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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:22:00 -
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Kody Cole wrote:Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down
+1. CCP needs to realize, RESPECS = REPLAY VALUE.
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:29:00 -
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low genius wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kody Cole wrote:Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down +1. CCP needs to realize, RESPECS = REPLAY VALUE.
REPLAY VALUE = Good game. I've heard some stupid **** in my day, but never any stupid **** that was quite as self indulgent as this.
Your decision to only isnult me instead of discussing my opinion makes me realize how true my statement is. Ty. |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:37:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Seen this thread hundred of times on the eve forums. No Respec EVER!!!
You are in for 1000's more.... |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:43:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Kody Cole wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Seen this thread hundred of times on the eve forums. No Respec EVER!!! This is a different game. Fps players are different. We don't like clicking in space to move around and "fly wile waiting for a month for a skill so what your saying is your a spoiled brat with no patience....noted. No wonder your whole corp turns into a group of howler monkies when you proto stomp.
In my case what i lack is time. |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:44:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Luk Manag wrote:Maybe try out those Omega Boosters...that's like a respec. I just want to keep spreading this out there. A 30 day omega gives you an extra 720,000 SP. 6 months would give you 4.3 mil SP for $192 Sounds like a great deal.
Pay to win kind of deal. |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:54:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:
You see, the problem here isn't the skill points. It's the quality of the content we currently have. Do you really think that having respecs would save the game even if we still only have 3 game modes and 9 maps? Sure, the new equipment and play style might make it more fun for a few months, but that isn't the answer. We need content that actually improves the game itself. Such as PVE, a player market, more rewards from PC and more viable weapons and armour than a medium suit and an AR.
Honest to my heart. A repec would at least buy me into Dust for another 6 months..... |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:19:00 -
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low genius wrote:
well, I think it's been addressed, but here it goes:
respecs broaden the gap between the new and the old players. respecs make subtle balance issues glaringly obvious. when that happens the dev team wastes 3 months rebalancing it, often at the expense of new content and 'quality of life' updates. respecs begat more cries for respecs. they also take away the 'history' of your character. if you know a guy, then you know what he's got skilled, and you're surprised when he kills you with a new weapon. if you can buy a respec, or earn a respec, or receive one in any way, then your character has no history. you might as well be able to change your name.
it's unsatisfying, and turns the game into a 'title' not a 'service'.
when you're playing with a new guy in eve, he tells you that he just saw a ship. the first question you ask is 'what was his name?'. because a characters name matters in eve. he will always be that character, with those skills. he will always fly the ships that he's known to fly, and in the manner that he's known to fly.
lastly, respecs create issues with alts. a guy gets a respec, and all his 15mil sp alts are sitting with unspent sp waiting for the flavor of the month to show itself.
1-''respecs broaden the gap between the new and the old players''.: NOT true. Lack of respecs do. When a new player realizes hes no good with the assault scrambler rifle ,. and decides he could play better with the mass driver, hes stuck using a weapon he does not excel with. Not to mention people spending SP in stuff that works different of what they expected , or bought something they really didnt need but they thought they did, etc... WASTED SP.
2-'' respecs begat more cries for respecs'' A permanent Respec option doesn't.
3- ''they also take away the 'history' of your character. if you know a guy, then you know what he's got skilled, and you're surprised when he kills you with a new weapon. if you can buy a respec, or earn a respec, or receive one in any way, then your character has no history. you might as well be able to change your name.'' - yeah we should also be able to change our name. So? its not like the PSN account changes....This ''history'' thing you talk of. its total BS and you know it. Players play to have fun in a game not to have their (unavoidable) errors mark them forever. i bet, -++ of the people against Repsecs use Assault rifles,becaue they are confty with the decision they made since the weapon will always be overall good. Its not FOTM but its the safest bet.
4-''when you're playing with a new guy in eve,'' Lost me there bro This is NOT EVE. Its like me telling you, when you play with a dude in MAG.... i mean, different games. But at leat MAG is the same genre...
5-''lastly, respecs create issues with alts. a guy gets a respec, and all his 15mil sp alts are sitting with unspent sp waiting for the flavor of the month to show itself.'' - 1st, we dont have e FOTM right now showing CCP actually got some balance going. 2nd-if a FOTM appears, CCP will be able to notice it FASTER with respecs than without them,there by able to adress a fix.
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:23:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:
You see, the problem here isn't the skill points. It's the quality of the content we currently have. Do you really think that having respecs would save the game even if we still only have 3 game modes and 9 maps? Sure, the new equipment and play style might make it more fun for a few months, but that isn't the answer. We need content that actually improves the game itself. Such as PVE, a player market, more rewards from PC and more viable weapons and armour than a medium suit and an AR.
