Either you are seriously dense or have zero understanding of the skill system. Is the skill system perfect? No, of course not. Are all the weapons evenly balanced? No. of course not. Will they be "fixed"? Yes, most definitely. Will you be happy with the fixes? No, you will QQ for a respec again.

There are millions of choices you can make, both with your skills and the fittings. Weapon not cutting it? Dump on some damage mods and change your play style...

You sir, should leave the game if you can't understand the choices available.

95% of the time I use a TAR. Which is still a sick gun even after it was toned down by CCP.

As to respecs, its simple enough. Giving out respecs creates a FOTM culture. Cal Logi is the best suit, skill into that. Now they nerfed it, skill into Cal Assault. Huge armor buff? Everybody skill into Gal Assault now. And the same with the weapons. TAR OP? Yeah get some of that. When they nerf it, skill into flaylocks. Then when that weapon is painfully average lets all skill into the AR because the new hit scan mechanics make it unbeatable.

Respecs remove diversity in the game.

When there are no respecs, people have to live with their choices. Sure, some weapons/suits may not be as effective at point X, but they will be again after patch Y hits.

Even though I don't believe I can sway your line of thinking I'll proceed anyway.

This game is virtually a beta. The development has been delayed big times due to bumps in the road. Some items have been sitting untouched because of higher priority fixes for MONTHS.

I think it's safe to say that this game isn't 75% finished. By finished I mean FW, racial suits, weapons, and vehicle issues. I understand that this game will always evolve, but we have holes that we can see. There could be an expansion that brings new game modes and such, but with what we currently have you can see VOIDS.

Because of this and because of the ongoing core mechanics that are still being worked on I don't think you can implement the hardcore New Eden mentality at THIS TIME. I don't think we (all those with a vested interest in Dust) have that luxury. We have a playerbase that has been shrinking slowly and we are faced with a new generation console and huge games from established console developers on the horizon.

The people logging into this game I have to believe are largely vets with at least 10 million SP. A respec isn't going to turn this game upside down. I don't think it would even if there were a ton of OP items available to spec into, but this shouldn't be a worry because the game is as balanced from an infantry standpoint as it's EVER been (fellas the AR is the bedrock of any FPS).

And finally, this isn't Eve. It's time for people to accept the fact that on a console FPS this mentality will not appeal to a large enough player base to succeed. This game can still have the depth without running off a ton of people.

I agree and don't deny much of what you say. We have holes, we have core mechanic issues etc.

I just don't believe a respec will help, we would need multiple respecs to keep people happy. There will always be a group that wants another, so the cycle would continue.

Exactly the opposite, referring to the bolded and underlined.

Beieve it or not, only a small % of any given games player base are power gamers. Surprisingly enough, these players also tend to make up the "top" end of the spectrum.

What you describe as a fear (FOTM) I see as a brilliant opportunity for CCP to hammer out balance over the next 6 months or so. First and foremost, gamers gonna power game. If a game is actually balanced, then they will only ever attain a reasonable % advantage, instead of an I win. This means that in a balanced environment with plenty of choice and customization, no given fit will drastically overshadow and other given fit.

Move on to the fact that in DUST, player skill is the most important skill. I know plenty of monsters in this game, and in others. Hell, in pubs I AM a fiend most of the time (not always though ) and I just use militia garbage or advanced stuff 90% of the time, not counting my Ishukone because God gun is God gun

Respecs promote diversity because contrary to popular belief, people generally skill into things that they find fun, or to skill away from things that are impossibly infuriating......

If by "save" you mean "ruin" then I agree. It would lower the standard of the game at least.

I don't know if I agree with you.

I think that if respecs were given out after every major rebalancing, the powergaming tryhards would move their SP into whatever the optimal suit/weapon/vehicle is, and would go back to pubstomping in their optimal fits. And then many average players would follow suit, thinking that its the suit/weapon that makes the tryhards so good, and we'd have less diversity.

