Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t What? ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again Roll
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.

Quote:
So that's pretty simple.


EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")

Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)

At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.





With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Blink
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). Attention
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Cool

Like this post make than the Dev see it. Idea
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. Blink )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....

You are wrong you can't say there's not any problem with logi.
My battle suit is actually.
Freedom Mass driver.
Viziam scrambler pistol.
And 962eHp
It's madness.
The problem is we do the same than assault but better and we do more.

But assualt is not the problem they are fine.

The problem is HOW the Logi power is used.
It's really often use for himself (Armor plates / Shield extenders / damage mods etcetc) and not for equipements this is a problem.

Go check the llink i send before.

RydogV go check my previous idea.

(About equipements)

I'll agree to this, this is the best thought out idea so far I think.

Compact hives are easy to fit.

Compact hives are easy to fit.

I did. I get it. In fact I am pretty sure I made similar suggestions in the past.

Mandatory equipment. Sidearm Only. Less Slots. Less CPU/PG.

It has all been suggested before...dozens of times...month after month...round and round and round we go.

But the truth is the greatness of 'Assault' Logi is a myth. It is not real. Build me any 'Assault' Logistics fit and I will build you a regular Assault fitting that is within a few AR rounds in HP or better.

Yeah though about that but it's better than nothing.

I still think sidearm only is viable, assault losing equipment slot is fine because that alone would define roles and encourage teamplay more but obviously people care more for their own experience than overall gameplay so to me as it stands mordecai has the best idea.

Yes you're right but no one has ever got MY idea in fact.

Only have obligatoiry equipements is not enough

at least 20% of your PG/CPU MUST be used in equipements slots and are Locked in equipements (can't be used in other slots)

This is exactly the idea we waited for.
Nerfing Logi who not play logi and no change for real logi what else ?

Thanks !
But DON'T forget they also must fit AT LEAST 20% of their PG/CPU in equipement slot !!!!!!
20% of their PG/CPU will be locked and will be used ONLY in the equipement slot !!!
So they'll can't fit 3compact hives it will WONT work !!


In fact the center of my idea is not the obligatory equipement.
It's the 20% of PG/CPU locked in equipements slot.

Hey Brotha'...I dig your passion. I am a 'True Logi' through and through so it's no skin off my nose. If your idea gets picked up then I will be happy for you.

Personally, I see it as low priority and would rather have the dev resources focus on the ump-teen other issues that need to be fixed first. But keep hollering man...maybe, just maybe they will listen

Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t What? ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again Roll
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.

Quote:
So that's pretty simple.


EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")

Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)

At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.





With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Blink
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). Attention
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Cool

Like this post make than the Dev see it. Idea
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. Blink )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....

Thanks !
But DON'T forget they also must fit AT LEAST 20% of their PG/CPU in equipement slot !!!!!!
20% of their PG/CPU will be locked and will be used ONLY in the equipement slot !!!
So they'll can't fit 3compact hives it will WONT work !!


In fact the center of my idea is not the obligatory equipement.
It's the 20% of PG/CPU locked in equipements slot.

I'm going to bump this up.

Clearly people want more definition with roles so I propose that Logis are sidearm only but to balance this assault lose their equipment slot.

This would define the two roles no matter how you look at it or dislike it.

PS logi since beta, I am amarr proto logi, please discuss this as sensibly as possible so its easier for CCP to sift out the logic and reason from bullsht.

Thank you.

No.

Thanks again i'm glad to see that some people still "intelligent" in this forum
Just add a little change the 20% will not be in the Max PG/CPU but on the PG/CPU that is used.
Go check my thread in "General discussions" i change it.

In fact it just change that :
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

To that :
At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

Actually yes, you just don't like it, that's fine.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117209&find=unread


Please guys read it and "Feed it" bump it i mean it must be said to the DEV.

The sidearm only is not a good idea.
Assault lose their equipement slot ? meh they don't give a f*ck...
Logi lose their weapon ? holy sh*t ! In 3 days w'll never see again a Logi

Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.



EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")

Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)

At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.





With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot).
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier)

Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....

So logi could play ONLY with SMG ishukone ? that's.... pretty restrictive don't you think :/

No, noone said that.

Even restricting logis to only 3 weapons is insane. Mordecai's idea wouldn't affect the logis that no one complains about, and would make life harder for the equipment spammers and people that abuse the Logi suit. His idea would stop people from complaining about logis. It would allow the real logibros to be logibros, while defining the role more. All without any real nerf. I fully support his idea.

So logi could play ONLY with SMG ishukone ? that's.... pretty restrictive don't you think :/