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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:41:00 -
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Kody Cole wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Seen this thread hundred of times on the eve forums. No Respec EVER!!! This is a different game. Fps players are different. We don't like clicking in space to move around and "fly wile waiting for a month for a skill
so what your saying is your a spoiled brat with no patience....noted. No wonder your whole corp turns into a group of howler monkies when you proto stomp. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1374
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:42:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:Maybe try out those Omega Boosters...that's like a respec.
I just want to keep spreading this out there. A 30 day omega gives you an extra 720,000 SP.
6 months would give you 4.3 mil SP for $192
Sounds like a great deal. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:43:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Kody Cole wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Seen this thread hundred of times on the eve forums. No Respec EVER!!! This is a different game. Fps players are different. We don't like clicking in space to move around and "fly wile waiting for a month for a skill so what your saying is your a spoiled brat with no patience....noted. No wonder your whole corp turns into a group of howler monkies when you proto stomp.
In my case what i lack is time. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1433
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:44:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Luk Manag wrote:Maybe try out those Omega Boosters...that's like a respec. I just want to keep spreading this out there. A 30 day omega gives you an extra 720,000 SP. 6 months would give you 4.3 mil SP for $192 Sounds like a great deal.
Pay to win kind of deal. |
Kody Cole
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
24
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:45:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Kody Cole wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Seen this thread hundred of times on the eve forums. No Respec EVER!!! This is a different game. Fps players are different. We don't like clicking in space to move around and "fly wile waiting for a month for a skill so what your saying is your a spoiled brat with no patience....noted. No wonder your whole corp turns into a group of howler monkies when you proto stomp.
Off topic? Stupid troll Get good and fight us |
Patt MaCrotch
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
34
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:51:00 -
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My question to CCP is that if they keep slacking on bringing in a new generation of players or don't increase the influx of fresh blood, what happens then? Everybody will max out and then what, the same ole, same ole, all the time. I agree with Kody, give an optional AURUM paid respec. What would be the harm in that? |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
110
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:53:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:There is no need for a respec as there is no limit to how much SP you can get. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from skilling into something else, so why get a respec? Because you're too lazy to actually work to get stuff? Or perhaps they said F it because they are bored and decide to play a different game. Don't talk to me about grinding. I don't need a RESPEC. Most vets don't either. I'd LOVE to see a bunch of the 10 mil guys specialize in one suit with a couple deifferent weapons. Maybe there would be some tougher fights in pubs.
You see, the problem here isn't the skill points. It's the quality of the content we currently have. Do you really think that having respecs would save the game even if we still only have 3 game modes and 9 maps? Sure, the new equipment and play style might make it more fun for a few months, but that isn't the answer. We need content that actually improves the game itself. Such as PVE, a player market, more rewards from PC and more viable weapons and armour than a medium suit and an AR. |
Kody Cole
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
25
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:53:00 -
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Patt MaCrotch wrote:My question to CCP is that if they keep slacking on bringing in a new generation of players or don't increase the influx of fresh blood, what happens then? Everybody will max out and then what, the same ole, same ole, all the time. I agree with Kody, give an optional AURUM paid respec. What would be the harm in that?
Thanks bro. I'd pat your crotch any day bud |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1437
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:54:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:
You see, the problem here isn't the skill points. It's the quality of the content we currently have. Do you really think that having respecs would save the game even if we still only have 3 game modes and 9 maps? Sure, the new equipment and play style might make it more fun for a few months, but that isn't the answer. We need content that actually improves the game itself. Such as PVE, a player market, more rewards from PC and more viable weapons and armour than a medium suit and an AR.
Honest to my heart. A repec would at least buy me into Dust for another 6 months..... |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
580
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:54:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:low genius wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kody Cole wrote:Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down +1. CCP needs to realize, RESPECS = REPLAY VALUE.
