DUST Search - Respects could save the game

Jack McReady wrote:

Dexter307 wrote:

Jack McReady wrote:

Dust Junky 4Life wrote:

PEW JACKSON wrote:

To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!!

On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time.
I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan.

1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes.
2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u
3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out.
4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u
5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec

All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need.

ofcourse if someone has 24m sp it does not matter, you can get 2 proto suits, 2 proto weapons along with core skills with it.

in short, your tiny scrub ego would get hurt because others would get what they want... that is unfortunately not a valid reason against it Roll

but in fact a good reason for it.

the well structured and thought out arguments here in this forum are amazing Roll

I have yet to see a valid argument against it in a beta game without content and nonstop major changes and bugs, especially when the game is dying because of myriads of reasons. I can only repeat, the playerbase is already declining nonstop for reasons already mentioned millions of times. respec when all content is done is the only way to bring those people back that already moved to the next game.

the respec is not to chase the next FOTM, the respec is done thus you can speed up balancing process, bugfix process, bring variety into the game and bring fresh air. there is a reason why everyone went for AR, it is known as working, being all around good, easy to use and getting new stuff is risky with the slow balance and bugfix process that we CURRENTLY have. simply as that.

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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6561	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:41:00 - [91] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also yes, currently respecs have to be done manually and the guys that could possibly code it are busier and more focused on making battles matter, contextualizing FW, bringing the player market to life, and making corporate managers jobs easier and of course the eve-dust link. So what you're saying is that the team is too small. Ok. Hire more doodz.
Athena Sentinel Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:45:00 - [92] - Quote Man I could use a respect.. and I am PISSED that because I had a baby and found out I was eligible for a respect but messed some arbitrary due date, so I can't now. What do you mean. I was/am a dedicated closed beta player. I have put up with glitches and bugs/exploits, testing... But not a valuable enough player to allow a respect?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9153	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:48:00 - [93] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also yes, currently respecs have to be done manually and the guys that could possibly code it are busier and more focused on making battles matter, contextualizing FW, bringing the player market to life, and making corporate managers jobs easier and of course the eve-dust link. So what you're saying is that the team is too small. Ok. Hire more doodz. Takes 6 months or more to import people.
Kody Cole Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 32	Posted - 2013.10.01 06:01:00 - [94] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also yes, currently respecs have to be done manually and the guys that could possibly code it are busier and more focused on making battles matter, contextualizing FW, bringing the player market to life, and making corporate managers jobs easier and of course the eve-dust link. Can you say there will be optional respects in the future?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9153	Posted - 2013.10.01 09:16:00 - [95] - Quote Kody Cole wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also yes, currently respecs have to be done manually and the guys that could possibly code it are busier and more focused on making battles matter, contextualizing FW, bringing the player market to life, and making corporate managers jobs easier and of course the eve-dust link. Can you say there will be optional respects in the future? There are no plans as per customer support reply.