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Mordecai Sanguine
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:55:00 -
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Okay.
I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi.
Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :
-Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.
So that's pretty simple.
EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted)
Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot)
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go **** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the **** out.
With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything. |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:11:00 -
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RydogV wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Okay.
I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi.
Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :
-Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.
So that's pretty simple.
EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted)
Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot)
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go **** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the **** out.
With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything.
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended. I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation. Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead  Much better compromise. Please.
What's the problem with my idea ? Say it like that i could get it better.
You know the Secondary only is the worse thing possible.
Logi is not supposed to be CQC and secondary are only CQC so...
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Mordecai Sanguine
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:16:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1423871#post1423871
Read it completely.
Like it.
And stop complaining without a REAL solution.
Prefit (only secondary or other s*it) is bad idea.
More powerful assault or changing racial bonus will break the game.
Changing ehp is a bad idea.
We must NOT change the Logi power.
We must change how it is used.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:24:00 -
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Quote:Who said logi's aren't supposed to be CQC or that scouts are only supposed to be snipers or that any role is SUPPOSED to be anything. One of the few things that does set Dust apart at the moment is you can take a suit and fit it to your polaystyle. Some match with certain playstyles than others, but the freedom to do what you want instead of sticking you into a predetermined role is one of the few things we Dusters have going for us and people want to f*ck that up!
 Logi must help his teammate by support. As CQC he's too exposed to do it.
I understand what you're saying. and i agree.
But it's like if you ask to have a sniper rifle that can Oneshot at close range without aiming it's anarchy.
Yes to Freedom but NO to anarchy.
Sorry guy but if freedom is getting a suit that is for help teamate and play only alone then no freedom is not good.
Yes in Dust there's freedom.
But yes there's also predetermined role. Don't be blind open your eyes.
You can use everything as you wish but don't ask to be effective if you do s*it.
A Scouts is used to be effective as Close range OR Long range.
It's like that it's predetermined.
Logistics is used to help his teamates it's like that it's predetermined.
BUT this time he's too much effective as playing lika an assault.
So we must make him his role back.
In Dust the freedom is not to be every role you want.
It's the way you want to do it.
I'm sorry you didn't understand that.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:46:00 -
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Quote:I'm a Minmater Logi with over 20 million Skill Points. I can build a tanked suit with over 900 HP and Proto AR and I still get dropped like a hot rock all the time. I am an average player. As are most people out there. You are not getting beat by the suit...you're getting beat by the player. People need to accept that there is always someone out there better than you and quit pissing and whining about Logi this and Logi that. No amount of HP is gonna save you.
You are wrong you can't say there's not any problem with logi.
My battle suit is actually.
Freedom Mass driver.
Viziam scrambler pistol.
And 962eHp
It's madness.
The problem is we do the same than assault but better and we do more.
But assualt is not the problem they are fine.
The problem is HOW the Logi power is used.
It's really often use for himself (Armor plates / Shield extenders / damage mods etcetc) and not for equipements this is a problem.
Go check the llink i send before.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:48:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:RydogV wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:That's exactly why we dont see eye to eye about the sidearm only, because your an average player.
^This guy. I just want to muss his hair and pinch his cheeks. He's just so cunnin'  seriously you should try using an isjukone assault smg with prof 5, it's amazing.
Stop saying sh*t only sidearm is the worse idea i ever saw.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:49:00 -
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Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t What? ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again Roll
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.
Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :
-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.
Quote:
So that's pretty simple.
EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")
Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.
With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Blink
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). Attention
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Cool
Like this post make than the Dev see it. Idea
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. Blink )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM.... |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:11:00 -
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RydogV go check my previous idea.
(About equipements) |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:27:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I'll agree to this, this is the best thought out idea so far I think. Compact hives are easy to fit.
If you have readed ALL my idea.
You'll know that at least 20% of your PG/CPU MUST be used in equipements slots and are Locked in equipements (can't be used in other slots) |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:29:00 -
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RydogV wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:RydogV go check my previous idea.
(About equipements) I did. I get it. In fact I am pretty sure I made similar suggestions in the past. Mandatory equipment. Sidearm Only. Less Slots. Less CPU/PG. It has all been suggested before...dozens of times...month after month...round and round and round we go. But the truth is the greatness of 'Assault' Logi is a myth. It is not real. Build me any 'Assault' Logistics fit and I will build you a regular Assault fitting that is within a few AR rounds in HP or better.
Yes you're right but no one has ever got MY idea in fact.
Only have obligatoiry equipements is not enough
at least 20% of your PG/CPU MUST be used in equipements slots and are Locked in equipements (can't be used in other slots)
This is exactly the idea we waited for.
