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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6538	Posted - 2013.10.01 01:58:00 - [1] - Quote I'd gladly go straight back to where I was before the last respec if Wolfman pulls dropships back into existence.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6540	Posted - 2013.10.01 02:46:00 - [2] - Quote low genius wrote: sp that is now 'useless' due to 'nerfing'... More common would be useless due to lack of interest in a given playstyle after being forced to invest in it in order to properly test it.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6546	Posted - 2013.10.01 03:12:00 - [3] - Quote With how shallow the skill tree is anyways, everyone is just doing everything after a little while anyways. Respecs hurt nothing but fragile egos.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6557	Posted - 2013.10.01 04:59:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think giving respecs for AUR or $$$ would break the spirit of the game. Proof? This thread which is probably a result of a player who is now regretting his game life choices. I regret CCPs decision to make dropships garbage then offer me a way out only to pull their collective heads out of their asses months later (one can only hope) leaving me to grind out the SP to get into the only part of DUST that I find enjoyable, doomed to sit on millions of useless SP for the rest of my time with DUST because....oh right, because I wanted to play the game I faithfully tested for over a year and worked through system crash after system crash after buggy ass patch after terrible ass balance pass, but didn't want to smash my system in frustration borne via CCPs astounding incompetence in regards to vehicle balance.... Ahhh, justice.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6557	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:04:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Ahh you sound like a guy that specialized in windows XP but never learned how to use Linux, OSX, or 7 and customer support is going to be dropping for XP including no more security updates. What does that have to do with dropships being garbage and literally unplayable against proto squads?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6557	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:07:00 - [6] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Ahh you sound like a guy that specialized in windows XP but never learned how to use Linux, OSX, or 7 and customer support is going to be dropping for XP including no more security updates. What does that have to do with dropships being garbage and literally unplayable against proto squads? Its an analogy. Wow. I'm really glad you went ahead and cleared that up for me.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6557	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:11:00 - [7] - Quote What the ** does that have to do with my experience with dropships? How does that relate to actual *** gameplay? To RDVs, to crazy ever changing physics, to random and un needed nerfs, to the over effectiveness of AV vs vehicles, to the lack of purpose for logistics ships in DUST 514 Quit pretending what DUST isn't and look at what it is. So your solution is to have someone spend millions of SP into a path that offers no ISK, no SP, no satisfaction, no purpose, and a rapidly dwindling wallet....and tell them to enjoy, adapt and quit the QQ. This *** game. And for the *** record I have actually made a pretty ***** mean logi ship but it requires a very specific method of flight and supreme situational awarness to survive even in pubs. Under no circumstances would it ever last vs organized proto AV, and it's basically the best fit you can make for a Prometheus
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6557	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:14:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Shrugs shoulders. I still have about quarter million in dropships and still use them. I regret none of my expenditures in SP. ... well maybe biotics 5 after they reduced the biotics requirement down to 4 for kit kats. I was unaware that the omni soldier was a dropship specialist My bad. And congrats on your no regrets. Maybe the guys who've grown bored of some of their choices can just go do some PvE, maybe run a few missions. Maybe they can go set up some private games with friends just to kick back, or go in training matches with their corp. You know, they could probably do some exploration and maybe make some ISK with industry while they're at it. Then they can at least have other things to do while they wait to test the next playstyle that hopefully fits them.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6558	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:24:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am not stopping them from dropping their current specs and making them train something else. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=113147&find=unread Completely destroys the argument. CEO Pyrex said it too. Try something new. He's only been in tanks for 2 weeks and is going around being a murder bus. So the answer to evolving as a player is sitting on SP forever because oh well. I have branched out. How else did I get my Prometheus? How else did I get my HMGs. My ARs. My forge guns. My scouts. My dampeners, scanners, and armor reps. My core skills, my shield skills, my reppers and injectors, and so forth. Branching out is wonderful. Oooh yay more reason to push Omega boosters, because once you as a player personally evolve, tough ****. Your character is stale, static, and is a reflection of your past, instead of a representation of your present. The problem is people thinking DUST skills = EVE skills when there are an incredibly vast number of reasons why this simply isn't so.