Im going to be honest now, I think you must not be that good a player, and you cant tell people to stop voicing their opinion, you are not ccp.

Do you really want every logi to run around with Ishukone SMGs? Those things are better than ARs.

Do you really want every logi to run around with Ishukone SMGs? Those things are better than ARs.

Yes and I do exactly the same with a sidearm so no it's not ridiculous.

I wasn't serious when i said to stop saying ideas huh just a joke. (but the ) didn't work .

I'm 14 Millions SP.
Always been a Logistics since 9 months.
In chromosome i was with proto equipments but a simple Burst assault rifle..... (then mass driver).
Always here to help don't matter how much firepower i have.

So in fact i'm this kind of player you want with your idea of only "sidearms".
But i'm honest with you there's really too less people like "us" to be a viable choice.
Be honest how much people do you think will stay Logistics after that ? 5-10% ?
1 Logi for 10 players ?
It will be making Logi like Heavy.
Really Rare 1 every 10 soldier.

Bro. Logi is my main suit.
Im an Amarr logi 1st
I use Dual Scrambler Pistols and mantain my 3 K-D ratio pretty nicely.
When i get pwnd , i just put on a Gek and Be OP mode.

Im not talking out of my a** here.
I know the advantage i have while wearing my Logi suit. All the advantages none of the disadvantages.If i dont like something about the suit, pling! Module and its fixed.
Its so adaptable that i can Run as a scout, with lower profile dampening and 600 HP.
Or tank (At ADV level) all the way up to 900HP for 35k ISK. Or i can stack Damage mods (3) and Armor tank for 680 HP and a Lot of firepower...etc..
Logis at proto level outlast heavies,have more firepower than assaults,can run faster than scouts,etc///

Every suit needs a downfall.

1)Logis DONT have disadvantages
2)The only disadvantage an Assault has; Its that its not a Logi....

''Assaults run out of ammo very quick, they need uplinks, revives and healing, I can assure you that you are wrong.''
Yeah,thats what the logi will be there for...

Do you really want every logi to run around with Ishukone SMGs? Those things are better than ARs.

With Mordecai's suggestion. Logis would have a disadvantage. Nobody cares if you can get a 3 kdr, most people wouldn't be able to get more that 1-2 kills a match if they were restricted to sidearms, much less get a 3.0 kdr. With your and Tech's idea, logis would be used because someone has to be an equipment slave in the squad, not because someone wants to help the team.

Bro. Logi is my main suit.
Im an Amarr logi 1st
I use Dual Scrambler Pistols and mantain my 3 K-D ratio pretty nicely.
When i get pwnd , i just put on a Gek and Be OP mode.

Im not talking out of my a** here.
I know the advantage i have while wearing my Logi suit. All the advantages none of the disadvantages.If i dont like something about the suit, pling! Module and its fixed.
Its so adaptable that i can Run as a scout, with lower profile dampening and 600 HP.
Or tank (At ADV level) all the way up to 900HP for 35k ISK. Or i can stack Damage mods (3) and Armor tank for 680 HP and a Lot of firepower...etc..
Logis at proto level outlast heavies,have more firepower than assaults,can run faster than scouts,etc///

Every suit needs a downfall.

1)Logis DONT have disadvantages
2)The only disadvantage an Assault has; Its that its not a Logi....

''Assaults run out of ammo very quick, they need uplinks, revives and healing, I can assure you that you are wrong.''
Yeah,thats what the logi will be there for...

If they are restricted to use their Pg/CPU as i said in Equipements it will be balanced.
Everybody have a disadvantages ONLY when they got advantages don't you think ?
Anyway restrict Logis weapon will nerf real logi AND the logi who set the problem.
So....too much "collateral damage" don't you think ?

On the otherhand sorry if was...bad with you when i answer you.
It wasn't the purpose.
But dude be honest when you spend 9 months about playing something you don't want to be fuc*ed up like this.
You're good with 2 scrambler ?
Good i'm really good with only one.
But when you will be with only one pistol.
Reloading everytime.
Out of ammo evry 2 minutes.
Consume all the hives for yourself because secondary are low capacity you will see.

M twiggz you are entitled to assume bull sht, smg rapes and I'm not proposing a nerf, I'm proposing balance but obviously scrubs like you would call it a nerf.

I'll go through it again, logi has sidearm only but assault loses its equipment elite thus making teamwork more important, it's really that simple and I can't make it any simpler lol

Dont get mad at me bro, i did not create the thread.

