Make more logi threads so we can fill the first page with them.

sidearm only should be some light frame variant

If you subtract 1 high and 1 low module for the two equipment modules that logi gets over assault (and adjust the cpu/pg accordingly for the reduction), then logi would be in a good place in my ignorant mind.

The high module count lets logis choose which 3 of the 5 stats that it wants to beat assaults in.



Also in the same breath, you can make the argument that assaults steal logi roles by having an equipment slot and between a group of assaults, logis may find limited work, so if you are willing to do that to logis, would you take away the equipment slot from assaults?



How many assaults would nerf logis under this agreement?

All we need are better bonuses for assaults and equipment bonuses for logis.

A reload bonus for assaults and the Gallente logi bonus becoming the general logi bonus would be so simple and amicable.

So?
General Assault 2% extra damage per level
Gallente Dunno, someone else can think of this...
Amarr Same Bounus as is currently
Caldari +5% Range on Rail and Missle Weaponry
Minmatar +5% per level clip size on projectile weapons

General Logi 5% reduction to Equipment PG and CPU usage per level
Gallente Scanner Bonus
Amarr Uplink Bonus
Caldari Nanohive/Injector Bonus
Minmatar RE/Reptool Bonus

Why not just a damage De-buff 10% less damage dealt by Logis?

I'm against losing my Assault MD because butthurt slayers fear me topping leader boards with it.

Sidearm? Really? So you want me to defend my self and my +160k fully equiped dropsuit with a sidearm?! Think again

Sidearm? Really? So you want me to defend my self and my +160k fully equiped dropsuit with a sidearm?! Think again

Lol at defending yourself at over 20 meters with a SMG. The side-arm would only put Logis in CQC situations, and they shouldn't be in those situations in the first place.

Look the Logi isn't a heal slave. I thought we've been over this crappy idea countless times, and it was shot-down every single time.

Okay...

You're right

I'm wrong

...you win.

Get him a cookie.

I don't want to keep seeing HP tanked Logis so this is better:

PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low
PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low (didn't want 1 Low on any so I gave this a 2...)
PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low
PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low

Assaults keep their equipment, it's mandatory.

Okay.
I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.

So that's pretty simple.

EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted)

Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot)

At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go **** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the **** out.





With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything.
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended.

So it's ok for Logi to have comparable HP (or more) than an Assault while also having many equipment slots, yep totally makes sense.

Don't rage too hard.

I was being sarcastic about the SMG...because the other guy thinks sidearms only is a solution. It isn't. There is no solution because there is no problem.

All people need to do is a little bit of math. Considering two players are skilled to level 5 in all categories....a fully tanked Assault Suit and a fully tanked Logi Suit of the same race are only separated by a few AR rounds worth of HP. It is such a stupid argument over a couple a well placed shots.

Chances are you are dead because someone got the drop on you...even for a second. It is enough to make the difference between you being dead and you being alive...all else being equal. If someone wants to take a Logi suit and make into an offensive platform then fine, let them. It is a dumb move. The role/race bonuses of the Assault suits are much better geared toward 'slayer' type of play. If they just did a little research then they could find an Assault racial variant that would fit their playstyle better than any Logi suit available.

So let them be 'Assault' Logi's until the heart's content. They are only gimping themselves. And gimps are easy to kill, all day long.

I'm a Minmater Logi with over 20 million Skill Points. I can build a tanked suit with over 800 HP and Proto AR and I still get dropped like a hot rock all the time. I am an average player. As are most people out there. You are not getting beat by the suit...you're getting beat by the player. People need to accept that there is always someone out there better than you and quit pissing and whining about Logi this and Logi that. No amount of HP is gonna save you.

^This guy. I just want to muss his hair and pinch his cheeks. He's just so cunnin'

Obviously does not understand that most random players hardly use nanohives in pub matches when needed, are not able to stay alive, or even put ammo it in a good location. The lack of equipment means that if my Logi guys sucks, then I'll end up dead soon for lack of ammo (Officer Gear is hard to get you know). Also, all snipers would then have to be Logis.

Stop saying sh*t only sidearm is the worse idea i ever saw.

Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t What? ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again Roll
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.

Quote:
So that's pretty simple.


EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")

Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)

At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.





With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Blink
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). Attention
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Cool

Like this post make than the Dev see it. Idea
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. Blink )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....

Compact hives are easy to fit.

Thanks !
But DON'T forget they also must fit AT LEAST 20% of their PG/CPU in equipement slot !!!!!!
20% of their PG/CPU will be locked and will be used ONLY in the equipement slot !!!
So they'll can't fit 3compact hives it will WONT work !!


