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TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 871	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:02:00 - [31] - Quote I'm off to actually play dust now.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 321	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:03:00 - [32] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I'm off to actually play dust now. Don't rage too hard.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 484	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:08:00 - [33] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Okay. I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted) Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot) At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go ** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the ** out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended. I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation. Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead Much better compromise. Please.
Alldin Kan MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 718	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:10:00 - [34] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Clearly people want more definition with roles so I propose that Logis are sidearm only but to balance this assault lose their equipment slot. This would define the two roles no matter how you look at it or dislike it. PS logi since beta, I am amarr proto logi, please discuss this as sensibly as possible so its easier for CCP to sift out the logic and reason from bullsht. Thank you. I don't want to keep seeing HP tanked Logis so this is better: PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low (didn't want 1 Low on any so I gave this a 2...) PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low Assaults keep their equipment, it's mandatory. This has nothing to do with balabce , you have just expressed that you want a logi HP nerf lol. Attributes are what defines a role, not the fact a fit has a bit more HP than the other. So it's ok for Logi to have comparable HP (or more) than an Assault while also having many equipment slots, yep totally makes sense.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:11:00 - [35] - Quote RydogV wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Okay. I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted) Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot) At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go ** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the ** out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended. I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation. Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead Much better compromise. Please. What's the problem with my idea ? Say it like that i could get it better. You know the Secondary only is the worse thing possible. Logi is not supposed to be CQC and secondary are only CQC so...
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 367	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:11:00 - [36] - Quote While we are at it it lets make it so that heavies can't equip light weapons or only scouts can equip sniper rifles. Ooooo better yet lets just make this a Battlefield or Team Fortress clone and not have slots and choices in weapons but just prefit suits. The anti logi idiocy going on in the forums today is ridiculous
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 367	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:15:00 - [37] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: RydogV wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Okay. I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted) Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot) At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go ** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the ** out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended. I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation. Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead Much better compromise. Please. What's the problem with my idea ? Say it like that i could get it better. You know the Secondary only is the worse thing possible. Logi is not supposed to be CQC and secondary are only CQC so... Who said logi's aren't supposed to be CQC or that scouts are only supposed to be snipers or that any role is SUPPOSED to be anything. One of the few things that does set Dust apart at the moment is you can take a suit and fit it to your polaystyle. Some match with certain playstyles than others, but the freedom to do what you want instead of sticking you into a predetermined role is one of the few things we Dusters have going for us and people want to f*ck that up!
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:16:00 - [38] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1423871#post1423871 Read it completely. Like it. And stop complaining without a REAL solution. Prefit (only secondary or other s*it) is bad idea. More powerful assault or changing racial bonus will break the game. Changing ehp is a bad idea. We must NOT change the Logi power. We must change how it is used.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 321	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:19:00 - [39] - Quote The problem is that when there is a problem, people cry nerf instead of balance. As it stands the best idea is to change the assault suit bonuses, not counting the Ammar assault, as the bonuses actually make a great deal of difference. The only issue is it may require all racial assault rifles to be released as these are the main weapons that would benefit from such bonuses because, as they are standard issue weapons, they would be the embodiment of the respective race's martial ideals.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 553	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:24:00 - [40] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: How many assaults would nerf logis under this agreement? That's not an agreement. That's assaults like you whining on the forum so better players don't kill them anymore.

Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:24:00 - [41] - Quote Quote: Who said logi's aren't supposed to be CQC or that scouts are only supposed to be snipers or that any role is SUPPOSED to be anything. One of the few things that does set Dust apart at the moment is you can take a suit and fit it to your polaystyle. Some match with certain playstyles than others, but the freedom to do what you want instead of sticking you into a predetermined role is one of the few things we Dusters have going for us and people want to fck that up! Logi must help his teammate by support. As CQC he's too exposed to do it. I understand what you're saying. and i agree. But it's like if you ask to have a sniper rifle that can Oneshot at close range without aiming it's anarchy. Yes to Freedom but NO to anarchy. Sorry guy but if freedom is getting a suit that is for help teamate and play only alone then no freedom is not good. Yes in Dust there's freedom. But yes there's also predetermined role. Don't be blind open your eyes. You can use everything as you wish but don't ask to be effective if you do sit. A Scouts is used to be effective as Close range OR Long range. It's like that it's predetermined. Logistics is used to help his teamates it's like that it's predetermined. BUT this time he's too much effective as playing lika an assault. So we must make him his role back. In Dust the freedom is not to be every role you want. It's the way you want to do it. I'm sorry you didn't understand that.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 553	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:28:00 - [42] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Clearly people want more definition with roles so I propose that Logis are sidearm only but to balance this assault lose their equipment slot. This would define the two roles no matter how you look at it or dislike it. PS logi since beta, I am amarr proto logi, please discuss this as sensibly as possible so its easier for CCP to sift out the logic and reason from bullsht. Thank you. I don't want to keep seeing HP tanked Logis so this is better: PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low (didn't want 1 Low on any so I gave this a 2...) PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low Assaults keep their equipment, it's mandatory. This has nothing to do with balabce , you have just expressed that you want a logi HP nerf lol. Attributes are what defines a role, not the fact a fit has a bit more HP than the other. So it's ok for Logi to have comparable HP (or more) than an Assault while also having many equipment slots, yep totally makes sense. Yep. It does make sense. Obviously you think that just because you wear an assault suit, everything you look at should die. Get off your high horse.
Alldin Kan MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 719	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:36:00 - [43] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: So it's ok for Logi to have comparable HP (or more) than an Assault while also having many equipment slots, yep totally makes sense. Yep. It does make sense. Obviously you think that just because you wear an assault suit, everything you look at should die. Get off your high horse. Oh you, Assault is to be an offensive player, Logi at this moment is being treated as superior Officer Assault and not strictly support. Want me to tell you the stats on the Balac's Modified Assault CK.0? It's actually inferior to most Logi...
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 873	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:36:00 - [44] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Clearly people want more definition with roles so I propose that Logis are sidearm only but to balance this assault lose their equipment slot. This would define the two roles no matter how you look at it or dislike it. PS logi since beta, I am amarr proto logi, please discuss this as sensibly as possible so its easier for CCP to sift out the logic and reason from bullsht. Thank you. I don't want to keep seeing HP tanked Logis so this is better: PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low (didn't want 1 Low on any so I gave this a 2...) PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low Assaults keep their equipment, it's mandatory. This has nothing to do with balabce , you have just expressed that you want a logi HP nerf lol. Attributes are what defines a role, not the fact a fit has a bit more HP than the other. So it's ok for Logi to have comparable HP (or more) than an Assault while also having many equipment slots, yep totally makes sense. Obviously missed where I stated to balance logis only get a sidearm but assault loses its equipment slot thus defining roles and encouraging teamwork.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 486	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:36:00 - [45] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: RydogV wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Okay. I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted) Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot) At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go ** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the ** out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended. I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation. Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead Much better compromise. Please. What's the problem with my idea ? Say it like that i could get it better. You know the Secondary only is the worse thing possible. Logi is not supposed to be CQC and secondary are only CQC so... I was being sarcastic about the SMG...because the other guy thinks sidearms only is a solution. It isn't. There is no solution because there is no problem. All people need to do is a little bit of math. Considering two players are skilled to level 5 in all categories....a fully tanked Assault Suit and a fully tanked Logi Suit of the same race are only separated by a few AR rounds worth of HP. It is such a stupid argument over a couple a well placed shots. Chances are you are dead because someone got the drop on you...even for a second. It is enough to make the difference between you being dead and you being alive...all else being equal. If someone wants to take a Logi suit and make into an offensive platform then fine, let them. It is a dumb move. The role/race bonuses of the Assault suits are much better geared toward 'slayer' type of play. If they just did a little research then they could find an Assault racial variant that would fit their playstyle better than any Logi suit available. So let them be 'Assault' Logi's until the heart's content. They are only gimping themselves. And gimps are easy to kill, all day long. I'm a Minmater Logi with over 20 million Skill Points. I can build a tanked suit with over 800 HP and Proto AR and I still get dropped like a hot rock all the time. I am an average player. As are most people out there. You are not getting beat by the suit...you're getting beat by the player. People need to accept that there is always someone out there better than you and quit pissing and whining about Logi this and Logi that. No amount of HP is gonna save you.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 873	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:39:00 - [46] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: I'm off to actually play dust now. Don't rage too hard. Im on my phone now inbetween games, the touchpad is so small lol.
