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Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 366	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:55:00 - [61] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? This post here where CCP is telling you to "HURRY UP AND BUY" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1420895#post1420895 The fact that they made a dev post encouraging you to buy items that not a couple of months later they were going to remove. It is misleading to the customer and basically a swindle perpetrated by CCP to create a massive influx of money that had people known then that this would happen would probably not have made a purchase of AUR to buy said items. BAD BUSINESS CCP! I hope his suit has a leg and actually goes somewhere. Would you buy a new fridge simply because you saw a Whirlpool ad, even though it would add absolutely nothing to your life? Probably not. It was your decision to buy, not CCP's. That's like saying it's the stove's fault you stuck your hand in the fire. Being a victim of false advertisement doesn't make you an idiot, it just makes the corporation and idiot for trying to pull the wool over your eyes, fleece you for your money and exploit you as a consumer and expect to get away with it without facing any repercussions. So you bought. CCP realises that in order to better the game they have to change the mechanics of the game which would require the removal of said items, including the variants you bought. CCP reimburses you the AUR/credits you purchased in order to obtain said item, which is reasonable, at least you can spend it on something else in-game, and you decide to look to sue them. Okay. Let's say CCP let's you keep the items instead. What then? You can tell people you have these BPOs that make one more thing you have to scroll past as you make a fitting. Or let's say you win. You get back your $5, you buy a few Cokes. Better be the damn best tasting Cokes you ever had cause they sure as hell ain't going to last you as long as the BPO's you had. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1628	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:56:00 - [62] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope right no refunds... they also didn't say anything about paying for something they take away.... they made a deal to give me something with no refund not to give me something they are going to take away without a refund... what a handful of dopes we have here spouting EULA stuff they probably didn't read or understand.... they have no right to take our money for stuff they are taking out. They are reimbursing you with AUR for however much the BPO cost with AUR. It's legal. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 104	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:57:00 - [63] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Q: What happens to my existing Blueprints? A: Your existing Blueprints will remain in your inventory. Note that from the 8th of October, you will be unable to purchase new Blueprints except via the Veteran and Elite packs on the PlayStation-« Store. this^^^ I understand why they are removing the 4 stated BPO's the MAJOR problem I see with this is if we let CCP take advantage of us like this they are surely gonna do it again in the future and thats not cool most if not all players that are caught in this BPO removal need to stand up and say something before they remove more BPO's Exactly, once they start, whose to say they will stop. CCP are behaving like the *****, oh, we only want your little Polandish Vehicle Modules, oh dankershern... Bein we want all of your European BPOs, all of them. Zeich Hiel Aurumn BPCs. I can has ISK
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1300	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:57:00 - [64] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Q: What happens to my existing Blueprints? A: Your existing Blueprints will remain in your inventory. Note that from the 8th of October, you will be unable to purchase new Blueprints except via the Veteran and Elite packs on the PlayStation-« Store. this^^^ I understand why they are removing the 4 stated BPO's the MAJOR problem I see with this is if we let CCP take advantage of us like this they are surely gonna do it again in the future and thats not cool most if not all players that are caught in this BPO removal need to stand up and say something before they remove more BPO's the door was opened when they nerfed contact nades and aur cal logi suits.. back then I made a post demanding compensation for the people who bought this aur stuff. (I didn't even buy any of it) the same morons were saying to HTFU and read the EULA then to..... I hope those fools never reproduce....bunch of dopes.... SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2921	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:57:00 - [65] - Quote This post beats Karl Marx II For most incredibly stupid forum post of the week
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1301	Posted - 2013.11.21 03:59:00 - [66] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ***** dope right no refunds... they also didn't say anything about paying for something they take away.... they made a deal to give me something with no refund not to give me something they are going to take away without a refund... what a handful of dopes we have here spouting EULA stuff they probably didn't read or understand.... they have no right to take our money for stuff they are taking out. They are reimbursing you with AUR for however much the BPO cost with AUR. It's legal. but I only bought the aur for the bpo... I wouldn't have bought the aur otherwise... its underhanded.. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!**