In fact the center of my idea is not the obligatory equipement.
It's the 20% of PG/CPU locked in equipements slot.

Hey Brotha'...I dig your passion. I am a 'True Logi' through and through so it's no skin off my nose. If your idea gets picked up then I will be happy for you.

Personally, I see it as low priority and would rather have the dev resources focus on the ump-teen other issues that need to be fixed first. But keep hollering man...maybe, just maybe they will listen

Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t What? ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again Roll
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.

Quote:
So that's pretty simple.


EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")

Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)

At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.





With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Blink
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). Attention
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Cool

Like this post make than the Dev see it. Idea
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. Blink )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....

No.

Thanks again i'm glad to see that some people still "intelligent" in this forum
Just add a little change the 20% will not be in the Max PG/CPU but on the PG/CPU that is used.
Go check my thread in "General discussions" i change it.

In fact it just change that :
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

To that :
At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

So logi could play ONLY with SMG ishukone ? that's.... pretty restrictive don't you think :/

Even restricting logis to only 3 weapons is insane. Mordecai's idea wouldn't affect the logis that no one complains about, and would make life harder for the equipment spammers and people that abuse the Logi suit. His idea would stop people from complaining about logis. It would allow the real logibros to be logibros, while defining the role more. All without any real nerf. I fully support his idea.

Even restricting logis to only 3 weapons is insane. Mordecai's idea wouldn't affect the logis that no one complains about, and would make life harder for the equipment spammers and people that abuse the Logi suit. His idea would stop people from complaining about logis. It would allow the real logibros to be logibros, while defining the role more. All without any real nerf. I fully support his idea.

I too can do just fine with an SMG, I've been using just an SMG all day.
Im going to be honest here, I like Plasma Cannons and ScRs too much. I won't stand to let them get taken away from me because Assaults are crying for a nerf.

Look the thing is; med frames dont sacrifice anything in exchange for their preformance.
Light frames sacrifice HP for speed an dampening.Heavies sacrifice Speed and dampening for Heavy weapons and HP. What do Logis sacrifice? dont get me wrong i use logi on regular basis...but what do they sacrifice? Nothing.

High amount of slots and PG/CPU fix any downfall the logis might have. ME , being an assault and logi wouldnt mind sidearm only logis and equipless assaults:

GÖª Scouts: more speed and dampening,EQ slots at the exchange of HP
GÖª Heavies: Heavy weapon and HP in exchange for Speed and Dampening
GÖª Assaults: Good HP and mobility at the exchange of not having an equipment slot.
GÖª Logis: Good HP and adaptability , also multiple equipment slot at the expense of only being able to equip sidearms.

This way,everybody has a weakness. Im not saying this IS the way to go,just saying i see how it would balance the game.

@ Mordecai Sanguine:
Breach scrambler pistol + burst S.P
Assault Sp + burst Sp

Both combinations have been effective in various situations...

It's not balanced.
Assault don't really give a f*ck about their slot.
In combat it will not changing anything for him.
For him the changement will be secondary.

For the logi who lose 90% of his firepower it will be the end.
It will became an heal slave who can't survive without other people.
While assault can still do his job.

Your idea sound like a nerf to logis, real and fake, with a "nerf" to assaults so they are "balanced". A light weapon slot is worth a lot more than an equipment slot.

Even.
Assault don't give a f*ck about their logi.
In fact Logi is yellow and always shot in first place.
What you want is the Logi as a human shield for assault.

Assault will NEVER protect his Logi and even if he tried the logi will be shot first.

It will encourage teamwork ONLY for the Logi because without he can't even survive.....
For the assault...Meh who cares ?

I know it would encourage teamwork. But that isn't the issue, there is enough teamwork as is. The issue is that people are abusing logistics suits to get stats similar to assault suits. Mordecai's idea would greatly help prevent that.

How many assaults would care that their Equipment slot was gone with all the free Logi kills they would be getting? Because I can tell you pretty much every Logi would care that they don't have a light weapon anymore. Your idea is heavily in favor of assaults, by a wide margin.

I know you have a good intention but stop having ideas about "weapon restriction".
Logis are not slave or human shield or free kill for assault don't forget it....

I doesn't change the fact than Logi will not survive to help the assault.
So anyway the logi will be dead and couldn't help the assault.