Nerfing Logi who not play logi and no change for real logi what else ? |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:32:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I'll agree to this, this is the best thought out idea so far I think. Compact hives are easy to fit. Yeah though about that but it's better than nothing. I still think sidearm only is viable, assault losing equipment slot is fine because that alone would define roles and encourage teamplay more but obviously people care more for their own experience than overall gameplay so to me as it stands mordecai has the best idea.
Thanks !
But DON'T forget they also must fit AT LEAST 20% of their PG/CPU in equipement slot !!!!!!
20% of their PG/CPU will be locked and will be used ONLY in the equipement slot !!!
So they'll can't fit 3compact hives it will WONT work !!
In fact the center of my idea is not the obligatory equipement.
It's the 20% of PG/CPU locked in equipements slot.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:46:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t What? ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again Roll
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.
Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :
-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.
Quote:
So that's pretty simple.
EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")
Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.
With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Blink
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). Attention
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Cool
Like this post make than the Dev see it. Idea
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. Blink )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM.... I'm going to bump this up.
Thanks again i'm glad to see that some people still "intelligent" in this forum 
Just add a little change the 20% will not be in the Max PG/CPU but on the PG/CPU that is used.
Go check my thread in "General discussions" i change it.
In fact it just change that :
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
To that :
At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:50:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117209&find=unread
Please guys read it and "Feed it" bump it i mean it must be said to the DEV.
The sidearm only is not a good idea.
Assault lose their equipement slot ? meh they don't give a f*ck...
Logi lose their weapon ? holy sh*t ! In 3 days w'll never see again a Logi 
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:02:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1423871#post1423871
Read it.
Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again  So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. Quote:So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid") Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.  Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot).  BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier)  Like this post make than the Dev see it.  It will balance everything. Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf. It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. ) Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.) Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.) Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM.... |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117209&find=unread Please guys read it and "Feed it" bump it i mean it must be said to the DEV. The sidearm only is not a good idea. Assault lose their equipement slot ? meh they don't give a f*ck... Logi lose their weapon ? holy sh*t ! In 3 days w'll never see again a Logi
The ISHI SMG is more than enough. It COSTS CPU/PG/ISK like a Light weapon because it can work like one....
>..>
If Sidearm only logis were to exist, a dual wielding Scrambler Pistol Amarr logi would be my fit to go... XD
So logi could play ONLY with SMG ishukone ? that's.... pretty restrictive don't you think :/ |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:19:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117209&find=unread Please guys read it and "Feed it" bump it i mean it must be said to the DEV. The sidearm only is not a good idea. Assault lose their equipement slot ? meh they don't give a f*ck... Logi lose their weapon ? holy sh*t ! In 3 days w'll never see again a Logi
The ISHI SMG is more than enough. It COSTS CPU/PG/ISK like a Light weapon because it can work like one....
>..>
If Sidearm only logis were to exist, a dual wielding Scrambler Pistol Amarr logi would be my fit to go... XD So logi could play ONLY with SMG ishukone ? that's.... pretty restrictive don't you think :/ No, noone said that. Even restricting logis to only 3 weapons is insane. Mordecai's idea wouldn't affect the logis that no one complains about, and would make life harder for the equipment spammers and people that abuse the Logi suit. His idea would stop people from complaining about logis. It would allow the real logibros to be logibros, while defining the role more. All without any real nerf. I fully support his idea.
Thanks !
You perfectly explain why my ideas is pretty great.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:27:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117209&find=unread Please guys read it and "Feed it" bump it i mean it must be said to the DEV. The sidearm only is not a good idea. Assault lose their equipement slot ? meh they don't give a f*ck... Logi lose their weapon ? holy sh*t ! In 3 days w'll never see again a Logi
The ISHI SMG is more than enough. It COSTS CPU/PG/ISK like a Light weapon because it can work like one....
>..>
If Sidearm only logis were to exist, a dual wielding Scrambler Pistol Amarr logi would be my fit to go... XD So logi could play ONLY with SMG ishukone ? that's.... pretty restrictive don't you think :/ Me myself would use dual scramblre pistols with amarr logi. AND there are still sidearms to come, ion pistol, mac sec smg's,,,etc...
Dual wielding weapon ???
Beh...It's not Kaloufdoutie or CS here.....
And scrambler pistol has a great iron sight and the 450% damage when Headhot so... Dual wielding will be bad in fact
I'm a level 4 of master with Scrambler pistol which is great !
But not enough to be the unique weapon of the logi. |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:34:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Look the thing is; med frames dont sacrifice anything in exchange for their preformance.
Light frames sacrifice HP for speed an dampening.Heavies sacrifice Speed and dampening for Heavy weapons and HP. What do Logis sacrifice? dont get me wrong i use logi on regular basis...but what do they sacrifice? Nothing.
