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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
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Posted - 2013.10.21 19:10:00 -
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in other words, you scared that youl actually have to put effort into your class and you don't want to need intelligence to kill us. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1902
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:07:00 -
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Atiim wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:AV is supposed to be buffer damage to assist your allied armor in taking out enemy tanks.
Sorry that you want to camp on a tower spamming the right trigger thinking you're good. Reading comprehension: 0 You did read the part where I said that long ranges with swarms are not good for effectively using AV right? AV is supposed to be used for ANTI--VEHICLE. Where does the description does it say that it's main purpose is to help allied tanks?
where in the description does it say "AV is meant to make vehicles unplayable and thus, nobody will bring them out ,effectively making this class dead also." |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1905
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote: No no it does. Every AVer in that equation is self sufficient and can work together without even need to use team chat.
If you mean to say a tank needs, a driver, gunner, and moduler to be useful not only do you kill any sense of vehicle balance you kill driving vehicles as a whole. Why do infantry not understand this. Your game would be so boring, not to mention dead without the 500 or more vehicle users in this game.
I mean I'd head straight for battlefield and never look back.
Congratulations you would all have your CoD514.
No a Tanker Should be able to efficiently drive his tank solo, hell he could even choose to remove the small turrets and run it alone,but it shouldnt be very effective , same as 1 single AV is not very effective vs a good tanker. Now as I see it, tankers feel they should be able to solo whole games since their tanks are expensive. IMO You are just wearing a 6000HP + Dropssuit that is immune to all but 4 weapons and moves fast. We've had this discussion 10000000000000000 times. like srsly ,wait for the changes then we can whine and rant....
well... the difference is that our vehicles cost over 10x more than a single dropsuit you have, we also spent 10x the amount of SP you do to deploy anything..
and if balance isn't based around personal investment in this game, then why the **** do we even have personal investment, might as well make this call of duty where even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1905
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:43:00 -
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how you guys respond to logic that makes your arguments mute and void. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1905
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:48:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
well... the difference is that our vehicles cost over 10x more than a single dropsuit you have, we also spent 10x the amount of SP you do to deploy anything..
and if balance isn't based around personal investment in this game, then why the **** do we even have personal investment, might as well make this call of duty where even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want.
Yes that is a big ISK difference. But you know this before buying the vehicle. Nobody is making you run tanks every match, thats is your decision. IMO you are just buying a 4th Tier Dropsuit. Thats all, and for balance sake even if it cost x10 a Tier 3 dropsuit (proto) still shouldnt give you the right to solo matches. The SP part is totall BULLCRAP and tankers know this,need to stop using that as an excuse , i have over 13mill on my AV fittings. The Suit,Skills,Passive skills, Proficiency,Rapid reload ,Sidearm Equipment,etc.... And lastly .. 'even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want''LOL THATS what YOU want, be able to solo games without teamwork, dont push that onto me, im saying everything uses teamwork, or it doesnt. NOT YOUR: ''Yeah tanks can solo BUT you will need 2-4 PROTO AVs to take me down LOLOLO>...'' NO.
since when am I coming on the forums saying Quote:why is this not call of duty I have to think here, why do I need to think? why is the tank not the god particle!!!
im always giving you people real balance, yet you come round and blow it all away because you want call of duty. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1906
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:51:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
well... the difference is that our vehicles cost over 10x more than a single dropsuit you have, we also spent 10x the amount of SP you do to deploy anything..
and if balance isn't based around personal investment in this game, then why the **** do we even have personal investment, might as well make this call of duty where even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want.
