There is no way for you to tell the difference between accidental and intentional. Plus I'm talking about suicide griefers as well. If you look at PC match TK you will see a clear pattern that even in the most organized teams, you will get a couple TK per match and we are talking about different corps in a FW battle. What I'm saying is don't make individual TKs effect anything but look for patterns like being kicked from multiple matches, new player, etc.

Honestly I think a lot of these issues could probably be minimized by a combination of a few things that have already been discussed...

8. Team killing the team killers[/b]

• Once a merc has more than x TKs other members of the team are not penalized for killing this individual.

Removing ISK Payouts
No, not because we hate you. Remember one of our goals with factional contracts is to make it something you guys want to play alongside public contracts. Removing ISK payouts accomplishes this goal and makes factional contracts an ISK sink. It also helps make them different, again another goal. We cannot just remove ISK rewards though and expect you guys to play this. See the next point!

Lose a 50k suit means nothing but lose a million and half tank for an ******* really sucks.

Ya know.. I see a bunch of whining about TKing here, but after thinking about it for a bit... it shouldnt be THAT hard to avoid.

Yes if you play the same way you do now, you're going to get banned.
Well.. Good!

The whole point of enabling friendly fire damage, is to make people play more realistically, and stop playing the way they do now, where they see a group of dots, and fire into it, never mind the color.

In real life, if you see an enemy 20m away, but you have a friendly within 10 degrees of arc... you'd better pay attention to them just as much as the enemy, and STOP FIRING, if they start heading towards your line of fire!

Now, whether they do that "accidentally", or "on purpose", really shouldnt matter. You need to take the accidental into account.
Once you're doing that, you will also take care of the deliberate.

And its not like they're enemy scouts who can pop up on your radar and "surprise" you... They will be on your radar 100% of the time!
Use Your Radar, and you'll avoid TK penalties.

At that point, the worst they can do, is reduce your effectiveness in combat. They wont get you banned, though, since you wont be firing.

Upon further thought, perhaps penalties for friendly fire should be reduced a little for longterm hit, but increased for short term.
Upon either 2 team kills, or (above some amount of team damage), the offender gets immediately ejected from the game, and banned for 1 hour.
Repeated offenses, get longer bans

There should be no FF penalty among squads, the squad leaders can deal with it if it becomes a problem by kicking the TKing member from the squad (so the TKer will suffer penalty if he does it again).

Regarding friendly fire suiciding as a means of griefing, we were brainstorming an idea where selecting the punish option on the death screen would cost the person being team killed some standing or maybe ISK, but relative to their standing level. So the experienced FW players could spend some of their standings to punish the players team killing, without it affecting them too much and prevent people from suicide griefing because they wouldn't have any standings available to spend for punishment (it also being expensive at low levels).

Any thoughts on something like this to help police FF punishment?

I think the trick will be figuring out how to make it expensive on those that use cheap Alts to grief.

thats easy .dont allow cheap alts.