@at jack MCready


After giving it some more thought after reading this and sitting on it,with a ever changing game where trends come and go,where interest spawn and die repeativly,where old strategies and suits become obsolete with new content being added in outclassing it, a respec once in a blue moon isn't that much of a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

The respec wouldn't help nor hurt dust but only rub the shoulders of already foot held players already in the game the most, as they had the most time to try many things.You decisions DO matter,they mattter in the way that they build the basis for all future ones and what ever gained from those decisions whether in knowledge or wealth to keep you going to new ones.

Yes the game is like a cointoss when skilling into certain things but i like to think of it as more of gambleing with SP,you could go all in if you want on something new to you(though not wise), i just don't what to hear crying when it doesnt work or last long/should have bet less and demand instant reset.

As for theories how to decide the outcome of a coin toss that's pretty tough as you have no control over the constancy of your investments seeing as CCP like to break things,however you can only decide how much you can lose on the decision if it goes south.

You could watch others toss before you do and bet accordingly or make a throw away alt and spec into something just enough to test it out(good for testing weapon performance and feel) for everything else(like suits,vehicles,etc) you can just run numbers and apply past knowledge and experience and simulate what it would be like.

@at jack MCready


After giving it some more thought after reading this and sitting on it,with a ever changing game where trends come and go,where interest spawn and die repeativly,where old strategies and suits become obsolete with new content being added in outclassing it, a respec once in a blue moon isn't that much of a big deal in the grand scheme of things.The respec wouldn't help nor hurt dust but only rub the shoulders of already foot held players already in the game the most, as they had the most time to try many things.You decisions DO matter,they mattter in the way that they build the basis for all future ones and what ever gained from those decisions whether in knowledge or wealth to keep you going to new ones. Yes the game is like a cointoss when skilling into certain things but i like to think of it as more of gambleing with SP,you could go all in if you want on something new to you(though not wise), i just don't what to hear crying when it doesnt work or last long/should have bet less and demand instant reset.As for theories how to decide the outcome of a coin toss that's pretty tough as you have no control over the constancy of your investments seeing as CCP like to break things,however you can only decide how much you can lose on the decision if it goes south.You could watch others toss before you do and bet accordingly or make a throw away alt and spec into something just enough to test it out(good for testing weapon performance and feel) for everything else(like suits,vehicles,etc) you can just run numbers and apply past knowledge and experience and simulate what it would be like.

I didn't make the decision to release Dust with basic content missing.
I didn't make the decision to release broken or unbalanced content.
I didn't make the decision to take several months to fix existing content.

That's CCP's fault. Choices only matter if you have a choice to begin with. CCP is doing the choices currently.

But you did choose to start playing the game with all the "faults" you mention, and you are probably continuing to play the game and QQ here so... I think the fault is on your shoulders, son.

So did you

Respec or not CCP's wallet is gonna get hurt big time.

Giving a respec in 1.5 or at least 1.6 would save the game for a lot of players
Personally I'd only change a few things I'd still be the same class. It's just over time you changed a lot and I don't need some skills and I need new ones. Hell I'd take a free respec every 6 months or pay arum to ge One with a cool down

Respec's are stupid... I Won't say that I will not re-perfect skills for the current times if they are offered... but that really changes the game drastically...

Respec's will only hurt new players more... and benefit high skill point characters to stupid amounts...

We have done this and that is what happened... not to say we didn't like it ;)

If skill multiplyer's are tweaked or how the hierarchy works? CCP is always good at Reimbursing those skill point's so players can re allocate...

But nothing more then that should ever be offered...

It's game breaking...

I'm happy with my choices, the good and the bad, I don't need a respec nor will one "save the game".

This is a F2P game, CCP added aurum items in the hope to make cash, which could be seen as a gamble.

As an EvE subscriber with 4 accounts, I assume their cash flow is pretty cool.

I'm happy with my choices, the good and the bad, I don't need a respec nor will one "save the game".

This is a F2P game, CCP added aurum items in the hope to make cash, which could be seen as a gamble.

As an EvE subscriber with 4 accounts, I assume their cash flow is pretty cool.

again the typical pseudo eltist talk with no valid argument. why do you even bother to reply when you have nothing of value to tell.

and this is not eve.

summed up, arguments for respec:
-The players that dont want them will still take advantage of them
-The players that want/need them will be happy
-Some old players will come back to test new stuff
-CCP gets money to go on releasing stuff
-balancing process speeds up

arguments against:
-some pseudo elitist BS about "decisions" which isnt true at all

It's not eve, but it's in the eve universe.

If you're only good in Proto I've got news for you.
You're not good.

Hey let's put it yet another different way.

