and Ishukone Watch Saga, so my point still stands, and it's even more serious now. I can has ISK
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 868	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:58:00 - [14] - Quote Kinda sad you need a lawyer to read the EULA for you :(
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:00:00 - [15] - Quote I'm submitting another complaint as you read this comment right now, tell me what I can and can't do when consumer rights are involved. I can has ISK
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:04:00 - [16] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Kinda sad you need a lawyer to read the EULA for you :( EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. THAT is an underhand business tactic, exploitation and more than worthy of a complaint to the office of fait trading and consumer rights groups. I can has ISK
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 238	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:04:00 - [17] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I'm submitting another complaint as you read this comment right now, tell me what I can and can't do when consumer rights are involved. Haha, to be there and see your face when they tell you the story, pat you on the back and show ya the door.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1252	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:04:00 - [18] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. *Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Marston VC, STB director
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1193	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:06:00 - [19] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
trooper7041 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 20	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:07:00 - [20] - Quote Have fun paying legal fees for some cheap BPO. Even if you win, did you really? Sounds like you've just took whining to a whole new level.

Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 365	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:08:00 - [21] - Quote Four militia BPO's that if you got to keep would be worthless and if you got refunded would be worth what... a few cents, maybe a couple dollars? What are you gonna do, buy a Coke? Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 10	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:09:00 - [22] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Paran Tadec wrote: Can you not read? They are only removing militia equipment bpos.... Of which I have more than 30, that certainly tops my Blood Raider Saga and Ishukone Watch Saga, so my point still stands, and it's even more serious now. .... then how about petition for those modules back once they bring them back, and no refund, or just keep them ingame, but not allow us to use them or something, instead of saying, "** you, I'm taking you to Court about something you can't control!"? ***** moron.......
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 612	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:09:00 - [23] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Let it he a stupie guy who wants to sue a big company who has way better lawyer that he could ever think of getting only cause he hasnt got a bpo that is getting refunded anyways and wasnt part of any promotion "Fight Togheter; Win Together"* Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:10:00 - [24] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. *Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Part of my rights as a consumer is to request a refund of equal measure if I am not satisfied with the terms offered when one party to the purchase agreement decides to change it. As a consumer I am legally entitled to request a CASH refund of equal value If CCP decides that it does not want to honor the original agreement. I suguest you educate yourself a little more on consumer rights, and stop banging your head against EULAs. I can has ISK
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 612	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:12:00 - [25] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Marston VC wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Part of my rights as a consumer is to request a refund of equal measure if I am not satisfied with the terms offered when one party to the purchase agreement decides to change it. As a consumer I am legally entitled to request a CASH refund of equal value If CCP decides that it does not want to honor the original agreement. I suguest you educate yourself a little more on consumer rights, and stop banging your head against EULAs. Wow man you are going to be 5 dollars richer wow man "Fight Togheter; Win Together"* Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:13:00 - [26] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Marston VC wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. *Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Let it he a stupie guy who wants to sue a big company who has way better lawyer that he could ever think of getting only cause he hasnt got a bpo that is getting refunded anyways and wasnt part of any promotion I don't need to pay for an expensive lawyer, as I'm a UK and EU citizen. You see thacts the great tthing about not being an American, it's that my government actually protects my rights and the Office of Fair Trading can fight my claim for me for free, because after all, the British Government works for the people. I can has ISK
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 365	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:13:00 - [27] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Marston VC wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. *Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Part of my rights as a consumer is to request a refund of equal measure if I am not satisfied with the terms offered when one party to the purchase agreement decides to change it. As a consumer I am legally entitled to request a CASH refund of equal value If CCP decides that it does not want to honor the original agreement. I suguest you educate yourself a little more on consumer rights, and stop banging your head against EULAs. Wow man you are going to be 5 dollars richer wow man I was wrong then. He can buy more than one Coke. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Smots Ju-Kyu The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 47	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:14:00 - [28] - Quote OP you are an idiot. Go back to this Thread and read very carefully. They list all the modules/turrets/vehicles and nowhere on that list are LAV BPO's that you are crying about. Whoever gets your complaint is gonna **** their pants laughing at you. The Sound of Freedom Always looking for quality mercenaries
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 97	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:17:00 - [29] - Quote Smots Ju-Kyu wrote: OP you are an idiot. Go back to this Thread and read very carefully. They list all the modules/turrets/vehicles and nowhere on that list are LAV BPO's that you are crying about. Whoever gets your complaint is gonna **** their pants laughing at you. LAV BPOs, Vehicle Module BPOs, it makes no difference, I am exercising my legal rights as a consumer against a company that wishes to infringe upon them, by not honoring the original purchase agreement and not offering a CASH refund of equal value, of which I am legally entitled to. I can has ISK
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 170	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:17:00 - [30] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? This post here where CCP is telling you to "HURRY UP AND BUY" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1420895#post1420895 The fact that they made a dev post encouraging you to buy items that not a couple of months later they were going to remove. It is misleading to the customer and basically a swindle perpetrated by CCP to create a massive influx of money that had people known then that this would happen would probably not have made a purchase of AUR to buy said items. BAD BUSINESS CCP! I hope his suit has a leg and actually goes somewhere.

Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 514	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:17:00 - [31] - Quote Yea... you won't win.
trooper7041 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 22	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:19:00 - [32] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Marston VC wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. *Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Let it he a stupie guy who wants to sue a big company who has way better lawyer that he could ever think of getting only cause he hasnt got a bpo that is getting refunded anyways and wasnt part of any promotion I don't need to pay for an expensive lawyer, as I'm a UK and EU citizen. You see thacts the great tthing about not being an American, it's that my government actually protects my rights and the Office of Fair Trading can fight my claim for me for free, because after all, the British Government works for the people. Please be sure to follow up on this thread and tell us all about how the entire British Government helped you win your $5. If CCP still says no, are they going to declare war for you as well?
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1626	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:19:00 - [33] - Quote Doesnt read EULA Upset CCP took something away FILES LEGAL ACTION OVER A VIDEO GAME Yeah, the EULA is there for a reason. Like this. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Top Men. 205	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:21:00 - [34] - Quote ITT: a whole lot of big city lawyers.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 366	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:24:00 - [35] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? This post here where CCP is telling you to "HURRY UP AND BUY" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1420895#post1420895 The fact that they made a dev post encouraging you to buy items that not a couple of months later they were going to remove. It is misleading to the customer and basically a swindle perpetrated by CCP to create a massive influx of money that had people known then that this would happen would probably not have made a purchase of AUR to buy said items. BAD BUSINESS CCP! I hope his suit has a leg and actually goes somewhere. Would you buy a new fridge simply because you saw a Whirlpool ad, even though it would add absolutely nothing to your life? Probably not. It was your decision to buy, not CCP's. That's like saying it's the stove's fault you stuck your hand in the fire. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1039	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:24:00 - [36] - Quote I smell an epic troll by CCP coming. Something along the lines of a reset. Proud Sponsor of the United Lamp Post Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5205	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:25:00 - [37] - Quote This is not really necessary. I just don't see CCP ever going further with the BPOs. Not with this PR. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 612	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:25:00 - [38] - Quote grabs popcorn "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Smots Ju-Kyu The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 48	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:25:00 - [39] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Smots Ju-Kyu wrote: OP you are an idiot. Go back to this Thread and read very carefully. They list all the modules/turrets/vehicles and nowhere on that list are LAV BPO's that you are crying about. Whoever gets your complaint is gonna **** their pants laughing at you. LAV BPOs, Vehicle Module BPOs, it makes no difference, I am exercising my legal rights as a consumer against a company that wishes to infringe upon them, by not honoring the original purchase agreement and not offering a CASH refund of equal value, of which I am legally entitled to. Guess what dumbass, you used AUR not real money to get those BPO's. You bought AUR with you real money, so your purchase agreement was for the AUR that you bought, not the BPO's. CCP is refunding the AUR for the BPO's they are removing so you are still getting what you paid your real money for. So you have no real case against them, but feel free to waste you governments time and money by turning in your complaint. The Sound of Freedom Always looking for quality mercenaries