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1628	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:00:00 - [67] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: This post beats Karl Marx II For most incredibly stupid forum post of the week Yup. Even if you made me want to RAIG the last time I played you in FW (Faqing needles...) this is stupid for both not reading the EULA, and not reading the thread. He forget that whatever it cost in AUR was being reimbursed, therefore it is legal by the code he agreed to (The EULA). Like I said, its legal. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 107	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:00:00 - [68] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: trooper7041 wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? Around September/October 5th or whenever it was eexactly, CCP put out a promotion of the marketplace homecreen encouraging people to spend AUR, which has real world value, to buy BPOs before they were removed From the market. Now these militia vehicle module BPOs, of whcih I bought near on 6 where bought with AUR, as the promotion clearly stated that they would be removed after said date. Now there was no mention that these BPOs would then go on to be removed entirely less than 3 months later, and believe me if there had been I wouldn't have purchased an aurumn pack to buy my militia BPOs in the first place. That is why Ive submitted a complaint, and that is why more people should do too. CCP is using misleading promotional campaigns, which have deceived me into spending money to buys something that they intended to later remove and that is a breach of the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights. So you first buy AUR. CCP says, "hey buy this BPO because it will be gone soon." You buy the BPO and then proceed to use it to earn a pretty hefty sum of ISK. CCP removes the BPO and gives you back you AUR. Should you give back all the ISK you made while using the BPO? you missed the most important part... I only bought the aur to get the bpo. now they take the bpo but give me the aur that I now have no use for because I don't need boosters and I don't like the aur gear... a psn credit is the only answer short of letting me keep the bpo's Agreed, PSN credits or CASH. Then I can go buy GTAV instead of this garbage I can has ISK
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1301	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:01:00 - [69] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Jakar Umbra wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? This post here where CCP is telling you to "HURRY UP AND BUY" https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1420895#post1420895 The fact that they made a dev post encouraging you to buy items that not a couple of months later they were going to remove. It is misleading to the customer and basically a swindle perpetrated by CCP to create a massive influx of money that had people known then that this would happen would probably not have made a purchase of AUR to buy said items. BAD BUSINESS CCP! I hope his suit has a leg and actually goes somewhere. Would you buy a new fridge simply because you saw a Whirlpool ad, even though it would add absolutely nothing to your life? Probably not. It was your decision to buy, not CCP's. That's like saying it's the stove's fault you stuck your hand in the fire. Being a victim of false advertisement doesn't make you an idiot, it just makes the corporation and idiot for trying to pull the wool over your eyes, fleece you for your money and exploit you as a consumer and expect to get away with it without facing any repercussions. So you bought. CCP realises that in order to better the game they have to change the mechanics of the game which would require the removal of said items, including the variants you bought. CCP reimburses you the AUR/credits you purchased in order to obtain said item, which is reasonable, at least you can spend it on something else in-game, and you decide to look to sue them. Okay. Let's say CCP let's you keep the items instead. What then? You can tell people you have these BPOs that make one more thing you have to scroll past as you make a fitting. Or let's say you win. You get back your $5, you buy a few Cokes. Better be the damn best tasting Cokes you ever had cause they sure as hell ain't going to last you as long as the BPO's you had. so how much of our stuff do they have to take before you think its worth fighting for? some of you people ae very shallow thinkers... you see the tree in front of you and dismiss the forest. SAY NO TO BPO REMOVALS!!
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1628	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:02:00 - [70] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope right no refunds... they also didn't say anything about paying for something they take away.... they made a deal to give me something with no refund not to give me something they are going to take away without a refund... what a handful of dopes we have here spouting EULA stuff they probably didn't read or understand.... they have no right to take our money for stuff they are taking out. They are reimbursing you with AUR for however much the BPO cost with AUR. It's legal. but I only bought the aur for the bpo... I wouldn't have bought the aur otherwise... its underhanded.. That's the law. They are reimbursing you a product of equal or greater value. IF you buy a PS4, but then a mandatory recall comes up, so they give you 2 free PS3's, even if you didn't want it/pay for it, its legal in that you maintained the value of your purchase. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior

Brokerib Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:02:00 - [71] - Quote To be honest, I'm quite surprised at the level of vitriol directed towards the OP for exercising his (her?) legal rights in an instance where they felt they had been unfairly dealt with by CCP/Sony. Regardless of whether you think the action is warranted, consumer protection laws are in place to allow an individual to seek redress from corporations without fear that their chance of a fair hearing would be sunk by the deep pockets and legal representation of the company involved. Not my cup of tea, but I support the OPs intent and right to challenge this legally, regardless of the outcome.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 472	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:08:00 - [72] - Quote qq I eat blue waffles when i proto stomp.