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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:25:00 -
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I've had talks with people where in one breathe they say the game is basically a beta and not finished but in the next they are adamantly against respecs because you have to live with your choices.
If you can't see the self defeating nature of this mindset then debate isn't going to be productive. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:34:00 -
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low genius wrote:Kody Cole wrote:Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down do you understand how bad it would be for you if you give a bunch of beta characters sp resets?
I'm already proto with prof 3 in 4 different weapons.
Proto nades, hives/injectors, uplinks, scanners, biotics, core skills, etc.
Most beta players would hardly see a difference, BUT they might be able to switch to a different role to liven up the game for them. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:35:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Kody Cole wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Lol if I get a respec you wont like me. I don't speak for people that go for FOTM becouse they suck Yet you're giving the tools for them to FOTM.....
What would you consider FOTM right now? |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:39:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:There is no need for a respec as there is no limit to how much SP you can get. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from skilling into something else, so why get a respec? Because you're too lazy to actually work to get stuff?
Or perhaps they said F it because they are bored and decide to play a different game.
Don't talk to me about grinding. I don't need a RESPEC. Most vets don't either.
I'd LOVE to see a bunch of the 10 mil guys specialize in one suit with a couple deifferent weapons. Maybe there would be some tougher fights in pubs. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:42:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:Maybe try out those Omega Boosters...that's like a respec.
I just want to keep spreading this out there. A 30 day omega gives you an extra 720,000 SP.
6 months would give you 4.3 mil SP for $192
Sounds like a great deal. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:18:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Kody Cole wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Lol if I get a respec you wont like me. I don't speak for people that go for FOTM becouse they suck Yet you're giving the tools for them to FOTM..... What would you consider FOTM right now? ARs and ARs.
So you think people are going to RESPEC into something the vast majority of Dust is already specced into and it will be bad? |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:23:00 -
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low genius wrote:
The last respec was a pretty good while ago (June I believe) and I haven't seen enough new content since then to support your claim that a new respec would jeopardize new content.
And please do not claim the worthless AURUM packs of late as new content...... the weapons and suits were no better than what was already available
the last respec created the assault rifle abyss that we currently live in.
it created the tac-ar debacle.
it wasted 100 pages of forums with qq threads (and still counting)
it wasted development time trying to fix things that were only a little broken before the respec.
it slowed down the whole train. before that last respec we were slated to get racial ar's, racial pistols, racial knives, and more suits very soon. in it's stead we (as a community) threw such a hissy fit that ccp had to literally stop everything and rebalance the game.
Lol, talk about being misguided
The AR is always going to be the VAST majority's weapon of choice in an FPS.
Respecs didn't cause any of the core mechanics to suck.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:25:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:
You see, the problem here isn't the skill points. It's the quality of the content we currently have. Do you really think that having respecs would save the game even if we still only have 3 game modes and 9 maps? Sure, the new equipment and play style might make it more fun for a few months, but that isn't the answer. We need content that actually improves the game itself. Such as PVE, a player market, more rewards from PC and more viable weapons and armour than a medium suit and an AR.
Honest to my heart. A repec would at least buy me into Dust for another 6 months..... Whilst I agree it might give the game some life for a few months, it's still only a short term answer to a long term problem. This game needs to be interesting enough to hold peoples attention for years on end, but it's current iteration cannot achieve that.
DUST needs every week it can get at this point. Respecs should fall in line with the vehicle rebalance and the release of racial suits and weapon variants.
It would cause a lot of people to come back and check things out. That should be the top priority. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:15:00 -
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GVGMODE wrote:After 20m SP the FoTM weapons literally is non-existent you can spec into at least 4 proto weapons, 2 dropsuits, proto modules and maybe one vehicle. CCP is constantly changing what we use making our decisions made months ago to mean nothing, it might bother veterans but it mainly hurts new players.
Let's say you are new, hence you know nothing of what works and what not and you spec into "X" thing and suddenly one day everything changes and it has no value for you anymore so know you have 1m spent into some crap, go tell those new player " LOL HTFU... CCP just made your loadout utterly useless hahahaha you must farm more SP to be barely useful again" ...mthat player is just going to quit and never look back.
