DUST Search - The real logi balance thread.

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

RydogV wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Okay.
I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.

So that's pretty simple.

EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted)

Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot)

At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go **** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the **** out.

With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything.
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended.

I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation.

Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead What?

Much better compromise. Please.

What's the problem with my idea ? Say it like that i could get it better.
You know the Secondary only is the worse thing possible.
Logi is not supposed to be CQC and secondary are only CQC so...


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Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 367	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:11:00 - [1] - Quote While we are at it it lets make it so that heavies can't equip light weapons or only scouts can equip sniper rifles. Ooooo better yet lets just make this a Battlefield or Team Fortress clone and not have slots and choices in weapons but just prefit suits. The anti logi idiocy going on in the forums today is ridiculous
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 367	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:15:00 - [2] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: RydogV wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Okay. I'me going to say WHAT meant to be as a Logi. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Assholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted) Battle logi will take Amarr or caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take minimatarr/allente (4slot) At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go ** yourself and play as a real LOGI or get the ** out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. With my proposal it will make Logi using his power as intended. I do like the equipment being filled idea but forcing anyone to have to do that will do more harm than good in a game that promotes suit customisation. Sure, we should just make every Logi carry an Ishukone SMG instead Much better compromise. Please. What's the problem with my idea ? Say it like that i could get it better. You know the Secondary only is the worse thing possible. Logi is not supposed to be CQC and secondary are only CQC so... Who said logi's aren't supposed to be CQC or that scouts are only supposed to be snipers or that any role is SUPPOSED to be anything. One of the few things that does set Dust apart at the moment is you can take a suit and fit it to your polaystyle. Some match with certain playstyles than others, but the freedom to do what you want instead of sticking you into a predetermined role is one of the few things we Dusters have going for us and people want to f*ck that up!
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 373	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:37:00 - [3] - Quote deleted because it quoted the wrong person instead of the target of the rant.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 373	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:43:00 - [4] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: And no people would still moan about the hp and combat effectiveness, it wouldmy define it either, it would be the same but some equipment bonuses, the fake logis will still just put equipment on to help themself and noone else. So what!? So what if some people are using Logi suits as assault suits, heavies as snipers, or minmatar assaults as beefier scouts? This is not a case like the caldari logi/tac ar that was obviously superior to everything else and needed nerfing. I think I am a proper logi bro, I carry advanced equipment at the minimum, but I also carry at least an adv weapon if not proto and I use proto shield and armor so I can survive and yes even kill the enemy. However, I'm not going to begrudge anyone their choice of using a logi suit however they choose. I personally find caldari logi's that are tanked and running around with shotguns trying to get everyone in CQC annoying, but they are still certainly killable. To me these balance logi threads reeks of people trying to force their preconceived notions of what each suit should be onto everyone else.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 373	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:47:00 - [5] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: deleted because it quoted the wrong person instead of the target of the rant. There is no rant, we are debating. LOL you guys may be debating, I'm ranting. I'm still even trying to see where this logi problem stems from. Have I missed it where everyone on the field is a logi or something? There are still plenty of assaults, scouts, and fewer but still there are heavies. All these threads seem like they began with the notion that a logi should not be able to defeat any other suit 1 on 1 and that they must only be able to heal and generally play ***** to all the other suits and I'm sorry but that is just BS and is not the "intended" role for the suit.