REPLAY VALUE = Good game. I've heard some stupid **** in my day, but never any stupid **** that was quite as self indulgent as this. Your decision to only isnult me instead of discussing my opinion makes me realize how true my statement is. Ty.
well, I think it's been addressed, but here it goes:
respecs broaden the gap between the new and the old players. respecs make subtle balance issues glaringly obvious. when that happens the dev team wastes 3 months rebalancing it, often at the expense of new content and 'quality of life' updates. respecs begat more cries for respecs. they also take away the 'history' of your character. if you know a guy, then you know what he's got skilled, and you're surprised when he kills you with a new weapon. if you can buy a respec, or earn a respec, or receive one in any way, then your character has no history. you might as well be able to change your name.
it's unsatisfying, and turns the game into a 'title' not a 'service'.
when you're playing with a new guy in eve, he tells you that he just saw a ship. the first question you ask is 'what was his name?'. because a characters name matters in eve. he will always be that character, with those skills. he will always fly the ships that he's known to fly, and in the manner that he's known to fly.
lastly, respecs create issues with alts. a guy gets a respec, and all his 15mil sp alts are sitting with unspent sp waiting for the flavor of the month to show itself. |
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Gods Architect
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
586
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:55:00 -
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Kody Cole wrote:Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down Save? You are assuming the game is dead. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
265
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:55:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Kody Cole wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Lol if I get a respec you wont like me. I don't speak for people that go for FOTM becouse they suck Yet you're giving the tools for them to FOTM..... What would you consider FOTM right now? ARs and ARs. |
Jason Pearson
Animus Securities
2950
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:55:00 -
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I came here to find out about how respect would help the game, but it's just a another respec thread. By the way, RESPECT (with a T) is not the ******* same as RESPEC (without a T), thanks.
It annoys me.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6538
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:58:00 -
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I'd gladly go straight back to where I was before the last respec if Wolfman pulls dropships back into existence.
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
582
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:59:00 -
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Patt MaCrotch wrote:My question to CCP is that if they keep slacking on bringing in a new generation of players or don't increase the influx of fresh blood, what happens then? Everybody will max out and then what, the same ole, same ole, all the time. I agree with Kody, give an optional AURUM paid respec. What would be the harm in that?
part-timers and soft-core gamers are not ccp's target audience. quitters quit. it's not a problem. more will come. the hardcore will stay. the community becomes flush with people who care about the game, not what's wrong with the game. |
PEW JACKSON
s i n g u l a r i t y
46
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Posted - 2013.10.01 01:59:00 -
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To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!!
On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
582
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:01:00 -
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Kody Cole wrote:SgtDoughnut wrote:Seen this thread hundred of times on the eve forums. No Respec EVER!!! This is a different game. Fps players are different. We don't like clicking in space to move around and "fly" wile waiting for a month for a skill
that's why no one will remember your corporation. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
582
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:03:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!!
On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan.
I gave you seven on page 2. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
660
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:05:00 -
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I am for a respec. After seeing several of the rolls I speced into, only to be nerfed or changed rates a respec. If you say other wise its because you have never been effected by the changes so far. If more changes were to happen in the next upgrade or two I am sure the numbers asking for a respec would grow very rapidly. |
GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
60
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:05:00 -
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After 20m SP the FoTM weapons literally is non-existent you can spec into at least 4 proto weapons, 2 dropsuits, proto modules and maybe one vehicle. CCP is constantly changing what we use making our decisions made months ago to mean nothing, it might bother veterans but it mainly hurts new players.
Let's say you are new, hence you know nothing of what works and what not and you spec into "X" thing and suddenly one day everything changes and it has no value for you anymore so know you have 1m spent into some crap, go tell those new player " LOL HTFU... CCP just made your loadout utterly useless hahahaha you must farm more SP to be barely useful again" ...mthat player is just going to quit and never look back.
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Patt MaCrotch
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
34
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:06:00 -
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low genius wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:low genius wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kody Cole wrote:Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down +1. CCP needs to realize, RESPECS = REPLAY VALUE.
