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PEW JACKSON
s i n g u l a r i t y
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:24:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:DeeJay One wrote:When there will be a permanent respec option (as in without any drawbacks) at least two things will happen: 1. Some hardcore players will leave because the promise of choices mattering was a thing (stated from the beginning! )that bought them to Dust in the first place. 2. After every patch the battle field will look the same, because everyone will spec into the new patches content.
Another thing that should happen then will be a split of Dust from EVE, as it won't matter for EVE capsuleers in any way - being built upon an entirely different universe mechanics choices.
At least I will surely leave and never look back (not that anyone cares ;) I can go for a 6 month cycle for repecs or a penalty. Not sure on what to use for the penalty howver.
6 month cool down can be the penalty. |
Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:32:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:PEW JACKSON wrote:To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!!
On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. 1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes. 2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u 3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out. 4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u 5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need. ofcourse if someone has 24m sp it does not matter, you can get 2 proto suits, 2 proto weapons along with core skills with it. in short, your tiny scrub ego would get hurt because others would get what they want... that is unfortunately not a valid reason against it but in fact a good reason for it.
You snooze you lose! It;s not my fault you were late to the game. I say put all you low sp players back in academy where you belong and let the big dogs duke it out on the field. All you fkers only run milita anyway. Not worth my bullet. Bunch of scared babies hiding all the time. I have one proto suit maxed, 2 guns maxed. The rest is in everything else. I maxed out lav's and DS. You dont hear me crying respec. Theres 7mill wasted. I play everyday way over cap. |
hamual jackson
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:46:00 -
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All theses replies stating a respect would do this to the game or ruin the game, are you guys serious? Look at the condition of game now a respec is not to blame and people leaving the game won't be because of a respec. I think majority against a respec are scared to lose there advantage. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
591
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:54:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:PEW JACKSON wrote:To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!!
On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. 1. It teaches KIDS there are no consequences for their mistakes. 2. It would give me my win button back.........bad 4 u 3. Once everyone got a respec, they would beg for another every time new items come out. 4. A respec will allow MORE people to be OP. Specing into OP weapons/suits..........also bad for u 5. A repec now would mean nothing else to look forward to! You will just use all the SP to get what you want now. Nothing left to work towards. Fighter jets ooooooo ahhhhhhhhh lol Respec All in all, I am VERY happy with my choices..........except a few. Wasted SP on LAv's, all dropships unlocked. I have 24mill sp. I have everything I need. ofcourse if someone has 24m sp it does not matter, you can get 2 proto suits, 2 proto weapons along with core skills with it. in short, your tiny scrub ego would get hurt because others would get what they want... that is unfortunately not a valid reason against it but in fact a good reason for it. You snooze you lose! It;s not my fault you were late to the game. I say put all you low sp players back in academy where you belong and let the big dogs duke it out on the field. All you fkers only run milita anyway. Not worth my bullet. Bunch of scared babies hiding all the time. I have one proto suit maxed, 2 guns maxed. The rest is in everything else. I maxed out lav's and DS. You dont hear me crying respec. Theres 7mill wasted. I play everyday way over cap. some scrub are really cute. like that no life grind of a 14 year old kid makes you better just because you have 25m sp. and btw I am in dust since the first beta codes were rolled out and am trying to save the game that you are just grinding and wasting money in. all the SP you have grinded and money your mommy invested will be worthless in 3 months when player count in prime time drops by another 2k like in the past 3 months and CCP decides to shut off the sideproject because there are no players funding the devs. |
RED FARM
Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords
2
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:57:00 -
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Easiest way is Repec option where you pay like 50M ISK and you lose 50% of your Skill Points. Then you are a broke ass clone most likely and have to buy open the skill books again. Thus, slowing your progress. Pay 100M and lose 25% SP. At least,CCP could say here ya go you have a repec option now.
Of course.... You'd have to pay 28k in AUR too cause F2P is not really F2P ;-) |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:36:00 -
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I don't understand players that do not want respecs?
Why, they don't really say, its more about flaming?
