Same topic same answer

NO RESPECS :-D HAVE A NICE DAY

Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players
Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down

Lol if I get a respec you wont like me.

Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players
Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down

do you understand how bad it would be for you if you give a bunch of beta characters sp resets?

I've had talks with people where in one breathe they say the game is basically a beta and not finished but in the next they are adamantly against respecs because you have to live with your choices.

If you can't see the self defeating nature of this mindset then debate isn't going to be productive.

if you think that qqing for a respec is productive, I've got some bad news.

I've heard some stupid **** in my day, but never any stupid **** that was quite as self indulgent as this.

I don't speak for people that go for FOTM becouse they suck

I don't speak for people that go for FOTM becouse they suck

do you understand how bad it would be for you if you give a bunch of beta characters sp resets?

Yet you're giving the tools for them to FOTM.....

Seen this thread hundred of times on the eve forums. No Respec EVER!!!

There is no need for a respec as there is no limit to how much SP you can get. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from skilling into something else, so why get a respec? Because you're too lazy to actually work to get stuff?

Seen this thread hundred of times on the eve forums. No Respec EVER!!!

This is a different game. Fps players are different. We don't like clicking in space to move around and "fly wile waiting for a month for a skill

Maybe try out those Omega Boosters...that's like a respec.

so what your saying is your a spoiled brat with no patience....noted. No wonder your whole corp turns into a group of howler monkies when you proto stomp.

I just want to keep spreading this out there. A 30 day omega gives you an extra 720,000 SP.

6 months would give you 4.3 mil SP for $192

Sounds like a great deal.

so what your saying is your a spoiled brat with no patience....noted. No wonder your whole corp turns into a group of howler monkies when you proto stomp.

Or perhaps they said F it because they are bored and decide to play a different game.

Don't talk to me about grinding. I don't need a RESPEC. Most vets don't either.

I'd LOVE to see a bunch of the 10 mil guys specialize in one suit with a couple deifferent weapons. Maybe there would be some tougher fights in pubs.

My question to CCP is that if they keep slacking on bringing in a new generation of players or don't increase the influx of fresh blood, what happens then? Everybody will max out and then what, the same ole, same ole, all the time. I agree with Kody, give an optional AURUM paid respec. What would be the harm in that?

You see, the problem here isn't the skill points. It's the quality of the content we currently have. Do you really think that having respecs would save the game even if we still only have 3 game modes and 9 maps? Sure, the new equipment and play style might make it more fun for a few months, but that isn't the answer. We need content that actually improves the game itself. Such as PVE, a player market, more rewards from PC and more viable weapons and armour than a medium suit and an AR.

Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players
Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down

What would you consider FOTM right now?

My question to CCP is that if they keep slacking on bringing in a new generation of players or don't increase the influx of fresh blood, what happens then? Everybody will max out and then what, the same ole, same ole, all the time. I agree with Kody, give an optional AURUM paid respec. What would be the harm in that?

This is a different game. Fps players are different. We don't like clicking in space to move around and "fly" wile waiting for a month for a skill

To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!!

On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time.
I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan.

well, I think it's been addressed, but here it goes:

respecs broaden the gap between the new and the old players. respecs make subtle balance issues glaringly obvious. when that happens the dev team wastes 3 months rebalancing it, often at the expense of new content and 'quality of life' updates. respecs begat more cries for respecs. they also take away the 'history' of your character. if you know a guy, then you know what he's got skilled, and you're surprised when he kills you with a new weapon. if you can buy a respec, or earn a respec, or receive one in any way, then your character has no history. you might as well be able to change your name.

it's unsatisfying, and turns the game into a 'title' not a 'service'.

when you're playing with a new guy in eve, he tells you that he just saw a ship. the first question you ask is 'what was his name?'. because a characters name matters in eve. he will always be that character, with those skills. he will always fly the ships that he's known to fly, and in the manner that he's known to fly.

lastly, respecs create issues with alts. a guy gets a respec, and all his 15mil sp alts are sitting with unspent sp waiting for the flavor of the month to show itself.

There is no need for a respec as there is no limit to how much SP you can get. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from skilling into something else, so why get a respec? Because you're too lazy to actually work to get stuff?

