As long as shield regulators get a buff.

I use Gal logi quite a bit. I like the equipment fitting bonus, it makes sense with the three slots you get.

I was looking at some of the other bonuses and the Amarr armor local rep seems silly. So does the Minmatar hacking bonus. The Caldari shield regulator bonus makes it more of an assault suit.

If I could change the bonuses, I would make them:

* Gallente: Equipment fitting (stays same)

* Amarr: Armor rep amount bonus (like a miniature Guardian - Amarr logi ship in EVE )

* Minmatar: Bonus to remote explosive damage (move hacking bonus to Caldari scout)

* Caldari: Bonus to those future portable shield bubbles (making it the choice for medic role)

Also, I see more Minmatar and Caldari assaults with shotguns than logis. You can't blame everything on the banana men.

No, your bonuses would preclude alternative equipment, you have locked logis into a specific item. That is unacceptable. Bonuses should be universal in their scope. Gallente: fit, Amarr: repair, Min: hack, Caldari: shields. This is also a comment on the current bonuses. Requireing a suit to use a specific weapon, or module in order to be effective is not a good bonus in my opinion.

Gall, ok. Min, ok, but the other bonuses could change - same for the assaults.

None applicable:
The fact you see more of something does not prove it cannot be done otherwise better:

1 Cx Kin cats
1 Enh Cardiac Reg
2 Enh Prof Dampners
3-4 Cx Shield extenders
Shotgun of preference + ADV SCanner

This is a Minmatar Logi / Proto suit. AKA the Sout v.2.0

Now this is a ''scout'' with
5 Armor repair rate
@ 8.2 Sprint speed
CAnnot be picked up by ADV active scanners
Have scanning capabilities.
A minimum of 25% Hacking bonus speed
WITHOUT Passive bonuses: 150 Armor and 380 shields.Total 530 HP
Possibly Nanohives to replenish.

Now tell my my friend, what scout OR assault an do all that at the same time....
Is it more expensive? Hell yeah.Do i or anyone with over 50mill care? hell no...

This isn't a problem with Logi suits though... The problem here is that scout suits suck. An assault can be a better scout than a scout as well, does that mean we should take a light weapon slot way from assaults and nerf their speed so they can't be shotgun asscouts? No. It means scouts need a buff.

None applicable:
The fact you see more of something does not prove it cannot be done otherwise better:

1 Cx Kin cats
1 Enh Cardiac Reg
2 Enh Prof Dampners
3-4 Cx Shield extenders
Shotgun of preference + ADV SCanner

This is a Minmatar Logi / Proto suit. AKA the Sout v.2.0

Now this is a ''scout'' with
5 Armor repair rate
@ 8.2 Sprint speed
CAnnot be picked up by ADV active scanners
Have scanning capabilities.
A minimum of 25% Hacking bonus speed
WITHOUT Passive bonuses: 150 Armor and 380 shields.Total 530 HP
Possibly Nanohives to replenish.

Now tell my my friend, what scout OR assault an do all that at the same time....
Is it more expensive? Hell yeah.Do i or anyone with over 50mill ISK cares? hell no...

a Scout could only DREAM of doing all that and the only real 2 advantages they have are smaller hitbox and a sidearm.
L A M E

AGreed,but what kind of buff do you propose, one that DENIES Logis from being better scouts than scouts? Because,no offense, you people are good at bashing our ideas but dont come out with good ideas of your own.

So tell be bro Fizzer, what to do so a scout can never be outdone in its job by a logi.

Enlighten me.

So instead of suggesting a way for scouts to have something like that, (possibly through biotics fitting reductions) you'd rather nobody have it because you can't? Brb, requesting to nerf all other weapons because the plasma cannon sucks.

AGreed,but what kind of buff do you propose, one that DENIES Logis from being better scouts than scouts? Because,no offense, you people are good at bashing our ideas but dont come out with good ideas of your own.

So tell be bro Fizzer, what to do so a scout can never be outdone in its job by a logi.

Enlighten me.

That's you're territory- you play scout, we don't.

Clearly people want more definition with roles so I propose that Logis are sidearm only but to balance this assault lose their equipment slot.

This would define the two roles no matter how you look at it or dislike it.

PS logi since beta, I am amarr proto logi, please discuss this as sensibly as possible so its easier for CCP to sift out the logic and reason from bullsht.