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 437	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:40:00 - [47] - Quote Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back :) However, suggesting every equipment slot being filled is better than most of the other suggestions. Great talks about these subjects are months old, they address the balancing for such suggestions like the OP of sidearms only, racial variants, cutting logi modules, etc... and in the end it came down to this: the assaults have less of a specialty bonus - a benefit to being an assault - the scouts need love (CCP has stated as much) and the heavy is coming along slowly. The logi they got right, the other suits need work. We will see what happens in the future.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 873	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:40:00 - [48] - Quote RydogV wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: RydogV wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Okay. I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted) Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot) At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go ** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the ** out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended. I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation. Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead Much better compromise. Please. What's the problem with my idea ? Say it like that i could get it better. You know the Secondary only is the worse thing possible. Logi is not supposed to be CQC and secondary are only CQC so... I was being sarcastic about the SMG...because the other guy thinks sidearms only is a solution. It isn't. There is no solution because there is no problem. All people need to do is a little bit of math. Considering two players are skilled to level 5 in all categories....a fully tanked Assault Suit and a fully tanked Logi Suit of the same race are only separated by a few AR rounds worth of HP. It is such a stupid argument over a couple a well placed shots. Chances are you are dead because someone got the drop on you...even for a second. It is enough to make the difference between you being dead and you being alive...all else being equal. If someone wants to take a Logi suit and make into an offensive platform then fine, let them. It is a dumb move. The role/race bonuses of the Assault suits are much better geared toward 'slayer' type of play. If they just did a little research then they could find an Assault racial variant that would fit their playstyle better than any Logi suit available. So let them be 'Assault' Logi's until the heart's content. They are only gimping themselves. And gimps are easy to kill, all day long. I'm a Minmater Logi with over 20 million Skill Points. I can build a tanked suit with over 800 HP and Proto AR and I still get dropped like a hot rock all the time. I am an average player. As are most people out there. You are not getting beat by the suit...you're getting beat by the player. People need to accept that there is always someone out there better than you and quit pissing and whining about Logi this and Logi that. No amount of HP is gonna save you. That's exactly why we dont see eye to eye about the sidearm only, because your an average player.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 553	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:42:00 - [49] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: So it's ok for Logi to have comparable HP (or more) than an Assault while also having many equipment slots, yep totally makes sense. Yep. It does make sense. Obviously you think that just because you wear an assault suit, everything you look at should die. Get off your high horse. Oh you, Assault is to be an offensive player, Logi at this moment is being treated as superior Officer Assault and not strictly support. Want me to tell you the stats on the Balac's Modified Assault CK.0? It's actually inferior to most Logi... You mean that outdated relic from chromosome? Of course it sucks, it wasn't updated when uprising was released and all the suits got better overall... except scouts.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 487	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:43:00 - [50] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: That's exactly why we dont see eye to eye about the sidearm only, because your an average player. ^This guy. I just want to muss his hair and pinch his cheeks. He's just so cunnin'

Alldin Kan MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 719	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:46:00 - [51] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Obviously missed where I stated to balance logis only get a sidearm but assault loses its equipment slot thus defining roles and encouraging teamwork. Obviously does not understand that most random players hardly use nanohives in pub matches when needed, are not able to stay alive, or even put ammo it in a good location. The lack of equipment means that if my Logi guys sucks, then I'll end up dead soon for lack of ammo (Officer Gear is hard to get you know). Also, all snipers would then have to be Logis.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:46:00 - [52] - Quote Quote: I'm a Minmater Logi with over 20 million Skill Points. I can build a tanked suit with over 900 HP and Proto AR and I still get dropped like a hot rock all the time. I am an average player. As are most people out there. You are not getting beat by the suit...you're getting beat by the player. People need to accept that there is always someone out there better than you and quit pissing and whining about Logi this and Logi that. No amount of HP is gonna save you. You are wrong you can't say there's not any problem with logi. My battle suit is actually. Freedom Mass driver. Viziam scrambler pistol. And 962eHp It's madness. The problem is we do the same than assault but better and we do more. But assualt is not the problem they are fine. The problem is HOW the Logi power is used. It's really often use for himself (Armor plates / Shield extenders / damage mods etcetc) and not for equipements this is a problem. Go check the llink i send before.