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1495	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:26:00 - [40] - Quote I don't see this ending particularly well for you. At least where I am, one can walk into a lawyers office and receive a free consultation, I suggest you do the same and see exactly how "solid" your ground is, or lack thereof. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game

Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 174	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:29:00 - [41] - Quote Smots Ju-Kyu wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Smots Ju-Kyu wrote: OP you are an idiot. Go back to this Thread and read very carefully. They list all the modules/turrets/vehicles and nowhere on that list are LAV BPO's that you are crying about. Whoever gets your complaint is gonna **** their pants laughing at you. LAV BPOs, Vehicle Module BPOs, it makes no difference, I am exercising my legal rights as a consumer against a company that wishes to infringe upon them, by not honoring the original purchase agreement and not offering a CASH refund of equal value, of which I am legally entitled to. Guess what dumbass, you used AUR not real money to get those BPO's. You bought AUR with you real money, so your purchase agreement was for the AUR that you bought, not the BPO's. CCP is refunding the AUR for the BPO's they are removing so you are still getting what you paid your real money for. So you have no real case against them, but feel free to waste you governments time and money by turning in your complaint. Except the fact that people bought AUR to buy the BPOs because CCP made a post telling you that they were removing them from the ingame market and encouraged you to do it quick before they are gone from said market. Only to remove them after the fact which brings shady and misleading business practices into effect and this is not good for future outlook on AUR purchases.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 99	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:30:00 - [42] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? Around September/October 5th or whenever it was eexactly, CCP put out a promotion of the marketplace homecreen encouraging people to spend AUR, which has real world value, to buy BPOs before they were removed From the market. Now these militia vehicle module BPOs, of whcih I bought near on 6 where bought with AUR, as the promotion clearly stated that they would be removed after said date. Now there was no mention that these BPOs would then go on to be removed entirely less than 3 months later, and believe me if there had been I wouldn't have purchased an aurumn pack to buy my militia BPOs in the first place. That is why Ive submitted a complaint, and that is why more people should do too. CCP is using misleading promotional campaigns, which have deceived me into spending money to buys something that they intended to later remove and that is a breach of the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights. I can has ISK
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 108	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:33:00 - [43] - Quote Best thing to do to avoid any of this is just to NOT spend ANY money . That way you won't have to even think of legal action . I think I will take my own advice and see how it works for me . DIE ALREADY 1.7 DIE !!!!!! " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 102	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:38:00 - [44] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? This post here where CCP is telling you to "HURRY UP AND BUY" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1420895#post1420895 The fact that they made a dev post encouraging you to buy items that not a couple of months later they were going to remove. It is misleading to the customer and basically a swindle perpetrated by CCP to create a massive influx of money that had people known then that this would happen would probably not have made a purchase of AUR to buy said items. BAD BUSINESS CCP! I hope his suit has a leg and actually goes somewhere. Would you buy a new fridge simply because you saw a Whirlpool ad, even though it would add absolutely nothing to your life? Probably not. It was your decision to buy, not CCP's. That's like saying it's the stove's fault you stuck your hand in the fire. Being a victim of false advertisement doesn't make you an idiot, it just makes the corporation and idiot for trying to pull the wool over your eyes, fleece you for your money and exploit you as a consumer and expect to get away with it without facing any repercussions. I can has ISK
trooper7041 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 23	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:39:00 - [45] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I don't see this ending particularly well for you. At least where I am, one can walk into a lawyers office and receive a free consultation, I suggest you do the same and see exactly how "solid" your ground is, or lack thereof. The lawyer: "I'm sorry sir, but we can't go any further with this case. If you purchased this yourself then MAYBE we have something. But seeing how you needed to use your mothers credit card, technically CCP/Sony doesn't owe you anything." Yelhsa Jin-Mao: "SUE THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT!!!"
Oswald Rehnquist 642	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:40:00 - [46] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I don't need to pay for an expensive lawyer, as I'm a UK and EU citizen. You see thacts the great tthing about not being an American, it's that my government actually protects my rights and the Office of Fair Trading can fight my claim for me for free, because after all, the British Government works for the people. I actually think you are being fictitious, and have alternative goals because the cost does not equal the effort. But since you decided to bring up countries.... All this says to me is that the EU/UK subsidize the frivolous and opportunistic. In fact back in the states we have laws which can turn around court costs directed at those who waste everyone's time. Like a case over a $5 dispute which is covered by a EULA to cost several thousands to the rest of society to process. Below 28 dB
Smots Ju-Kyu The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 48	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:40:00 - [47] - Quote You still have no case. It doesn't matter why you decided to buy the AUR. Your purchase agreement was for the AUR and you are getting that back. You are only gonna accomplish 2 things by turning in that complaint, make yourself look foolish and waste time that could have been better spent on a valid complaint The Sound of Freedom Always looking for quality mercenaries
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 102	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:41:00 - [48] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? This post here where CCP is telling you to "HURRY UP AND BUY" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1420895#post1420895 The fact that they made a dev post encouraging you to buy items that not a couple of months later they were going to remove. It is misleading to the customer and basically a swindle perpetrated by CCP to create a massive influx of money that had people known then that this would happen would probably not have made a purchase of AUR to buy said items. BAD BUSINESS CCP! I hope his suit has a leg and actually goes somewhere. Thanks for sending me this post, I'm submitting a JPEG and link to the post in the morning, just one more bit of evidence of corporate malpractice on CCPs behalf. I can has ISK
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1813	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:43:00 - [49] - Quote TOA my friend. You agreed deal with it GÇƒSpilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" - Draxus Prime The Master of the Nova Knifes Closed Beta Vet
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 102	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:45:00 - [50] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I don't need to pay for an expensive lawyer, as I'm a UK and EU citizen. You see thacts the great tthing about not being an American, it's that my government actually protects my rights and the Office of Fair Trading can fight my claim for me for free, because after all, the British Government works for the people. I actually think you are being fictitious, and have alternative goals because the cost does not equal the effort. But since you decided to bring up countries.... All this says to me is that the EU/UK subsidize the frivolous and opportunistic. In fact back in the states we have laws which can turn around court costs directed at those who waste everyone time. Like a case over a $5 dispute which is covered by a EULA to cost several thousands to the rest of society for to process. Value of complaint doesn't matter in the UK, the bigger issue here is of the corporate malpractice on CCPs part, of which I as a consumer have been a victim of, and will NOT let them get away with. I can has ISK

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1813	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:45:00 - [51] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: TOS my friend. You agreed deal with it GÇƒSpilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" - Draxus Prime The Master of the Nova Knifes Closed Beta Vet
trooper7041 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 23	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:45:00 - [52] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? Around September/October 5th or whenever it was eexactly, CCP put out a promotion of the marketplace homecreen encouraging people to spend AUR, which has real world value, to buy BPOs before they were removed From the market. Now these militia vehicle module BPOs, of whcih I bought near on 6 where bought with AUR, as the promotion clearly stated that they would be removed after said date. Now there was no mention that these BPOs would then go on to be removed entirely less than 3 months later, and believe me if there had been I wouldn't have purchased an aurumn pack to buy my militia BPOs in the first place. That is why Ive submitted a complaint, and that is why more people should do too. CCP is using misleading promotional campaigns, which have deceived me into spending money to buys something that they intended to later remove and that is a breach of the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights. So you first buy AUR. CCP says, "hey buy this BPO because it will be gone soon." You buy the BPO and then proceed to use it to earn a pretty hefty sum of ISK. CCP removes the BPO and gives you back you AUR. Should you give back all the ISK you made while using the BPO?