Yes that is a big ISK difference. But you know this before buying the vehicle. Nobody is making you run tanks every match, thats is your decision. IMO you are just buying a 4th Tier Dropsuit. Thats all, and for balance sake even if it cost x10 a Tier 3 dropsuit (proto) still shouldnt give you the right to solo matches. Its like me running PRoto every match and complaining a single STARTER fit dropped me with MLT Grenades.LOL The SP part is totall BULLCRAP and tankers know this,need to stop using that as an excuse , i have over 13mill on my AV fittings. The Suit,Skills,Passive skills, Proficiency,Rapid reload ,Sidearm Equipment,etc.... And lastly .. 'even the most ******** dumbass can destroy an entire planet by himself like you want''LOL THATS what YOU want, be able to solo games without teamwork, dont push that onto me, im saying everything uses teamwork, or it doesnt. NOT YOUR: ''Yeah tanks can solo BUT you will need 2-4 PROTO AVs to take me down LOLOLO>...'' NO.
if you really believe that personal investment doesnt mean **** here, then give back all my 17 mil SP that iv put into infantry and vehicles and let me buy prototype infantry equipment and allow me to buy an enforcer with 7k shields, oh wait, you cant can you.. you know why? BECAUSE I DONT HAEV INVESTMENT INTO THAT. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1906
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:57:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
im always giving you people real balance, yet you come round and blow it all away because you want call of duty.
You are one of the most Biased Tankers i've ever met, not as much as SPRK4whateves...but still, your ''balance'' is one sighted. So its not balance.
and you are biased as well "if a 50 ton machine half the size of a building can solo, so can a dropsuit the size of a forge gun". that's biased |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1906
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:02:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:I'll just say it one more time.
Tank or no tank, Proto or MLT.
If you can Solo playing as a tanker; then you should be able to solo said tanker if you have equally tier'd equipment.
Why because this is for balance sake, even if you spent 50 milion sp and 500 billions in tanks, if you get in a game ALONE, then ALONE you should be able to die....
a proto dropsuit should never have as much power as a proto vehicle unless its the same size. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1906
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:04:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
and you are biased as well "if a 50 ton machine half the size of a building can solo, so can a dropsuit the size of a forge gun". that's biased
It might sound biased,but its for the sake of balance. I say the same thing to you.
If we think of it a it SHOULD be, you 50 ton machine should take a lot of fire and survive, but as it is we dont have enough players per game to support powerful vehicles like this. Example: If i need 2-3 guys to kill a tank, then what happens when void, adamance,TheLegend,Godin, SPRK4 etc..get all in a match and deploy 5-6 tanks in a 12 vs 12 match? INBALANCE.thats what we have....
that's not imbalance that's just ****** up matchmaking lol.
its not my fault the game put me up against a bunch of randoms that never bothered to skill into av or never bothered to bring it out.
if they bring out 3 avrs then those avrs have the ability to destroy us.
do not confuse balance with match making. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1908
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:13:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
that's not imbalance that's just ****** up matchmaking lol.
its not my fault the enemy never bothered to bring out av or didn't bother to skill into it.
if they bring out 3 avrs then those avrs have the ability to destroy us.
do not confuse balance with match making.
But i am not., This is a very possible scenario with or without bad matchmaking. Lets say you are 6 tankers VS EQUALLY skilled 6 AVers.As it is now, they (AV) do have a chance of winning. I Admit, their chance is probablly higher than your chance of winning (TANKS).But if they apply the :'' 2-3 AVers to take down 1 tank'' theory, even if the matchmaking was FLAWLESS and 12 EQUALLY SKilled , with EQUAL SP players got in the same match, they wont be able to stop you tankers.... You would win, 100% guaranteed .THIS IS NOT BALANCE.By the numbers they would need at LEAST 12 Avers to take down 5-6 tanks... I wouldnt MIND a tank buff, and an AV nerf. But if they set a TANK limit on the field. 2 per team in FQ and Pubs....
your making yourself look to stupid to do more than one thing, if 6 avers are on the field, and 6 tankers, then 3 of them would each have their own tank to destroy, and if theres 3 avrs on the field, those 3 avrs would destroy all the tanks in the battle... seriously, your amiability to multitask is pathetic. |
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1908
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:35:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
your making yourself look to stupid to do more than one thing, if 6 avers are on the field, and 6 tankers, then 3 of them would each have their own tank to destroy, and if theres 3 avrs on the field, those 3 avrs would destroy all the tanks in the battle... seriously, your amiability to multitask is pathetic.