ARs and ARs.

well, I think it's been addressed, but here it goes:

respecs broaden the gap between the new and the old players. respecs make subtle balance issues glaringly obvious. when that happens the dev team wastes 3 months rebalancing it, often at the expense of new content and 'quality of life' updates. respecs begat more cries for respecs. they also take away the 'history' of your character. if you know a guy, then you know what he's got skilled, and you're surprised when he kills you with a new weapon. if you can buy a respec, or earn a respec, or receive one in any way, then your character has no history. you might as well be able to change your name.

it's unsatisfying, and turns the game into a 'title' not a 'service'.

when you're playing with a new guy in eve, he tells you that he just saw a ship. the first question you ask is 'what was his name?'. because a characters name matters in eve. he will always be that character, with those skills. he will always fly the ships that he's known to fly, and in the manner that he's known to fly.

lastly, respecs create issues with alts. a guy gets a respec, and all his 15mil sp alts are sitting with unspent sp waiting for the flavor of the month to show itself.

The last respec was a pretty good while ago (June I believe) and I haven't seen enough new content since then to support your claim that a new respec would jeopardize new content.

And please do not claim the worthless AURUM packs of late as new content...... the weapons and suits were no better than what was already available

the last respec created the assault rifle abyss that we currently live in.

it created the tac-ar debacle.

it wasted 100 pages of forums with qq threads (and still counting)

it wasted development time trying to fix things that were only a little broken before the respec.

it slowed down the whole train. before that last respec we were slated to get racial ar's, racial pistols, racial knives, and more suits very soon. in it's stead we (as a community) threw such a hissy fit that ccp had to literally stop everything and rebalance the game.

Whilst I agree it might give the game some life for a few months, it's still only a short term answer to a long term problem. This game needs to be interesting enough to hold peoples attention for years on end, but it's current iteration cannot achieve that.

Whilst I agree it might give the game some life for a few months, it's still only a short term answer to a long term problem. This game needs to be interesting enough to hold peoples attention for years on end, but it's current iteration cannot achieve that.

How about 3+ months of capping out by continuously playing this mediocre game that should have never come out of beta? Nothing to do with being lazy, and everything to do with Dust not being worth the time investment.

part-timers and soft-core gamers are not ccp's target audience. quitters quit. it's not a problem. more will come. the hardcore will stay. the community becomes flush with people who care about the game, not what's wrong with the game.

CCP's target audience is (or should be if they are savvy business people) anybody with money to spend on AURUM. We are five months into this game since it went public and with the amount of AURUM items they are pushing out it is obvious they need money. It stands to reason that if these "more will come" people were here they wouldn't need to do that. And exactly how long will it take for these "more will come" masses to appear? How long can CCP keep it going at the pace it is going? Player retention and player time in game should be top priorities for them in my opinion, and a respec would definitely retain me in game for a longer period of time.

As it stands right now, I cap out for the week and I'm out until I'm needed for PC. The reason being is that I need so much SP for what I want it seems insurmountable. If I had some SP back that is now useless because of nerfing, it would reinvigorate my interest in the game.

DUST needs every week it can get at this point. Respecs should fall in line with the vehicle rebalance and the release of racial suits and weapon variants.

It would cause a lot of people to come back and check things out. That should be the top priority.

sp that is now 'useless' due to 'nerfing'...

well, I think it's been addressed, but here it goes:

respecs broaden the gap between the new and the old players. respecs make subtle balance issues glaringly obvious. when that happens the dev team wastes 3 months rebalancing it, often at the expense of new content and 'quality of life' updates. respecs begat more cries for respecs. they also take away the 'history' of your character. if you know a guy, then you know what he's got skilled, and you're surprised when he kills you with a new weapon. if you can buy a respec, or earn a respec, or receive one in any way, then your character has no history. you might as well be able to change your name.

it's unsatisfying, and turns the game into a 'title' not a 'service'.

when you're playing with a new guy in eve, he tells you that he just saw a ship. the first question you ask is 'what was his name?'. because a characters name matters in eve. he will always be that character, with those skills. he will always fly the ships that he's known to fly, and in the manner that he's known to fly.

lastly, respecs create issues with alts. a guy gets a respec, and all his 15mil sp alts are sitting with unspent sp waiting for the flavor of the month to show itself.

