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Fist Groinpunch
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:21:00 -
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Blood Immortal wrote:Lets put it a different way.
New people do the research and spec into a suit because of what the suit provides them, people in other suits now cry because they are not winning as much and so CCP nerfs the new suit and everyone who has it is upset and pays for the nerf. All the people who had the old suits are happy (old guard) and all the new people are screwed. The new want a respec, the old guard say live with it.
Hey let's put it yet another different way.
CCP makes a mistake designing a suit to be clearly superior to all other suits. Power gaming players spec into it, thinking that CCP will never catch on, that they will have the advantage the suit provides forever. CCP catches on and balances out, not nerfs, balances out the suit to what it was supposed to be in the first place. Idiot players start crying for a respec, and the old guard are happy that justice finally prevailed.
I think that is way more accurate. |
Fist Groinpunch
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Posted - 2013.10.02 01:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Fist Groinpunch wrote:Hey let's put it yet another different way.
CCP makes a mistake designing a suit to be clearly superior to all other suits. Power gaming players spec into it, thinking that CCP will never catch on, that they will have the advantage the suit provides forever. CCP catches on and balances out, not nerfs, balances out the suit to what it was supposed to be in the first place. Idiot players start crying for a respec, and the old guard are happy that justice finally prevailed.
I think that is way more accurate. Boy them logi dropships were just so OP, I'm so sad that they got nerfed. I'm so sad that my Assault forge gun, duvolles, and Boundless HMGs were all nerfed and whatever will I do?
I don't fly dropships. I don't use HMGs, nor Forge Guns, nor anything with a Duvolle prefix.
The only gun I use is the GLU TAR, and I certainly wasn't calling for a respec on the forums when it got balanced.
And this is a living game. Stuff gets added and taken out and modified on a monthly bases. Sometimes the new stuff breaks the old stuff. Sometimes the new stuff has mistakes. Respecs is not the answer. Continuously fixing the game as stuff breaks is the answer. Which is what CCP is doing.
And Checkmate, you come across as really insecure with all that constant bolding of your posts.
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Fist Groinpunch
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Posted - 2013.10.02 01:32:00 -
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Well I'm sure that the one thing we can agree on is that every time an update does come out there are infuriating bugs present that CCP takes weeks to sort out 
But hey, game is moving forward. Slowly, but forward.
I think we all have high hopes for it, otherwise we wouldn't be here complaining about it. |
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Posted - 2013.10.02 01:41:00 -
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Yeah, this whole forum is Hostile Central. At least it shows that people really care, which is awesome.
You should make more shotgun videos btw. I dug the ones you had back in Chromosome days. |
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:28:00 -
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Blood Immortal wrote:Fist Groinpunch wrote:Blood Immortal wrote:Lets put it a different way.
New people do the research and spec into a suit because of what the suit provides them, people in other suits now cry because they are not winning as much and so CCP nerfs the new suit and everyone who has it is upset and pays for the nerf. All the people who had the old suits are happy (old guard) and all the new people are screwed. The new want a respec, the old guard say live with it.
Hey let's put it yet another different way. CCP makes a mistake designing a suit to be clearly superior to all other suits. Power gaming players spec into it, thinking that CCP will never catch on, that they will have the advantage the suit provides forever. CCP catches on and balances out, not nerfs, balances out the suit to what it was supposed to be in the first place. Idiot players start crying for a respec, and the old guard are happy that justice finally prevailed. I think that is way more accurate. Of course you do, I suppose the same could be said for scouts, tanks, lav, scr, nads, hvys etc but they all cried some got it back some is scheduled to get it back. The only ones that don't get nerfd are AR and nova ummm I wonder why and I wonder what you play with. FYI I do not need a respec, but would use it like everyone else. I really don't understand people saying no to respec, the game is flawed, things change all the time and no one gets hurt except the proto's or AR's who don't want competition. Get over it. Present me a logical case of why a respec is bad. I have not heard of one yet, and don't just say the same old stuff. make your point.
95% of the time I use a TAR. Which is still a sick gun even after it was toned down by CCP.
As to respecs, its simple enough. Giving out respecs creates a FOTM culture. Cal Logi is the best suit, skill into that. Now they nerfed it, skill into Cal Assault. Huge armor buff? Everybody skill into Gal Assault now. And the same with the weapons. TAR OP? Yeah get some of that. When they nerf it, skill into flaylocks. Then when that weapon is painfully average lets all skill into the AR because the new hit scan mechanics make it unbeatable.
Respecs remove diversity in the game.
When there are no respecs, people have to live with their choices. Sure, some weapons/suits may not be as effective at point X, but they will be again after patch Y hits. |
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:39:00 -
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The choice that you made when you bought levels in a suit or weapon, obviously. Why is that nonsense? |
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Fist Groinpunch wrote:95% of the time I use a TAR. Which is still a sick gun even after it was toned down by CCP.
As to respecs, its simple enough. Giving out respecs creates a FOTM culture. Cal Logi is the best suit, skill into that. Now they nerfed it, skill into Cal Assault. Huge armor buff? Everybody skill into Gal Assault now. And the same with the weapons. TAR OP? Yeah get some of that. When they nerf it, skill into flaylocks. Then when that weapon is painfully average lets all skill into the AR because the new hit scan mechanics make it unbeatable.
Respecs remove diversity in the game.
When there are no respecs, people have to live with their choices. Sure, some weapons/suits may not be as effective at point X, but they will be again after patch Y hits. Exactly the opposite, referring to the bolded and underlined. Beieve it or not, only a small % of any given games player base are power gamers. Surprisingly enough, these players also tend to make up the "top" end of the spectrum. What you describe as a fear (FOTM) I see as a brilliant opportunity for CCP to hammer out balance over the next 6 months or so. First and foremost, gamers gonna power game. If a game is actually balanced, then they will only ever attain a reasonable % advantage, instead of an I win. This means that in a balanced environment with plenty of choice and customization, no given fit will drastically overshadow and other given fit. Move on to the fact that in DUST, player skill is the most important skill. I know plenty of monsters in this game, and in others. Hell, in pubs I AM a fiend most of the time (not always though  ) and I just use militia garbage or advanced stuff 90% of the time, not counting my Ishukone because God gun is God gun  Respecs promote diversity because contrary to popular belief, people generally skill into things that they find fun, or to skill away from things that are impossibly infuriating......
I don't know if I agree with you.
I think that if respecs were given out after every major rebalancing, the powergaming tryhards would move their SP into whatever the optimal suit/weapon/vehicle is, and would go back to pubstomping in their optimal fits. And then many average players would follow suit, thinking that its the suit/weapon that makes the tryhards so good, and we'd have less diversity.
So for example, if a respec were given out tomorrow, I imagine that a majority of the player base would change to Gal/Cal assaults armed with ARs. Most of the scouts and heavies would change over, and many of the vehicle pilots too. And while that would quickly show CCP where the perceived imbalance is, it would make for a really dull game in the mean time.
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Fist Groinpunch
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:52:00 -
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There will be even more Duvolle-armed Gal/Cal assaults then there are now, because scouts and heavies will skill into them too. And a bunch of Minmatar/Amarr players.
And why would players skill into sub-optimal suits/weapons if they got a respec? This is a competitive game. Playing at a disadvantage will make you die more. |
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