All we need are better bonuses for assaults and equipment bonuses for logis.

A reload bonus for assaults and the Gallente logi bonus becoming the general logi bonus would be so simple and amicable.

SCouts need CQ damage/Buffed profile dampening/Hacking speed/ bonuses....

I can agree to this. That Gallente Logi bonus of 5% cpu/pg per level is seriously necessary. Especially on the Amarr suit!

I don't recall mentioning once today or ever anything to do with people racking up damage mods.

Combat mods as if plates, extenders, regulators, red cans. And yes damage mods as well.
Anything that makes a suit killer.

Cool, this thread is old now, cosgar is dealing with all this pretty much, I WAS just proposing a small nerf to avoid an inevitable big one I'm worried is coming. Do you have any proposals or are you just going to criticise.

As in original post there is only one point (logis to sidearm only), I actually was criticizing just that idea.
Sidearm seems to be the key of this thread.


My (I dare to sa good) solution on Logi balance problem can be read here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1425038#post1425038

The balance would be assault loses its equipment making both more dependant on eachother, defining both roles better and encouraging team work, noone likes this though so people will whine forever about logi hp and fake logis.

Clearly people want more definition with roles so I propose that Logis are sidearm only but to balance this assault lose their equipment slot.

This would define the two roles no matter how you look at it or dislike it.

PS logi since beta, I am amarr proto logi, please discuss this as sensibly as possible so its easier for CCP to sift out the logic and reason from bullsht.

Thank you.

1st off the smg maxed is just as deadly as the AR with distance being its only draw back. I don't think weapon type matters as much as ehp and mobility do... slow a logi down, give us less hp, increase cpu/pg need for all equipment.

if you increase pg/cpu of equipment the assault has to choose between a tank and high dmg output or equipment.
the logi has to decide between running anything in their equipment slots or beefing up their tank/mobility which at max should still be less than an assault suits at max tank/mobility

the only way to balance the logistics suit is to make it inherently less effective at performing any other role but triage/support.

Do I need to say it again? Alright then... I can't believe I have to say it again: Logistics are the kings of versatility. We need our Light Weapons to fill that role.

We can use a Plasma Cannon to take out enemy defenses from far away. We can get a shotgun and melt faces. We can get an AR and kill everything, regardless of range, and our equipment is just the icing on the cake.

Example of how versatile we are: Mass Driver, Flaylock Pistol, Remote Explosives, Proximity Explosives. There's a demolition fitting.

Assault Rifle, Repair Tool, Nanite Injector, Nanohive. There's a Combat Medic fitting.

Shotgun, Remote Explosive, Active Scanner, Nanohive. There's a survivalist/hunter/trapper type fitting.

The list goes on and on. In EVE Online, the Logistics Dropships have ALWAYS been very combat efficient. That's a successful MMO that OUR game is based on, and it's been the same way for 10+ years. It won't change. We're supposed to hit hard and take the damage. That's why we're slower than Assaults and Faster than heavies, at the cost of guns. We're supposed to hit like a truck, and we're supposed to be built like one too. We're just strong, not invincible.

Besides, what weapon is able to do effective damage at the same range as an AR? None. An SMG can't do good damage at HALF the range of an AR. If a Logistics was caught in a firefight with just a sidearm, we'd be dead.

Do I need to say it again? Alright then... I can't believe I have to say it again: Logistics are the kings of versatility. We need our Light Weapons to fill that role.

We can use a Plasma Cannon to take out enemy defenses from far away. We can get a shotgun and melt faces. We can get an AR and kill everything, regardless of range, and our equipment is just the icing on the cake.

Example of how versatile we are: Mass Driver, Flaylock Pistol, Remote Explosives, Proximity Explosives. There's a demolition fitting.

Assault Rifle, Repair Tool, Nanite Injector, Nanohive. There's a Combat Medic fitting.