If it does not effect you why do you care? I don't drive Tanks, I am not weighing in on any forum issues about something that does not effect me directly. Well not to the point that I will troll players asking for it jus to say no, because CCP said. I am sure you want changes and want support for them.... |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1568
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:48:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:You mean its too hard to turn on passive sp and wait a month??
nobody will be here in a month because of the new games. idiot |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1568
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Posted - 2013.10.01 17:50:00 -
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low genius wrote:PEW JACKSON wrote:To all this may offend, STFU, A.O.D, HTFU, GTFOH, Kitten Kittening Kitten!!!!!
On a serious note: give me 5 reasons respecs are bad for Dust at this point in time. I'll give 5 why they will ultimately keep this game alive for CCP's 10 year plan. I gave you seven on page 2.
all I saw was FOTM and FOTM... |
SANS PEUR
america69
10
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:08:00 -
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yea its agreeable because new players are misinformed on so much of the basics. there is def a lack od=f tutorial value in game.... i got all my knowledge from d-uni and you guys |
fawkuima juggalo
Hollowed Kings
57
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:08:00 -
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whats the best way to go about a respec?......
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KA24DERT
Pure Innocence. EoN.
155
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:13:00 -
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Bread and Circus will save Rome. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1391
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:15:00 -
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GVGMODE wrote:After 20m SP the FoTM weapons literally is non-existent you can spec into at least 4 proto weapons, 2 dropsuits, proto modules and maybe one vehicle. CCP is constantly changing what we use making our decisions made months ago to mean nothing, it might bother veterans but it mainly hurts new players.
Let's say you are new, hence you know nothing of what works and what not and you spec into "X" thing and suddenly one day everything changes and it has no value for you anymore so know you have 1m spent into some crap, go tell those new player " LOL HTFU... CCP just made your loadout utterly useless hahahaha you must farm more SP to be barely useful again" ...mthat player is just going to quit and never look back.
DING DING DING
We have a winner.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1391
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:43:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:What the **** does that have to do with my experience with dropships?
How does that relate to actual ******* gameplay? To RDVs, to crazy ever changing physics, to random and un needed nerfs, to the over effectiveness of AV vs vehicles, to the lack of purpose for logistics ships in DUST 514
Quit pretending what DUST isn't and look at what it is.
So your solution is to have someone spend millions of SP into a path that offers no ISK, no SP, no satisfaction, no purpose, and a rapidly dwindling wallet....and tell them to enjoy, adapt and quit the QQ.
This ******* game. Shrugs shoulders. I still have about quarter million in dropships and still use them. I regret none of my expenditures in SP. ... well maybe biotics 5 after they reduced the biotics requirement down to 4 for kit kats. If I was given a respec I am sure I would get accused of cheating because I would probably proto out a few things instead. Bottom line Veterans make bigger mistakes, and know about the mistakes and brood on them. Giving a rookie a respec verses giving a veteran a respect has some profound amounts of deflection in terms of who gets harmed the most. A veteran can immensely widen the gap on his end by moving further out of reach of the rookie who could still by change and misinformation spend the skill points all wrong again. I mean lets say noob got pwned by tanks often in his ar fit, he decide to respec into tanks and find out they're really paper thin.
The gap isn't widened with a respec. I'm at 25 mil SP
-Proto Caldari Logi -Adv Min Assault -Assault Rifle Proficiency 3 -Shotgun Prof 3 -Mass Driver Prof 5 -Swarm Launcher Prof 3 -Grenades L5 -Uplinks, Nanocircuitry, Scanners all L5 -Shields- maxed -Armor L5, plates L3 (no armor repair skills) -CPU L5, PG L4
and on and on
Please tell me where me getting a respec would widen the gap between myself and a newer player who has just about everything under the sun at L3? By 6 or 7 million SP they realize how they want to play and see where they would take their character if given the opportunity.
If given a respec today I'd max out my armor plates with some SP I spent on LLAVs. That's about it.
In my opinion the biggest issue would be that guys like myself will probably get owned by some of the guys I described above. They'll specialize a bit more and be vastly improved on the battlefield.
