I hate team killing.

Seriously, it makes my mass driver useless when supporting my allies (they run into my shots so much), my HMG is an accidental team killing machine, and if anyone gets in my stream of scrambler rounds they will die faster than I can say oops.

Look, I like all of the changes, but really? I mean, would there be a way for me to turn it off? (other players would still be able to kill me)
Not only this, but having it affect your standings...I mean I could accidentally kill 3 players with a mass driver round or grenade in the wrong place at the wrong time. I would hate FW if I spent so long trying to get somewhere, and then all of a sudden I'm back at the beginning because of an accident.

I'd rather just see something like "if you team kill 4 times at level 1 you get kicked". Not being able to earn anything from that round, not being able to earn standings, and wasting your time seems like punishment enough to me.

So.... If a DS gets taken out with 4 people in it and the passenger bails, but the blueberries don't because they don't know any better, what happens? By what has been said here the Pilot cannot play FW any longer. WTF CCP?

If you cant take responsability for your little killing tools, stay in pub matches then.

If you are seriously somehow incapable of looking at your radar before firing your weapon, then you dont belong on a field that affects the balance of power for tens of thousands of EVE players.

I agree with everyone else that 4 TKs seems really harsh. I remember, thinking to myself, back when I used to use an HMG in a small space or chaotic fight that I was going to dread the day that FF was turned on. It seems really unrealistic in my opinion. one poorly thrown grenade or placed OB and you are banned from fighting for that faction for a while? In that case Id be banned all the time.
I came up with two alternate solutions that work well together but also minimize .

1. Implement a forgiveness system. When someone is TKd, on the respawn screen let them have an option to "forgive" the offender. If forgiven it does not count toward your standing with a faction. If not then you take the penalty. This way in case of an accidental TK or a total clusterf*ck involving nade spamming and other unfortunate events, most players will be able to forgive teammates instead of forcing mercs to be punished for accidental events.

2. Require players to reimburse the TKd merc the ISK value of their suit. Total value if unforgiven and a percentage of it if forgiven, Debts are taken out of earning from the battle.

I think that standing penalties makes sense, and a fairly low limit is acceptable only if it resets every 24 hrs. I dont think its too hard to get through a match without killing teammates. Its just on those special occasions where people will get messed up. But by then most players will be at a higher level. This is why the count needs to start again every day. As people get to higher levels it will be harder to reach the max of TKs.

This way people can still grief if they really want to. But the average merc I believe will realize the difference between an accidental or intentional TK.

Integrating the Eve Pilots with comms and oribitals is going to be sick! And the post battle screen, we'll actually see the influence we make.
cannot wait for these updates.
You guys really out did yourself, way to go CCP!

With the new "squad finder", that doesnt really guarantee anything.

Have you considered charging the player who kills an ally the cost of the suit? So if my fit is 100000 ISK and a blueberry team kills me he looses that much ISK and I gain it. In the battle summary you could see the fines you got for team kills. This way you pay for what you break.

How are you defining "valid"?
The majority of them are not valid, under any sensible frame of reference outside of,
["But I'd have to play differently, wahhh!"]

For the others, I've either responded in a measured amount, or not yet responded.



THAT, is a valid concern. However, I believe that with the right game mechanics and filters, the issue will primarily resolve itself.
First off, by limiting FW entry to those players with some minimum WP accumilation.
Secondly, with *really* big obnoxious (You Have Invoked Penalty) HUD feedback.
And other sanctions, including but limited to:
- immediate boot from battle and FW ban
- having to pay for damages, as someone recently suggested
- related to that, possibly having 1mil ISK you have to put "in escrow" before joining battle. And if your escrow account drops below minimum, you get ejected.

This last part should be easy for any kind of decent player. Im not that serious a player, but I've just slowly accumilated 10mil without trying, that I'm just sitting on, lol.

There should be no FF penalty among squads, the squad leaders can deal with it if it becomes a problem by kicking the TKing member from the squad (so the TKer will suffer penalty if he does it again).