I think giving respecs for AUR or $$$ would break the spirit of the game.

Proof? This thread which is probably a result of a player who is now regretting his game life choices.

I regret CCPs decision to make dropships garbage then offer me a way out only to pull their collective heads out of their asses months later (one can only hope) leaving me to grind out the SP to get into the only part of DUST that I find enjoyable, doomed to sit on millions of useless SP for the rest of my time with DUST because....oh right, because I wanted to play the game I faithfully tested for over a year and worked through system crash after system crash after buggy ass patch after terrible ass balance pass, but didn't want to smash my system in frustration borne via CCPs astounding incompetence in regards to vehicle balance....

Ahhh, justice.

Ahh you sound like a guy that specialized in windows XP but never learned how to use Linux, OSX, or 7 and customer support is going to be dropping for XP including no more security updates.

What does that have to do with dropships being garbage and literally unplayable against proto squads?

Its an analogy.

What does that have to do with dropships being garbage and literally unplayable against proto squads?

Respecs won't broaden the gap between old and new players, it's a reallocation not compensation.

If you're talking about the cal logi + tac ar & logi lav FOTMs please exit stage left.... They've been adjusted and the flay has been shattered. Atm I don't see any obvious balance issues besides AR > everything else.

Cries for respecs have a little more validity compared to the cries for nerfs from AR fan bois & try hards.

The thing with history in a FPS goes like this; when you fall into a rut of habit and stagnation unless you're one of the elite players, chances are you'll become history. C.O.D, Battlefield, and MAG all let you change your roles and loadouts for the changing maps, battles, and community, keeping things fresh, competitive, and fun while upping the replay value of the games. Dust brought a refreshing change to the community with the respecs becuase it gave players a chance to switch things up.

Make respecs a purchasable item or use the ticket system like before and limit it to 1 character 1 respec per 3-6 month period.

You just sound like another one of those people who'd be annoyed that they'd have to put all their skills back in the same place again.... Reasoning like that is cancer for this game.

What the **** does that have to do with my experience with dropships?

How does that relate to actual ******* gameplay? To RDVs, to crazy ever changing physics, to random and un needed nerfs, to the over effectiveness of AV vs vehicles, to the lack of purpose for logistics ships in DUST 514

Quit pretending what DUST isn't and look at what it is.

So your solution is to have someone spend millions of SP into a path that offers no ISK, no SP, no satisfaction, no purpose, and a rapidly dwindling wallet....and tell them to enjoy, adapt and quit the QQ.

This ******* game.

Shrugs shoulders.

I still have about quarter million in dropships and still use them. I regret none of my expenditures in SP. ... well maybe biotics 5 after they reduced the biotics requirement down to 4 for kit kats.

I was unaware that the omni soldier was a dropship specialist

My bad.

And congrats on your no regrets. Maybe the guys who've grown bored of some of their choices can just go do some PvE, maybe run a few missions. Maybe they can go set up some private games with friends just to kick back, or go in training matches with their corp. You know, they could probably do some exploration and maybe make some ISK with industry while they're at it. Then they can at least have other things to do while they wait to text the next playstyle that hopefully fits them.

I am not stopping them from dropping their current specs and making them train something else.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113147&find=unread

Completely destroys the argument.

CEO Pyrex said it too. Try something new. He's only been in tanks for 2 weeks and is going around being a murder bus.

Also yes, currently respecs have to be done manually and the guys that could possibly code it are busier and more focused on making battles matter, contextualizing FW, bringing the player market to life, and making corporate managers jobs easier and of course the eve-dust link.

So what you're saying is that the team is too small. Ok. Hire more doodz.

Also yes, currently respecs have to be done manually and the guys that could possibly code it are busier and more focused on making battles matter, contextualizing FW, bringing the player market to life, and making corporate managers jobs easier and of course the eve-dust link.

Can you say there will be optional respects in the future?

CUT

Save? You are assuming the game is dead.

Also yes, currently respecs have to be done manually and the guys that could possibly code it are busier and more focused on making battles matter, contextualizing FW, bringing the player market to life, and making corporate managers jobs easier and of course the eve-dust link.