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1628	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:10:00 - [73] - Quote Brokerib wrote: To be honest, I'm quite surprised at the level of vitriol directed towards the OP for exercising his (her?) legal rights in an instance where they felt they had been unfairly dealt with by CCP/Sony. Regardless of whether you think the action is warranted, consumer protection laws are in place to allow an individual to seek redress from corporations without fear that their chance of a fair hearing would be sunk by the deep pockets and legal representation of the company involved. Not my cup of tea, but I support the OPs intent and right to challenge this legally, regardless of the outcome. Hey, all I was doing was just saying how CCP's actions are legal, and therefore his suit will fail. Its understandable to be upset, even if this is a bit over the line. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 614	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:10:00 - [74] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: trooper7041 wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. ... except the BPOs in question were not, and never have been, part of a promotional offer. All BPOs that were part of a promotional offer are still in the game. So what leg are you standing on? Around September/October 5th or whenever it was eexactly, CCP put out a promotion of the marketplace homecreen encouraging people to spend AUR, which has real world value, to buy BPOs before they were removed From the market. Now these militia vehicle module BPOs, of whcih I bought near on 6 where bought with AUR, as the promotion clearly stated that they would be removed after said date. Now there was no mention that these BPOs would then go on to be removed entirely less than 3 months later, and believe me if there had been I wouldn't have purchased an aurumn pack to buy my militia BPOs in the first place. That is why Ive submitted a complaint, and that is why more people should do too. CCP is using misleading promotional campaigns, which have deceived me into spending money to buys something that they intended to later remove and that is a breach of the Sales of Goods Act and my consumer rights. So you first buy AUR. CCP says, "hey buy this BPO because it will be gone soon." You buy the BPO and then proceed to use it to earn a pretty hefty sum of ISK. CCP removes the BPO and gives you back you AUR. Should you give back all the ISK you made while using the BPO? ISK has no real world value, however the AUR that I had purchased does, yet I can't get that money back becausr AUR is non transferable or refundable so CCP says. Imagine being sold chip's at a casino, to play a game of roulette, win a game or two, only to have the roulette table close, and then find the chips you won are non transferable back into cash. But hey, at least you can go play a game of slots with all the chips you got, but you still won't get any cash! Actually isk does have a real world value 1 plex (25$)= some billions of isk "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 181	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:11:00 - [75] - Quote ok heres the thing. your purchased AUR converting AUR into an ingame item is a GAME function, a GAME mechanic, its part of the GAME. the AUR never goes anywhere, and if the GAME item disapears for some reason, the AUR is returned. YOU BOUGHT AUR and it doesnt matter WHY you bought it. the item you purchased was AUR, everythign else is a game mechnic, and therefor isnt subject to legal action BECAUSE ITS A GAME.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 107	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:14:00 - [76] - Quote Brokerib wrote: To be honest, I'm quite surprised at the level of vitriol directed towards the OP for exercising his (her?) legal rights in an instance where they felt they had been unfairly dealt with by CCP/Sony. Regardless of whether you think the action is warranted, consumer protection laws are in place to allow an individual to seek redress from corporations without fear that their chance of a fair hearing would be sunk by the deep pockets and legal representation of the company involved. Not my cup of tea, but I support the OPs intent and right to challenge this legally, regardless of the outcome. Someone who doesn't have their head stuck up CCPs arse licking their prostate. I can has ISK
Yelhsa Jin-Mao GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 107	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:16:00 - [77] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Khemlar Maktaar wrote: When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope right no refunds... they also didn't say anything about paying for something they take away.... they made a deal to give me something with no refund not to give me something they are going to take away without a refund... what a handful of dopes we have here spouting EULA stuff they probably didn't read or understand.... they have no right to take our money for stuff they are taking out. They are reimbursing you with AUR for however much the BPO cost with AUR. It's legal. but I only bought the aur for the bpo... I wouldn't have bought the aur otherwise... its underhanded.. That's the law. They are reimbursing you a product of equal or greater value. IF you buy a PS4, but then a mandatory recall comes up, so they give you 2 free PS3's, even if you didn't want it/pay for it, its legal in that you maintained the value of your purchase. Nope. Does 600 $1 gobstoppers sound like a reasonable replacement for Your PS4 aswell by your logic so long as they have a Sony logo on them. I can has ISK
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 364	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:18:00 - [78] - Quote I don't know why CCP is choosing to remove vehicle BPOs from inventory instead of changing the BPO stats to match the new militia stats. It's a pretty **** move on their part. The whole aurum refund may not be good enough to satisfy people who spent money in order to buy the BPO(s). As many have already stated before: aurum < real money. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2239	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:20:00 - [79] - Quote medomai grey wrote: I don't know why CCP is choosing to remove vehicle BPOs from inventory instead of changing the BPO stats to match the new militia stats. It's a pretty **** move on their part. The whole aurum refund may not be good enough to satisfy people who spent money in order to buy the BPO(s). As many have already stated before: aurum < real money. The modules are being removed from the game after 1.7. Not just the BPOs.