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 156	Posted - 2013.10.01 10:40:00 - [96] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CUT Sorry IWS but in dust choice dosen't matter at all. Simply 'cause choosing a weapon or a suit don't "block" other choice. If i choose Cal.Suit i can train Gal.Suit too. If i train AR i can train LR too. In a "real" MMO when you lvl up to f5 a skill you there's need some drawback ( you know, if you LVL5 Ar you can lvl up only to 3 the other weapon) But with the lack of content a system like that wouldn't work too well. So if you have time (or Booster) you can have ALL, and what you need to do is to wait. In the long run we have a ROCK-PAPER-SCISSOR system, withe the possibility of rock to transform in something else. So, please, stop pretending that choice matter, that argument is pathetic. We want to sell booster. And i'm fine with that answer, CCP is a company and not an ONLUS and i will continue to play this game ( that i help with various aurum pack and an elit pack) but i think it's better to stop hiding behind a finger.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 584	Posted - 2013.10.01 10:42:00 - [97] - Quote Gods Architect wrote: Save? You are assuming the game is dead. actually the amounts of players online is steadily declining and there are 3 issues that surely have an impact on that: -the game is still beta despite having no beta flag anymore. every patch brings major changes and you actually cant be sure if it works cause no one tested them properly without having SP put into them. there is a reason everyone goes for AR, it is widely used and you know it works, getting SP into something else is risky. how can you actually put SP into them when you have to grind first for SP. people safe SP to get new stuff, put them into it, just to find out it sucks. just look at the past, it took the devs several months to fix various bugs because it takes long to get into new stuff and notice if something is not working as intended. do I need to mention MD hit detection? took the devs ages to fix, now PLC has a similar problem and other bugs and no one cares or is noticing. or the tank issues... I dont think I need to go on, the problems are widely known. -another problem is that devs are constantly changing stuff. our decisions made months ago can suddenly mean nothing because the way you wanted to play changed and you would be forced to suck it up and play like the devs want you to play. already happened and will happen again. -beside that, there is limited content anyway and new content takes ages to get released, there is no choice. some people would prefer to get into racial stuff that does not exist yet. they are FORCED to take what you have now if you want to compete, otherwise they would have to wait several months and endure painful grind. either way, the player feels bad in both cases (waiting for the content to release or take what you can get now)
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 48	Posted - 2013.10.01 11:56:00 - [98] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Also yes, currently respecs have to be done manually and the guys that could possibly code it are busier and more focused on making battles matter, contextualizing FW, bringing the player market to life, and making corporate managers jobs easier and of course the eve-dust link. Make it a purchasable aur item for 15k aurum, slap a 3- 6 month cool-down on it and now the small dev team can do their jobs without taking time out to process our requests. The people who want respecs will buy them, and the ones who don't will eventually buy them because "logic".
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 365	Posted - 2013.10.01 12:49:00 - [99] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: People saying ''no more respecs'' cannot stop people wanting them from asking. At the end of the day, what the playerbase wants is what the company making the game should care. In its current state, arespec would make the game more entretaining and fun, and CCP really needs this. Agreed. I still would like a Respec. However, glad tidings to those who are against Respecs you will note that there are fewer players asking for them since I suspect there are fewer of them still playing.
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 16	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:29:00 - [100] - Quote NOTHING can save dust at this point! It is circling the drain. Bunch of broken promises equals rage quit. Most people won't come back just out of spite! There are many other FULLY FUNCTIONAL games to play. Dust will NEVER be anything more then a pipe dream. Every update, fk's something up. Getting old real quick. To all you people buying AUR/OMEGA............LMFAO suckers

Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 16	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:33:00 - [101] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Man I could use a respect.. and I am PISSED that because I had a baby and found out I was eligible for a respect but messed some arbitrary due date, so I can't now. What do you mean. I was/am a dedicated closed beta player. I have put up with glitches and bugs/exploits, testing... But not a valuable enough player to allow a respect? To get RESPECT you have to give it! To get a Respec, you just have to beg and rant.
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 208	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:35:00 - [102] - Quote This game would be sooo boring if you guys headed for proto and not having to work for it. You'll regret it, i'm ashamed to say this but if we got the choice of respec i would accept.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4339	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:36:00 - [103] - Quote Athena Sentinel wrote: Man I could use a respect.. and I am PISSED that because I had a baby and found out I was eligible for a respect but messed some arbitrary due date, so I can't now. What do you mean. I was/am a dedicated closed beta player. I have put up with glitches and bugs/exploits, testing... But not a valuable enough player to allow a respect? You were valuable enough for a respec. It's just that it was your fault for missing the due date. CCP did give us ample notice (about two weeks to a month) long before the due date.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6567	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:45:00 - [104] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: People saying ''no more respecs'' cannot stop people wanting them from asking. At the end of the day, what the playerbase wants is what the company making the game should care. In its current state, arespec would make the game more entretaining and fun, and CCP really needs this. Agreed. I still would like a Respec. However, glad tidings to those who are against Respecs you will note that there are fewer players asking for them since I suspect there are fewer of them still playing. Considering the only content worth a damn won't be here until after PS4 drops....yea, you're probably right. But hey, better to punish your beta testers, both closed beta testers and the current open beta testers, by forcing them to ride the roller coaster that is CCP balance. When we have 2000 players at peak time, I bet those purists will be so proud of their choices.
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 16	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:51:00 - [105] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!! On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. 1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes. 2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u 3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out. 4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u 5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need.
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 265	Posted - 2013.10.01 14:54:00 - [106] - Quote Blah blah blah, another respec thread. So, hypothetically, you get a respec, mess up your char again and so QQ for another? The vets clean up their skill trees and dump **** tons of SP into the "right" thing so more people can QQ that they are getting stomped even harder? /end
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 50	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:11:00 - [107] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!! On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. 1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes. 2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u 3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out. 4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u 5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need. 1. Considering teens and young adults make up the majority of the playerbase, that reasoning is toxic. What about the adults that make calculated and logical choices? What about the people who spec into something for their sole enjoyment avoiding the FOTM but still getting nerfed into the ground? Using the LR, Assault Scrambler, and Shotgun for reference. 2. As it currently stands the only win buttons are any variant and tier of AR. 3. CCp can easily market and solve that problem. Make respecs a purchasable item with a 3-6 month cooldown. I'd glady pay 10-15k aur for it. 4. You direct this at me for what purpose? I'm not a bad player given I'm also not the best. You can stomp and feed your E-peen al you want, but the respec will give newberries a chance to spec into something competitive a little faster. 5. Currently we have nothing to look forward to. All new content is being pushed back and players are bored with the roles they've been forced into. A respec will at least keep some moderate number on Dust when the Ps4 and it's BIG titles get released. Just becuase you're happy with your bandwagon choices does not mean the rest of the community is as well.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6567	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:15:00 - [108] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Just becuase you're happy with your bandwagon choices does not mean the rest of the community is as well. Also note how he is a regular AUR purchaser thanks to non stop boosters. Of course he's happy, the SP tree is so shallow when you have that much SP it doesn't make much of a difference WHAT you spec into, you have to actually try to **** up your build at that point.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 588	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:22:00 - [109] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!! On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. 1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes. 2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u 3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out. 4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u 5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need. ofcourse if someone has 24m sp it does not matter, you can get 2 proto suits, 2 proto weapons along with core skills with it. in short, your tiny scrub ego would get hurt because others would get what they want... that is unfortunately not a valid reason against it but in fact a good reason for it.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 390	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:28:00 - [110] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!! On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. 1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes. 2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u 3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out. 4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u 5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need. ofcourse if someone has 24m sp it does not matter, you can get 2 proto suits, 2 proto weapons along with core skills with it. in short, your tiny scrub ego would get hurt because others would get what they want... that is unfortunately not a valid reason against it but in fact a good reason for it. No