Ok echo, i forgot you are a VERY slow dude here i go again: GÖª If 2 Guys are needed to take down ONE tank. 3 guys would be balance..GÖª The 6 Avers and 6 Tankers have lets say 15 Mill SP, and are EQUALLY skilled, there by PERFECT matchmaking. then the avers would decimate the tankers before they got halfway through the map. GÖª We put the 6 AVers and The 6 TAnks in a 300mts completley PLAIN terrain. avers would win in less than a minute.GÖª The 6 Tankers will win, 100% of the time. lol no we wouldn't win, with the efficiency of av vs tanks, if the av is standing completely still and doing nothing, then we would win.GÖª Because to take out the 6 tankers you would need 12 AVers; 6 Avers will only take down 3 and then get outdamaged by the other 3 tanks. in order to take out one tank you would need 3 avers, so IF THERE IS MORE THAN ONE TANK ON THE FIELD, THOSE 3 GUYS WOULD BE ALL YOU NEED TO DESTROY THE TANKS.I understand where you are coming from with your little re7arded explanation, but im assuming the avers are actually doing something more than standing still. DUh.... |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:58:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:
Currently in my armor tank with all modules running fully pimped out reping I can be taken down by a single guy in 10 seconds. Any fully set up AV pro can take me out in 10 seconds while I am running all modules no matter the build.
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This is the kind of BS tankers want us to believe LOLIf thats true: You tank sucks balls and so do youAnd why do i know its a lie?: I have tried soloing tanks with a LOT of damage at the same time: 4-PE + PRO Packed Grenades + up to 5 PROTO SWARMS WITH PROF AND DAM MODs , and they survive and run away. SURVIVE and RUN AWAY. This means in good theory if he had seen me before i saw him he could have killed me without me able to inflict ANY important damage. I run ADV P/E + Proto SWARMS + Lai Dai Packed nades on an Amarr logi.And even while emptying EVERYTHING tanks have been able to survive. Your pitiful.'' aw gawd my tank gets soloed all the time by 1 AVer'' just makes you look bad, you are not fooling anyone.
On other notes. Yeah tanks need a buff, just not chromo level buff.... First off you need to go talk to any recognizable player in this forum. And ask him who I am. And if I am good. Before you say I suck and do not know what I am doing. Consider me a ******* god compared to your scrawny noobie self. And yes any armor tank can be dropped in 10 seconds by AV. While modules are running. I can run a 4 damage mod LOL Swarm Fire 2 Shots then throw 4 AV nades in 10 seconds. Nah you suck. Consider ME a god compared to your scrawny noobie tank. Where do you go of addressing people like that?
well:
1. he has more likes than you, so its probably that he has more respect overall because his posts appeal to people.
2. hes in imperfects, without a doubt one of the best corps to be in this game even in retirement status.
3. iv never heard of you before a month ago lol.
4. your just making yourself a joke with these threads. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:00:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
You might be a god compared to me skill wise, but not a very smart one if you are exposed for so long that gets your tank killed by ONE ;Aver...LOLnot as good as self proclaimed then....
BTW insulting me wont get you nowhere, i dont take any of this personal,not like you... pushed you buttons there scrubby? Oh im sorry you thought that being skilled made you less of a scrub > LOL
He isn't joking King when we shoot at you half our shots phase right through you. What? Yeah i know, same as swarms being invisible, they are ALL problem thatneeds fix But True A. You are not following me here. As response from you tankers LOOSING the main argument,you know: '' Why should tankers run solo and AV be done in teams'' You are coming out with all kind of possible arguments that are not to the case... We all know swarms are invisible, yup We know rendering is still crap, tank turret hit detection is not as good as it should be. We all know tanks need buffs We all know tanks are not worth their ISK price. But comming to tell me a GOD tanker gets dropped by ONE Avers EVERYTIME in less than 10 secs..? please bro, if thats true then True Adamamance must be the King Of Gods of Tanking ; Surviving multiple Avers with a SCOUT tanks....
and neither are you with all your arguments saying tanks are fine as they are. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:02:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Want to talk nerfing
I used to remember the days where my heavy suit could eat a railgun shell to the shoulder and live.