Man I could use a respect.. and I am PISSED that because I had a baby and found out I was eligible for a respect but messed some arbitrary due date, so I can't now. What do you mean. I was/am a dedicated closed beta player. I have put up with glitches and bugs/exploits, testing... But not a valuable enough player to allow a respect?

Man I could use a respect.. and I am PISSED that because I had a baby and found out I was eligible for a respect but messed some arbitrary due date, so I can't now. What do you mean. I was/am a dedicated closed beta player. I have put up with glitches and bugs/exploits, testing... But not a valuable enough player to allow a respect?

Agreed. I still would like a Respec.

However, glad tidings to those who are against Respecs you will note that there are fewer players asking for them since I suspect there are fewer of them still playing.

To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!!

On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time.
I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan.

1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes.
2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u
3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out.
4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u
5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec

All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need.

Just becuase you're happy with your bandwagon choices does not mean the rest of the community is as well.

1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes.
2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u
3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out.
4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u
5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec

All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need.

ofcourse if someone has 24m sp it does not matter, you can get 2 proto suits, 2 proto weapons along with core skills with it.

in short, your tiny scrub ego would get hurt because others would get what they want... that is unfortunately not a valid reason against it but in fact a good reason for it.

No

the well structured and thought out arguments here in this forum are amazing

I have yet to see a valid argument against it in a beta game without content and nonstop major changes and bugs, especially when the game is dying because of myriads of reasons. I can only repeat, the playerbase is already declining nonstop for reasons already mentioned millions of times. respec when all content is done is the only way to bring those people back that already moved to the next game.

the respec is not to chase the next FOTM, the respec is done thus you can speed up balancing process, bugfix process, bring variety into the game and bring fresh air. there is a reason why everyone went for AR, it is known as working, being all around good, easy to use and getting new stuff is risky with the slow balance and bugfix process that we CURRENTLY have. simply as that.

No

A prime example of your average useless blueberry.

I would use my respec to go proto heavy and scout. Bored of the ar, the shotgun and hmg are so much more fun.

I'd ditch my minnie assault and get a Ganja scout.

Minja & Ganja scouts with Knives, Lrs, Smgs, Scr pistols, and maybe a Sniper rifle.

Uplink and RE spam

When there will be a permanent respec option (as in without any drawbacks) at least two things will happen:
1. Some hardcore players will leave because the promise of choices mattering was a thing (stated from the beginning! )that bought them to Dust in the first place.
2. After every patch the battle field will look the same, because everyone will spec into the new patches content.

Another thing that should happen then will be a split of Dust from EVE, as it won't matter for EVE capsuleers in any way - being built upon an entirely different universe mechanics choices.

At least I will surely leave and never look back (not that anyone cares ;)

everyone will spec into the new patches content.

I can go for a 6 month cycle for repecs or a penalty. Not sure on what to use for the penalty howver.

ofcourse if someone has 24m sp it does not matter, you can get 2 proto suits, 2 proto weapons along with core skills with it.

in short, your tiny scrub ego would get hurt because others would get what they want... that is unfortunately not a valid reason against it but in fact a good reason for it.

You snooze you lose! It;s not my fault you were late to the game. I say put all you low sp players back in academy where you belong and let the big dogs duke it out on the field. All you fkers only run milita anyway. Not worth my bullet. Bunch of scared babies hiding all the time. I have one proto suit maxed, 2 guns maxed. The rest is in everything else. I maxed out lav's and DS. You dont hear me crying respec. Theres 7mill wasted. I play everyday way over cap.

You mean its too hard to turn on passive sp and wait a month??

I gave you seven on page 2.

After 20m SP the FoTM weapons literally is non-existent you can spec into at least 4 proto weapons, 2 dropsuits, proto modules and maybe one vehicle. CCP is constantly changing what we use making our decisions made months ago to mean nothing, it might bother veterans but it mainly hurts new players.

Let's say you are new, hence you know nothing of what works and what not and you spec into "X" thing and suddenly one day everything changes and it has no value for you anymore so know you have 1m spent into some crap, go tell those new player " LOL HTFU... CCP just made your loadout utterly useless hahahaha you must farm more SP to be barely useful again" ...mthat player is just going to quit and never look back.

Shrugs shoulders.

I still have about quarter million in dropships and still use them. I regret none of my expenditures in SP. ... well maybe biotics 5 after they reduced the biotics requirement down to 4 for kit kats.