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 589	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:32:00 - [111] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!! On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. 1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes. 2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u 3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out. 4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u 5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need. ofcourse if someone has 24m sp it does not matter, you can get 2 proto suits, 2 proto weapons along with core skills with it. in short, your tiny scrub ego would get hurt because others would get what they want... that is unfortunately not a valid reason against it but in fact a good reason for it. No the well structured and thought out arguments here in this forum are amazing I have yet to see a valid argument against it in a beta game without content and nonstop major changes and bugs, especially when the game is dying because of myriads of reasons. I can only repeat, the playerbase is already declining nonstop for reasons already mentioned millions of times. respec when all content is done is the only way to bring those people back that already moved to the next game. the respec is not to chase the next FOTM, the respec is done thus you can speed up balancing process, bugfix process, bring variety into the game and bring fresh air. there is a reason why everyone went for AR, it is known as working, being all around good, easy to use and getting new stuff is risky with the slow balance and bugfix process that we CURRENTLY have. simply as that.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 390	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:44:00 - [112] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: PEW JACKSON wrote: To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!! On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. 1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes. 2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u 3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out. 4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u 5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need. ofcourse if someone has 24m sp it does not matter, you can get 2 proto suits, 2 proto weapons along with core skills with it. in short, your tiny scrub ego would get hurt because others would get what they want... that is unfortunately not a valid reason against it but in fact a good reason for it. No the well structured and thought out arguments here in this forum are amazing I have yet to see a valid argument against it in a beta game without content and nonstop major changes and bugs, especially when the game is dying because of myriads of reasons. I can only repeat, the playerbase is already declining nonstop for reasons already mentioned millions of times. respec when all content is done is the only way to bring those people back that already moved to the next game. the respec is not to chase the next FOTM, the respec is done thus you can speed up balancing process, bugfix process, bring variety into the game and bring fresh air. there is a reason why everyone went for AR, it is known as working, being all around good, easy to use and getting new stuff is risky with the slow balance and bugfix process that we CURRENTLY have. simply as that. No
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6570	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:45:00 - [113] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: No A prime example of your average useless blueberry.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 390	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:48:00 - [114] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dexter307 wrote: No A prime example of your average useless blueberry. No
noob cavman A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 89	Posted - 2013.10.01 15:55:00 - [115] - Quote I would use my respec to go proto heavy and scout. Bored of the ar, the shotgun and hmg are so much more fun.
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 50	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:00:00 - [116] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I would use my respec to go proto heavy and scout. Bored of the ar, the shotgun and hmg are so much more fun. I'd ditch my minnie assault and get a Ganja scout. Minja & Ganja scouts with Knives, Lrs, Smgs, Scr pistols, and maybe a Sniper rifle. Uplink and RE spam
noob cavman A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 90	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:05:00 - [117] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: noob cavman wrote: I would use my respec to go proto heavy and scout. Bored of the ar, the shotgun and hmg are so much more fun. I'd ditch my minnie assault and get a Ganja scout. Minja & Ganja scouts with Knives, Lrs, Smgs, Scr pistols, and maybe a Sniper rifle. Uplink and RE spam Ganja scout for life yo! Ccp you could remove my ar skill tree and I would not care as I shall be sneaky sneaky k5ing people in the rear.
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 90	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:16:00 - [118] - Quote When there will be a permanent respec option (as in without any drawbacks) at least two things will happen: 1. Some hardcore players will leave because the promise of choices mattering was a thing (stated from the beginning! )that bought them to Dust in the first place. 2. After every patch the battle field will look the same, because everyone will spec into the new patches content. Another thing that should happen then will be a split of Dust from EVE, as it won't matter for EVE capsuleers in any way - being built upon an entirely different universe mechanics choices. At least I will surely leave and never look back (not that anyone cares ;)
noob cavman A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 91	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:21:00 - [119] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: When there will be a permanent respec option (as in without any drawbacks) at least two things will happen: 1. Some hardcore players will leave because the promise of choices mattering was a thing (stated from the beginning! )that bought them to Dust in the first place. 2. After every patch the battle field will look the same, because everyone will spec into the new patches content. Another thing that should happen then will be a split of Dust from EVE, as it won't matter for EVE capsuleers in any way - being built upon an entirely different universe mechanics choices. At least I will surely leave and never look back (not that anyone cares ;) I can go for a 6 month cycle for repecs or a penalty. Not sure on what to use for the penalty howver.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6572	Posted - 2013.10.01 16:24:00 - [120] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: everyone will spec into the new patches content. Believe it or not, plenty of us would spec into things we enjoy. And if you had any faith in CCP as a developer of DUST, you'd have faith in reasonable content always being added, reducing the chance of it getting "stale", which is absurd anyways, since the only reason the game is "stale" is because it's AAAR 514 right now. If CCP knew how to balance and release content at a reasonable speed, this wouldn't be an issue even if you had at will respecs.



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