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EternalRMG
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
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Posted - 2013.11.21 04:47:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Thanatus Sleep wrote:LMFAO you people going crazy over 4 BPO Yep. Because this issue could extend to other BPOs in the future.
And...?
Get over it guys
the only bpos that we are going to keep are those that could never be bought from the market
"Fight Togheter; Win Together"
Duster Since: July 2012
Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
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Smots Ju-Kyu
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.21 04:48:00 -
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You never know. Op seems like he came from the shallow end of the gene pool
The Sound of Freedom
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Your Absolut End
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.21 04:52:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Khemlar Maktaar wrote:When you bought it you signed an agreement that no refunds would be givin read the terms of the sale u ******* dope The purchase agreement was with Sony and not CCP, therefore If Sony were to be the ones removing my BPOs then it would be a different matter, but seeing as its not, and CCP are the ones interfering with something that they were not party to, I am well within my rights as a consumer to lodge a complaint and seek legal advice.
actually IF ccp is really just going to take away militia BPOs...you just could buy those with aurum, which you bought from sony.
CCP is not corrupting the aurum-purchase contract you had with sony.
They just change what you bought with that before purchased aurum, not the aurum purchase itself.
it would be a different story if they remove bpos you purchased within a mercpack etc.
This was indeed a trade with sony, not with ccp.
another one bites the Dust...
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.21 04:57:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Marston VC wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:I've sent a complaint to the Office of Fair Trading (UK equivalent of America's national consumer rights government body) regarding the removal of in-game content (vehicle BPO) that I have purchased from Sony, which is now being removed by a third party who was not party to the purchase agreement, and who is infringing on my consumer rights. I have made a complaint under the following circumstances, failure to comply with Sales of Goods Act 1979, as well as a complaint regarding underhand business tactics and poor customer service.
I would also like you all to note a little extract taken from moneysavingexpert.com
Understanding the law
If you've got a dispute going on, it's important not just to know your rights, but to understand how and why they work.
Every time you buy something, be it a mobile phone from a mate or a week in Cuba from a travel agent, you make a contract with the seller.
What does this contract really mean?
Both you and the other party agree to terms and conditions. The seller has agreed to provide your 'statutory rights'.
*Note the phrase the seller has agreed to provide your statutory rights, not a third party developer, producer, manufacturer, burger van owner or car salesman.
I encourage everyone to exercise their consumer rights and seek legal advice against CCP, and do not be afraid to take action If you get the go-ahead From your legal advisor or consumer rights group, as I certainly will be. Part of the agreement you make when purchasing stuff from CCP says that CCP has rights to change and reimburse you, the consumer, with any item(s) of (what they deem as) equivalent value. Your getting reimbursed anyway, so I don't see the problem here...... Part of my rights as a consumer is to request a refund of equal measure if I am not satisfied with the terms offered when one party to the purchase agreement decides to change it. As a consumer I am legally entitled to request a CASH refund of equal value If CCP decides that it does not want to honor the original agreement. I suguest you educate yourself a little more on consumer rights, and stop banging your head against EULAs.
your just being a whistle blower dude. You could have done all this without posting something like this on public forums trying to stir up the pot. Do whatever you want man, next time don't by 30 copies of a militia item........
Marston VC, STB director
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dustwaffle
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:01:00 -
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This is too funny!
Keep us updated, especially if you fail and get counter-sued by the Fair Trade Office for wasting everyone's time.
Also, you 'claim' to be seeking legal action. Pics/Video or it didn't happen.
EDIT: You signed away your 'rights' when you agreed to the EULA. To those that claim we're harping on about the EULA, well, you don't like it, don't agree to it. |
Thanatus Sleep
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:05:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:medomai grey wrote:Thanatus Sleep wrote:LMFAO you people going crazy over 4 BPO Yep. Because this issue could extend to other BPOs in the future. And...? Get over it guys the only bpos that we are going to keep are those that could never be bought from the market
This ^
'BUT' If it ever do happen I go apeshit and help out.
Im a sad merc
Aq-Rg
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:20:00 -
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I will send you $20 if you add a complaint about the merc pack not getting refunded when the game launched.
Dust 514 started from the bottom now we here.
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Thanatus Sleep
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:31:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:I will send you $20 if you add a complaint about the merc pack not getting refunded when the game launched.
LMFAO this was like about less than a year ago.
Poor ass merc trying to milk the money just like CCP.
Im a sad merc
Aq-Rg
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AAGMUNDR
Reliable Overwatch Inc.
271
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:35:00 -
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Oh yeah you get em OP. How dare they take our spaceman game car parts. Let us know how you stick it to 'em.
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Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:40:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum It's in both CCPs and Sonys EULA. It says that they can remove any paid item as long as they reimburse you with an item of equal or greater value. (Which in this case is the amount of AUR you originally paid for them) What... common sense!!? in this thread!!? No Way!!!