Shotgun, Remote Explosive, Active Scanner, Nanohive. There's a survivalist/hunter/trapper type fitting.

The list goes on and on. In EVE Online, the Logistics Dropships have ALWAYS been very combat efficient. That's a successful MMO that OUR game is based on, and it's been the same way for 10+ years. It won't change. We're supposed to hit hard and take the damage. That's why we're slower than Assaults and Faster than heavies, at the cost of guns. We're supposed to hit like a truck, and we're supposed to be built like one too. We're just strong, not invincible.

Besides, what weapon is able to do effective damage at the same range as an AR? None. An SMG can't do good damage at HALF the range of an AR. If a Logistics was caught in a firefight with just a sidearm, we'd be dead.

OK so what's your idea? What have you in mind to 'balance' us, I'd like us to stay as we are but seeing all the qq and logi nerf threads has got me worried so I'm looking for alternatives to the endless HP and slot nerf crap, if that rubbish goes through we will lose that versatility.

Do I need to say it again? Alright then... I can't believe I have to say it again: Logistics are the kings of versatility. We need our Light Weapons to fill that role.

We can use a Plasma Cannon to take out enemy defenses from far away. We can get a shotgun and melt faces. We can get an AR and kill everything, regardless of range, and our equipment is just the icing on the cake.

Example of how versatile we are: Mass Driver, Flaylock Pistol, Remote Explosives, Proximity Explosives. There's a demolition fitting.

Assault Rifle, Repair Tool, Nanite Injector, Nanohive. There's a Combat Medic fitting.

Shotgun, Remote Explosive, Active Scanner, Nanohive. There's a survivalist/hunter/trapper type fitting.

The list goes on and on. In EVE Online, the Logistics Dropships have ALWAYS been very combat efficient. That's a successful MMO that OUR game is based on, and it's been the same way for 10+ years. It won't change. We're supposed to hit hard and take the damage. That's why we're slower than Assaults and Faster than heavies, at the cost of guns. We're supposed to hit like a truck, and we're supposed to be built like one too. We're just strong, not invincible.

Besides, what weapon is able to do effective damage at the same range as an AR? None. An SMG can't do good damage at HALF the range of an AR. If a Logistics was caught in a firefight with just a sidearm, we'd be dead.

There is no fix, because it isn't broke. Anyone who says it is broke hasn't played with Logistics, they're only KDR [people] that are looking to be the almighty-assault. They must be playing CoD or whatever game has a useless support class, because they're obviously confused. Guys, make a Logi-Specific character. You'll see that we're already pretty balanced. Once the first gun runs out, we're dead. That's just how it is.

all I run are logistics suits... this is why I know we are too capable...I just made a thread in feedback about why should I use anything but the logi suit?
the answer is I shouldn't because every other suit is like giving yourself a nerf.

If all you run are logistics suits, how would you know there's a balancing issue if there was one?

your point is the problem... a logi shouldn't be so versatile they should be king of their role only... triage/support...let the other suits do what you've listed better.

I'd like to point out that the suit is not called "Triage" or "Support". It's called Logistics. That doesn't really translate to Triage. If anything, it translates to mechanic, engineer, technician, etc.

In EVE, for example, a Logistics suit can run Remote Repair, Stasis Webifier, and more. They didn't really HAVE to fit only a Remote Repairer, but if they only wanted to fit Medic support gear (A hard thing to do in that game), they could.

Okay.
I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.

So that's pretty simple.

EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted)

Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot)

At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go **** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the **** out.





With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything.
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended.

I'd like to point out that the suit is not called "Triage" or "Medic". It's called Logistics. That doesn't really translate to Triage. If anything, it translates to mechanic, engineer, technician, etc.

In EVE, for example, a Logistics suit can run Remote Repair, Stasis Webifier, and more. They didn't really HAVE to fit only a Remote Repairer, but if they only wanted to fit Medic support gear (A hard thing to do in that game), they could.