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 102	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:47:00 - [53] - Quote trooper7041 wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I don't see this ending particularly well for you. At least where I am, one can walk into a lawyers office and receive a free consultation, I suggest you do the same and see exactly how "solid" your ground is, or lack thereof. The lawyer: "I'm sorry sir, but we can't go any further with this case. If you purchased this yourself then MAYBE we have something. But seeing how you needed to use your mothers credit card, technically CCP/Sony doesn't owe you anything." Yelhsa Jin-Mao: "SUE THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT!!!" I purchased the pack with my own credit card with money from my account that I have earned from spending my time working, so you kind of fell flat on your face. I can has ISK
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1300	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:48:00 - [54] - Quote Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ***** dope right no refunds... they also didn't say anything about paying for something they take away.... they made a deal to give me something with no refund not to give me something they are going to take away without a refund... what a handful of dopes we have here spouting EULA stuff they probably didn't read or understand.... they have no right to take our money for stuff they are taking out. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!**
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2238	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:50:00 - [55] - Quote Good thing with real money refunds is that they then have to go through Sony. So good luck fighting Sony. Oh yea and make sure to post updates on this case.
trooper7041 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 23	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:51:00 - [56] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: trooper7041 wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I don't see this ending particularly well for you. At least where I am, one can walk into a lawyers office and receive a free consultation, I suggest you do the same and see exactly how "solid" your ground is, or lack thereof. The lawyer: "I'm sorry sir, but we can't go any further with this case. If you purchased this yourself then MAYBE we have something. But seeing how you needed to use your mothers credit card, technically CCP/Sony doesn't owe you anything." Yelhsa Jin-Mao: "SUE THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT!!!" I purchased the pack with my own credit card with money from my account that I have earned from spending my time working, so you kind of fell flat on your face. Except I was joking. You however are being completely serious with your thread. The majority of this thread already knows the outcome of your cash refund. AIN'T HAPPENING. +1 point me
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 543	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:53:00 - [57] - Quote Q: What happens to my existing Blueprints? A: Your existing Blueprints will remain in your inventory. Note that from the 8th of October, you will be unable to purchase new Blueprints except via the Veteran and Elite packs on the PlayStation-« Store. this^^^ I understand why they are removing the 4 stated BPO's the MAJOR problem I see with this is if we let CCP take advantage of us like this they are surely gonna do it again in the future and thats not cool most if not all players that are caught in this BPO removal need to stand up and say something before they remove more BPO's SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 104	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:53:00 - [58] - Quote trooper7041 wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? Around September/October 5th or whenever it was eexactly, CCP put out a promotion of the marketplace homecreen encouraging people to spend AUR, which has real world value, to buy BPOs before they were removed From the market. Now these militia vehicle module BPOs, of whcih I bought near on 6 where bought with AUR, as the promotion clearly stated that they would be removed after said date. Now there was no mention that these BPOs would then go on to be removed entirely less than 3 months later, and believe me if there had been I wouldn't have purchased an aurumn pack to buy my militia BPOs in the first place. That is why Ive submitted a complaint, and that is why more people should do too. CCP is using misleading promotional campaigns, which have deceived me into spending money to buys something that they intended to later remove and that is a breach of the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights. So you first buy AUR. CCP says, "hey buy this BPO because it will be gone soon." You buy the BPO and then proceed to use it to earn a pretty hefty sum of ISK. CCP removes the BPO and gives you back you AUR. Should you give back all the ISK you made while using the BPO? ISK has no real world value, however the AUR that I had purchased does, yet I can't get that money back becausr AUR is non transferable or refundable so CCP says. Imagine being sold chip's at a casino, to play a game of roulette, win a game or two, only to have the roulette table close, and then find the chips you won are non transferable back into cash. But hey, at least you can go play a game of slots with all the chips you got, but you still won't get any cash! I can has ISK
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1813	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:54:00 - [59] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope The purchase agreement was with Sony and not CCP, therefore If Sony were to be the ones removing my BPOs then it would be a different matter, but seeing as its not, and CCP are the ones interfering with something that they were not party to, I am well within my rights as a consumer to lodge a complaint and seek legal advice. in this case Sony is more of a 3rd party than CCP You purchased items to use with CCP game service. Without the service what you purchased is useless. CCP has every right as does Sony also im pretty sure its only milita... GÇƒSpilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" - Draxus Prime The Master of the Nova Knifes Closed Beta Vet
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1300	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:54:00 - [60] - Quote trooper7041 wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? Around September/October 5th or whenever it was eexactly, CCP put out a promotion of the marketplace homecreen encouraging people to spend AUR, which has real world value, to buy BPOs before they were removed From the market. Now these militia vehicle module BPOs, of whcih I bought near on 6 where bought with AUR, as the promotion clearly stated that they would be removed after said date. Now there was no mention that these BPOs would then go on to be removed entirely less than 3 months later, and believe me if there had been I wouldn't have purchased an aurumn pack to buy my militia BPOs in the first place. That is why Ive submitted a complaint, and that is why more people should do too. CCP is using misleading promotional campaigns, which have deceived me into spending money to buys something that they intended to later remove and that is a breach of the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights. So you first buy AUR. CCP says, "hey buy this BPO because it will be gone soon." You buy the BPO and then proceed to use it to earn a pretty hefty sum of ISK. CCP removes the BPO and gives you back you AUR. Should you give back all the ISK you made while using the BPO? you missed the most important part... I only bought the aur to get the bpo. now they take the bpo but give me the aur that I now have no use for because I don't need boosters and I don't like the aur gear... a psn credit is the only answer short of letting me keep the bpo's SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!

Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 366	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:55:00 - [61] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? This post here where CCP is telling you to "HURRY UP AND BUY" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1420895#post1420895 The fact that they made a dev post encouraging you to buy items that not a couple of months later they were going to remove. It is misleading to the customer and basically a swindle perpetrated by CCP to create a massive influx of money that had people known then that this would happen would probably not have made a purchase of AUR to buy said items. BAD BUSINESS CCP! I hope his suit has a leg and actually goes somewhere. Would you buy a new fridge simply because you saw a Whirlpool ad, even though it would add absolutely nothing to your life? Probably not. It was your decision to buy, not CCP's. That's like saying it's the stove's fault you stuck your hand in the fire. Being a victim of false advertisement doesn't make you an idiot, it just makes the corporation and idiot for trying to pull the wool over your eyes, fleece you for your money and exploit you as a consumer and expect to get away with it without facing any repercussions. So you bought. CCP realises that in order to better the game they have to change the mechanics of the game which would require the removal of said items, including the variants you bought. CCP reimburses you the AUR/credits you purchased in order to obtain said item, which is reasonable, at least you can spend it on something else in-game, and you decide to look to sue them. Okay. Let's say CCP let's you keep the items instead. What then? You can tell people you have these BPOs that make one more thing you have to scroll past as you make a fitting. Or let's say you win. You get back your $5, you buy a few Cokes. Better be the damn best tasting Cokes you ever had cause they sure as hell ain't going to last you as long as the BPO's you had. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1628	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:56:00 - [62] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope right no refunds... they also didn't say anything about paying for something they take away.... they made a deal to give me something with no refund not to give me something they are going to take away without a refund... what a handful of dopes we have here spouting EULA stuff they probably didn't read or understand.... they have no right to take our money for stuff they are taking out. They are reimbursing you with AUR for however much the BPO cost with AUR. It's legal. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 104	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:57:00 - [63] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Q: What happens to my existing Blueprints? A: Your existing Blueprints will remain in your inventory. Note that from the 8th of October, you will be unable to purchase new Blueprints except via the Veteran and Elite packs on the PlayStation-« Store. this^^^ I understand why they are removing the 4 stated BPO's the MAJOR problem I see with this is if we let CCP take advantage of us like this they are surely gonna do it again in the future and thats not cool most if not all players that are caught in this BPO removal need to stand up and say something before they remove more BPO's Exactly, once they start, whose to say they will stop. CCP are behaving like the *****, oh, we only want your little Polandish Vehicle Modules, oh dankershern... Bein we want all of your European BPOs, all of them. Zeich Hiel Aurumn BPCs. I can has ISK
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1300	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:57:00 - [64] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Q: What happens to my existing Blueprints? A: Your existing Blueprints will remain in your inventory. Note that from the 8th of October, you will be unable to purchase new Blueprints except via the Veteran and Elite packs on the PlayStation-« Store. this^^^ I understand why they are removing the 4 stated BPO's the MAJOR problem I see with this is if we let CCP take advantage of us like this they are surely gonna do it again in the future and thats not cool most if not all players that are caught in this BPO removal need to stand up and say something before they remove more BPO's the door was opened when they nerfed contact nades and aur cal logi suits.. back then I made a post demanding compensation for the people who bought this aur stuff. (I didn't even buy any of it) the same morons were saying to HTFU and read the EULA then to..... I hope those fools never reproduce....bunch of dopes.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2921	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:57:00 - [65] - Quote This post beats Karl Marx II For most incredibly stupid forum post of the week