Even if one day the assault and the Logi play as teamwork as you think (It will be NEVER).
The logi is always shot in first and will never survive with secondary weapon or will be about to die.
So he's dead and can't help OR he needs help so he will need a Logi to help the logi

I manage to lay nano hives, uplinks and rep players while still getting my fair share of kills. The problem isn't the suit, its the people in them. Nerf the suit? No, that won't fix anything. Your idea is just ridiculous.

Do you really want every logi to run around with Ishukone SMGs? Those things are better than ARs.

I wasn't serious when i said to stop saying ideas huh just a joke. (but the ) didn't work .

I'm 14 Millions SP.
Always been a Logistics since 9 months.
In chromosome i was with proto equipments but a simple Burst assault rifle..... (then mass driver).
Always here to help don't matter how much firepower i have.

So in fact i'm this kind of player you want with your idea of only "sidearms".
But i'm honest with you there's really too less people like "us" to be a viable choice.
Be honest how much people do you think will stay Logistics after that ? 5-10% ?
1 Logi for 10 players ?
It will be making Logi like Heavy.
Really Rare 1 every 10 soldier.

Well if they restrict the CPU-PG use wouldnt it be AS BAD as just using sidearms?

I mean i do know i WOuld prefer to run 2 scrambler pistols and 900 HP Logi with scanner and nanos,than a 550 HP logi at proto level with full equipment and GEK because i have a CPU-RESTRICTION......just saying ...

How exactly would this restriction work?

1-Any player with more than 6 months i Dust can afford paying for this on daily basis. I do really well and i only use ADV suits.
2-The least a Proto Logi has is 3 High power slots. THats +217.8 Shields. Module Fixable
3-The Least any Proto Logi has is 4 low slots. With the advantage of not having to use a REPAIR module to repair their armor, ANY Logi can , with simply 4 enh armor plates, HAve AT LEAST +484 Armor. Module fixable.
4-Logi shield delay is , in MANY cases,better than commandos,Heavies,Most assaults.
5-The Minmatar logi runs faster than ALL assault suits except the minmatar assault. My Amarr Logi (The Slowest of them all) Runs at 7.55 with 1 complex Kin cat. Module Fixable.
6-They have the most slots and CPU-PG, combat wise, the logi is the best suit for the ability to adapt itself to any sitaution and excel where other suits should excel.
7-Logis are targeted first because thay are the most powerful suit,not because they are yellow. If Logis were balanced EVERYBODY would shoot a scout or a Heavy first.

At this point, wouldn't it be easier just to buff assault bonuses? Minmatar and Amarr racials are spot on, Gallente could use more PG, Caldari could use more CPU and bonuses for all the assault suits that help their primary tanking type like plate efficacy for amarr, movement penalty/fitting reduction for Gallente, and maybe shield recharge delay for Minmatar. This whole "nerf this because this sucks" approach doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "nerf every other weapon because the plasma cannon sucks."

As long as shield regulators get a buff.

No, your bonuses would preclude alternative equipment, you have locked logis into a specific item. That is unacceptable. Bonuses should be universal in their scope. Gallente: fit, Amarr: repair, Min: hack, Caldari: shields. This is also a comment on the current bonuses. Requireing a suit to use a specific weapon, or module in order to be effective is not a good bonus in my opinion.

Gall, ok. Min, ok, but the other bonuses could change - same for the assaults.

AGreed,but what kind of buff do you propose, one that DENIES Logis from being better scouts than scouts? Because,no offense, you people are good at bashing our ideas but dont come out with good ideas of your own.

So tell be bro Fizzer, what to do so a scout can never be outdone in its job by a logi.

Enlighten me.

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So what!? So what if some people are using Logi suits as assault suits, heavies as snipers, or minmatar assaults as beefier scouts? This is not a case like the caldari logi/tac ar that was obviously superior to everything else and needed nerfing. I think I am a proper logi bro, I carry advanced equipment at the minimum, but I also carry at least an adv weapon if not proto and I use proto shield and armor so I can survive and yes even kill the enemy. However, I'm not going to begrudge anyone their choice of using a logi suit however they choose. I personally find caldari logi's that are tanked and running around with shotguns trying to get everyone in CQC annoying, but they are still certainly killable.

To me these balance logi threads reeks of people trying to force their preconceived notions of what each suit should be onto everyone else.

LOL you guys may be debating, I'm ranting. I'm still even trying to see where this logi problem stems from. Have I missed it where everyone on the field is a logi or something? There are still plenty of assaults, scouts, and fewer but still there are heavies.

All these threads seem like they began with the notion that a logi should not be able to defeat any other suit 1 on 1 and that they must only be able to heal and generally play ***** to all the other suits and I'm sorry but that is just BS and is not the "intended" role for the suit.

