We don't want to remove griefing entirely, a little bit here and there can be a healthy thing

Well time to put up the ol RE's and explosives grenades and pull out the flux again :(

if FF is turned on and I park my frigate over the battle and drop the OB that includes some TK does the EVE player get any penalties??

I agree with everyone else that 4 TKs seems really harsh. I remember, thinking to myself, back when I used to use an HMG in a small space or chaotic fight that I was going to dread the day that FF was turned on. It seems really unrealistic in my opinion. one poorly thrown grenade or placed OB and you are banned from fighting for that faction for a while? In that case Id be banned all the time.
I came up with two alternate solutions that work well together but also minimize .

1. Implement a forgiveness system. When someone is TKd, on the respawn screen let them have an option to "forgive" the offender. If forgiven it does not count toward your standing with a faction. If not then you take the penalty. This way in case of an accidental TK or a total clusterf*ck involving nade spamming and other unfortunate events, most players will be able to forgive teammates instead of forcing mercs to be punished for accidental events.

2. Require players to reimburse the TKd merc the ISK value of their suit. Total value if unforgiven and a percentage of it if forgiven, Debts are taken out of earning from the battle.

I think that standing penalties makes sense, and a fairly low limit is acceptable only if it resets every 24 hrs. I dont think its too hard to get through a match without killing teammates. Its just on those special occasions where people will get messed up. But by then most players will be at a higher level. This is why the count needs to start again every day. As people get to higher levels it will be harder to reach the max of TKs.

This way people can still grief if they really want to. But the average merc I believe will realize the difference between an accidental or intentional TK.

Integrating the Eve Pilots with comms and oribitals is going to be sick! And the post battle screen, we'll actually see the influence we make.
cannot wait for these updates.
You guys really out did yourself, way to go CCP!

I agree, I'm excited about the possibilities but some of these things that have to be changed. I'm not QQing or even criticizing. They laid out a rough draft and hopefully they'll take some of our feedback to make it successful.

They admitted that they don't have much experience with TK on. This and the ISK sink that it will be make me think it won't have the participation necessary for it to flourish.

Friendly Fire in public matches? It's AWOX time!

What about jumping with into a friendly line of fire four times to have someone "grind about 800+ matches to get back"?

I do not, as many have said, like the system where 4 team kills will set you back that far. I think that there should be a daily allotment of team kills before any penalty is applied, based on your standings with the Faction. Perhaps at each level, you are allowed that many team kills per day before the penalty is applied (i.e. at level one, you can 'accidentally' kill one blueberry before you begin to lose standing). After you use your daily allotment, the penalty would be applied as outlined in the original post.

I run million-ISK tanks.

What's to stop some asshat from dropping REs from a fresh alt to ruin my day?

Again and again and again? Pilots have a lot to lose from this mechanic. Far more than anyone else does.

I agree with this, its way too easy to accidentally TK

But what if the dude who gets TK'd is an ahole that doesn't forgive just to be an ahole?

I don't think TK is possible without team deploy. The randomness of blueberries will ruin the game mode in my opinion.

FW needs to have more of an organized feel to it and be fought by mercs of a higher level than regular blueberries. Maybe make it so only full squads can join FW

You blow up a **** ing supply depot when I'm playing on your team and it WILL happen. WILL! GUARANTEED! If you're not one of those tankers, I have no beef with you. But I WILL get my point across fairly quickly to all those asshat tankers that blow up supply depots for 50 **** ing points!

With the new "squad finder", that doesnt really guarantee anything.

The only other option is to make it so squads can somehow join a game together as a team.

Oh please.
It's "way too easy" to accidentally kill someone, if you're not particularly TRYING to avoid doing so.
Right now, people dont have all that much of a motivation to do so. So they're not trying. So teammembers still die.

Gimme a break.
Look at your freaking radar, and pay attention. if you dont bother to do that, you will get penalized.
GOOD.

No it's not "the only other option".

Other options have already been suggested in this thread.

With the new "squad finder", that doesnt really guarantee anything.

Have you considered charging the player who kills an ally the cost of the suit? So if my fit is 100000 ISK and a blueberry team kills me he looses that much ISK and I gain it. In the battle summary you could see the fines you got for team kills. This way you pay for what you break.