Honest to my heart. A repec would at least buy me into Dust for another 6 months..... Whilst I agree it might give the game some life for a few months, it's still only a short term answer to a long term problem. This game needs to be interesting enough to hold peoples attention for years on end, but it's current iteration cannot achieve that.
Agreed.
And while they do it interesting, replay value keeps the players playing Dust. |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 04:33:00 -
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People saying ''no more respecs'' cannot stop people wanting them from asking.
At the end of the day, what the playerbase wants is what the company making the game should care. In its current state, arespec would make the game more entretaining and fun, and CCP really needs this. |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:14:00 -
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I still cant honestly understand why they wont give us respecs. -The players that dont want them will still take advantage of them -The players that want/need them will be happy -Some old players will come back to test new stuff
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:17:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:People saying ''no more respecs'' cannot stop people wanting them from asking.
At the end of the day, what the playerbase wants is what the company making the game should care. In its current state, arespec would make the game more entretaining and fun, and CCP really needs this. If making the game more fun is what you're looking for then there are countless things other than respecs that can do that. More unique maps and terrain. PVE Training rooms A more meaningful and interactive connection between Eve and DUST. More suits, weapons, vehicles, equipment and modules. Secondary market that players can control. Industry of some form involving districts. Battles occurring inside Eve spaceships like titans and player-owned customs offices. Better communication and coordination with faction warfare Eve pilots so that player-controlled orbitals can happen more often. Loyalty points and faction gear earned for winning faction battles for any faction you like. Pirate faction gear that requires at least two races trained up to use. Ability to roam freely on the planets without needing a battle.
Agreed,but while we get all of those (years) with a respec at least we can change play styles while playing the same maps,with the same people,over and over again... |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I personally think the only argument against respecs is people who like to say 'no respecs' for the sake of saying 'no respecs'. It's funny too how many of the so called anti respec people happily took advantage of the last respec. Or those drama queens who have threatened to cancel their EVE subs if DUST ever gets respecs. LMFAO Poor argument considering most of us MUST spend Sp again in order to do anything and most of the players were rather a bit begrudged because they lost out in the end and was no where near as effective as they used to be.
Because they specced into FOTM
We dont have FOTM right now.And everybody has ARs as it is,so no harm done. |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 23:16:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyer's remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past.
I never played FOTM. I want a respec. Your opinion=
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Posted - 2013.10.01 23:22:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:No to respecs.
You made your choices, live with them. That is life. Tough.
Adjust. That is what I did. Rather than cry about skilling into the SCR, I adjusted my playstyle and now, I have to say, I am damn good with it.
More attention needs to be paid to expanding the game's content, not catering to crybabies that messed up on a couple of things and want the slate wiped clean because of it.
You messed up and skilled into something you didn't mean to? Not anyone else's fault but your own, whether you went for FOTM, your grandma accidentally skilled into Amarr heavy when you are a Gallente scout when you weren't looking or you JUST HAD to have that awesome plasma cannon because...well...it LOOKED cool.
I am not one to rant on here, but a constant call for Respecs irritates me. I know that they will never end, only partially subside, but people need to live with the errors they make. If life had a damn respec, I would be a cardiovascular surgeon. Alas...it doesn't work quite like that.
'You made your choices, live with them. That is life. Tough.'' My choices were changed by CCP.Not permanent choices = ability to change them
''Adjust. That is what I did. Rather than cry about skilling into the SCR, I adjusted my playstyle and now, I have to say, I am damn good with it.'' Its call Aim assist bro.
''I am not one to rant on here, but a constant call for Respecs irritates me'' Nobody cares if players get ''irritated''. Who are you Vladi putin? You can get all the irritation you want. We dont care.We will keep asking for respecs,because thats what the community wants.
'' If life had a damn respec,'' comparing Dust; a game ,with life makes me realize the type of people we deal with while discussing respecs.
Plus , Respecs come with NO harm,and all benefits, for EVERYONE.... |
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Posted - 2013.10.01 23:57:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:Kody Cole wrote:Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down if I got a respec, I would do what I should've done in the first place, get cal assaults with gal ARs! (and ofc join the QQ army) [EDIT] I specced into scouts nerfed since... ummmmm.... release!
Dude i was owning with Proto Scram and Proto Assault Amarr and when we got the respec in speccd into Scouts : / so i feel you... |
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Fist Groinpunch wrote:Blood Immortal wrote:Lets put it a different way.
New people do the research and spec into a suit because of what the suit provides them, people in other suits now cry because they are not winning as much and so CCP nerfs the new suit and everyone who has it is upset and pays for the nerf. All the people who had the old suits are happy (old guard) and all the new people are screwed. The new want a respec, the old guard say live with it.