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Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
123
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:56:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:NOTHING can save dust at this point! It is circling the drain. Bunch of broken promises equals rage quit. Most people won't come back just out of spite! There are many other FULLY FUNCTIONAL games to play. Dust will NEVER be anything more then a pipe dream. Every update, fk's something up. Getting old real quick. To all you people buying AUR/OMEGA............LMFAO suckers
> Called 'Dust Junky 4Life'. > Rants about how much this game sucks.
Irony at its finest. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1458
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:14:00 -
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I still cant honestly understand why they wont give us respecs. -The players that dont want them will still take advantage of them -The players that want/need them will be happy -Some old players will come back to test new stuff
Everybody wins. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1458
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:17:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:People saying ''no more respecs'' cannot stop people wanting them from asking.
At the end of the day, what the playerbase wants is what the company making the game should care. In its current state, arespec would make the game more entretaining and fun, and CCP really needs this. If making the game more fun is what you're looking for then there are countless things other than respecs that can do that. More unique maps and terrain. PVE Training rooms A more meaningful and interactive connection between Eve and DUST. More suits, weapons, vehicles, equipment and modules. Secondary market that players can control. Industry of some form involving districts. Battles occurring inside Eve spaceships like titans and player-owned customs offices. Better communication and coordination with faction warfare Eve pilots so that player-controlled orbitals can happen more often. Loyalty points and faction gear earned for winning faction battles for any faction you like. Pirate faction gear that requires at least two races trained up to use. Ability to roam freely on the planets without needing a battle.
Agreed,but while we get all of those (years) with a respec at least we can change play styles while playing the same maps,with the same people,over and over again... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6591
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:24:00 -
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I personally think the only argument against respecs is people who like to say 'no respecs' for the sake of saying 'no respecs'.
It's funny too how many of the so called anti respec people happily took advantage of the last respec.
Or those drama queens who have threatened to cancel their EVE subs if DUST ever gets respecs. LMFAO |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9156
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I personally think the only argument against respecs is people who like to say 'no respecs' for the sake of saying 'no respecs'. It's funny too how many of the so called anti respec people happily took advantage of the last respec. Or those drama queens who have threatened to cancel their EVE subs if DUST ever gets respecs. LMFAO
Poor argument considering most of us MUST spend Sp again in order to do anything and most of the players were rather a bit begrudged because they lost out in the end and was no where near as effective as they used to be. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6593
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I personally think the only argument against respecs is people who like to say 'no respecs' for the sake of saying 'no respecs'. It's funny too how many of the so called anti respec people happily took advantage of the last respec. Or those drama queens who have threatened to cancel their EVE subs if DUST ever gets respecs. LMFAO Poor argument considering most of us MUST spend Sp again in order to do anything and most of the players were rather a bit begrudged because they lost out in the end and was no where near as effective as they used to be. What?
No really....what? That post makes no sense to me >_<
Are you saying that people who respec'd were upset? If you take your respecs and waste them on bad builds, you just have to wait for your cooldown to burn out and you can respec again.
People who cry about people gaining an advantage with respecs are probably not too good at this game. I can confidently say you could give at least 70% of this community 20 million SP and all the ISK they could handle and I would STILL top pubs with 0 SP and militia gear. If SP is supposed to be < player skill then respecs would never ever harm balance because player skill > SP
It's strictly a matter of having fun, something DUST most certainly does not support (not anymore so than any other dry shooter out there) |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1459
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I personally think the only argument against respecs is people who like to say 'no respecs' for the sake of saying 'no respecs'. It's funny too how many of the so called anti respec people happily took advantage of the last respec. Or those drama queens who have threatened to cancel their EVE subs if DUST ever gets respecs. LMFAO Poor argument considering most of us MUST spend Sp again in order to do anything and most of the players were rather a bit begrudged because they lost out in the end and was no where near as effective as they used to be.