DING DING DING
We have a winner.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:What the **** does that have to do with my experience with dropships?
How does that relate to actual ******* gameplay? To RDVs, to crazy ever changing physics, to random and un needed nerfs, to the over effectiveness of AV vs vehicles, to the lack of purpose for logistics ships in DUST 514
Quit pretending what DUST isn't and look at what it is.
So your solution is to have someone spend millions of SP into a path that offers no ISK, no SP, no satisfaction, no purpose, and a rapidly dwindling wallet....and tell them to enjoy, adapt and quit the QQ.
This ******* game. Shrugs shoulders. I still have about quarter million in dropships and still use them. I regret none of my expenditures in SP. ... well maybe biotics 5 after they reduced the biotics requirement down to 4 for kit kats. If I was given a respec I am sure I would get accused of cheating because I would probably proto out a few things instead. Bottom line Veterans make bigger mistakes, and know about the mistakes and brood on them. Giving a rookie a respec verses giving a veteran a respect has some profound amounts of deflection in terms of who gets harmed the most. A veteran can immensely widen the gap on his end by moving further out of reach of the rookie who could still by change and misinformation spend the skill points all wrong again. I mean lets say noob got pwned by tanks often in his ar fit, he decide to respec into tanks and find out they're really paper thin.
The gap isn't widened with a respec. I'm at 25 mil SP
-Proto Caldari Logi -Adv Min Assault -Assault Rifle Proficiency 3 -Shotgun Prof 3 -Mass Driver Prof 5 -Swarm Launcher Prof 3 -Grenades L5 -Uplinks, Nanocircuitry, Scanners all L5 -Shields- maxed -Armor L5, plates L3 (no armor repair skills) -CPU L5, PG L4
and on and on
Please tell me where me getting a respec would widen the gap between myself and a newer player who has just about everything under the sun at L3? By 6 or 7 million SP they realize how they want to play and see where they would take their character if given the opportunity.
If given a respec today I'd max out my armor plates with some SP I spent on LLAVs. That's about it.
In my opinion the biggest issue would be that guys like myself will probably get owned by some of the guys I described above. They'll specialize a bit more and be vastly improved on the battlefield.
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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:57:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:Jack McReady wrote:what choice again? this argument was already busted millions of times, but please go on repeating the same nonsense over and over Either you are seriously dense or have zero understanding of the skill system. Is the skill system perfect? No, of course not. Are all the weapons evenly balanced? No. of course not. Will they be "fixed"? Yes, most definitely. Will you be happy with the fixes? No, you will QQ for a respec again. There are millions of choices you can make, both with your skills and the fittings. Weapon not cutting it? Dump on some damage mods and change your play style... You sir, should leave the game if you can't understand the choices available.
Even though I don't believe I can sway your line of thinking I'll proceed anyway.
This game is virtually a beta. The development has been delayed big times due to bumps in the road. Some items have been sitting untouched because of higher priority fixes for MONTHS.
I think it's safe to say that this game isn't 75% finished. By finished I mean FW, racial suits, weapons, and vehicle issues. I understand that this game will always evolve, but we have holes that we can see. There could be an expansion that brings new game modes and such, but with what we currently have you can see VOIDS.
Because of this and because of the ongoing core mechanics that are still being worked on I don't think you can implement the hardcore New Eden mentality at THIS TIME. I don't think we (all those with a vested interest in Dust) have that luxury. We have a playerbase that has been shrinking slowly and we are faced with a new generation console and huge games from established console developers on the horizon.
The people logging into this game I have to believe are largely vets with at least 10 million SP. A respec isn't going to turn this game upside down. I don't think it would even if there were a ton of OP items available to spec into, but this shouldn't be a worry because the game is as balanced from an infantry standpoint as it's EVER been (fellas the AR is the bedrock of any FPS).
And finally, this isn't Eve. It's time for people to accept the fact that on a console FPS this mentality will not appeal to a large enough player base to succeed. This game can still have the depth without running off a ton of people. |
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