If I was given a respec I am sure I would get accused of cheating because I would probably proto out a few things instead.

Bottom line Veterans make bigger mistakes, and know about the mistakes and brood on them. Giving a rookie a respec verses giving a veteran a respect has some profound amounts of deflection in terms of who gets harmed the most. A veteran can immensely widen the gap on his end by moving further out of reach of the rookie who could still by change and misinformation spend the skill points all wrong again. I mean lets say noob got pwned by tanks often in his ar fit, he decide to respec into tanks and find out they're really paper thin.

NOTHING can save dust at this point! It is circling the drain. Bunch of broken promises equals rage quit. Most people won't come back just out of spite! There are many other FULLY FUNCTIONAL games to play. Dust will NEVER be anything more then a pipe dream. Every update, fk's something up. Getting old real quick.
To all you people buying AUR/OMEGA............LMFAO suckers

If making the game more fun is what you're looking for then there are countless things other than respecs that can do that.

More unique maps and terrain.
PVE
Training rooms
A more meaningful and interactive connection between Eve and DUST.
More suits, weapons, vehicles, equipment and modules.
Secondary market that players can control.
Industry of some form involving districts.
Battles occurring inside Eve spaceships like titans and player-owned customs offices.
Better communication and coordination with faction warfare Eve pilots so that player-controlled orbitals can happen more often.
Loyalty points and faction gear earned for winning faction battles for any faction you like.
Pirate faction gear that requires at least two races trained up to use.
Ability to roam freely on the planets without needing a battle.

I personally think the only argument against respecs is people who like to say 'no respecs' for the sake of saying 'no respecs'.

It's funny too how many of the so called anti respec people happily took advantage of the last respec.



Or those drama queens who have threatened to cancel their EVE subs if DUST ever gets respecs. LMFAO

Poor argument considering most of us MUST spend Sp again in order to do anything and most of the players were rather a bit begrudged because they lost out in the end and was no where near as effective as they used to be.

Poor argument considering most of us MUST spend Sp again in order to do anything and most of the players were rather a bit begrudged because they lost out in the end and was no where near as effective as they used to be.

Because they specced into FOTM


We dont have FOTM right now.And everybody has ARs as it is,so no harm done.

No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyers remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past.

No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyers remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past.

Right becuase speccing scout, dropship, and hmg was sooo FOTM.

im sorry to see you speced into it too deeply befroe you realized it wasn't worth it,here have a repsec and spec into something else,oh whats that you spec into another skill sink,have another... maybe you should learn some SP investment and management skills and get them to lvl 5.

im sorry to see you speced into it too deeply befroe you realized it wasn't worth it,here have a repsec and spec into something else,oh whats that you spec into another skill sink,have another... maybe you should learn some SP investment and management skills and get them to lvl 5.

Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players
Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down

lets see
If we get a respec then everyone with lots of sp will get proto-- so no respec live with what you got
hmmm
those that have lots of sp have proto--so really what they are saying is I don't want competition from the new guys.

Respecs won't hurt the game, but will impact beta people by giving all the new people a chance at making the same mistakes beta did with out living with it, just like beta did not have to.

Respecs will not kill the game it will allow new players to get the same benefits as we all did in the past.

This game is not "release quality" and since things are constantly changing CCP should pay for their decisions not the players.

Lets put it a different way.

New people do the research and spec into a suit because of what the suit provides them, people in other suits now cry because they are not winning as much and so CCP nerfs the new suit and everyone who has it is upset and pays for the nerf. All the people who had the old suits are happy (old guard) and all the new people are screwed. The new want a respec, the old guard say live with it.

Remember old guard when everything was changing so fast and we were constantly getting nerfed or screwed with our investments and the only thing that made it worth while is that we knew a respec was comming. We need to give the new people a chance, also don't be afraid of fighting a fair fight.

TBH I loved knowing I could experiment with everything in the game and knowing that it would be okay because I would get a do over.

But meh, HTFU right?
Yeah I have adapted, adapted right out of this game.



CCP needs to give a respec when they change stuff- it only makes it fair.

Please stop say to people "you made the choice so now live with it". That would be true IF the specs did not change, but they did so by that fact alone the choice was removed from them.