He's right. Everyone is gathering into a big circle jerk, talking about what something else (they probably don't play as) should and shouldn't do compared to what their role. Instead of finding ways to fix a role they're experienced with that may be under performing, they'd rather drag something else down to their standards while riding on an issue that was resolved months ago. It's the same **** week in and week out, someone cries about logistics, doesn't prove that the suit is better through an irrefutable source like the fitting creator and everyone gathers up with their pitch forks and torches, throwing out the same "suggestions"they threw out a week ago, ranging from sidearms to damage penalties.

In order to balance the full complex rack of combat mods, logis need to be sidearm only? Then it is balanced?


Well actually, the assaults CAN reach the EXACTLY same balance:
1) Fit full racks of complex HIs and LOs.
2) Leave EQs empty.
2) Fit a sidearm only.


THERE you have identical version of 'fixed' logi suit. Would you like play that? Would you?

Normally I agree with much of what tech says, but the sidearm only idea is crazy. And seriously, before you mention for the 18th time that you only run your SMG and do great, don't. It's like all those troll posts regynum makes where he says "well I just went 38/1 with that weapon, it works fine" Yeah, it works fine if you are f@cking regynum with proto everything else, maxed out core skills, and exceptional gun game. The example is pointless because it doesn't account for 99% of people who don't have an ishukone at level 5 proficency. Same with checkmate dual wielding his proto scrambler pistol and core flaylocks. How many have that option, and how are you going to do that when you only have the ONE sidearm slot, can't dual wield there.

Let's take the average noob, and set him loose out of the academy with his militia SMG and no proficiency. He is going to get straight up murdered every 5 seconds.

Just go with the required equipment fitting, simple, doesn't gimp people without maxed out sidearms. Done.

Normally I agree with much of what tech says, but the sidearm only idea is crazy. And seriously, before you mention for the 18th time that you only run your SMG and do great, don't. It's like all those troll posts regynum makes where he says "well I just went 38/1 with that weapon, it works fine" Yeah, it works fine if you are f@cking regynum with proto everything else, maxed out core skills, and exceptional gun game. The example is pointless because it doesn't account for 99% of people who don't have an ishukone at level 5 proficency. Same with checkmate dual wielding his proto scrambler pistol and core flaylocks. How many have that option, and how are you going to do that when you only have the ONE sidearm slot, can't dual wield there.

Let's take the average noob, and set him loose out of the academy with his militia SMG and no proficiency. He is going to get straight up murdered every 5 seconds.

Just go with the required equipment fitting, simple, doesn't gimp people without maxed out sidearms. Done.

You do have a point there with the need to get med frames up to 3. Been a while so I don't remember how much SP it takes to get there, but I'd still say my example stands because even your slightly more "advanced" noob with maybe 3 mil SP won't be able to field a good enough sidearm to be viable. It's a little too much of us to expect of them to plan so far ahead to max out and be good with a sidearm before they go logi.
In fact, an unintended consequence of going sidearm only would probably be a dramatic drop off in people who decide to play this class. Maybe some posters in this thread thinks that's great, I don't think I do. Think about it, you're a new player. You are just getting brutalized almost every battle. Most of us have been there - heck, I'm pretty sure there was no academy in open beta when I joined. Going 2/8 with 2-300 WP is progress. What lunatic would think to themselves, hmm, I really enjoy getting protostomped, but I think I'm not quite defenseless enough in my starter fit with an AR. I know! I'm going to start using just a sidearm!
Nobody in their right mind is going to go into logistics.

Also, to tech's point about putting this out because people are offering worse alternatives, that too is a valid point and I've tried it myself with some of the sillier uplink nerfing threads. Thing is, in this case, I sorta consider this the worse alternative. It works great for you because you do it anyway, but they're going to have to pull my LR out of my cold (and gold) dead Amarrian hands before I would go along with this (especially with my new templar LR BPO!). I think I probably would give up a high slot to keep my light weapon if I were forced to make that choice, which I should not have to do.

Sometimes I leave a high slot open anyway or put a nearly useless basic shield extender in it. Maybe it's b/c I don't have the proto logi yet, but I still fail to see how people can legitimately cram full armor tanking, a complex damage mod, fill all their equip slots with ADV or better gear, AND a high end weapon and still have any CPU/PG left to add a lot shield tanking too. Maybe there are more people running around with just sidearms than I think. I doubt it though, and bet that if you simply made it so that all the equip slots needed to be filled, even if people did just stick low-end nanohives in there, it would still take up enough CPU/PG that everyone would need to make sufficient sacrifices to make the assault suit more attractive to pure assault-type players. I just don't see how you could not make an equivalent (key term) assault suit that's better for pure killing than the same level/racial logi.

