These are my thoughts. The griefers will be getting way too much power w this system. I could play on my best behavior, essentially abandoning all Minmatar gear and almost where all of my SP is allocated as to not accidentally blow someone up, but that doesn't stop some idiot from literally just running in front of my guns just to be d-bag and send me back to grinding almost a thousand games all in about 15 minutes.

This is a very valid concern. The TK penalty should be based off of ISK-destroyed and not amount of kills.

I hate team killing.

Seriously, it makes my mass driver useless when supporting my allies (they run into my shots so much), my HMG is an accidental team killing machine, and if anyone gets in my stream of scrambler rounds they will die faster than I can say oops.
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Buddy, I like your passion but what if some guy thinks it would be funny to stand near I-Shayz-I and jump in front of him when he starts shooting?

Don't jump on people for bringing up legitimate concerns. I think everyone wants to see this done right.

I agree with this, its way too easy to accidentally TK

FW needs to have more of an organized feel to it and be fought by mercs of a higher level than regular blueberries. Maybe make it so only full squads can join FW

The only other option is to make it so squads can somehow join a game together as a team.

It's still better than completely random.

I still don't understand your hostility toward people bringing up valid concerns about TK.

There have been many comments in this thread from people with lots of experience wIth TK in PC. The concern stemming from the fact that it's unlikely that random teams thrown together will take as much caution as squads of corp members fight to defend their districts in PC and/or participating in a clone pack attack where 36 million ISK of corporate funds were invested.

So basically you are saying that although you don't consider yourself a serious player or have any experience with TK in Dust that you feel that you've got a good enough grasp on the play style necessary to avoid 4 team kills over the course of 100s of matches necessary to prevent losing all the standing you've worked for?

I see a lot of people that are concerned that the penalties are too stiff. I've played in somewhere between 50 and a 100 PC matches and I can recall 3 team kills and I use a MD. One of them was me trying to drop a nano hive real quick and accidentally firing a round in the face of a teammate. Another was a teammate running out in front of me while driving an LAV. The other was a careless grenade. Based on my experience can you see how I might have come to my opinion?

If CCP decide to class friendly damage as an automatic teamkill then vehicle users cannot tank effectively because for trolling and griefing al they have to do is crash 4 LAVs into the tank to get them booted or jump in front of the tank when its moving

Lose a 50k suit means nothing but lose a million and half tank for an ******* really sucks.

I think the trick will be figuring out how to make it expensive on those that use cheap Alts to grief.

I am slightly concerned by how this will impact me as an HAV operator.

I drive around.... a lot of the time people get in my way. You'd think they would wise up and watch out for the 500 tonne tank rushing past.

But they don't, also LAV's like to blow them selves up against me trolling.

How will impacts affect my team mates, and will I be responsible for their deaths if they crash into me?

Quil... I don't think you are addressing the primary concern. Most of the folks posting here probably have the awareness to check fire or make moderately smart decisions. Effectively they can control themselves... you CAN'T control the other guy.

Reality check - in the real world, the majority of individual operator or small unit training that is key to preventing FF focuses heavily on not putting yourself in position to be hit by FF. The reason behind this is because ultimately you can only directly effect your own actions.

THIS.

If you're firing at enemies and suddenly a teammate moves between you and your target, with reduced damage you'd have time to realize and stop shooting or move and avoid the TK.

Not sure what was ambiguous but I'll clarify; my concern about the other guy is not so much about him back shooting me on purpose. It's more focused on the lack of penalty of the guy that steps right into your line of fire or charges in before the grenade goes off. The only person that gets dinged is the shooter...regardless of what the other party's action was.

I think we may be talking past each other. I buy what your saying...I think it's just not as simple as you are describing. Example, let's say my screen and reticle is clear and i'm engaging a target, the blueberry to my immediate flank (i.e. 90 degrees away from the gunline) can flash in front of me in an instant and then we have a problem. This could be from strafe dancing, dodging a grenade, just trying get in on the kill, or maybe not even noticing that I'm there.
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BTW - I like the possible grenade fixes. What's your thought on how to deal with Orbital Strikes?

You're what's wrong with Dust.
It's not for 50 points, it's because the blues can't hold an objective let alone a depot 50 meters away. Why would I let a depot survive that's being used by 3 guys to switch to easy mode swarms?

And I have had times where a blueberry stepped right in front of me at the exact same second as I pulled the trigger.

What about grenades?

Finally lots of players are clueless. The only way to avoid any chance of someone jumping right in front of your fire would be to not shoot if in a group of more than two other players.