No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyer's remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past.

No to respecs.

You made your choices, live with them. That is life. Tough.

Adjust. That is what I did. Rather than cry about skilling into the SCR, I adjusted my playstyle and now, I have to say, I am damn good with it.

More attention needs to be paid to expanding the game's content, not catering to crybabies that messed up on a couple of things and want the slate wiped clean because of it.

You messed up and skilled into something you didn't mean to? Not anyone else's fault but your own, whether you went for FOTM, your grandma accidentally skilled into Amarr heavy when you are a Gallente scout when you weren't looking or you JUST HAD to have that awesome plasma cannon because...well...it LOOKED cool.

I am not one to rant on here, but a constant call for Respecs irritates me. I know that they will never end, only partially subside, but people need to live with the errors they make. If life had a damn respec, I would be a cardiovascular surgeon. Alas...it doesn't work quite like that.

Adjust. That is what I did. Rather than cry about skilling into the SCR, I adjusted my playstyle and now, I have to say, I am damn good with it.

More attention needs to be paid to expanding the game's content, not catering to crybabies that messed up on a couple of things and want the slate wiped clean because of it.

Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players
Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down

if I got a respec, I would do what I should've done in the first place, get cal assaults with gal ARs! (and ofc join the QQ army)

[EDIT] I specced into scouts nerfed since... ummmmm.... release!

Lets put it a different way.

New people do the research and spec into a suit because of what the suit provides them, people in other suits now cry because they are not winning as much and so CCP nerfs the new suit and everyone who has it is upset and pays for the nerf. All the people who had the old suits are happy (old guard) and all the new people are screwed. The new want a respec, the old guard say live with it.

Hey let's put it yet another different way.

CCP makes a mistake designing a suit to be clearly superior to all other suits. Power gaming players spec into it, thinking that CCP will never catch on, that they will have the advantage the suit provides forever. CCP catches on and balances out, not nerfs, balances out the suit to what it was supposed to be in the first place. Idiot players start crying for a respec, and the old guard are happy that justice finally prevailed.

I think that is way more accurate.

Hey let's put it yet another different way.

CCP makes a mistake designing a suit to be clearly superior to all other suits. Power gaming players spec into it, thinking that CCP will never catch on, that they will have the advantage the suit provides forever. CCP catches on and balances out, not nerfs, balances out the suit to what it was supposed to be in the first place. Idiot players start crying for a respec, and the old guard are happy that justice finally prevailed.

I think that is way more accurate.

Boy them logi dropships were just so OP, I'm so sad that they got nerfed. I'm so sad that my Assault forge gun, duvolles, and Boundless HMGs were all nerfed and whatever will I do?

And this is a living game. Stuff gets added and taken out and modified on a monthly bases.

@KING CHECKMATE....aren't you in the Amarr FW chat channel? I would have expected better from you tbh.

Don't assume that you "know me", bro. You hinted at your reply that I have become good at using the SCR because I use AA? Tell you what....do me a favor and search my posts. As I have stated, I completely loathe AA. You'll find a couple of my posts about it unless they were deleted by the devs. Imo, all that AA does is give bad players a crutch and makes them feel overconfident in their abilities, which in fact IS being assisted and is...bad.

My opinion is my own and in your eyes, it is invalid. I fully support my opinion. A big NO to respecs. Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it wrong, smart guy.

Assuming is for idiots....bro.

You should make more shotgun videos btw. I dug the ones you had back in Chromosome days.

Bad troll go hide under your bridge.
Even trolls would benifit

No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyer's remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past.

No because you'd test everything in one week and then there'd be nothing to play for.
Opening new things is the addiction which keeps people hooked.

No to respecs.

You made your choices, live with them. That is life. Tough.

Adjust. That is what I did. Rather than cry about skilling into the SCR, I adjusted my playstyle and now, I have to say, I am damn good with it.

More attention needs to be paid to expanding the game's content, not catering to crybabies that messed up on a couple of things and want the slate wiped clean because of it.

You messed up and skilled into something you didn't mean to? Not anyone else's fault but your own, whether you went for FOTM, your grandma accidentally skilled into Amarr heavy when you are a Gallente scout when you weren't looking or you JUST HAD to have that awesome plasma cannon because...well...it LOOKED cool.