Because they specced into FOTM
We dont have FOTM right now.And everybody has ARs as it is,so no harm done. |
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thesupertman
Better Hide R Die
53
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:42:00 -
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Doing the same thing every time I play dust is boring. Give respecs. Or a respec system. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6597
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:43:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Because they specced into FOTM
We dont have FOTM right now.And everybody has ARs as it is,so no harm done. What's most amusing is that CCP should actually be frothing at the mouth for people to be able to spec FOTM at will, as this will allow them to quickly and accurately identify balance issues, allowing them to address them and be done with it. Since everyone will have the option to respec, it won't hurt so bad when CCP balances things out.
It's painfully clear that we the player base are infinitely more aware of how to break CCPs game (outside of code) so it stands to reason that while we're still in beta, we be given the proper tools to beta test and assure that this game reaches a solid, stable point, where diversity is king. |
GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
63
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:47:00 -
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I would like to play a nova minmatar scout. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
294
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:51:00 -
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No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyers remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past. |
PEW JACKSON
s i n g u l a r i t y
53
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:55:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyers remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past.
Right becuase speccing scout, dropship, and hmg was sooo FOTM. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
6598
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:57:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyers remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past. Because people never get bored, and never change their minds, or develop new playstyles.
It's always because someone was trying to game the system. FOTM only effects players without too much personal skill anyways, in which case no amount of respecs is going to help them regardless. If it's truly unbalanced, then you should be leaping for joy that it's being made obvious so CCP can address it. If it's just good, then get good or keep dying scrub. |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
294
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:16:00 -
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PEW JACKSON wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyers remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past. Right becuase speccing scout, dropship, and hmg was sooo FOTM. im sorry to see you speced into it too deeply befroe you realized it wasn't worth it,here have a repsec and spec into something else,oh whats that you spec into another skill sink,have another... maybe you should learn some SP investment and management skills and get them to lvl 5. |
PEW JACKSON
s i n g u l a r i t y
54
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:20:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:PEW JACKSON wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyers remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past. Right becuase speccing scout, dropship, and hmg was sooo FOTM. im sorry to see you speced into it too deeply befroe you realized it wasn't worth it,here have a repsec and spec into something else,oh whats that you spec into another skill sink,have another... maybe you should learn some SP investment and management skills and get them to lvl 5.
I speak for others that specced those things.
I'm a LR wielding Minnie scout that very much enjoys basking in the smoke from melt faces |
Buttercup Chipmint
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2013.10.01 23:00:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:PEW JACKSON wrote:Johnny Guilt wrote:No respecs,the only thing respsecs are going to save currently are the players with buyers remorse for specing into past FoTM too deeply in the past. Right becuase speccing scout, dropship, and hmg was sooo FOTM. im sorry to see you speced into it too deeply befroe you realized it wasn't worth it,here have a repsec and spec into something else,oh whats that you spec into another skill sink,have another... maybe you should learn some SP investment and management skills and get them to lvl 5.
How would me getting a respec affect you?
You the best SP investor that has ever graced New Eden!
Why oh great one are you so against people having fun with this game? As is now I do not play this game.
Does this help or hurt DUST?
Is it better to have people playing this game or not playing because they are bored? |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
235
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Posted - 2013.10.01 23:04:00 -
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No to respecs.
You made your choices, live with them. That is life. Tough.
Adjust. That is what I did. Rather than cry about skilling into the SCR, I adjusted my playstyle and now, I have to say, I am damn good with it.
More attention needs to be paid to expanding the game's content, not catering to crybabies that messed up on a couple of things and want the slate wiped clean because of it.
You messed up and skilled into something you didn't mean to? Not anyone else's fault but your own, whether you went for FOTM, your grandma accidentally skilled into Amarr heavy when you are a Gallente scout when you weren't looking or you JUST HAD to have that awesome plasma cannon because...well...it LOOKED cool.
I am not one to rant on here, but a constant call for Respecs irritates me. I know that they will never end, only partially subside, but people need to live with the errors they make. If life had a damn respec, I would be a cardiovascular surgeon. Alas...it doesn't work quite like that. |
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