REPLAY VALUE = Good game. I've heard some stupid **** in my day, but never any stupid **** that was quite as self indulgent as this. Your decision to only isnult me instead of discussing my opinion makes me realize how true my statement is. Ty. well, I think it's been addressed, but here it goes: respecs broaden the gap between the new and the old players. respecs make subtle balance issues glaringly obvious. when that happens the dev team wastes 3 months rebalancing it, often at the expense of new content and 'quality of life' updates. respecs begat more cries for respecs. they also take away the 'history' of your character. if you know a guy, then you know what he's got skilled, and you're surprised when he kills you with a new weapon. if you can buy a respec, or earn a respec, or receive one in any way, then your character has no history. you might as well be able to change your name. it's unsatisfying, and turns the game into a 'title' not a 'service'. when you're playing with a new guy in eve, he tells you that he just saw a ship. the first question you ask is 'what was his name?'. because a characters name matters in eve. he will always be that character, with those skills. he will always fly the ships that he's known to fly, and in the manner that he's known to fly. lastly, respecs create issues with alts. a guy gets a respec, and all his 15mil sp alts are sitting with unspent sp waiting for the flavor of the month to show itself.
The last respec was a pretty good while ago (June I believe) and I haven't seen enough new content since then to support your claim that a new respec would jeopardize new content.
And please do not claim the worthless AURUM packs of late as new content...... the weapons and suits were no better than what was already available. |
sixteensixty4
CAUSE 4 C0NCERN
133
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:09:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOUqQt3Kg0
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
583
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:14:00 -
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The last respec was a pretty good while ago (June I believe) and I haven't seen enough new content since then to support your claim that a new respec would jeopardize new content.
And please do not claim the worthless AURUM packs of late as new content...... the weapons and suits were no better than what was already available
the last respec created the assault rifle abyss that we currently live in.
it created the tac-ar debacle.
it wasted 100 pages of forums with qq threads (and still counting)
it wasted development time trying to fix things that were only a little broken before the respec.
it slowed down the whole train. before that last respec we were slated to get racial ar's, racial pistols, racial knives, and more suits very soon. in it's stead we (as a community) threw such a hissy fit that ccp had to literally stop everything and rebalance the game. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
427
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:15:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:There is no need for a respec as there is no limit to how much SP you can get. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from skilling into something else, so why get a respec? Because you're too lazy to actually work to get stuff?
How about 3+ months of capping out by continuously playing this mediocre game that should have never come out of beta? Nothing to do with being lazy, and everything to do with Dust not being worth the time investment. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1378
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:18:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Kody Cole wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Lol if I get a respec you wont like me. I don't speak for people that go for FOTM becouse they suck Yet you're giving the tools for them to FOTM..... What would you consider FOTM right now? ARs and ARs.
So you think people are going to RESPEC into something the vast majority of Dust is already specced into and it will be bad? |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1441
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:19:00 -
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low genius wrote:
well, I think it's been addressed, but here it goes:
respecs broaden the gap between the new and the old players. respecs make subtle balance issues glaringly obvious. when that happens the dev team wastes 3 months rebalancing it, often at the expense of new content and 'quality of life' updates. respecs begat more cries for respecs. they also take away the 'history' of your character. if you know a guy, then you know what he's got skilled, and you're surprised when he kills you with a new weapon. if you can buy a respec, or earn a respec, or receive one in any way, then your character has no history. you might as well be able to change your name.
it's unsatisfying, and turns the game into a 'title' not a 'service'.
when you're playing with a new guy in eve, he tells you that he just saw a ship. the first question you ask is 'what was his name?'. because a characters name matters in eve. he will always be that character, with those skills. he will always fly the ships that he's known to fly, and in the manner that he's known to fly.
lastly, respecs create issues with alts. a guy gets a respec, and all his 15mil sp alts are sitting with unspent sp waiting for the flavor of the month to show itself.
1-''respecs broaden the gap between the new and the old players''.: NOT true. Lack of respecs do. When a new player realizes hes no good with the assault scrambler rifle ,. and decides he could play better with the mass driver, hes stuck using a weapon he does not excel with. Not to mention people spending SP in stuff that works different of what they expected , or bought something they really didnt need but they thought they did, etc... WASTED SP.
2-'' respecs begat more cries for respecs'' A permanent Respec option doesn't.