I remember when it took 3-4 guys with prototype swarms to kill my surya and sagaris and when my railgun could do over 6k damage in one shot.. and your bringing up nerfs. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:
well:
1. he has more likes than you, so its probably that he has more respect overall because his posts appeal to people.
2. hes in imperfects, without a doubt one of the best corps to be in this game even in retirement status.
3. iv never heard of you before a month ago lol.
4. your just making yourself a joke with these threads.
While commenting on the game we ALL play: Likes, corp ,-K-D ratio etc dont apply.
We all have the same level of importance ; Opinion wise.-1 void
you do realize that was a joke post right??
I don't comment seriously on people's reputation or their status on the forums. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:06:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Void Echo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
You might be a god compared to me skill wise, but not a very smart one if you are exposed for so long that gets your tank killed by ONE ;Aver...LOLnot as good as self proclaimed then....
BTW insulting me wont get you nowhere, i dont take any of this personal,not like you... pushed you buttons there scrubby? Oh im sorry you thought that being skilled made you less of a scrub > LOL
He isn't joking King when we shoot at you half our shots phase right through you. What? Yeah i know, same as swarms being invisible, they are ALL problem thatneeds fix But True A. You are not following me here. As response from you tankers LOOSING the main argument,you know: '' Why should tankers run solo and AV be done in teams'' You are coming out with all kind of possible arguments that are not to the case... We all know swarms are invisible, yup We know rendering is still crap, tank turret hit detection is not as good as it should be. We all know tanks need buffs We all know tanks are not worth their ISK price. But comming to tell me a GOD tanker gets dropped by ONE Avers EVERYTIME in less than 10 secs..? please bro, if thats true then True Adamamance must be the King Of Gods of Tanking ; Surviving multiple Avers with a SCOUT tanks.... and neither are you with all your arguments saying tanks are fine as they are. IN THIS SAME post you quoted me i said tanks need a buff; which means ,you re not even reading my post. which means i wont even read your anymore ....
since when do you ever read mine when im not agreeing with you?
and btw, im replying to your most recent post, not an old post. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote: Dude with this POS reasoning, I'm suprised CCP and IWS take you seriously!
It doesn't matter if you've only heard about him a month ago, his likes, or his corp. If he has a point then he has a point
END OF STORY
with your reasoning and all, im surprised people even bother to try to understand you.
that doesn't seem to be the case here since your getting little support and a lot of hate.
IWS? nah, we don't take each other seriously, CCP? since when do they listen to anyone with a brain. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well you have your Vayu/Falcion at militia, Sica/Soma at standard, and Gunnlogi/Madrugger at adv.
fixed it for you |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Void Echo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well you have your Vayu/Falcion at militia, Sica/Soma at standard, and Gunnlogi/Madrugger at adv. fixed it for you Stats wise maybe, tree wise far from.
well.. when it comes to combat effectiveness and efficiency, the way I just reposted your comment is correct. why do some people actually use them? they aren't worth the isk they cost. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:35:00 -
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Commander Tzu wrote:Void Echo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Void Echo wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well you have your Vayu/Falcion at militia, Sica/Soma at standard, and Gunnlogi/Madrugger at adv. fixed it for you Stats wise maybe, tree wise far from. well.. when it comes to combat effectiveness and efficiency, the way I just reposted your comment is correct. why do some people actually use them? they aren't worth the isk they cost. Dude shutup, do you have any idea how much more money and salvage I get when people call in those Failtanks =)
yeah I do, I destroy them all the time.... they are worth the isk to the people destroying them, but not to the people using them |
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