So for example, if a respec were given out tomorrow, I imagine that a majority of the player base would change to Gal/Cal assaults armed with ARs. Most of the scouts and heavies would change over, and many of the vehicle pilots too. And while that would quickly show CCP where the perceived imbalance is, it would make for a really dull game in the mean time.

There will be even more Duvolle-armed Gal/Cal assaults then there are now, because scouts and heavies will skill into them too. And a bunch of Minmatar/Amarr players.

And why would players skill into sub-optimal suits/weapons if they got a respec? This is a competitive game. Playing at a disadvantage will make you die more.

Either you are seriously dense or have zero understanding of the skill system. Is the skill system perfect? No, of course not. Are all the weapons evenly balanced? No. of course not. Will they be "fixed"? Yes, most definitely. Will you be happy with the fixes? No, you will QQ for a respec again.

There are millions of choices you can make, both with your skills and the fittings. Weapon not cutting it? Dump on some damage mods and change your play style...

You sir, should leave the game if you can't understand the choices available.

This has got to be blowing your mind, I want to be a Caldari logi.

Mind blown yet.

Now I understand. With the advent of auto-aim, speed doesn't mean as much as raw HP. We should be talking about buffing scouts, not giving up on scouts to try other things. Given the weaknesses of stealth, why not give the scout more HP? My little brother plays a proto-scout, and it mostly isn't useful except in a few special cases (activities that don't involve brawls with lots of bullets flying around). Scouts as a class might make more sense if there were larger matches (32v32), but as it is, a winning team can't really afford more than one or two scouts. If they ever get their active camouflage, and it works well enough to enhance their surviveability in an auto-aim brawl, it might work, but right now, a winning team needs heavy hitters.

Jack makes a good point too - about vehicle changes - I would be upset if I was focused on assault dropships and they announced they would be removed for an unspecified period as part of some 'back-to-the-basics' design scheme. That's just sad. It clearly announces that the original plan has been scrapped, and instead of tweaking numbers, they're just going to start over and try again. In light of this, I would be OK with some type of respec-option, as long as it was clearly defined as an (apology)/(thank you) to the testers, and not a permanent element of the game design.

Thanks for the simpathy, but good scouts are not F****d over because of Aim assist. I can still rip apart any heavy with my Ishi SMG in matter of seconds. We are f**** over because now every logi ( -+ of every enemy team) Carries Proto Active scanners. Me myself as a Proto Minnie + (i HAD TO use 1 of my only 2 low slots for this, while logis sacrifice 1 out of 3-4...) Proto Profile dampener STILL get scanned -++ of the time.

Remove Active scanners or make them scout only and scouts will have a fighting chance.

Never the less, if i get a respec,as i mentioned before , im thinking taking of another path.
Some people like o change play styles every now and then....

A better option than removing or changing active scanners would be to lower the scout's profile (not all light frames - just the scout suit.) to be able to beat most scanners.

I'd flip the **** out if active scanners got messed with too much, but running a stable active scanner shouldn't let me ping pretty much every scout out there.

At proto level, a scout should NEVER be detected. Period. Its their thing! even their bonus.

But you are right


Another option is increasing their bonus gain:

-10% reduction to profile per level.

With a respec I'll be maxing both scouts.

Gallente for sniping/recon, stealth ops.
Minnie for hit & run, kamikaze, smg r@pe fest, and uplink runner.

I feel dirty when I kill a scout in my assault suit.....

I do think CCP needs to do that game-wide respec the same as when Uprising first hit.

I would LOVE to spend ALL my 16 mil in Commando. See if i can do something with that suit.

Probably would run 1 cx shield Ext , 1 Cs Light damage mod , 1 Kin Kat, Rep Nanos and (Swarms + Gek) or (ARSC + /Mass)

I would suck so bad, but im sure it would be fun....

@pew jackson, a scout at proto level with 1 ADV profile dampner ,should be able to evade ALL scanners.
ALL .... SCANNERS....

XD

I would go for the horrendously OP logistics support dropship role, with a prime focus on logistics. I will do so even with only a Grimsnes, because I'm a fuckin boss pilot, and I will rep all the doodz.

Run dual PLC