Thank you.

AGreed,but what kind of buff do you propose, one that DENIES Logis from being better scouts than scouts? Because,no offense, you people are good at bashing our ideas but dont come out with good ideas of your own.

So tell be bro Fizzer, what to do so a scout can never be outdone in its job by a logi.

Enlighten me.

Im not talking out of my a** here.
I know the advantage i have while wearing my Logi suit. All the advantages none of the disadvantages.If i dont like something about the suit, pling! Module and its fixed.
Its so adaptable that i can Run as a scout, with lower profile dampening and 600 HP.
Or tank (At ADV level) all the way up to 900HP for 35k ISK. Or i can stack Damage mods (3) and Armor tank for 680 HP and a Lot of firepower...etc..
Logis at proto level outlast heavies,have more firepower than assaults,can run faster than scouts,etc///

Every suit needs a downfall.

1)Logis DONT have disadvantages
2)The only disadvantage an Assault has; Its that its not a Logi....

''Assaults run out of ammo very quick, they need uplinks, revives and healing, I can assure you that you are wrong.''
Yeah,thats what the logi will be there for...

No, your bonuses would preclude alternative equipment, you have locked logis into a specific item. That is unacceptable. Bonuses should be universal in their scope. Gallente: fit, Amarr: repair, Min: hack, Caldari: shields. This is also a comment on the current bonuses. Requireing a suit to use a specific weapon, or module in order to be effective is not a good bonus in my opinion.

Gall, ok. Min, ok, but the other bonuses could change - same for the assaults.

ok:
GÖª2 more slots , 1H 1L to all scouts
GÖª+ -+ CPU/PG upgrade
GÖªAnother equipment slot for a sidearm (B type variants)
GÖªchange 5% bonus to 15% Profile dampening per level so at proto level without dampeners only 1 Scanner can pick them up.
GÖª CHange Gallante bonus to 20% range increase per level
GÖª Change Minny Bonus to 3% SIDEARM damage per level
GÖªa 1.2 Sprint and movement speed buff across the board
GÖªFix shotgun hit detection
GÖª 1/3 HP buff
GÖªBuff nova knives
GÖª increase AT LEAST -+ of their Profile scan RANGE.

THEN , Logi cant outdo scouts in their jobs. ...Only then.

Please give us a decent balance proposal, you couldnt possibly get as much flak as I have so go for it lol

The problem with your argument is that it you are saying that the logi always has the step up from all other suits. What you fail to state is that while the logi may excel in one stat because of modules that never overcomes all of its shortcomings. And for the record any suit can equip another module to overcome its shortcomings. A logi, like any suit, can equip a module and be near the level of another suit, but never on par or beyond if they equiped the same module.

deleted because it quoted the wrong person instead of the target of the rant.

How do bonuses preclude alternate equipment? My proposal gives each race a small edge in one area, much like bonuses work in EVE.

In DUST, you could get an idea as to what an enemy logi has equipped to take advantage of that bonus. An Amarr logi would likely have a repper, Minmatar remote explosives, etc... I think that would add to the experience.

So?
General Assault 2% extra damage per level
Gallente Dunno, someone else can think of this...
Amarr Same Bounus as is currently
Caldari +5% Range on Rail and Missle Weaponry
Minmatar +5% per level clip size on projectile weapons

General Logi 5% reduction to Equipment PG and CPU usage per level
Gallente Scanner Bonus
Amarr Uplink Bonus
Caldari Nanohive/Injector Bonus
Minmatar RE/Reptool Bonus

And no people would still moan about the hp and combat effectiveness, it wouldmy define it either, it would be the same but some equipment bonuses, the fake logis will still just put equipment on to help themself and noone else.

a Logi can equip 4 Cx Kinetic Catalizers.

Now tell me how is a scout going to move THAT fast?
The Gal Scout doesnt have the CPU/PG to sustain that (Plus compared to hte Minmatar logi he would only run +0.04 )
The Minmatar logi only has 2 slots.

More slots = True power.


On other notes im not saying Logis with sidearm ONLY and Assault without equipment is the only way to go, i just see how it could balance the game.
If people dont like that idea, im always happy to read ideas about the issue.

4 Kin Cats and a 12 second sprint duration.

There is no rant, we are debating.