CCP makes a mistake designing a suit to be clearly superior to all other suits. Power gaming players spec into it, thinking that CCP will never catch on, that they will have the advantage the suit provides forever. CCP catches on and balances out, not nerfs, balances out the suit to what it was supposed to be in the first place. Idiot players start crying for a respec, and the old guard are happy that justice finally prevailed.

I think that is way more accurate.

Present me a logical case of why a respec is bad. I have not heard of one yet, and don't just say the same old stuff. make your point.

The intention of the game and skill tree is that you spec into one suit and appropriate gun. You use that suit/gun combination until you are extremely proficient with it. Sure you may start getting bored with it, at which point you should start to branch out to a different suit/gun ad. infinitum.

Eventually you should have all suits and weapons and be able to counter anything you meet on the battlefield.

There is no "end game" to this, your character is on a road of constant improvement and with new suits/guns in the future you should never get to a point where you have unlocked everything (most console players expect to unlock everything and can feel a sense of completion, which isn't dust.)

Throw in respecs; people get to a certain SP value, lets say 15M SP. This gives them enough SP to get core skills up, get a proto weapon and suit. They use this suit and get bored of it or realise it was a bad choice, so they then want the easy (no grind) route to respec into something else. If respec were a time-limted thing, i.e. once a year, they are still gunna QQ that they made a bad choice so we are back to square one.

People want the easy route and use statements that it will keep people active or increase player base or (lmfao) speed up the development process. This is GRIND 514, its true, you have to work for your SP and think about what you will spend it on.

Sure I'll get trolled for all what I say, but thats the game CCP have created.

People have a skewed view that respecs will make newer players more competitive, it won't! Vets will be stronger and the gap will be wider. If the planets align and the sun goes dark and CCP add in unlimited respecs, then yes the FotM chasers will be jumping for joy, this is an undeniable fact.

There is no such thing as wasted SP, just poor short term choices and peoples over eagerness. Dust is about the grind, the main issue we have is the game modes and the lack of ways to gain SP. Add more ways to get SP people won't QQ for respecs.

the recent announcments regarding tanks/dropships is the best example why there should be a respec, game is after all still beta.

you are not getting the point. people dont get bored because they invest SP into one thing. people get bored because investing SP into something else than AR is a risk due to the slow development process and that is why they dont invest into anything else. if you invest in something new (that btw took months to get released in the first place) you might end with a broken toy or it might end broken after a "balance patch" and it takes CCP again months to fix.

we are still beta testers, removing the beta flag does not change it, just look at the recent vehicle announcment.

You're making a flawed argument. Of course we are beta testers, we will always be beta testers, the game will always be in beta as I've said before, there is only so much that can be tested by a small amount of people which does not compare to thousands playing the game.

Spec'ing into anything is a risk, everything can be balanced or removed, that's how MMO development works. To say you will end up with a broken toy is narrow minded as its only broken because it doesn't do what it previously did in your eyes.

There are plenty of counters to AR's, the ScR is up there, if you can't see that then that's your lack of skill.

yup. it'd bring a lot of players back (the TARs, flaylocks, etc)

typical tunnelvision answer, no point talking with someone that has his head in the arse yeah my argument is flawed because its true and you dont want to hear it. ~500 people leaving dust per month steadily are disagreeing with you (we are currently at 3.5k at primetime, have fun with empty server in 7 months). additionally you just contradicted your previous posts. I will let you figure out yourself why, I bet you never find out because you are blinded by your tunnelvision...

Of course you do, I suppose the same could be said for scouts, tanks, lav, scr, nads, hvys etc but they all cried some got it back some is scheduled to get it back. The only ones that don't get nerfd are AR and nova ummm I wonder why and I wonder what you play with.

FYI I do not need a respec, but would use it like everyone else.

I really don't understand people saying no to respec, the game is flawed, things change all the time and no one gets hurt except the proto's or AR's who don't want competition. Get over it. Present me a logical case of why a respec is bad. I have not heard of one yet, and don't just say the same old stuff. make your point.

95% of the time I use a TAR. Which is still a sick gun even after it was toned down by CCP.

As to respecs, its simple enough. Giving out respecs creates a FOTM culture. Cal Logi is the best suit, skill into that. Now they nerfed it, skill into Cal Assault. Huge armor buff? Everybody skill into Gal Assault now. And the same with the weapons. TAR OP? Yeah get some of that. When they nerf it, skill into flaylocks. Then when that weapon is painfully average lets all skill into the AR because the new hit scan mechanics make it unbeatable.

Respecs remove diversity in the game.

When there are no respecs, people have to live with their choices. Sure, some weapons/suits may not be as effective at point X, but they will be again after patch Y hits.

what choice again? this argument was already busted millions of times, but please go on repeating the same nonsense over and over

The choice that you made when you bought levels in a suit or weapon, obviously. Why is that nonsense?

The choice that you made when you bought levels in a suit or weapon, obviously. Why is that nonsense?