B-b-but I said that too!
WAAAAAAAAAAA
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:41:00 -
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Don't you have to sue Sony first?
Since its 'their money' you spent?
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1884
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:45:00 -
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The ridiculous is strong in this thread.
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ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
156
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Don't you have to sue Sony first?
Since its 'their money' you spent?
Just give me a SP Respec and you can take back your Smelly BPOs... XD |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10461
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:50:00 -
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ACE OF JOKERS wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Don't you have to sue Sony first?
Since its 'their money' you spent? Just give me a SP Respec and you can take back your Smelly BPOs... XD
Different topic in discussion with CCP now over that one at the moment and even as an Anti-respec person myself I am willing to conceded based on the measures taken to prevent abuses but still be appealing to players to use.
On that if we have respecs I am totally against SP penalties now.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:52:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:to be fair though in OP's defense. CCP have many notices which state the BPO is a Permanent Item, without an asterix at the side stating they could be removed. so really on all their promotional items for the bpo's like the EVE collectors edition, the daemon shottie bpo, the merc packs or the guristas bpo code tickets they are declaring the bpos as permanent items without an exemption notice which could be the way forward in a case. at least as a way to get cash back over aurum It's in both CCPs and Sonys EULA. It says that they can remove any paid item as long as they reimburse you with an item of equal or greater value. (Which in this case is the amount of AUR you originally paid for them)
but the issue with that is that on printed media where the EULA for the item isn't available there is no indication that the item which they state as being permanent, can be removed. which could be the way forward in an arguement.
what they should have, liek any other promotion, is an asterix at the side directing people to read the EULA and note that items may be removed from game even after purchase. since CCP hasn't done this on any of the printed media for BPO items i listed then they could face an issue.
when it comes to the militia module BPOs being removed then tbh i think all you'd get is AUR. same as if they wanted to remove the M.A.G tribute suits. things like the Merc pack suits though could earn a cash or at least PSN refund seeing as people were buying a product from psn store and not in DUST, the issue would probably be more directed to PSN customer service than CCPs |
Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
200
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:52:00 -
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I could definately see you being able to sue them over removal of BPOs that you bought in a pack, as those packs were advertised as having that item (like the collectors edition.)
Unfortunately I don't think the same would apply for things you purchased on the marketplace. You paid for AURUM, an in-game currency. What you did with that in-game currency I think would be outside of CCP's advertised product (aurum) so I think they would be in the clear. Now if you paid like $5 directly for those BPOs, then I could see there being real problems.
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ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:52:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ACE OF JOKERS wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Don't you have to sue Sony first?
Since its 'their money' you spent? Just give me a SP Respec and you can take back your Smelly BPOs... XD Different topic in discussion with CCP now over that one at the moment and even as an Anti-respec person myself I am willing to conceded based on the measures taken to prevent abuses but still be appealing to players to use. On that if we have respecs I am totally against SP penalties now.
Well i dont consider it a DIFFERENT topic. Im just thinking:
WHAT else might i consider buying with my Money? now converted into AUR?
And thats pretty much the only thing CCP can offer me that make me stay playing this game.
The MAth is rather easy:
costumers + satisfied = Constant/Happy playerbase
Costumers + unsatisfied = Tranquility server with 100 Dust players |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10461
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:55:00 -
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ACE OF JOKERS wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ACE OF JOKERS wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Don't you have to sue Sony first?
Since its 'their money' you spent? Just give me a SP Respec and you can take back your Smelly BPOs... XD Different topic in discussion with CCP now over that one at the moment and even as an Anti-respec person myself I am willing to conceded based on the measures taken to prevent abuses but still be appealing to players to use. On that if we have respecs I am totally against SP penalties now. Well i dont consider it a DIFFERENT topic. Im just thinking:
WHAT else might i consider buying with my Money? now converted into AUR?
And thats pretty much the only thing CCP can offer me that make me stay playing this game.The equation is easy: costumers + satisfied = Constant playerbaseCostumers + unsatisfied = Tranquility server with 100 Dust players
Well... there is a new thing you can buy with aurum coming up but blog isn't out yet.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.21 05:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Well... there is a new thing you can buy with aurum coming up but blog isn't out yet.
If its better than simple Boosters i might consider it. At 20 million + SP i really have no desire in Boosters.And NON permanent stuff seems trivial.
an SP respec to fix all the stuff i messed up because of my faulty reading comprehension would be great...
But i'll give you a chance.I'll wait and see... |
Magnus Amadeuss
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
200
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Posted - 2013.11.21 06:05:00 -
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ACE OF JOKERS wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Well... there is a new thing you can buy with aurum coming up but blog isn't out yet.
If its better than simple Boosters i might consider it. At 20 million + SP i really have no desire in Boosters.And NON permanent stuff seems trivial. an SP respec to fix all the stuff i messed up because of my faulty reading comprehension would be great... But i'll give you a chance.I'll wait and see...