Im just saying , OVERALL, Logis need balance. They have no disadvantages.
Even if is this idea , or something else, they CANNOT stay as they are...thats all. :3

Extra note: I dont see ANYTHING bad whith what you say.a good logi would be priceless for any team,if they became rare and still abl to get kills, just saying; Instead of 6 men Gall/Minma Logis proto squads with duvolles and scanners....

That's the whole point of the flexibility of the logi suit. Of course, making those same changes to the other suits should outdo them on the logi. Adding shields or armor to either an assault or heavy should overmatch adding the same amount to the logi. Adding damage is the same all around. Scouts are faster at base level, so adding speed to a scout should make it faster than adding the same speed to the logi. The logi is supposed to be the adaptable suit. It just shouldn't do any other specialty as well as the specialized suits.

Well if they restrict the CPU-PG use wouldnt it be AS BAD as just using sidearms?

I mean i do know i WOuld prefer to run 2 scrambler pistols and 900 HP Logi with scanner and nanos,than a 550 HP logi at proto level with full equipment and GEK because i have a CPU-RESTRICTION......just saying ...

How exactly would this restriction work?

Well if they restrict the CPU-PG use wouldnt it be AS BAD as just using sidearms?

I mean i do know i WOuld prefer to run 2 scrambler pistols and 900 HP Logi with scanner and nanos,than a 550 HP logi at proto level with full equipment and GEK because i have a CPU-RESTRICTION......just saying ...

How exactly would this restriction work?

Well i'm gonna make a list about Logi disadvantages. :


1-Price an well fitted Logi is about 140.000 ISK.
All logi suits cost and equipement cost a lot.
Really hard to make some "rentable" suit.
In proto it's almost impossible.

Is weakier in :
2-Shield.
3-Armor.
4-Shield delay.
5-Slower.
6-Making it not having a big disadvantage but little everywhere making it in overall weakier.

7-He's yellow and always targeted first because the ennemy know his power for his teamate if alive.

1-Any player with more than 6 months i Dust can afford paying for this on daily basis. I do really well and i only use ADV suits.
2-The least a Proto Logi has is 3 High power slots. THats +217.8 Shields. Module Fixable
3-The Least any Proto Logi has is 4 low slots. With the advantage of not having to use a REPAIR module to repair their armor, ANY Logi can , with simply 4 enh armor plates, HAve AT LEAST +484 Armor. Module fixable.
4-Logi shield delay is , in MANY cases,better than commandos,Heavies,Most assaults.
5-The Minmatar logi runs faster than ALL assault suits except the minmatar assault. My Amarr Logi (The Slowest of them all) Runs at 7.55 with 1 complex Kin cat. Module Fixable.
6-They have the most slots and CPU-PG, combat wise, the logi is the best suit for the ability to adapt itself to any sitaution and excel where other suits should excel.
7-Logis are targeted first because thay are the most powerful suit,not because they are yellow. If Logis were balanced EVERYBODY would shoot a scout or a Heavy first.

At this point, wouldn't it be easier just to buff assault bonuses? Minmatar and Amarr racials are spot on, Gallente could use more PG, Caldari could use more CPU and bonuses for all the assault suits that help their primary tanking type like plate efficacy for amarr, movement penalty/fitting reduction for Gallente, and maybe shield recharge delay for Minmatar. This whole "nerf this because this sucks" approach doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "nerf every other weapon because the plasma cannon sucks."

All we need are better bonuses for assaults and equipment bonuses for logis.

A reload bonus for assaults and the Gallente logi bonus becoming the general logi bonus would be so simple and amicable.

Although I enjoy rofl stomping with my amarr logi I care far more about balance and role definition over my ability to pwn going down only slightly, im not saying my suggestion is the best but it would avoid a slot or hp nerf.

At this point, wouldn't it be easier just to buff assault bonuses?"

Even just swapping the shield recharge delays around would be a big step I think.

THe problem does not rely only with assaults.
The Logis are better assaults, but are also better heavies and better scouts.
Tell me ANY job in this game and i'll let you know how a Logi could out do the specified job better than the dropsuit ''DESIGNED'' to do that job.

This would need a LArge Profile dampening and Speed bonus to scouts, A Heavy HP increase to heavies and an innate Damage per level bonus for assaults. (not having to depend on Cx Dam Mods would be the ultimate advantage for ''killers'')..

So...WEll i mean i wouldnt mind THIS either, but the fact is that logis need fix, however is done...

I mean as an assault,having to use the Logi because its better than the assault or a scout its just ridiculous XD

It wouldn't, people would just fit 3 equipment for themself and carry on and the hp nerf or slot nerf threads would just carry on, sidearm only would solve everything, the logi would become the support class its supposed to be without our slots or hp being touched.

As long as shield regulators get a buff.