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RydogV
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:29:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Clearly people want more definition with roles so I propose that Logis are sidearm only but to balance this assault lose their equipment slot.
This would define the two roles no matter how you look at it or dislike it.
PS logi since beta, I am amarr proto logi, please discuss this as sensibly as possible so its easier for CCP to sift out the logic and reason from bullsht.
Thank you.
Sidearm? Really? So you want me to defend my self and my +160k fully equiped dropsuit with a sidearm?! Think again  |
RydogV
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:45:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:RydogV wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Clearly people want more definition with roles so I propose that Logis are sidearm only but to balance this assault lose their equipment slot.
This would define the two roles no matter how you look at it or dislike it.
PS logi since beta, I am amarr proto logi, please discuss this as sensibly as possible so its easier for CCP to sift out the logic and reason from bullsht.
Thank you. Sidearm? Really? So you want me to defend my self and my +160k fully equiped dropsuit with a sidearm?! Think again I do it just fine with an ishukone smg , that's your lack of skill talking, not reason.
Okay...
You're right
I'm wrong
...you win.
Get him a cookie. |
RydogV
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:08:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Okay.
I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi.
Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :
-Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.
So that's pretty simple.
EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted)
Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot)
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go **** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the **** out.
With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything.
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended. I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation.
Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead Much better compromise. Please.
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RydogV
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:36:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:RydogV wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Okay.
I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi.
Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :
-Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.
So that's pretty simple.
EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted)
Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot)
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go **** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the **** out.
With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything.
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended. I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation. Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead Much better compromise. Please. What's the problem with my idea ? Say it like that i could get it better. You know the Secondary only is the worse thing possible. Logi is not supposed to be CQC and secondary are only CQC so...
I was being sarcastic about the SMG...because the other guy thinks sidearms only is a solution. It isn't. There is no solution because there is no problem.
All people need to do is a little bit of math. Considering two players are skilled to level 5 in all categories....a fully tanked Assault Suit and a fully tanked Logi Suit of the same race are only separated by a few AR rounds worth of HP. It is such a stupid argument over a couple a well placed shots.
Chances are you are dead because someone got the drop on you...even for a second. It is enough to make the difference between you being dead and you being alive...all else being equal. If someone wants to take a Logi suit and make into an offensive platform then fine, let them. It is a dumb move. The role/race bonuses of the Assault suits are much better geared toward 'slayer' type of play. If they just did a little research then they could find an Assault racial variant that would fit their playstyle better than any Logi suit available.
So let them be 'Assault' Logi's until the heart's content. They are only gimping themselves. And gimps are easy to kill, all day long.
I'm a Minmater Logi with over 20 million Skill Points. I can build a tanked suit with over 800 HP and Proto AR and I still get dropped like a hot rock all the time. I am an average player. As are most people out there. You are not getting beat by the suit...you're getting beat by the player. People need to accept that there is always someone out there better than you and quit pissing and whining about Logi this and Logi that. No amount of HP is gonna save you.
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RydogV
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:43:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:That's exactly why we dont see eye to eye about the sidearm only, because your an average player.
^This guy. I just want to muss his hair and pinch his cheeks. He's just so cunnin'  |
RydogV
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:07:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Quote:I'm a Minmater Logi with over 20 million Skill Points. I can build a tanked suit with over 900 HP and Proto AR and I still get dropped like a hot rock all the time. I am an average player. As are most people out there. You are not getting beat by the suit...you're getting beat by the player. People need to accept that there is always someone out there better than you and quit pissing and whining about Logi this and Logi that. No amount of HP is gonna save you. You are wrong you can't say there's not any problem with logi. My battle suit is actually. Freedom Mass driver. Viziam scrambler pistol. And 962eHp It's madness. The problem is we do the same than assault but better and we do more. But assualt is not the problem they are fine. The problem is HOW the Logi power is used. It's really often use for himself (Armor plates / Shield extenders / damage mods etcetc) and not for equipements this is a problem. Go check the llink i send before.
I get what you are saying. The whole 'make equipment mandatory' thing. I used to think that too. But it isn't necessary. It just isn't. So you can rock a great fitting.
A properly skilled player in an Amarr Assault suit can fit those same weapons and have 1113 HP. And they will still have 80 CPU and 5 PG left over for grenades or equipment. So there is some madness +1.
Face it. There is always going to be someone better fitted or better skilled. Always.
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RydogV
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:17:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:RydogV go check my previous idea.
(About equipements)
I did. I get it. In fact I am pretty sure I made similar suggestions in the past.
Mandatory equipment. Sidearm Only. Less Slots. Less CPU/PG.
It has all been suggested before...dozens of times...month after month...round and round and round we go.
But the truth is the greatness of 'Assault' Logi is a myth. It is not real. Build me any 'Assault' Logistics fit and I will build you a regular Assault fitting that is within a few AR rounds in HP or better.
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RydogV
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:34:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:RydogV wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:RydogV go check my previous idea.
(About equipements) I did. I get it. In fact I am pretty sure I made similar suggestions in the past. Mandatory equipment. Sidearm Only. Less Slots. Less CPU/PG. It has all been suggested before...dozens of times...month after month...round and round and round we go. But the truth is the greatness of 'Assault' Logi is a myth. It is not real. Build me any 'Assault' Logistics fit and I will build you a regular Assault fitting that is within a few AR rounds in HP or better. Yes you're right but no one has ever got MY idea in fact. Only have obligatoiry equipements is not enough at least 20% of your PG/CPU MUST be used in equipements slots and are Locked in equipements (can't be used in other slots)This is exactly the idea we waited for. Nerfing Logi who not play logi and no change for real logi what else ?
Hey Brotha'...I dig your passion. I am a 'True Logi' through and through so it's no skin off my nose. If your idea gets picked up then I will be happy for you.
Personally, I see it as low priority and would rather have the dev resources focus on the ump-teen other issues that need to be fixed first. But keep hollering man...maybe, just maybe they will listen  |
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