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 186	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:20:00 - [80] - Quote to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum

Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2239	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:23:00 - [81] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum It's in both CCPs and Sonys EULA. It says that they can remove any paid item as long as they reimburse you with an item of equal or greater value. (Which in this case is the amount of AUR you originally paid for them)
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1761	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:25:00 - [82] - Quote You didn't read the EULA properly now did you? Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 614	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:25:00 - [83] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum It's in both CCPs and Sonys EULA. It says that they can remove any paid item as long as they reimburse you with an item of equal or greater value. (Which in this case is the amount of AUR you originally paid for them) What... common sense!!? in this thread!!? No Way!!! "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 367	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:32:00 - [84] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: so how much of our stuff do they have to take before you think its worth fighting for? some of you people ae very shallow thinkers... you see the tree in front of you and dismiss the forest. Of all the things... Okay let me get this right. You bought Aurum. Whatever your intentions with said Aurum... You bought Aurum. With real money you entered the PSN Store and clicked the Aurum amount, add to cart and then purchased it. You did not click on militia BPO and then buy it, you clicked on Aurum, which is a currency to use in Dust514 to purchase items that are for sale within the game universe for Aurum. You purchased within this game universe using the Aurum which you bought for real world money, a militia BPO or a few. CCP, the developers of the game, while they were trying to make the game better realised that in order to have the game progress mechanically, they must alter certain mechanics within the game that require them to remove the FOUR MILITIA BPOS that would simply cease to function once they update the game. Because of this they decide that upon their removal you will be reimbursed the Aurum which you used to obtain said in-game item. CCP previously stated that they will not be removing BPOs from inventory. Okay fair enough. But they stated afterwards that in order for the game to progress they need to remove these things and that they'll reimburse you the Aurum which is replacing the item with something of equal value which you can even use to purchase something else in game. So instead of saying okay it's fair at least I can use the Aurum to get something else in-game you want to sue them. CCP is not responsible for your intent when you seek to buy Aurum. So you worry about other BPO's that may get removed. While I doubt CCP would do this, though I do not discount the possibility, it would probably result in a virtually immediate shutdown of the servers as no one would continue to play this game. These BPO's are getting removed as a result of changes to the game. What you want CCP to change their development so you can keep the most useless BPO's in existence? You call me a shallow thinker? All you see is one thing BPO's. There are other things in the game as well. You're simply too narrow-minded to buy them. By the way if CCP were to unanimously decide to shut down the servers tomorrow they wouldn't owe you ****. Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/20/2013.
Thanatus Sleep 8	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:35:00 - [85] - Quote LMFAO you people going crazy over 4 BPO *Im a sad merc* Aq-Rg
Kahn Zo Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 95	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:35:00 - [86] - Quote Good luck to you OP, you got some nads. Defiant. Need another moist, chilled towelette to wipe the brow CCP? Another bag of popcorn please. Pure Gallente
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 615	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:42:00 - [87] - Quote Kahn Zo wrote: Good luck to you OP, you got some nads. Defiant. Need another moist, chilled towelette to wipe the brow CCP? Another bag of popcorn please. Here good sir give popcorn POPCORN TAKE YOUR POPCORN FRESH MADE POPCORN 10ISK THE PORTION "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 364	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:42:00 - [88] - Quote Thanatus Sleep wrote: LMFAO you people going crazy over 4 BPO Yep. Because this issue could extend to other BPOs in the future. Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Smots Ju-Kyu The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 49	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:42:00 - [89] - Quote Here's an idea for the op. Petition CCP to scrap 1.7 since u seem to want your precious BPOs more than a balanced functioning game. The Sound of Freedom Always looking for quality mercenaries
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2282	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:45:00 - [90] - Quote I really want to see the official filed paperwork for this lawsuit and the bill I don't believe anyone would actually be daft enough to try this. It has to be a troll.



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