We know that some people are going to look at this and cry pay to win but we disagree. These boosters will not give you anything that you cannot get without the booster. The only thing it does is help you get there faster.

It's still better than completely random.

I still don't understand your hostility toward people bringing up valid concerns about TK.

There have been many comments in this thread from people with lots of experience wIth TK in PC. The concern stemming from the fact that it's unlikely that random teams thrown together will take as much caution as squads of corp members fight to defend their districts in PC and/or participating in a clone pack attack where 36 million ISK of corporate funds were invested.

How are you defining "valid"?
The majority of them are not valid, under any sensible frame of reference outside of,
["But I'd have to play differently, wahhh!"]

For the others, I've either responded in a measured amount, or not yet responded.



THAT, is a valid concern. However, I believe that with the right game mechanics and filters, the issue will primarily resolve itself.
First off, by limiting FW entry to those players with some minimum WP accumilation.
Secondly, with *really* big obnoxious (You Have Invoked Penalty) HUD feedback.
And other sanctions, including but limited to:
- immediate boot from battle and FW ban
- having to pay for damages, as someone recently suggested
- related to that, possibly having 1mil ISK you have to put "in escrow" before joining battle. And if your escrow account drops below minimum, you get ejected.

This last part should be easy for any kind of decent player. Im not that serious a player, but I've just slowly accumilated 10mil without trying, that I'm just sitting on, lol.

How are you defining "valid"?
The majority of them are not valid, under any sensible frame of reference outside of,
["But I'd have to play differently, wahhh!"]

For the others, I've either responded in a measured amount, or not yet responded.



THAT, is a valid concern. However, I believe that with the right game mechanics and filters, the issue will primarily resolve itself.
First off, by limiting FW entry to those players with some minimum WP accumilation.
Secondly, with *really* big obnoxious (You Have Invoked Penalty) HUD feedback.
And other sanctions, including but limited to:
- immediate boot from battle and FW ban
- having to pay for damages, as someone recently suggested
- related to that, possibly having 1mil ISK you have to put "in escrow" before joining battle. And if your escrow account drops below minimum, you get ejected.

This last part should be easy for any kind of decent player. Im not that serious a player, but I've just slowly accumilated 10mil without trying, that I'm just sitting on, lol.

So basically you are saying that although you don't consider yourself a serious player or have any experience with TK in Dust that you feel that you've got a good enough grasp on the play style necessary to avoid 4 team kills over the course of 100s of matches necessary to prevent losing all the standing you've worked for?

I see a lot of people that are concerned that the penalties are too stiff. I've played in somewhere between 50 and a 100 PC matches and I can recall 3 team kills and I use a MD. One of them was me trying to drop a nano hive real quick and accidentally firing a round in the face of a teammate. Another was a teammate running out in front of me while driving an LAV. The other was a careless grenade. Based on my experience can you see how I might have come to my opinion?

There needs to be a way for an EVE player to be able to know what region > system > planet > district their allied mercs are fighting in for FW (good for PC also)

Should either be a chat channel functionality (to benefit EVE and Dust players sharing the same FW channel), or a new grouping system: a grouping system that has both Dust and EVE mercs in which Dust quads are a subsection of, and the EVE mercs can get the fighting locations of those Dust squad(s), and provide exclusively those squads the orbital strikes.

There are other changes we plan to make as well such as having it be the EVE player that earns the orbital strike by capturing a beacon above the district, having the EVE player get LP and a kill report in EVE for providing the orbital strike, and having a battle browser of some kind in EVE so EVE factional warfare pilots can find DUST matches to provide these orbital strikes to
Also we want to look at letting the EVE pilot join the team voice channel to help coordinate the strike. :D

I don't know if it has been said already but using MAG as an example one of the ways to combat team killing was that friendly bullets would take twice as long to kill a teammate, so with full health and a friendly kills you it means he really wanted to kill you. And grenades need like a 75% friendly damage reduction. So mistakes will still be made but a lot less with a small chance to grief if is really necessary. There solved your issue. Dont be afraid to use this great idea just because is coming from another. As the say learn from the past so you don't make the same mistakes.

Regarding friendly fire suiciding as a means of griefing, we were brainstorming an idea where selecting the punish option on the death screen would cost the person being team killed some standing or maybe ISK, but relative to their standing level. So the experienced FW players could spend some of their standings to punish the players team killing, without it affecting them too much and prevent people from suicide griefing because they wouldn't have any standings available to spend for punishment (it also being expensive at low levels).

Any thoughts on something like this to help police FF punishment?

Allow friendly fire on teamkillers without punishment for legit players.
Also a vote to kick is needed.

What's your answer to such a thing happening?

Team deployment. Until then keep your tanks on hold.

Allow friendly fire on teamkillers without punishment for legit players.
Also a vote to kick is needed.

Regarding friendly fire suiciding as a means of griefing, we were brainstorming an idea where selecting the punish option on the death screen would cost the person being team killed some standing or maybe ISK, but relative to their standing level. So the experienced FW players could spend some of their standings to punish the players team killing, without it affecting them too much and prevent people from suicide griefing because they wouldn't have any standings available to spend for punishment (it also being expensive at low levels).

Any thoughts on something like this to help police FF punishment?

Why not remove the entire reason that someone would be griefing, to low others standings and /or cost others income. You do this by doing the by

1. Kicking someone from the match after they reached 5 TK
2. The person TK gets paid the the ISK of their suit destroyed from the one that did the TK. If the TKer has no isk to pay for the friendly TK, auto-kick them.
3. If there are two matches in a row that a player is kicked from a game for TKing, then make it effect their standings, implement an escalating delay to rejoin FW

How do these couple items not make everyone happy, deals with TKing effectively and seems much simpler codewise.

If CCP decide to class friendly damage as an automatic teamkill then vehicle users cannot tank effectively because for trolling and griefing al they have to do is crash 4 LAVs into the tank to get them booted or jump in front of the tank when its moving

I'm talking about people intentionally being team killed, in order to apply the TK penalty to other players.