I can agree to this. That Gallente Logi bonus of 5% cpu/pg per level is seriously necessary. Especially on the Amarr suit!

Combat mods as if plates, extenders, regulators, red cans. And yes damage mods as well.
Anything that makes a suit killer.

As in original post there is only one point (logis to sidearm only), I actually was criticizing just that idea.
Sidearm seems to be the key of this thread.


My (I dare to sa good) solution on Logi balance problem can be read here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1425038#post1425038

1st off the smg maxed is just as deadly as the AR with distance being its only draw back. I don't think weapon type matters as much as ehp and mobility do... slow a logi down, give us less hp, increase cpu/pg need for all equipment.

if you increase pg/cpu of equipment the assault has to choose between a tank and high dmg output or equipment.
the logi has to decide between running anything in their equipment slots or beefing up their tank/mobility which at max should still be less than an assault suits at max tank/mobility

the only way to balance the logistics suit is to make it inherently less effective at performing any other role but triage/support.

Do I need to say it again? Alright then... I can't believe I have to say it again: Logistics are the kings of versatility. We need our Light Weapons to fill that role.

We can use a Plasma Cannon to take out enemy defenses from far away. We can get a shotgun and melt faces. We can get an AR and kill everything, regardless of range, and our equipment is just the icing on the cake.

Example of how versatile we are: Mass Driver, Flaylock Pistol, Remote Explosives, Proximity Explosives. There's a demolition fitting.

Assault Rifle, Repair Tool, Nanite Injector, Nanohive. There's a Combat Medic fitting.

Shotgun, Remote Explosive, Active Scanner, Nanohive. There's a survivalist/hunter/trapper type fitting.

The list goes on and on. In EVE Online, the Logistics Dropships have ALWAYS been very combat efficient. That's a successful MMO that OUR game is based on, and it's been the same way for 10+ years. It won't change. We're supposed to hit hard and take the damage. That's why we're slower than Assaults and Faster than heavies, at the cost of guns. We're supposed to hit like a truck, and we're supposed to be built like one too. We're just strong, not invincible.

Besides, what weapon is able to do effective damage at the same range as an AR? None. An SMG can't do good damage at HALF the range of an AR. If a Logistics was caught in a firefight with just a sidearm, we'd be dead.

Do I need to say it again? Alright then... I can't believe I have to say it again: Logistics are the kings of versatility. We need our Light Weapons to fill that role.

We can use a Plasma Cannon to take out enemy defenses from far away. We can get a shotgun and melt faces. We can get an AR and kill everything, regardless of range, and our equipment is just the icing on the cake.

Example of how versatile we are: Mass Driver, Flaylock Pistol, Remote Explosives, Proximity Explosives. There's a demolition fitting.

Assault Rifle, Repair Tool, Nanite Injector, Nanohive. There's a Combat Medic fitting.

Shotgun, Remote Explosive, Active Scanner, Nanohive. There's a survivalist/hunter/trapper type fitting.

The list goes on and on. In EVE Online, the Logistics Dropships have ALWAYS been very combat efficient. That's a successful MMO that OUR game is based on, and it's been the same way for 10+ years. It won't change. We're supposed to hit hard and take the damage. That's why we're slower than Assaults and Faster than heavies, at the cost of guns. We're supposed to hit like a truck, and we're supposed to be built like one too. We're just strong, not invincible.

Besides, what weapon is able to do effective damage at the same range as an AR? None. An SMG can't do good damage at HALF the range of an AR. If a Logistics was caught in a firefight with just a sidearm, we'd be dead.

The only thing I would remove from the logi is the grenade slot. They're fine as they are for now, but you know that logi got some sort of core nade on him and enough hp to cook it right in front of you. I had another idea to change the grenade button to a team request button (need ammo, need repair, need ride) and have the grenade part of the weapon wheel. I want it to be a conscious decision to use a grenade instead of a natural instinct during a firefight.

Golf Clap....


Let cry babies, idiots and D. Bags try and "fix" logistics suits... scratch that let scouts fix logistics suits and logistics suits fix scouts. Scouts would get my vote for 10m/s speed(BASE), 2 more racial suits(no brainer), an extra equipment slot, and maybe just maybe a built in shoulder weapon+cloaking device. (I want predators on the battle field)