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 873	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:46:00 - [53] - Quote RydogV wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: That's exactly why we dont see eye to eye about the sidearm only, because your an average player. ^This guy. I just want to muss his hair and pinch his cheeks. He's just so cunnin' seriously you should try using an isjukone assault smg with prof 5, it's amazing.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 39	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:48:00 - [54] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: RydogV wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: That's exactly why we dont see eye to eye about the sidearm only, because your an average player. ^This guy. I just want to muss his hair and pinch his cheeks. He's just so cunnin' seriously you should try using an isjukone assault smg with prof 5, it's amazing. Stop saying sh*t only sidearm is the worse idea i ever saw.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 39	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:49:00 - [55] - Quote Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sht What? ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again Roll So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Asholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. Quote: So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid") Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot) At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Blink Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). Attention BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Cool Like this post make than the Dev see it. Idea It will balance everything. Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf. It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. Blink ) Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.) Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.) Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 873	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:51:00 - [56] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Obviously missed where I stated to balance logis only get a sidearm but assault loses its equipment slot thus defining roles and encouraging teamwork. Obviously does not understand that most random players hardly use nanohives in pub matches when needed, are not able to stay alive, or even put ammo it in a good location. The lack of equipment means that if my Logi guys sucks, then I'll end up dead soon for lack of ammo (Officer Gear is hard to get you know). Also, all snipers would then have to be Logis. I have over 300 officer items from beta, still waiting on something worthwhile to use them for. If the game was balanced in respect to player inability it would be pretty sht wouldn't it. Do you run solo because thats the only time what you stated would even be an issue.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 873	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:52:00 - [57] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: RydogV wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: That's exactly why we dont see eye to eye about the sidearm only, because your an average player. ^This guy. I just want to muss his hair and pinch his cheeks. He's just so cunnin' seriously you should try using an isjukone assault smg with prof 5, it's amazing. Stop saying sh*t only sidearm is the worse idea i ever saw. In afraid you can kiss my arse sunshine, we put ideas across and ccp decides, not you.
Alldin Kan MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 720	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:55:00 - [58] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Obviously missed where I stated to balance logis only get a sidearm but assault loses its equipment slot thus defining roles and encouraging teamwork. Obviously does not understand that most random players hardly use nanohives in pub matches when needed, are not able to stay alive, or even put ammo it in a good location. The lack of equipment means that if my Logi guys sucks, then I'll end up dead soon for lack of ammo (Officer Gear is hard to get you know). Also, all snipers would then have to be Logis. I have over 300 officer items from beta, still waiting on something worthwhile to use them for. If the game was balanced in respect to player inability it would be pretty sht wouldn't it. Do you run solo because thats the only time what you stated would even be an issue. Yes, I do. Squads usually slow me down and WP gain is less for me, W/L ratio is not important to me as long as I get 40+ kill on Skirmish + solo OBs on a regular basis. Aside from that, there's still many players that also don't go in squads.
Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 437	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:55:00 - [59] - Quote The simple fix is to make the suits tighter on PG/CPU and then give them a role bonus of -50% PG/CPU on equipment. Logis who are well fit focusing on support won't change (or may even be able to fit a little better equipment) but people with maxed out complex mods and no equipment will find themselves forced to use some enhanced mods (or lower tier weapons) to make it all fit. This is the most EVE-like way to address the situation IMO.
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 437	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:57:00 - [60] - Quote Is the fact of better starting physical stats being completely ignored here? Better shield recharge, better move, smaller hitbox, better hp stats, with equal module slots - means that every skill bonus enhances the assaults far beyond what a logi can achieve. A logi is a variable suit but in most cases functions better as a defensive suit, however dropping all equipment you could pump yourself up in modules but still not as good as an assault. - Especially now that the bonuses to the cal logi have changed.



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