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1301	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:59:00 - [66] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ***** dope right no refunds... they also didn't say anything about paying for something they take away.... they made a deal to give me something with no refund not to give me something they are going to take away without a refund... what a handful of dopes we have here spouting EULA stuff they probably didn't read or understand.... they have no right to take our money for stuff they are taking out. They are reimbursing you with AUR for however much the BPO cost with AUR. It's legal. but I only bought the aur for the bpo... I wouldn't have bought the aur otherwise... its underhanded.. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!**
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1628	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:00:00 - [67] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: This post beats Karl Marx II For most incredibly stupid forum post of the week Yup. Even if you made me want to RAIG the last time I played you in FW (Faqing needles...) this is stupid for both not reading the EULA, and not reading the thread. He forget that whatever it cost in AUR was being reimbursed, therefore it is legal by the code he agreed to (The EULA). Like I said, its legal. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 107	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:00:00 - [68] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: trooper7041 wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? Around September/October 5th or whenever it was eexactly, CCP put out a promotion of the marketplace homecreen encouraging people to spend AUR, which has real world value, to buy BPOs before they were removed From the market. Now these militia vehicle module BPOs, of whcih I bought near on 6 where bought with AUR, as the promotion clearly stated that they would be removed after said date. Now there was no mention that these BPOs would then go on to be removed entirely less than 3 months later, and believe me if there had been I wouldn't have purchased an aurumn pack to buy my militia BPOs in the first place. That is why Ive submitted a complaint, and that is why more people should do too. CCP is using misleading promotional campaigns, which have deceived me into spending money to buys something that they intended to later remove and that is a breach of the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights. So you first buy AUR. CCP says, "hey buy this BPO because it will be gone soon." You buy the BPO and then proceed to use it to earn a pretty hefty sum of ISK. CCP removes the BPO and gives you back you AUR. Should you give back all the ISK you made while using the BPO? you missed the most important part... I only bought the aur to get the bpo. now they take the bpo but give me the aur that I now have no use for because I don't need boosters and I don't like the aur gear... a psn credit is the only answer short of letting me keep the bpo's Agreed, PSN credits or CASH. Then I can go buy GTAV instead of this garbage I can has ISK
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1301	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:01:00 - [69] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? This post here where CCP is telling you to "HURRY UP AND BUY" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1420895#post1420895 The fact that they made a dev post encouraging you to buy items that not a couple of months later they were going to remove. It is misleading to the customer and basically a swindle perpetrated by CCP to create a massive influx of money that had people known then that this would happen would probably not have made a purchase of AUR to buy said items. BAD BUSINESS CCP! I hope his suit has a leg and actually goes somewhere. Would you buy a new fridge simply because you saw a Whirlpool ad, even though it would add absolutely nothing to your life? Probably not. It was your decision to buy, not CCP's. That's like saying it's the stove's fault you stuck your hand in the fire. Being a victim of false advertisement doesn't make you an idiot, it just makes the corporation and idiot for trying to pull the wool over your eyes, fleece you for your money and exploit you as a consumer and expect to get away with it without facing any repercussions. So you bought. CCP realises that in order to better the game they have to change the mechanics of the game which would require the removal of said items, including the variants you bought. CCP reimburses you the AUR/credits you purchased in order to obtain said item, which is reasonable, at least you can spend it on something else in-game, and you decide to look to sue them. Okay. Let's say CCP let's you keep the items instead. What then? You can tell people you have these BPOs that make one more thing you have to scroll past as you make a fitting. Or let's say you win. You get back your $5, you buy a few Cokes. Better be the damn best tasting Cokes you ever had cause they sure as hell ain't going to last you as long as the BPO's you had. so how much of our stuff do they have to take before you think its worth fighting for? some of you people ae very shallow thinkers... you see the tree in front of you and dismiss the forest. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1628	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:02:00 - [70] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope right no refunds... they also didn't say anything about paying for something they take away.... they made a deal to give me something with no refund not to give me something they are going to take away without a refund... what a handful of dopes we have here spouting EULA stuff they probably didn't read or understand.... they have no right to take our money for stuff they are taking out. They are reimbursing you with AUR for however much the BPO cost with AUR. It's legal. but I only bought the aur for the bpo... I wouldn't have bought the aur otherwise... its underhanded.. That's the law. They are reimbursing you a product of equal or greater value. IF you buy a PS4, but then a mandatory recall comes up, so they give you 2 free PS3's, even if you didn't want it/pay for it, its legal in that you maintained the value of your purchase. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior

Brokerib Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:02:00 - [71] - Quote To be honest, I'm quite surprised at the level of vitriol directed towards the OP for exercising his (her?) legal rights in an instance where they felt they had been unfairly dealt with by CCP/Sony. Regardless of whether you think the action is warranted, consumer protection laws are in place to allow an individual to seek redress from corporations without fear that their chance of a fair hearing would be sunk by the deep pockets and legal representation of the company involved. Not my cup of tea, but I support the OPs intent and right to challenge this legally, regardless of the outcome.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 472	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:08:00 - [72] - Quote qq I eat blue waffles when i proto stomp.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1628	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:10:00 - [73] - Quote Brokerib wrote: To be honest, I'm quite surprised at the level of vitriol directed towards the OP for exercising his (her?) legal rights in an instance where they felt they had been unfairly dealt with by CCP/Sony. Regardless of whether you think the action is warranted, consumer protection laws are in place to allow an individual to seek redress from corporations without fear that their chance of a fair hearing would be sunk by the deep pockets and legal representation of the company involved. Not my cup of tea, but I support the OPs intent and right to challenge this legally, regardless of the outcome. Hey, all I was doing was just saying how CCP's actions are legal, and therefore his suit will fail. Its understandable to be upset, even if this is a bit over the line. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 614	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:10:00 - [74] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: trooper7041 wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? Around September/October 5th or whenever it was eexactly, CCP put out a promotion of the marketplace homecreen encouraging people to spend AUR, which has real world value, to buy BPOs before they were removed From the market. Now these militia vehicle module BPOs, of whcih I bought near on 6 where bought with AUR, as the promotion clearly stated that they would be removed after said date. Now there was no mention that these BPOs would then go on to be removed entirely less than 3 months later, and believe me if there had been I wouldn't have purchased an aurumn pack to buy my militia BPOs in the first place. That is why Ive submitted a complaint, and that is why more people should do too. CCP is using misleading promotional campaigns, which have deceived me into spending money to buys something that they intended to later remove and that is a breach of the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights. So you first buy AUR. CCP says, "hey buy this BPO because it will be gone soon." You buy the BPO and then proceed to use it to earn a pretty hefty sum of ISK. CCP removes the BPO and gives you back you AUR. Should you give back all the ISK you made while using the BPO? ISK has no real world value, however the AUR that I had purchased does, yet I can't get that money back becausr AUR is non transferable or refundable so CCP says. Imagine being sold chip's at a casino, to play a game of roulette, win a game or two, only to have the roulette table close, and then find the chips you won are non transferable back into cash. But hey, at least you can go play a game of slots with all the chips you got, but you still won't get any cash! Actually isk does have a real world value 1 plex (25$)= some billions of isk "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 181	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:11:00 - [75] - Quote ok heres the thing. your purchased AUR converting AUR into an ingame item is a GAME function, a GAME mechanic, its part of the GAME. the AUR never goes anywhere, and if the GAME item disapears for some reason, the AUR is returned. YOU BOUGHT AUR and it doesnt matter WHY you bought it. the item you purchased was AUR, everythign else is a game mechnic, and therefor isnt subject to legal action BECAUSE ITS A GAME.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 107	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:14:00 - [76] - Quote Brokerib wrote: To be honest, I'm quite surprised at the level of vitriol directed towards the OP for exercising his (her?) legal rights in an instance where they felt they had been unfairly dealt with by CCP/Sony. Regardless of whether you think the action is warranted, consumer protection laws are in place to allow an individual to seek redress from corporations without fear that their chance of a fair hearing would be sunk by the deep pockets and legal representation of the company involved. Not my cup of tea, but I support the OPs intent and right to challenge this legally, regardless of the outcome. Someone who doesn't have their head stuck up CCPs arse licking their prostate. I can has ISK
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 107	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:16:00 - [77] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope right no refunds... they also didn't say anything about paying for something they take away.... they made a deal to give me something with no refund not to give me something they are going to take away without a refund... what a handful of dopes we have here spouting EULA stuff they probably didn't read or understand.... they have no right to take our money for stuff they are taking out. They are reimbursing you with AUR for however much the BPO cost with AUR. It's legal. but I only bought the aur for the bpo... I wouldn't have bought the aur otherwise... its underhanded.. That's the law. They are reimbursing you a product of equal or greater value. IF you buy a PS4, but then a mandatory recall comes up, so they give you 2 free PS3's, even if you didn't want it/pay for it, its legal in that you maintained the value of your purchase. Nope. Does 600 $1 gobstoppers sound like a reasonable replacement for Your PS4 aswell by your logic so long as they have a Sony logo on them. I can has ISK
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 364	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:18:00 - [78] - Quote I don't know why CCP is choosing to remove vehicle BPOs from inventory instead of changing the BPO stats to match the new militia stats. It's a pretty **** move on their part. The whole aurum refund may not be good enough to satisfy people who spent money in order to buy the BPO(s). As many have already stated before: aurum < real money. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2239	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:20:00 - [79] - Quote medomai grey wrote: I don't know why CCP is choosing to remove vehicle BPOs from inventory instead of changing the BPO stats to match the new militia stats. It's a pretty **** move on their part. The whole aurum refund may not be good enough to satisfy people who spent money in order to buy the BPO(s). As many have already stated before: aurum < real money. The modules are being removed from the game after 1.7. Not just the BPOs.