High amount of slots and PG/CPU fix any downfall the logis might have. ME , being an assault and logi wouldnt mind sidearm only logis and equipless assaults:
GÖª Scouts: more speed and dampening,EQ slots at the exchange of HP
GÖª Heavies: Heavy weapon and HP in exchange for Speed and Dampening
GÖª Assaults: Good HP and mobility at the exchange of not having an equipment slot.
GÖª Logis: Good HP and adaptability , also multiple equipment slot at the expense of only being able to equip sidearms.
This way,everybody has a weakness. Im not saying this IS the way to go,just saying i see how it would balance the game.
As you said it's "Medium frames".
They don't have weakness BUT they don't have big point too.
It's the d+¬finition of "medium"
In fact i think Heavy frames is not resiliant enough.
They should get at least 25% of life more. (And a REAL racial bonus)
And scouts should get less "radar" visibility and the only that could use the future "claking device"
The problem is not medium frames but heavy frames that is too weak and scouts that "cloaking" is missing. |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:38:00 -
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And no people would still moan about the hp and combat effectiveness, it wouldmy define it either, it would be the same but some equipment bonuses, the fake logis will still just put equipment on to help themself and noone else.
Maybe but this time with 20% of PG/CPU gone.
They will be really less effective than assault in combat so they will go in assault suit.
Logitics will be still efficience in combat but less than assault (Less protected or less damage if you were putting damage mods). |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:41:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
Even restricting logis to only 3 weapons is insane. Mordecai's idea wouldn't affect the logis that no one complains about, and would make life harder for the equipment spammers and people that abuse the Logi suit. His idea would stop people from complaining about logis. It would allow the real logibros to be logibros, while defining the role more. All without any real nerf. I fully support his idea.
Cool, and I believe a real logi bro like myself is still effective with a sidearm because I am, it wouldn't just be that but assault would also lose their equipment slot, this way both roles are dependant on eachother but I also think mordecais idea is good and have been bumping it, try reading a thread before commenting, I too can do just fine with an SMG, I've been using just an SMG all day. Im going to be honest here, I like Plasma Cannons and ScRs too much. I won't stand to let them get taken away from me because Assaults are crying for a nerf. The balance would be assault loses its equipment making both more dependant on eachother, defining both roles better and encouraging team work, noone likes this though so people will whine forever about logi hp and fake logis.
It's not balanced.
Assault don't really give a f*ck about their slot.
In combat it will not changing anything for him.
For him the changement will be secondary.
For the logi who lose 90% of his firepower it will be the end.
It will became an heal slave who can't survive without other people.
While assault can still do his job. |
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Quote:I use a sidearm on it's own and I can assure you its good enough, I'm not Just a heal slave at all
I'm using a Master Level 4 Scrambler pistol.
And i'm really good with it (3/4 of shot is on the target and 1/2 on the head).
But sorry i don't want to be killed everytime the ennemy have a proto duvolle that can blast 15000ehp in one mag at 40meters while i can't even touch him.
Be realist 2seconds.
Please stop saying you're good with secondary.
Maybe you killed advanced with Proto secondary.
Maybe even some protos.
But just nO.
NO to only secondary weapon.
If it does Logi can be removed nobody will ever play Logi.
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:07:00 -
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Quote:So you have completely missed how this would encourage more teamwork. Ok understood.
Even.
Assault don't give a f*ck about their logi.
In fact Logi is yellow and always shot in first place.
What you want is the Logi as a human shield for assault.
Assault will NEVER protect his Logi and even if he tried the logi will be shot first.
It will encourage teamwork ONLY for the Logi because without he can't even survive.....
For the assault...Meh who cares ? |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:12:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:How about Removing the equipment to the assault and giving Logis Sidearms AND CQ weapons....I mena... AR will soon be a CQ,shotguns,flaylocks,scrambler pistols,SMG, nova knifes...not to meniton OTHER Sidearms soon to come...
Just an idea.
I know you have a good intention but stop having ideas about "weapon restriction".
Logis are not slave or human shield or free kill for assault don't forget it.... |
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TechMechMeds wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Quote:So you have completely missed how this would encourage more teamwork. Ok understood. Even. Assault don't give a f*ck about their logi. In fact Logi is yellow and always shot in first place. What you want is the Logi as a human shield for assault. Assault will NEVER protect his Logi and even if he tried the logi will be shot first. It will encourage teamwork ONLY for the Logi because without he can't even survive..... For the assault...Meh who cares ? Assaults run out of ammo very quick, they need uplinks, revives and healing, I can assure you that you are wrong.
I doesn't change the fact than Logi will not survive to help the assault.
So anyway the logi will be dead and couldn't help the assault.
Even if one day the assault and the Logi play as teamwork as you think (It will be NEVER).
The logi is always shot in first and will never survive with secondary weapon or will be about to die.