Hey let's put it yet another different way. CCP makes a mistake designing a suit to be clearly superior to all other suits. Power gaming players spec into it, thinking that CCP will never catch on, that they will have the advantage the suit provides forever. CCP catches on and balances out, not nerfs, balances out the suit to what it was supposed to be in the first place. Idiot players start crying for a respec, and the old guard are happy that justice finally prevailed. I think that is way more accurate.
Lets put it this way. Most of the people that SPecced into Cal Logis are now effectivley Dual tanking with 4 Cx Shield ext and 4 enh armor plates. They dont want a respec.
MOST people that want respecs, its not because they were FOTM,but for SEVERAl,other reasons. |
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Posted - 2013.10.02 01:42:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:@KING CHECKMATE....aren't you in the Amarr FW chat channel? I would have expected better from you tbh.
Don't assume that you "know me", bro. You hinted at your reply that I have become good at using the SCR because I use AA? Tell you what....do me a favor and search my posts. As I have stated, I completely loathe AA. You'll find a couple of my posts about it unless they were deleted by the devs. Imo, all that AA does is give bad players a crutch and makes them feel overconfident in their abilities, which in fact IS being assisted and is...bad.
My opinion is my own and in your eyes, it is invalid. I fully support my opinion. A big NO to respecs. Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it wrong, smart guy.
Assuming is for idiots....bro.
And yet,you assume i have time for you/care for what you say . LOL |
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:53:00 -
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That was fun. Now Back to the main thread.... |
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Posted - 2013.10.03 21:39:00 -
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If i get a respec i will probably go Proto Commando Or Proto amarr assault. Also invest HEAVILY in vehicles. Probably shield tanks.
talk about FOTM. |
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:28:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:
Now I understand. With the advent of auto-aim, speed doesn't mean as much as raw HP. We should be talking about buffing scouts, not giving up on scouts to try other things. Given the weaknesses of stealth, why not give the scout more HP? My little brother plays a proto-scout, and it mostly isn't useful except in a few special cases (activities that don't involve brawls with lots of bullets flying around). Scouts as a class might make more sense if there were larger matches (32v32), but as it is, a winning team can't really afford more than one or two scouts. If they ever get their active camouflage, and it works well enough to enhance their surviveability in an auto-aim brawl, it might work, but right now, a winning team needs heavy hitters.
Jack makes a good point too - about vehicle changes - I would be upset if I was focused on assault dropships and they announced they would be removed for an unspecified period as part of some 'back-to-the-basics' design scheme. That's just sad. It clearly announces that the original plan has been scrapped, and instead of tweaking numbers, they're just going to start over and try again. In light of this, I would be OK with some type of respec-option, as long as it was clearly defined as an (apology)/(thank you) to the testers, and not a permanent element of the game design.
Thanks for the simpathy, but good scouts are not F****d over because of Aim assist. I can still rip apart any heavy with my Ishi SMG in matter of seconds. We are f**** over because now every logi ( -+ of every enemy team) Carries Proto Active scanners. Me myself as a Proto Minnie + (i HAD TO use 1 of my only 2 low slots for this, while logis sacrifice 1 out of 3-4...) Proto Profile dampener STILL get scanned -++ of the time.
Remove Active scanners or make them scout only and scouts will have a fighting chance.
Never the less, if i get a respec,as i mentioned before , im thinking taking of another path. Some people liek o chancge play styles every now and then.... |
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:40:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:
A better option than removing or changing active scanners would be to lower the scout's profile (not all light frames - just the scout suit.) to be able to beat most scanners.
I'd flip the **** out if active scanners got messed with too much, but running a stable active scanner shouldn't let me ping pretty much every scout out there.
At proto level, a scout should NEVER be detected. Period. Its their thing! even their bonus.
But you are right
Another option is increasing their bonus gain:
-10% reduction to profile per level. |
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:43:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:With a respec I'll be maxing both scouts.
Gallente for sniping/recon, stealth ops. Minnie for hit & run, kamikaze, smg r@pe fest, and uplink runner.
I feel dirty when I kill a scout in my assault suit.....
I do think CCP needs to do that game-wide respec the same as when Uprising first hit.
I would LOVE to spend ALL my 16 mil in Commando. See if i can do something with that suit.
Probably would run 1 cx shield Ext , 1 Cs Light damage mod , 1 Kin Kat, Rep Nanos and (Swarms + Gek) or (ARSC + /Mass)
I would suck so bad, but im sure it would be fun....
@pew jackson, a scout at proto level with 1 ADV profile dampner ,should be able to evade ALL scanners. ALL .... SCANNERS....
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:46:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Run dual PLC
TAC + AR = OP LOL
Or Exo mass + Assault Mass XD |
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