I think he might be talking about FW boosters maybe??
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Rowdy Railgunner
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.21 06:05:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I could definately see you being able to sue them over removal of BPOs that you bought in a pack, as those packs were advertised as having that item (like the collectors edition.)
Unfortunately I don't think the same would apply for things you purchased on the marketplace. You paid for AURUM, an in-game currency. What you did with that in-game currency I think would be outside of CCP's advertised product (aurum) so I think they would be in the clear. Now if you paid like $5 directly for those BPOs, then I could see there being real problems.
But the reason that some AURUM was purchased was specifically for BPOs which CCP pushed upon the playerbase in this post here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112962&find=unread The fact that they pushed the customer base to buy BPOs before they were "GONE FROM THE MARKET" with the promise that BPOs in your inventory would be untouched is fraud, plain and simple. Let's look at their road map now. I'm sure a judge would like to see a company pushing a product that they knew would be worthless a couple of months down the line. CCP=sheisty swindlers and frauds. |
Rowdy Railgunner
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.21 06:07:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store!
Sheister. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.11.21 06:56:00 -
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So I was just surfing through the forums, hadn't hit any big waves, then I came across this one.
You bought Aurum an in game currency for use to buy special products in the game. That's what you bought. It just so happened that you decided to spend that Aurum that you bought with your real money on some in game items that cost Aurum not real world currency.
Now a few months later CCP revamps vehicles and decided that some of these items are no longer needed. So they refund the Aurum that these items were worth upon purchase, or a little more. I don't know original price because I don't waste Aurum on militia items.
You now have the Aurum that you bought with real world currency. Now you can spend it on something worth it like I don't know a passive booster, or an active if you actually play the game still.
"Do not underestimate the power you have."
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4685
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Posted - 2013.11.21 06:59:00 -
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You sir, deserve a paddlin'.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:00:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:CCP Frame wrote:So donGÇÖt forget to take advantage of the in-game market now to secure items that you may need before they are gone from the in-game store! Sheister.
yeah that message was could be quite a killer, but then again that is still possible under the EULA, even though it is pretty unfair trading practice do do something like that, its more morally wrong than comletely legally wrong and would more than liekly come down to the judgement from OFT about action taken
Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I could definately see you being able to sue them over removal of BPOs that you bought in a pack, as those packs were advertised as having that item (like the collectors edition.)
Unfortunately I don't think the same would apply for things you purchased on the marketplace. You paid for AURUM, an in-game currency. What you did with that in-game currency I think would be outside of CCP's advertised product (aurum) so I think they would be in the clear. Now if you paid like $5 directly for those BPOs, then I could see there being real problems.
yeah items bought ingame for AUR would simply be awarded AUR refund. you can't prove you bought the aurum just for that item. where that may differ is with items that was advertised under the above quotes message. CCP directed you to buy them so you didn't miss out, items bought with aurum during the period CCP suggested you buy the items so not to miss out on them could be entitled to a cash refund as players would been more likely to purchase aurum for specific purpose of buying them |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:02:00 -
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MERC PACK REFUND DEBATE ROUND TWO! |
Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:03:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Im already seeking legal action against CCP
Hahahahahaha
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
655
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:07:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I could definately see you being able to sue them over removal of BPOs that you bought in a pack, as those packs were advertised as having that item (like the collectors edition.)
Unfortunately I don't think the same would apply for things you purchased on the marketplace. You paid for AURUM, an in-game currency. What you did with that in-game currency I think would be outside of CCP's advertised product (aurum) so I think they would be in the clear. Now if you paid like $5 directly for those BPOs, then I could see there being real problems. But the reason that some AURUM was purchased was specifically for BPOs which CCP pushed upon the playerbase in this post here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112962&find=unread The fact that they pushed the customer base to buy BPOs before they were "GONE FROM THE MARKET" with the promise that BPOs in your inventory would be untouched is fraud, plain and simple. Let's look at their road map now. I'm sure a judge would like to see a company pushing a product that they knew would be worthless a couple of months down the line. CCP=sheisty swindlers and frauds.
+1. Robust example of a bald-faced lie by CCP. Not the first in their long line of petty swindling schemes.
I wonder how soon this thread is getting locked.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
5301
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:09:00 -
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Self-entitlement at its finest.
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
131
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Posted - 2013.11.21 07:20:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Kinda sad you need a lawyer to read the EULA for you :( EULA does NOT exempt Sony, CCP, or any other company from UK and EU law, especially when said company advertises an item with a limited offer (aka BPOs) with a big promotional offer, only to then remove said items offered in the promotion less than 3 months later. THAT is an underhand business tactic, exploitation and more than worthy of a complaint to the office of fait trading and consumer rights groups.
You do realize there is another part of the EULA that says CCP can ban you if you make their lives difficult.
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