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6561	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:41:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also yes, currently respecs have to be done manually and the guys that could possibly code it are busier and more focused on making battles matter, contextualizing FW, bringing the player market to life, and making corporate managers jobs easier and of course the eve-dust link. So what you're saying is that the team is too small. Ok. Hire more doodz.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6567	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:45:00 - [11] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: People saying ''no more respecs'' cannot stop people wanting them from asking. At the end of the day, what the playerbase wants is what the company making the game should care. In its current state, arespec would make the game more entretaining and fun, and CCP really needs this. Agreed. I still would like a Respec. However, glad tidings to those who are against Respecs you will note that there are fewer players asking for them since I suspect there are fewer of them still playing. Considering the only content worth a damn won't be here until after PS4 drops....yea, you're probably right. But hey, better to punish your beta testers, both closed beta testers and the current open beta testers, by forcing them to ride the roller coaster that is CCP balance. When we have 2000 players at peak time, I bet those purists will be so proud of their choices.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6567	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:15:00 - [12] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Just becuase you're happy with your bandwagon choices does not mean the rest of the community is as well. Also note how he is a regular AUR purchaser thanks to non stop boosters. Of course he's happy, the SP tree is so shallow when you have that much SP it doesn't make much of a difference WHAT you spec into, you have to actually try to **** up your build at that point.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6570	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:45:00 - [13] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: No A prime example of your average useless blueberry.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6572	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:24:00 - [14] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: everyone will spec into the new patches content. Believe it or not, plenty of us would spec into things we enjoy. And if you had any faith in CCP as a developer of DUST, you'd have faith in reasonable content always being added, reducing the chance of it getting "stale", which is absurd anyways, since the only reason the game is "stale" is because it's AAAR 514 right now. If CCP knew how to balance and release content at a reasonable speed, this wouldn't be an issue even if you had at will respecs.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6591	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:24:00 - [15] - Quote I personally think the only argument against respecs is people who like to say 'no respecs' for the sake of saying 'no respecs'. It's funny too how many of the so called anti respec people happily took advantage of the last respec. Or those drama queens who have threatened to cancel their EVE subs if DUST ever gets respecs. LMFAO
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6593	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:32:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I personally think the only argument against respecs is people who like to say 'no respecs' for the sake of saying 'no respecs'. It's funny too how many of the so called anti respec people happily took advantage of the last respec. Or those drama queens who have threatened to cancel their EVE subs if DUST ever gets respecs. LMFAO Poor argument considering most of us MUST spend Sp again in order to do anything and most of the players were rather a bit begrudged because they lost out in the end and was no where near as effective as they used to be. What? No really....what? That post makes no sense to me >_< Are you saying that people who respec'd were upset? If you take your respecs and waste them on bad builds, you just have to wait for your cooldown to burn out and you can respec again. People who cry about people gaining an advantage with respecs are probably not too good at this game. I can confidently say you could give at least 70% of this community 20 million SP and all the ISK they could handle and I would STILL top pubs with 0 SP and militia gear. If SP is supposed to be < player skill then respecs would never ever harm balance because player skill > SP It's strictly a matter of having fun, something DUST most certainly does not support (not anymore so than any other dry shooter out there)