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:20:00 - [80] - Quote to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum

Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2239	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:23:00 - [81] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum It's in both CCPs and Sonys EULA. It says that they can remove any paid item as long as they reimburse you with an item of equal or greater value. (Which in this case is the amount of AUR you originally paid for them)
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1761	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:25:00 - [82] - Quote You didn't read the EULA properly now did you? Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 614	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:25:00 - [83] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum It's in both CCPs and Sonys EULA. It says that they can remove any paid item as long as they reimburse you with an item of equal or greater value. (Which in this case is the amount of AUR you originally paid for them) What... common sense!!? in this thread!!? No Way!!! "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 367	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:32:00 - [84] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: so how much of our stuff do they have to take before you think its worth fighting for? some of you people ae very shallow thinkers... you see the tree in front of you and dismiss the forest. Of all the things... Okay let me get this right. You bought Aurum. Whatever your intentions with said Aurum... You bought Aurum. With real money you entered the PSN Store and clicked the Aurum amount, add to cart and then purchased it. You did not click on militia BPO and then buy it, you clicked on Aurum, which is a currency to use in Dust514 to purchase items that are for sale within the game universe for Aurum. You purchased within this game universe using the Aurum which you bought for real world money, a militia BPO or a few. CCP, the developers of the game, while they were trying to make the game better realised that in order to have the game progress mechanically, they must alter certain mechanics within the game that require them to remove the FOUR MILITIA BPOS that would simply cease to function once they update the game. Because of this they decide that upon their removal you will be reimbursed the Aurum which you used to obtain said in-game item. CCP previously stated that they will not be removing BPOs from inventory. Okay fair enough. But they stated afterwards that in order for the game to progress they need to remove these things and that they'll reimburse you the Aurum which is replacing the item with something of equal value which you can even use to purchase something else in game. So instead of saying okay it's fair at least I can use the Aurum to get something else in-game you want to sue them. CCP is not responsible for your intent when you seek to buy Aurum. So you worry about other BPO's that may get removed. While I doubt CCP would do this, though I do not discount the possibility, it would probably result in a virtually immediate shutdown of the servers as no one would continue to play this game. These BPO's are getting removed as a result of changes to the game. What you want CCP to change their development so you can keep the most useless BPO's in existence? You call me a shallow thinker? All you see is one thing BPO's. There are other things in the game as well. You're simply too narrow-minded to buy them. By the way if CCP were to unanimously decide to shut down the servers tomorrow they wouldn't owe you ****. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Thanatus Sleep 8	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:35:00 - [85] - Quote LMFAO you people going crazy over 4 BPO *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
Kahn Zo Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 95	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:35:00 - [86] - Quote Good luck to you OP, you got some nads. Defiant. Need another moist, chilled towelette to wipe the brow CCP? Another bag of popcorn please. Pure Gallente
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 615	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:42:00 - [87] - Quote Kahn Zo wrote: Good luck to you OP, you got some nads. Defiant. Need another moist, chilled towelette to wipe the brow CCP? Another bag of popcorn please. Here good sir give popcorn POPCORN TAKE YOUR POPCORN FRESH MADE POPCORN 10ISK THE PORTION "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 364	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:42:00 - [88] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: LMFAO you people going crazy over 4 BPO Yep. Because this issue could extend to other BPOs in the future. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Smots Ju-Kyu The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 49	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:42:00 - [89] - Quote Here's an idea for the op. Petition CCP to scrap 1.7 since u seem to want your precious BPOs more than a balanced functioning game. The Sound of Freedom Always looking for quality mercenaries
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2282	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:45:00 - [90] - Quote I really want to see the official filed paperwork for this lawsuit and the bill I don't believe anyone would actually be daft enough to try this. It has to be a troll.

EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 615	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:47:00 - [91] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Thanatus Sleep wrote: LMFAO you people going crazy over 4 BPO Yep. Because this issue could extend to other BPOs in the future. And...? Get over it guys the only bpos that we are going to keep are those that could never be bought from the market "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Smots Ju-Kyu The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 50	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:48:00 - [92] - Quote You never know. Op seems like he came from the shallow end of the gene pool The Sound of Freedom Always looking for quality mercenaries
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 210	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:52:00 - [93] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope The purchase agreement was with Sony and not CCP, therefore If Sony were to be the ones removing my BPOs then it would be a different matter, but seeing as its not, and CCP are the ones interfering with something that they were not party to, I am well within my rights as a consumer to lodge a complaint and seek legal advice. actually IF ccp is really just going to take away militia BPOs...you just could buy those with aurum, which you bought from sony. CCP is not corrupting the aurum-purchase contract you had with sony. They just change what you bought with that before purchased aurum, not the aurum purchase itself. it would be a different story if they remove bpos you purchased within a mercpack etc. This was indeed a trade with sony, not with ccp. another one bites the Dust...
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1259	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:57:00 - [94] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Marston VC wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. *Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Part of my rights as a consumer is to request a refund of equal measure if I am not satisfied with the terms offered when one party to the purchase agreement decides to change it. As a consumer I am legally entitled to request a CASH refund of equal value If CCP decides that it does not want to honor the original agreement. I suguest you educate yourself a little more on consumer rights, and stop banging your head against EULAs. your just being a whistle blower dude. You could have done all this without posting something like this on public forums trying to stir up the pot. Do whatever you want man, next time don't by 30 copies of a militia item........ Marston VC, STB director
dustwaffle Xer Cloud Consortium 682	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:01:00 - [95] - Quote This is too funny! Keep us updated, especially if you fail and get counter-sued by the Fair Trade Office for wasting everyone's time. Also, you 'claim' to be seeking legal action. Pics/Video or it didn't happen. EDIT: You signed away your 'rights' when you agreed to the EULA. To those that claim we're harping on about the EULA, well, you don't like it, don't agree to it.
Thanatus Sleep 9	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:05:00 - [96] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: medomai grey wrote: Thanatus Sleep wrote: LMFAO you people going crazy over 4 BPO Yep. Because this issue could extend to other BPOs in the future. And...? Get over it guys the only bpos that we are going to keep are those that could never be bought from the market This ^ 'BUT' If it ever do happen I go apeshit and help out. *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
JL3Eleven 1231	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:20:00 - [97] - Quote I will send you $20 if you add a complaint about the merc pack not getting refunded when the game launched. Dust 514 started from the bottom now we here.