So he's dead and can't help OR he needs help so he will need a Logi to help the logi |
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:26:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:How about Removing the equipment to the assault and giving Logis Sidearms AND CQ weapons....I mena... AR will soon be a CQ,shotguns,flaylocks,scrambler pistols,SMG, nova knifes...not to meniton OTHER Sidearms soon to come...
Just an idea. I know you have a good intention but stop having ideas about "weapon restriction". Logis are not slave or human shield or free kill for assault don't forget it.... Im going to be honest now, I think you must not be that good a player, and you cant tell people to stop voicing their opinion, you are not ccp.
I wasn't serious when i said to stop saying ideas huh just a joke. (but the  ) didn't work  .
I'm 14 Millions SP.
Always been a Logistics since 9 months.
In chromosome i was with proto equipments but a simple Burst assault rifle..... (then mass driver).
Always here to help don't matter how much firepower i have.
So in fact i'm this kind of player you want with your idea of only "sidearms".
But i'm honest with you there's really too less people like "us" to be a viable choice.
Be honest how much people do you think will stay Logistics after that ? 5-10% ?
1 Logi for 10 players ?
It will be making Logi like Heavy.
Really Rare 1 every 10 soldier.
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:How about Removing the equipment to the assault and giving Logis Sidearms AND CQ weapons....I mena... AR will soon be a CQ,shotguns,flaylocks,scrambler pistols,SMG, nova knifes...not to meniton OTHER Sidearms soon to come...
Just an idea. Do you really want every logi to run around with Ishukone SMGs? Those things are better than ARs.  I know! XD
Nah im just saying ideas here , and this is pretty much what the thread is
Im not saying THIS is the solution,but Logis need a disadvantage,and with the Slots and CPU-PG they have, they really dont have any...
If they are restricted to use their Pg/CPU as i said in Equipements it will be balanced.
Everybody have a disadvantages ONLY when they got advantages don't you think ?
Anyway restrict Logis weapon will nerf real logi AND the logi who set the problem.
So....too much "collateral damage" don't you think ?
On the otherhand sorry if was...bad with you when i answer you.
It wasn't the purpose.
But dude be honest when you spend 9 months about playing something you don't want to be fuc*ed up like this.
You're good with 2 scrambler ?
Good i'm really good with only one.
But when you will be with only one pistol.
Reloading everytime.
Out of ammo evry 2 minutes.
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Mordecai Sanguine
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:
With Mordecai's suggestion. Logis would have a disadvantage. Nobody cares if you can get a 3 kdr, most people wouldn't be able to get more that 1-2 kills a match if they were restricted to sidearms, much less get a 3.0 kdr. With your and Tech's idea, logis would be used because someone has to be an equipment slave in the squad, not because someone wants to help the team.
Dont get mad at me bro, i did not create the thread.Im just saying , OVERALL, Logis need balance. They have no disadvantages.
Even if is this idea , or something else, they CANNOT stay as they are...thats all. :3Extra note: I dont see ANYTHING bad whith what you say.a good logi would be priceless for any team,if they became rare and still abl to get kills, just saying; Instead of 6 men Gall/Minma Logis proto squads with duvolles and scanners....
Well i'm gonna make a list about Logi disadvantages. :
Price an well fitted Logi is about 140.000 ISK.
All logi suits cost and equipement cost a lot.
Really hard to make some "rentable" suit.
In proto it's almost impossible.
Is weakier in :
Shield.
Armor.
Shield delay.
Slower.
Making it not having a big disadvantage but little everywhere making it in overall weakier.
He's yellow and always targeted first because the ennemy know his power for his teamate if alive.
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Mordecai Sanguine
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Posted - 2013.10.25 00:45:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:
If they are restricted to use their Pg/CPU as i said in Equipements it will be balanced.
Everybody have a disadvantages ONLY when they got advantages don't you think ?
Anyway restrict Logis weapon will nerf real logi AND the logi who set the problem.
So....too much "collateral damage" don't you think ?
On the otherhand sorry if was...bad with you when i answer you.
It wasn't the purpose.
But dude be honest when you spend 9 months about playing something you don't want to be fuc*ed up like this.
You're good with 2 scrambler ?
Good i'm really good with only one.
But when you will be with only one pistol.
Reloading everytime.
Out of ammo evry 2 minutes.
Consume all the hives for yourself because secondary are low capacity you will see.
Well if they restrict the CPU-PG use wouldnt it be AS BAD as just using sidearms? I mean i do know i WOuld prefer to run 2 scrambler pistols and 900 HP Logi with scanner and nanos,than a 550 HP logi at proto level with full equipment and GEK because i have a CPU-RESTRICTION......just saying ... How exactly would this restriction work?
Go check my thread
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