I am not one to rant on here, but a constant call for Respecs irritates me. I know that they will never end, only partially subside, but people need to live with the errors they make. If life had a damn respec, I would be a cardiovascular surgeon. Alas...it doesn't work quite like that.

How would me getting a respec affect you?

You the best SP investor that has ever graced New Eden!

Why oh great one are you so against people having fun with this game?
As is now I do not play this game.

Does this help or hurt DUST?

Is it better to have people playing this game or not playing because they are bored?

It would sadden me(and probably many others),seeing as i put time and money into game where your decisions(good and bad) somewhat matter and now that concept that made the game what it was against all the other look alikes is all a crook of **** thanks to players crying for a reset button every time something doesnt work for them or too impatient to skill into something.

Im not the best investor ,im just not stupid with my SP and ISK (as should most of the players should be in a game like this)

I dont know how to answer this when the idea of "fun" varies, so ill write is off as a troll question.

why are you here if you don't play anymore move on

@at jack MCready


After giving it some more thought after reading this and sitting on it,with a ever changing game where trends come and go,where interest spawn and die repeativly,where old strategies and suits become obsolete with new content being added in outclassing it, a respec once in a blue moon isn't that much of a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

The respec wouldn't help nor hurt dust but only rub the shoulders of already foot held players already in the game the most, as they had the most time to try many things.You decisions DO matter,they mattter in the way that they build the basis for all future ones and what ever gained from those decisions whether in knowledge or wealth to keep you going to new ones.

Yes the game is like a cointoss when skilling into certain things but i like to think of it as more of gambleing with SP,you could go all in if you want on something new to you(though not wise), i just don't what to hear crying when it doesnt work or last long/should have bet less and demand instant reset.

As for theories how to decide the outcome of a coin toss that's pretty tough as you have no control over the constancy of your investments seeing as CCP like to break things,however you can only decide how much you can lose on the decision if it goes south.

You could watch others toss before you do and bet accordingly or make a throw away alt and spec into something just enough to test it out(good for testing weapon performance and feel) for everything else(like suits,vehicles,etc) you can just run numbers and apply past knowledge and experience and simulate what it would be like.

@at jack MCready


After giving it some more thought after reading this and sitting on it,with a ever changing game where trends come and go,where interest spawn and die repeativly,where old strategies and suits become obsolete with new content being added in outclassing it, a respec once in a blue moon isn't that much of a big deal in the grand scheme of things.The respec wouldn't help nor hurt dust but only rub the shoulders of already foot held players already in the game the most, as they had the most time to try many things.You decisions DO matter,they mattter in the way that they build the basis for all future ones and what ever gained from those decisions whether in knowledge or wealth to keep you going to new ones. Yes the game is like a cointoss when skilling into certain things but i like to think of it as more of gambleing with SP,you could go all in if you want on something new to you(though not wise), i just don't what to hear crying when it doesnt work or last long/should have bet less and demand instant reset.As for theories how to decide the outcome of a coin toss that's pretty tough as you have no control over the constancy of your investments seeing as CCP like to break things,however you can only decide how much you can lose on the decision if it goes south.You could watch others toss before you do and bet accordingly or make a throw away alt and spec into something just enough to test it out(good for testing weapon performance and feel) for everything else(like suits,vehicles,etc) you can just run numbers and apply past knowledge and experience and simulate what it would be like.

I didn't make the decision to release Dust with basic content missing.
I didn't make the decision to release broken or unbalanced content.
I didn't make the decision to take several months to fix existing content.

That's CCP's fault. Choices only matter if you have a choice to begin with. CCP is doing the choices currently.

But you did choose to start playing the game with all the "faults" you mention, and you are probably continuing to play the game and QQ here so... I think the fault is on your shoulders, son.

So did you

Respec or not CCP's wallet is gonna get hurt big time.

Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players
Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down

Respec's are stupid... I Won't say that I will not re-perfect skills for the current times if they are offered... but that really changes the game drastically...

Respec's will only hurt new players more... and benefit high skill point characters to stupid amounts...

We have done this and that is what happened... not to say we didn't like it ;)

If skill multiplyer's are tweaked or how the hierarchy works? CCP is always good at Reimbursing those skill point's so players can re allocate...