Thanatus Sleep 9	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:31:00 - [98] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: I will send you $20 if you add a complaint about the merc pack not getting refunded when the game launched. LMFAO this was like about less than a year ago. Poor ass merc trying to milk the money just like CCP. *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
AAGMUNDR Reliable Overwatch Inc. 271	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:35:00 - [99] - Quote Oh yeah you get em OP. How dare they take our spaceman game car parts. Let us know how you stick it to 'em. exaggerated jerkoff motion
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1629	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:40:00 - [100] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum It's in both CCPs and Sonys EULA. It says that they can remove any paid item as long as they reimburse you with an item of equal or greater value. (Which in this case is the amount of AUR you originally paid for them) What... common sense!!? in this thread!!? No Way!!! B-b-but I said that too! WAAAAAAAAAAA For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10460	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:41:00 - [101] - Quote Don't you have to sue Sony first? Since its 'their money' you spent? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1884	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:45:00 - [102] - Quote The ridiculous is strong in this thread. // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Pilot Trainee // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 156	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:47:00 - [103] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Don't you have to sue Sony first? Since its 'their money' you spent? Just give me a SP Respec and you can take back your Smelly BPOs... XD
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10461	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:50:00 - [104] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Don't you have to sue Sony first? Since its 'their money' you spent? Just give me a SP Respec and you can take back your Smelly BPOs... XD Different topic in discussion with CCP now over that one at the moment and even as an Anti-respec person myself I am willing to conceded based on the measures taken to prevent abuses but still be appealing to players to use. On that if we have respecs I am totally against SP penalties now. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:52:00 - [105] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum It's in both CCPs and Sonys EULA. It says that they can remove any paid item as long as they reimburse you with an item of equal or greater value. (Which in this case is the amount of AUR you originally paid for them) but the issue with that is that on printed media where the EULA for the item isn't available there is no indication that the item which they state as being permanent, can be removed. which could be the way forward in an arguement. what they should have, liek any other promotion, is an asterix at the side directing people to read the EULA and note that items may be removed from game even after purchase. since CCP hasn't done this on any of the printed media for BPO items i listed then they could face an issue. when it comes to the militia module BPOs being removed then tbh i think all you'd get is AUR. same as if they wanted to remove the M.A.G tribute suits. things like the Merc pack suits though could earn a cash or at least PSN refund seeing as people were buying a product from psn store and not in DUST, the issue would probably be more directed to PSN customer service than CCPs
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 200	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:52:00 - [106] - Quote I could definately see you being able to sue them over removal of BPOs that you bought in a pack, as those packs were advertised as having that item (like the collectors edition.) Unfortunately I don't think the same would apply for things you purchased on the marketplace. You paid for AURUM, an in-game currency. What you did with that in-game currency I think would be outside of CCP's advertised product (aurum) so I think they would be in the clear. Now if you paid like $5 directly for those BPOs, then I could see there being real problems. an easy fix to Matchmaking
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 157	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:52:00 - [107] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Don't you have to sue Sony first? Since its 'their money' you spent? Just give me a SP Respec and you can take back your Smelly BPOs... XD Different topic in discussion with CCP now over that one at the moment and even as an Anti-respec person myself I am willing to conceded based on the measures taken to prevent abuses but still be appealing to players to use. On that if we have respecs I am totally against SP penalties now. Well i dont consider it a DIFFERENT topic. Im just thinking: WHAT else might i consider buying with my Money? now converted into AUR? And thats pretty much the only thing CCP can offer me that make me stay playing this game. The MAth is rather easy: costumers + satisfied = Constant/Happy playerbase Costumers + unsatisfied = Tranquility server with 100 Dust players
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10461	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:55:00 - [108] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Don't you have to sue Sony first? Since its 'their money' you spent? Just give me a SP Respec and you can take back your Smelly BPOs... XD Different topic in discussion with CCP now over that one at the moment and even as an Anti-respec person myself I am willing to conceded based on the measures taken to prevent abuses but still be appealing to players to use. On that if we have respecs I am totally against SP penalties now. Well i dont consider it a DIFFERENT topic. Im just thinking: WHAT else might i consider buying with my Money? now converted into AUR? And thats pretty much the only thing CCP can offer me that make me stay playing this game. The equation is easy: costumers + satisfied = Constant playerbase Costumers + unsatisfied = Tranquility server with 100 Dust players Well... there is a new thing you can buy with aurum coming up but blog isn't out yet. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 157	Posted - 2013.11.21 05:58:00 - [109] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well... there is a new thing you can buy with aurum coming up but blog isn't out yet. If its better than simple Boosters i might consider it. At 20 million + SP i really have no desire in Boosters.And NON permanent stuff seems trivial. an SP respec to fix all the stuff i messed up because of my faulty reading comprehension would be great... But i'll give you a chance.I'll wait and see...
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 200	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:05:00 - [110] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well... there is a new thing you can buy with aurum coming up but blog isn't out yet. If its better than simple Boosters i might consider it. At 20 million + SP i really have no desire in Boosters.And NON permanent stuff seems trivial. an SP respec to fix all the stuff i messed up because of my faulty reading comprehension would be great... But i'll give you a chance.I'll wait and see... I think he might be talking about FW boosters maybe?? an easy fix to Matchmaking

Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:05:00 - [111] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I could definately see you being able to sue them over removal of BPOs that you bought in a pack, as those packs were advertised as having that item (like the collectors edition.) Unfortunately I don't think the same would apply for things you purchased on the marketplace. You paid for AURUM, an in-game currency. What you did with that in-game currency I think would be outside of CCP's advertised product (aurum) so I think they would be in the clear. Now if you paid like $5 directly for those BPOs, then I could see there being real problems. But the reason that some AURUM was purchased was specifically for BPOs which CCP pushed upon the playerbase in this post here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112962&find=unread The fact that they pushed the customer base to buy BPOs before they were "GONE FROM THE MARKET" with the promise that BPOs in your inventory would be untouched is fraud, plain and simple. Let's look at their road map now. I'm sure a judge would like to see a company pushing a product that they knew would be worthless a couple of months down the line. CCP=sheisty swindlers and frauds.
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:07:00 - [112] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store! Sheister.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 99	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:56:00 - [113] - Quote So I was just surfing through the forums, hadn't hit any big waves, then I came across this one. You bought Aurum an in game currency for use to buy special products in the game. That's what you bought. It just so happened that you decided to spend that Aurum that you bought with your real money on some in game items that cost Aurum not real world currency. Now a few months later CCP revamps vehicles and decided that some of these items are no longer needed. So they refund the Aurum that these items were worth upon purchase, or a little more. I don't know original price because I don't waste Aurum on militia items. You now have the Aurum that you bought with real world currency. Now you can spend it on something worth it like I don't know a passive booster, or an active if you actually play the game still. "Do not underestimate the power you have."
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4685	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:59:00 - [114] - Quote You sir, deserve a paddlin'. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:00:00 - [115] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: CCP Frame wrote: So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store! Sheister. yeah that message was could be quite a killer, but then again that is still possible under the EULA, even though it is pretty unfair trading practice do do something like that, its more morally wrong than comletely legally wrong and would more than liekly come down to the judgement from OFT about action taken Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I could definately see you being able to sue them over removal of BPOs that you bought in a pack, as those packs were advertised as having that item (like the collectors edition.) Unfortunately I don't think the same would apply for things you purchased on the marketplace. You paid for AURUM, an in-game currency. What you did with that in-game currency I think would be outside of CCP's advertised product (aurum) so I think they would be in the clear. Now if you paid like $5 directly for those BPOs, then I could see there being real problems. yeah items bought ingame for AUR would simply be awarded AUR refund. you can't prove you bought the aurum just for that item. where that may differ is with items that was advertised under the above quotes message. CCP directed you to buy them so you didn't miss out, items bought with aurum during the period CCP suggested you buy the items so not to miss out on them could be entitled to a cash refund as players would been more likely to purchase aurum for specific purpose of buying them
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2921	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:02:00 - [116] - Quote MERC PACK REFUND DEBATE ROUND TWO!
Dagger-Two Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords 140	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:03:00 - [117] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Im already seeking legal action against CCP Hahahahahaha
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 655	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:07:00 - [118] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I could definately see you being able to sue them over removal of BPOs that you bought in a pack, as those packs were advertised as having that item (like the collectors edition.) Unfortunately I don't think the same would apply for things you purchased on the marketplace. You paid for AURUM, an in-game currency. What you did with that in-game currency I think would be outside of CCP's advertised product (aurum) so I think they would be in the clear. Now if you paid like $5 directly for those BPOs, then I could see there being real problems. But the reason that some AURUM was purchased was specifically for BPOs which CCP pushed upon the playerbase in this post here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112962&find=unread The fact that they pushed the customer base to buy BPOs before they were "GONE FROM THE MARKET" with the promise that BPOs in your inventory would be untouched is fraud, plain and simple. Let's look at their road map now. I'm sure a judge would like to see a company pushing a product that they knew would be worthless a couple of months down the line. CCP=sheisty swindlers and frauds. +1. Robust example of a bald-faced lie by CCP. Not the first in their long line of petty swindling schemes. I wonder how soon this thread is getting locked. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5301	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:09:00 - [119] - Quote Self-entitlement at its finest. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 131	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:20:00 - [120] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Doc Noah wrote: Kinda sad you need a lawyer to read the EULA for you :( EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. THAT is an underhand business tactic, exploitation and more than worthy of a complaint to the office of fait trading and consumer rights groups. You do realize there is another part of the EULA that says CCP can ban you if you make their lives difficult. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 191	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:29:00 - [121] - Quote its just too bad none of these people realise that CCP diddnt actually sell you anything... its sony that sells AUR that would be like sueing walmart for something you bought at zellers....