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6597	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:43:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Because they specced into FOTM We dont have FOTM right now.And everybody has ARs as it is,so no harm done. What's most amusing is that CCP should actually be frothing at the mouth for people to be able to spec FOTM at will, as this will allow them to quickly and accurately identify balance issues, allowing them to address them and be done with it. Since everyone will have the option to respec, it won't hurt so bad when CCP balances things out. It's painfully clear that we the player base are infinitely more aware of how to break CCPs game (outside of code) so it stands to reason that while we're still in beta, we be given the proper tools to beta test and assure that this game reaches a solid, stable point, where diversity is king.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6598	Posted - 2013.10.01 21:57:00 - [18] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyers remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past. Because people never get bored, and never change their minds, or develop new playstyles. It's always because someone was trying to game the system. FOTM only effects players without too much personal skill anyways, in which case no amount of respecs is going to help them regardless. If it's truly unbalanced, then you should be leaping for joy that it's being made obvious so CCP can address it. If it's just good, then get good or keep dying scrub.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6604	Posted - 2013.10.01 23:44:00 - [19] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Adjust. That is what I did. Rather than cry about skilling into the SCR, I adjusted my playstyle and now, I have to say, I am damn good with it. More attention needs to be paid to expanding the game's content, not catering to crybabies that messed up on a couple of things and want the slate wiped clean because of it. If I can be bothered to put in a full day of play anymore, it typically goes as such. Call in BPO LAV, a LOT. Not that I don't have the skill points invested in LAVs, because I do, but because it's free and effective for its intended role; rapid transport. I will be wearing one of three likely suits at this point: my militia winmatar logi with two equip slots, runnin logi like a boss, dropin bitches with the exile. Or maybe I'm in my militia heavy, still rockin that exile cuz FUUU LITIA 'MG!! Or I'm in my type two heavy with my Ishukone because spanking tanks is fun, and if I'm not allowed to enjoy the air above me in my glorious prometheus (oh by the way, did you know I have those too? Damn good ones, actually. Not even maxed out but what's a couple % between friends?) then NO ONE is allowed to enjoy flying, while I am around...except those fortunate enough to be on my team, since I no longer troll "friendlies" Now of course assuming I'm not running in my scout stealth shotgun suit, which I have skilled into advanced (I'm skilled into advance in tons of **** >_<), and damn dat scanner. I might use the one with nova knives though. Now don't let that fool you, I have full proto fits, Wrath and Retribution, HMG and AR heavies, respectively. I have enough stockpiled, but I generally will not touch them because I have been on a self imposed squad ban since shortly after "Official Release" ::wink wink:: and since I fly my glorious Prometheus...well lets just say my rent is high and my job is kind of like working at mc donalds, except you don't actually work there, you just kinda wander around and look for change and eat garbage. It's wonderful. But of course sometimes I just need to be dropping uplinks with my scout, since I logi with a needle like a REAL LOGI!! (I'm not hatin', PC does things to people) or maybe I pull out my Madrugar (bitches didn't know?) You'd be amazed what you can get done with low level skills. I have all sorts of fun mental issues, if one could not ascertain from my whimsicle rants and wines that you all love to hate so much. It's ok. I understand. Anywaaays, I literally cannot watch that SP number sit there for too long >_< I get antsy and it agitates me and it needs to be spent or somewhere that I can't see it. I rather enjoyed EVE style of just putting it in the queue and forgetting about it, but we can't have passive SP because CCPs game can't support sales without milking SP for everything that it's worth. Even though they still could, point is, games waaaaaaaaaaaay too boring without that feeling of NEEDing to cap. Which mind you I played religiously all throughout closed and open beta, and while I'm sitting on 16 million SP, stompin' noobs like goombas with 'litia gear, I haven't capped basically since shortly after the my 1.2 dropship nightmare. I can confidently say it was the worst two weeks of gaming in my life. This has turned into a rant but I think the above is technically relevant, I bid you all, GOOD DAY!! Oh ok TL;DR: Respecs help because it's so easy to have skill points that just sit there doing nothing because a playstyle doesn't appeal to you anymore, or you simply have no need for it. If you aren't terrible like a blueberry, you can stomp goombas like its hot all day no matter how much more SP and gear they have than you. Sorry, I crush you sad little proto stompers (not all of you, get out of pubs you trolls! Solo only) with militia gear. IN AN FPS, SP ONLY MATTERS IF IT'S FUN
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6612	Posted - 2013.10.02 00:45:00 - [20] - Quote Fist Groinpunch wrote: Hey let's put it yet another different way. CCP makes a mistake designing a suit to be clearly superior to all other suits. Power gaming players spec into it, thinking that CCP will never catch on, that they will have the advantage the suit provides forever. CCP catches on and balances out, not nerfs, balances out the suit to what it was supposed to be in the first place. Idiot players start crying for a respec, and the old guard are happy that justice finally prevailed. I think that is way more accurate. Boy them logi dropships were just so OP, I'm so sad that they got nerfed. I'm so sad that my Assault forge gun, duvolles, and Boundless HMGs were all nerfed and whatever will I do?