3- ''they also take away the 'history' of your character. if you know a guy, then you know what he's got skilled, and you're surprised when he kills you with a new weapon. if you can buy a respec, or earn a respec, or receive one in any way, then your character has no history. you might as well be able to change your name.'' - yeah we should also be able to change our name. So? its not like the PSN account changes....This ''history'' thing you talk of. its total BS and you know it. Players play to have fun in a game not to have their (unavoidable) errors mark them forever. i bet, -++ of the people against Repsecs use Assault rifles,becaue they are confty with the decision they made since the weapon will always be overall good. Its not FOTM but its the safest bet.
4-''when you're playing with a new guy in eve,'' Lost me there bro This is NOT EVE. Its like me telling you, when you play with a dude in MAG.... i mean, different games. But at leat MAG is the same genre...
5-''lastly, respecs create issues with alts. a guy gets a respec, and all his 15mil sp alts are sitting with unspent sp waiting for the flavor of the month to show itself.'' - 1st, we dont have e FOTM right now showing CCP actually got some balance going. 2nd-if a FOTM appears, CCP will be able to notice it FASTER with respecs than without them,there by able to adress a fix.
You';ve got nothing bro. |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
115
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:20:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:
You see, the problem here isn't the skill points. It's the quality of the content we currently have. Do you really think that having respecs would save the game even if we still only have 3 game modes and 9 maps? Sure, the new equipment and play style might make it more fun for a few months, but that isn't the answer. We need content that actually improves the game itself. Such as PVE, a player market, more rewards from PC and more viable weapons and armour than a medium suit and an AR.
Honest to my heart. A repec would at least buy me into Dust for another 6 months..... Whilst I agree it might give the game some life for a few months, it's still only a short term answer to a long term problem. This game needs to be interesting enough to hold peoples attention for years on end, but it's current iteration cannot achieve that. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1380
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:23:00 -
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low genius wrote:
The last respec was a pretty good while ago (June I believe) and I haven't seen enough new content since then to support your claim that a new respec would jeopardize new content.
And please do not claim the worthless AURUM packs of late as new content...... the weapons and suits were no better than what was already available
the last respec created the assault rifle abyss that we currently live in.
it created the tac-ar debacle.
it wasted 100 pages of forums with qq threads (and still counting)
it wasted development time trying to fix things that were only a little broken before the respec.
it slowed down the whole train. before that last respec we were slated to get racial ar's, racial pistols, racial knives, and more suits very soon. in it's stead we (as a community) threw such a hissy fit that ccp had to literally stop everything and rebalance the game.
Lol, talk about being misguided
The AR is always going to be the VAST majority's weapon of choice in an FPS.
Respecs didn't cause any of the core mechanics to suck.
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KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1441
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:23:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:
You see, the problem here isn't the skill points. It's the quality of the content we currently have. Do you really think that having respecs would save the game even if we still only have 3 game modes and 9 maps? Sure, the new equipment and play style might make it more fun for a few months, but that isn't the answer. We need content that actually improves the game itself. Such as PVE, a player market, more rewards from PC and more viable weapons and armour than a medium suit and an AR.
Honest to my heart. A repec would at least buy me into Dust for another 6 months..... Whilst I agree it might give the game some life for a few months, it's still only a short term answer to a long term problem. This game needs to be interesting enough to hold peoples attention for years on end, but it's current iteration cannot achieve that.
Agreed.
And while they do it interesting, replay value keeps the players playing Dust. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1380
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:25:00 -
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Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Melchiah ARANeAE wrote:
You see, the problem here isn't the skill points. It's the quality of the content we currently have. Do you really think that having respecs would save the game even if we still only have 3 game modes and 9 maps? Sure, the new equipment and play style might make it more fun for a few months, but that isn't the answer. We need content that actually improves the game itself. Such as PVE, a player market, more rewards from PC and more viable weapons and armour than a medium suit and an AR.
Honest to my heart. A repec would at least buy me into Dust for another 6 months..... Whilst I agree it might give the game some life for a few months, it's still only a short term answer to a long term problem. This game needs to be interesting enough to hold peoples attention for years on end, but it's current iteration cannot achieve that.
DUST needs every week it can get at this point. Respecs should fall in line with the vehicle rebalance and the release of racial suits and weapon variants.
It would cause a lot of people to come back and check things out. That should be the top priority. |
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