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 262	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:35:00 - [122] - Quote lol Pineapples on pizza.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 737	Posted - 2013.11.21 07:37:00 - [123] - Quote I'd love to sue the pants off CCP for a lot of things. However, EULA aside, this is what you get if you buy virtual, digital based content. I'm just waiting for Apple to take back my movies I bought off of Apple TV or the shows I bought from Sony. They cover their asses on their digital content. Remember, we are buying the right to use stuff, not buying the stuff. We paid to rent it. If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 658	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:15:00 - [124] - Quote so the British Government will be spending tax payers money YOUR money to help you win back 5 dollars? and how much in taxes will be spent on that now? lol YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 306	Posted - 2013.11.21 08:16:00 - [125] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I'd love to sue the pants off CCP for a lot of things. However, EULA aside, this is what you get if you buy virtual, digital based content. I'm just waiting for Apple to take back my movies I bought off of Apple TV or the shows I bought from Sony. They cover their asses on their digital content. Remember, we are buying the right to use stuff, not buying the stuff. We paid to rent it. This guy is right. With any digital content the company retains ownership (in the EULA) and we the consumer are just GÇ£leasing" it. No matter the length of the "lease" at any time they can remove the item. They don't even have to refund you as the consumer because you merely paid to "rent." Be happy they are refunding anything because legally don't have to. Call it underhanded, shady, whatever but it's still legal. Companies rarely act harshly and refuse reimbursement because of how that affects PR, not because of some legal obligation.
Brokerib Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 34	Posted - 2013.11.21 09:39:00 - [126] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: This guy is right. With any digital content the company retains ownership (in the EULA) and we the consumer are just GÇ£leasing" it. No matter the length of the "lease" at any time they can remove the item. They don't even have to refund you as the consumer because you merely paid to "rent." Be happy they are refunding anything because legally don't have to. Call it underhanded, shady, whatever but it's still legal. Companies rarely act harshly and refuse reimbursement because of how that affects PR, not because of some legal obligation. I wouldn't be too sure about that. Legally, ownership rights of digital content is very much a grey area, and I doubt that either Sony or CCP are interested in the possibility of setting a precedent that could apply across the EU for the sake of a couple of dollars. And just on a side note, the EULA doesn't trump local law or consumer rights, regardless of what they put in it. Portions of EULA that seek to remove or limit consumer rights have been struck out before, when tested in court. Not saying that it's necessarily going to be the case here, but for those who are claiming 'you signed the EULA and that's it' are straight up wrong.
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1947	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:02:00 - [127] - Quote I would like to remind people that an agreement or contract. Does NOT override the law in the UK. This is to prevent companies tricking people though wall of txts and why most student landlords back down pdq when u get lawyers involved. Ccp could be in real trouble of false advertising of which they have clearly broken on which I will be discussing with Sony "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1807	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:12:00 - [128] - Quote Well, this apparently one ups the guy who's mommy was a lawyer... what a maroon.
Protected Void Endless Hatred 183	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:14:00 - [129] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EternalRMG wrote: Marston VC wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. *Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Let it he a stupie guy who wants to sue a big company who has way better lawyer that he could ever think of getting only cause he hasnt got a bpo that is getting refunded anyways and wasnt part of any promotion I don't need to pay for an expensive lawyer, as I'm a UK and EU citizen. You see thacts the great tthing about not being an American, it's that my government actually protects my rights and the Office of Fair Trading can fight my claim for me for free, because after all, the British Government works for the people. Yes...and the resources that the Office of Fair Trading spends on handling your petty squabble are of course magically created out of thin air. It's not like it's coming out of the government's tax income or anything. Taxes that you and all other citizens pay. /sarcasm You're abusing an excellent system for consumer protection and wasting resources that could be better spent on...well, anything, really.
David Spd Caldari State 94	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:19:00 - [130] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Don't you have to sue Sony first? Since its 'their money' you spent? Just give me a SP Respec and you can take back your Smelly BPOs... XD Different topic in discussion with CCP now over that one at the moment and even as an Anti-respec person myself I am willing to conceded based on the measures taken to prevent abuses but still be appealing to players to use. On that if we have respecs I am totally against SP penalties now. Well i dont consider it a DIFFERENT topic. Im just thinking: WHAT else might i consider buying with my Money? now converted into AUR? And thats pretty much the only thing CCP can offer me that make me stay playing this game. The equation is easy: costumers + satisfied = Constant playerbase Costumers + unsatisfied = Tranquility server with 100 Dust players Well... there is a new thing you can buy with aurum coming up but blog isn't out yet. Unless it's a permanent cosmetic I don't think anybody will care, but since you're obviously stepping on the NDA line I imagine you find it to be a big deal. Now whether or not the community will give two *** about it... different story entirely. --> I'm a closed beta vet; I just don't post often <--** "Other people just complicate my life." ~Solid Snake

Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1807	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:24:00 - [131] - Quote One thing that strikes me is that CCP is building out the game, adding new things, working towards something better that will draw more people and perhaps keep it alive in the long term. So, instead of allowing any progress, we'd rather attempt to discourage CCP from making changes. Fine, I guess instead they could launch Dust 2 and have people optionally choose to migrate over. Then, you can stay behind with your precious gear in a game nobody plays anymore -- but at least upholding regulations to your own interpretations and preferences. Don't get me wrong... I'd be pissed to be losing BPOs myself, but this is dumb.
Hin Raven Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:35:00 - [132] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? This post here where CCP is telling you to "HURRY UP AND BUY" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1420895#post1420895 The fact that they made a dev post encouraging you to buy items that not a couple of months later they were going to remove. It is misleading to the customer and basically a swindle perpetrated by CCP to create a massive influx of money that had people known then that this would happen would probably not have made a purchase of AUR to buy said items. BAD BUSINESS CCP! I hope his suit has a leg and actually goes somewhere. Would you buy a new fridge simply because you saw a Whirlpool ad, even though it would add absolutely nothing to your life? Probably not. It was your decision to buy, not CCP's. That's like saying it's the stove's fault you stuck your hand in the fire. Being a victim of false advertisement doesn't make you an idiot, it just makes the corporation and idiot for trying to pull the wool over your eyes, fleece you for your money and exploit you as a consumer and expect to get away with it without facing any repercussions. ** off you your not a *** victim. If you want to know about real atrocities do some research and see what your precious *** government is doing to children and other innocents in the middle east. To recap you are not a victim you are just a *** sad pathethic entitled . ** OFF!!!!!!!!!!