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6620	Posted - 2013.10.02 01:19:00 - [21] - Quote Fist Groinpunch wrote: And this is a living game. Stuff gets added and taken out and modified on a monthly bases. Not sure what game you've been playing, but actual content has been sparse, and quite far from on a monthly basis, even AFTER they claimed to be moving into said patch schedule (I get they're just people and they will have to take their time, it's just impossible to take CCP at their word anymore)
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6621	Posted - 2013.10.02 01:35:00 - [22] - Quote I don't mean to come off as hostile, I'm just generally fuming in regards to this game these days, particularly because I don't play that often anymore. Bugs a plenty though, that's for sure. I watched a Drophip take up half the sky the other day. It was.....odd.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6624	Posted - 2013.10.02 03:27:00 - [23] - Quote Fist Groinpunch wrote: You should make more shotgun videos btw. I dug the ones you had back in Chromosome days. Thanks, I just need to start recording again, I kind of put a halt on most of my DUST activity a few weeks after Uprising.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6653	Posted - 2013.10.02 21:12:00 - [24] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: If you're only good in Proto I've got news for you. You're not good. Which is why respecs are good, because good players crush no matter what gear they use, and bad players get crushed no matter what gear they use. As someone who solo pub stomps in militia gear, I'll happily take the increased competition that letting others enjoy the game more would allow. Respecs for all ^_^
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6702	Posted - 2013.10.03 13:45:00 - [25] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Kody Cole wrote: Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down +1. CCP needs to realize, RESPECS = REPLAY VALUE. REPLAY VALUE = Good game. yup. it'd bring a lot of players back (the TARs, flaylocks, etc) And contrary to popular opinion, a 10 million SP character does not become a 100 million SP character upon respec. Most of these people are refusing to accept that our skill tree is still very shallow. plenty of people already have the best build for their role. This is strictly about making the game fresh, as well as helping out vehicle users upset by the chamges, or infantry players that are intrigued by them.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6707	Posted - 2013.10.03 15:57:00 - [26] - Quote Fist Groinpunch wrote: 95% of the time I use a TAR. Which is still a sick gun even after it was toned down by CCP. As to respecs, its simple enough. Giving out respecs creates a FOTM culture. Cal Logi is the best suit, skill into that. Now they nerfed it, skill into Cal Assault. Huge armor buff? Everybody skill into Gal Assault now. And the same with the weapons. TAR OP? Yeah get some of that. When they nerf it, skill into flaylocks. Then when that weapon is painfully average lets all skill into the AR because the new hit scan mechanics make it unbeatable. Respecs remove diversity in the game. When there are no respecs, people have to live with their choices. Sure, some weapons/suits may not be as effective at point X, but they will be again after patch Y hits. Exactly the opposite, referring to the bolded and underlined. Beieve it or not, only a small % of any given games player base are power gamers. Surprisingly enough, these players also tend to make up the "top" end of the spectrum. What you describe as a fear (FOTM) I see as a brilliant opportunity for CCP to hammer out balance over the next 6 months or so. First and foremost, gamers gonna power game. If a game is actually balanced, then they will only ever attain a reasonable % advantage, instead of an I win. This means that in a balanced environment with plenty of choice and customization, no given fit will drastically overshadow and other given fit. Move on to the fact that in DUST, player skill is the most important skill. I know plenty of monsters in this game, and in others. Hell, in pubs I AM a fiend most of the time (not always though ) and I just use militia garbage or advanced stuff 90% of the time, not counting my Ishukone because God gun is God gun Respecs promote diversity because contrary to popular belief, people generally skill into things that they find fun, or to skill away from things that are impossibly infuriating......
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6708	Posted - 2013.10.03 16:06:00 - [27] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: I agree and don't deny much of what you say. We have holes, we have core mechanic issues etc. I just don't believe a respec will help, we would need multiple respecs to keep people happy. There will always be a group that wants another, so the cycle would continue. Which is why I've always been a supporter of a slow and steady skill reallocation system, that gives everyone 1 buyback point per week of active play. That buyback point can be saved for as long as you like, and they stack. When selecting any skill that you have ranks in, another option will be present that says "Buyback". Clicking on that brings you to the buyback interface, which allows you to spend buyback points equal to or less than the total amount of SP in said skill. Buying back X ranks takes X buyback points, which are gone forever once used. Any SP invested in said skill is returned to the players SP pool, and the skill ranks are reversed. The skill still remains unlocked, and you are thusly not refunded for you skill book.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6711	Posted - 2013.10.03 16:58:00 - [28] - Quote Fist Groinpunch wrote: There will be even more Duvolle-armed Gal/Cal assaults then there are now, because scouts and heavies will skill into them too. And a bunch of Minmatar/Amarr players. And why would players skill into sub-optimal suits/weapons if they got a respec? This is a competitive game. Playing at a disadvantage will make you die more. As I've mentioned, power gamers will power game. You know what the power gamers are doing? Investing their SP in "optimal" things. Respecs don't change this, they only up the ante because it allows other people to play something more optimally, or more to their liking. There is already pretty miniscule diversity just in terms of what we have to run and how minute the differences really tend to be. I for one would welcome the challenge, although I will back up in the skies for the rest of my time with DUST, be it a few months, a few years, or more. I already crap all over pubs using militia gear and I've never entered a PC match that hasn't frozen my PS3 in the first few minutes. So. Yea, power gamers will power game, and surprise surprise, they already have been. There is no competition in most of this game because most of this games population SUCKS. (sorry blueberries, <3 you)
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6716	Posted - 2013.10.03 18:32:00 - [29] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: This has got to be blowing your mind, I want to be a Caldari logi. Mind blown yet. I would go for the horrendously OP logistics support dropship role, with a prime focus on logistics. I will do so even with only a Grimsnes, because I'm a fuckin boss pilot, and I will rep all the doodz.

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