But nothing more then that should ever be offered...

It's game breaking...

I'm happy with my choices, the good and the bad, I don't need a respec nor will one "save the game".

This is a F2P game, CCP added aurum items in the hope to make cash, which could be seen as a gamble.

As an EvE subscriber with 4 accounts, I assume their cash flow is pretty cool.

I'm happy with my choices, the good and the bad, I don't need a respec nor will one "save the game".

This is a F2P game, CCP added aurum items in the hope to make cash, which could be seen as a gamble.

As an EvE subscriber with 4 accounts, I assume their cash flow is pretty cool.

again the typical pseudo eltist talk with no valid argument. why do you even bother to reply when you have nothing of value to tell.

and this is not eve.

summed up, arguments for respec:
-The players that dont want them will still take advantage of them
-The players that want/need them will be happy
-Some old players will come back to test new stuff
-CCP gets money to go on releasing stuff
-balancing process speeds up

arguments against:
-some pseudo elitist BS about "decisions" which isnt true at all

It's not eve, but it's in the eve universe.

If you're only good in Proto I've got news for you.
You're not good.

Hey let's put it yet another different way.

CCP makes a mistake designing a suit to be clearly superior to all other suits. Power gaming players spec into it, thinking that CCP will never catch on, that they will have the advantage the suit provides forever. CCP catches on and balances out, not nerfs, balances out the suit to what it was supposed to be in the first place. Idiot players start crying for a respec, and the old guard are happy that justice finally prevailed.

I think that is way more accurate.

Present me a logical case of why a respec is bad. I have not heard of one yet, and don't just say the same old stuff. make your point.

The intention of the game and skill tree is that you spec into one suit and appropriate gun. You use that suit/gun combination until you are extremely proficient with it. Sure you may start getting bored with it, at which point you should start to branch out to a different suit/gun ad. infinitum.

Eventually you should have all suits and weapons and be able to counter anything you meet on the battlefield.

There is no "end game" to this, your character is on a road of constant improvement and with new suits/guns in the future you should never get to a point where you have unlocked everything (most console players expect to unlock everything and can feel a sense of completion, which isn't dust.)

Throw in respecs; people get to a certain SP value, lets say 15M SP. This gives them enough SP to get core skills up, get a proto weapon and suit. They use this suit and get bored of it or realise it was a bad choice, so they then want the easy (no grind) route to respec into something else. If respec were a time-limted thing, i.e. once a year, they are still gunna QQ that they made a bad choice so we are back to square one.

People want the easy route and use statements that it will keep people active or increase player base or (lmfao) speed up the development process. This is GRIND 514, its true, you have to work for your SP and think about what you will spend it on.

Sure I'll get trolled for all what I say, but thats the game CCP have created.

People have a skewed view that respecs will make newer players more competitive, it won't! Vets will be stronger and the gap will be wider. If the planets align and the sun goes dark and CCP add in unlimited respecs, then yes the FotM chasers will be jumping for joy, this is an undeniable fact.

There is no such thing as wasted SP, just poor short term choices and peoples over eagerness. Dust is about the grind, the main issue we have is the game modes and the lack of ways to gain SP. Add more ways to get SP people won't QQ for respecs.

the recent announcments regarding tanks/dropships is the best example why there should be a respec, game is after all still beta.

you are not getting the point. people dont get bored because they invest SP into one thing. people get bored because investing SP into something else than AR is a risk due to the slow development process and that is why they dont invest into anything else. if you invest in something new (that btw took months to get released in the first place) you might end with a broken toy or it might end broken after a "balance patch" and it takes CCP again months to fix.

we are still beta testers, removing the beta flag does not change it, just look at the recent vehicle announcment.

You're making a flawed argument. Of course we are beta testers, we will always be beta testers, the game will always be in beta as I've said before, there is only so much that can be tested by a small amount of people which does not compare to thousands playing the game.

Spec'ing into anything is a risk, everything can be balanced or removed, that's how MMO development works. To say you will end up with a broken toy is narrow minded as its only broken because it doesn't do what it previously did in your eyes.

There are plenty of counters to AR's, the ScR is up there, if you can't see that then that's your lack of skill.

yup. it'd bring a lot of players back (the TARs, flaylocks, etc)