Hecarim Van Hohen Knights of Eternal Darkness 253	Posted - 2013.11.21 10:39:00 - [133] - Quote Well this was amusing to read so thanks are in order. -Never forget 2013.11.21 02:46- D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 179	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:38:00 - [134] - Quote "plz sue these people for refunding something in full, how dare they do that" Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1465	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:45:00 - [135] - Quote Your getting a refund in aurum for the vehicle mods being taken out the games. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 847	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:53:00 - [136] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service. I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com Understanding the law If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work. Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller. What does this contract really mean? Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'. Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman. I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. You know all those BPOs you bought? You didn't buy them, you rented them. CCP has DRM on all items in the game, and owns all of your BPOs. That's the magic of DRM. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94]* Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 417	Posted - 2013.11.21 11:57:00 - [137] - Quote Haha! Good luck. [S]-[H]-[I]-[T] - 514. Seriously this game is dead, move along. CCP devs go and make something nice for Eve.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1790	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:31:00 - [138] - Quote Smots Ju-Kyu wrote: OP you are an idiot. Go back to this Thread and read very carefully. They list all the modules/turrets/vehicles and nowhere on that list are LAV BPO's that you are crying about. Whoever gets your complaint is gonna **** their pants laughing at you. No this is the problem with having your legal aid done by someone that you aren't personally paying. They will probably put in a dozen or so hours billable to your taxpayers to find out that this lawsuit can't possible go anywhere, then it would be YOU who has irresponsibly cost your country money.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1970	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:44:00 - [139] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: I love how people are complaining about the removal of four militia vehicle module blueprints. I'm beginning to think that some of the people on these forums don't know how to read without being blinded by some strange all consuming rage at nothing. By the way, for these particular items you bought the Aurum from Sony and then used the Aurum as credits for these items so... good luck If the dude really took the time to file a complaint with his government about 4 crappy BPOs then he's certifiable Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 82	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:48:00 - [140] - Quote OKGÇª CCP created revenue by advertising permanent in game items (note that it doesnGÇÖt matter when you purchased these items, they were always advertised as permanent), they confirmed that our BPOGÇÖs will remain with our characters and even urged us to buy them before they are no longer available. By removing these items they have breached the contract and are liable to compensate. Now, a seller can cancel the contract (purchase) but both the seller and buyer must agree on the terms. The seller cannot mandate what compensation suits the buyer. They can offer store credit (AUR in this case) but if the buyer does not accept the terms, they must refund cash or offer a similar product. Seeing as similar product is not available, then cash it is. EULA will never surpass this and to be honest, this is not about the EULA anyway. A product was advertised, confirmed to be permanent and then removed. If 3000 people purchased $5 worth of BPOGÇÖs, CCP made $15,000.00. AUR is not a fair trade, as players are out of money and it is replaced by in game currency that is not valid currency outside the game. Giving AUR costs CCP nothing. IGÇÖm upset that they are removing the 4 BPOGÇÖs, not because IGÇÖm financially ruined or because the items were brilliant but because it goes against what they said to us. They said they will not be removing BPOGÇÖs but what do you call this then? I can let this slide but if CCP starts eyeballing any other BPOGÇÖs I have, they will have to refund me PSN credit. I have too much AUR already, thereGÇÖs nothing on the market that I want to spend it on. Sure, I can get some boosters but I have over 23 mil SP on my character so it seems a little pointless plus I still have, I think, 2 passive boosters and 1 active waiting to be used. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â. ... -¦ ß¦íß¦Ç-ò -òß¦äß¦Ç+¦+¦ß¦çß¦à ß¦Å+¦ß¦äß¦ç... -òß¦¢-¦-ƒ-ƒ -ôß¦çß¦ç-ƒ ß¦Ç -ƒ-¦ß¦¢ß¦¢-ƒß¦ç ß¦á-¦ß¦Å-ƒß¦Çß¦¢ß¦çß¦à

Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3845	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:49:00 - [141] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: MERC PACK REFUND DEBATE ROUND TWO! IT JUST WON'T ******* END. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
4447 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 829	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:50:00 - [142] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: so the British Government will be spending tax payers money YOUR money to help you win back 5 dollars? and how much in taxes will be spent on that now? lol It would be small claims court , if he wins they should give comp. Creep, Radiohead.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 3837	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:03:00 - [143] - Quote Almost all User Agreements/Terms of Service/EULA have an article which addresses the developers right to modify and/or remove game content at any time. You did, by the way, agree to all of these just by playing the game. CCP is not entitled or required to do anything. ANON Diplomat -//- I Support SP Rollover ^_^
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 137	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:15:00 - [144] - Quote I think this thread has become a bit toxic, but regardless of people's opinions on this, remember an EULA does not supersede statutory rights. How these relate to digital content in the UK is another matter. Keep in mind cases like this are not new, and just show the difficulty of the digital economy. The UK advertising standards Agency received complaints regarding the ending of Mass Effect 3 and investigated it to it's conclusion (it was not upheld, meaning EA were in the clear) What is going to happen: 1) Will the complainant win or lose? Impossible to say 2) Will the complaint be taken seriously? Of course. They will investigate until they have reached an appropriate conclusion, whatever that may be. I do feel this doesn't need to be on the forums though, and could've been done by petition.
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 254	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:20:00 - [145] - Quote @OP: It sounds like CCP could not win in this situation. For balance purposes they completely removed those BPOs and related STD/ADV/PRO modules, and they are nice enough to refund the AUR from those modules. So instead of removing the module BPOs from your inventory (because they will be completely unusable) you sound like you'd be happy if they left them in, but made them unusable. But wait you wouldn't be happy with that, and try to 'sue' them over that as well. Look, game balance dictates that these items have to go, be happy that they are refunding your AUR. However, I agree (a little bit) that the removal of BPOs from other packs (that don't have a current known AUR value) would anger me. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Dust Junky 4Life Shitstorm Inc 166	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:24:00 - [146] - Quote You people are ignorant. I put in over 100 bucks for bpo's. I have 30mill sp. I have NO USE for aur. A Shitstorm is coming...........
R F Gyro Clones 4u 654	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:46:00 - [147] - Quote It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If I had to guess I'd say that the view would be that Aurum should be treated like a gift voucher. If you buy something in a shop with the voucher, then there is a problem with what you buy, the shop can refund you with vouchers. I don't think it matters whether you bought the vouchers with the specific intent to get the product with it or not, they won't be obligated to refund in cash. Having said that, I wonder if it matters if the shop only sells the product for vouchers, not cash. In that case you would have been forced to spend cash to buy the vouchers to buy the product, and that might have an impact. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 1008	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:48:00 - [148] - Quote Dey tuk ur juuuurbs I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 255	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:55:00 - [149] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: You people are ignorant. I put in over 100 bucks for bpo's. I have 30mill sp. I have NO USE for aur. So you have every skill in the game to 5? If not, then you have a use for boosters. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 979	Posted - 2013.11.21 13:56:00 - [150] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: You people are ignorant. I put in over 100 bucks for bpo's. I have 30mill sp. I have NO USE for aur. Only an ignorant player would say that. 1) If you have 30 mil sp then you have no need of running BPO fits. You can easily make money with paid fits every match. I do this with about a third of your SP. 2) Using the AUR for boosters will mean that you get access to the full skill tree faster which will increase your versitility on the playfield thus making it easier for you to make isk/be succsssful in any given situation. Stop your bitching, take your AUR, and enjoy the game. Fun > Realism

Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 124	Posted - 2013.11.21 15:49:00 - [151] - Quote Vin Mora wrote: @OP: It sounds like CCP could not win in this situation. For balance purposes they completely removed those BPOs and related STD/ADV/PRO modules, and they are nice enough to refund the AUR from those modules. So instead of removing the module BPOs from your inventory (because they will be completely unusable) you sound like you'd be happy if they left them in, but made them unusable. But wait you wouldn't be happy with that, and try to 'sue' them over that as well. Look, game balance dictates that these items have to go, be happy that they are refunding your AUR. However, I agree (a little bit) that the removal of BPOs from other packs (that don't have a current known AUR value) would anger me. CCP is not removing my Blood Raider Saga or my Ishukone Watch Saga, which I usr my BPOs on, so no they won't be useless as I would stI'll be using them the way I do now after the update. I can has ISK
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 124	Posted - 2013.11.21 16:08:00 - [152] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: OKGÇª CCP created revenue by advertising permanent in game items (note that it doesnGÇÖt matter when you purchased these items, they were always advertised as permanent), they confirmed that our BPOGÇÖs will remain with our characters and even urged us to buy them before they are no longer available. By removing these items they have breached the contract and are liable to compensate. Now, a seller can cancel the contract (purchase) but both the seller and buyer must agree on the terms. The seller cannot mandate what compensation suits the buyer. They can offer store credit (AUR in this case) but if the buyer does not accept the terms, they must refund cash or offer a similar product. Seeing as similar product is not available, then cash it is. EULA will never surpass this and to be honest, this is not about the EULA anyway. A product was advertised, confirmed to be permanent and then removed. If 3000 people purchased $5 worth of BPOGÇÖs, CCP made $15,000.00. AUR is not a fair trade, as players are out of money and it is replaced by in game currency that is not valid currency outside the game. Giving AUR costs CCP nothing. IGÇÖm upset that they are removing the 4 BPOGÇÖs, not because IGÇÖm financially ruined or because the items were brilliant but because it goes against what they said to us. They said they will not be removing BPOGÇÖs but what do you call this then? I can let this slide but if CCP starts eyeballing any other BPOGÇÖs I have, they will have to refund me PSN credit. I have too much AUR already, thereGÇÖs nothing on the market that I want to spend it on. Sure, I can get some boosters but I have over 23 mil SP on my character so it seems a little pointless plus I still have, I think, 2 passive boosters and 1 active waiting to be used. ^This. I agree with everything you said except I am NOT willing to let this slide. Once you give them an inch, CCP will take a mile, and it will be paved with the nerfed BPOs that you paid really money to get. I can has ISK
Jak'Saan Edge Regiment 110	Posted - 2013.11.21 16:10:00 - [153] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Message from Godin What in the actual **** are you talking about? The BPO LAV's are not being removed...... Lol clearly Op selectively pays very close attention to detail. Op you would make a better law wiki than a lawyer. It's comparable to suing a dealership because your buddies car had a recall...


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