DUST Search - Announcement:Update on Uprising 1.5

Vell0cet wrote:

Chances Ghost wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

gbh08 wrote:

Like, i look at eve with the sh!t ton of ships and modules, and naturally think ccp's a bit of a boss at this kind of thing, whats making it so difficult?

It's taken EVE 10 years of balancing to get there, and there are still OP weapons, modules and ships. They are working on a game wide ship rebalance and it's going to take a long time to get through them all. It's a slow and difficult process.

the wierd part is they diddnt bring any of that balancing experiance to dust.

they are making mistakes in dust that they learned to fix in eve

I think that's a fair criticism. The lack of a testing environment for players to submit feedback has been one of the most outstanding issues from my perspective. I can't imagine trying to develop a game on the scale of DUST with a limited team and no test server for players to beta test upcoming changes. A lot of the major hiccups might have been caught earlier like the TAC-AR issues at the launch of Uprising, or the shotgun hit detection bug in 1.4. I also think CCP is improving it's approach and getting the community involved earlier in the process (as evidenced by this thread). Yes it can be more painful, and you're going to have to deal with more whining on the forums, but the released content will be much better.

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Our Deepest Regret Algintal Core Gallente Federation 250	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:44:00 - [61] - Quote Oh, fiddlesticks. Ah well. At least it it gives me more time to build up SP. I still need Armor plate level 5, but 770,000 points is soooo steep.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 853	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:44:00 - [62] - Quote I'm mad.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1218	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:45:00 - [63] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: M McManus wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Jack McReady wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: So as was posted by CCP Saberwing, a couple of things have been pushed back that were originally going to be in Uprising 1.5. The two big ones are the vehicle changes and the new weapons. isnt 1.5 all about those two topics, what will 1.5 include then? Squad Finder Corp Roles (your CEO in particular will be happy) New/More WP rewards First set of better tutorials No individual ADS sensitivity sliders ? Unfortunately that also got pushed back. It's still on it's way, just not in 1.5. Could you not sneak in a bubble shield... or trees
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 922	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:46:00 - [64] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: is it delayed because you figured out you cant balance vehicles without fixing the rendering problem? :P Einstein believed the best questions were the simplest ones. +1 Chances ghost ;) besty part is that its like the devs are banned from talking about the subject. first post in the most visable thread possable about vehicles... and still no response on rendering :P its true though, you cant balance vehicles in the current rendering environment. not being able to see is such a powerful nerf that you would either have to make them cost next to nothing, or make them SUPER OP in every other way to compensate. plus they are slowly figuring out that the militia to proto gear model isnt going to actually work as they try as best they can to figure out what a proto tank is supposed to look like.
General John Ripper TeamPlayers EoN. 2520	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:47:00 - [65] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: I'm mad. Hug and a cookie? Taco? Don't be too upset.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 531	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:47:00 - [66] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Jack McReady wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Squad Finder Corp Roles (your CEO in particular will be happy) New/More WP rewards First set of better tutorials this is great :) Tada ain't just no more lone wolfing cause I can't find a squad!! Logibro will the squad finder include the ability to choose mic or non-mic only squads? this feature would make squad finder perfect! <3 Prescisely, LogiBro you got a statement for that? Will we be able to choosd squads who are (non)mic only? I like to chat with the squad and non talkers emd up feeling like a 3rd wheel!
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 449	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:55:00 - [67] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Jack McReady wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: So as was posted by CCP Saberwing, a couple of things have been pushed back that were originally going to be in Uprising 1.5. The two big ones are the vehicle changes and the new weapons. isnt 1.5 all about those two topics, what will 1.5 include then? Squad Finder Corp Roles (your CEO in particular will be happy) >> New/More WP rewards << >> First set of better tutorials << YES PLEASE! Seriously, you guys are adding in more rewards for stuff we already do AND improving NPE!?? +1 to both of those!
J Lav OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 218	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:55:00 - [68] - Quote As far as vehicles go, I see a numerical disparity in the existing setup that might be helpful to look at in balancing the vehicles, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107009&find=unread Basically the damage of AV weapons and the survivability of Vehicles leaps from level to level in astronomical steps. That makes the whole system impossible to balance. I still maintain that how it is that every other game out there can have a dumb-fire AV weapon that isn't OP, except CCP is beyond me.
gbh08 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 170	Posted - 2013.09.18 13:58:00 - [69] - Quote yep my tank alt is disapoint I dont even understand how hard it can be to fix the tanks up a little bit, sure i have no fecking clue myself how to fix them without making them op, but i didnt choose game development as my profession...... Surely its just tweaking some numbers till you get it right? lol Like, i look at eve with the sh!t ton of ships and modules, and naturally think ccp's a bit of a boss at this kind of thing, whats making it so difficult? while we wait, can you just buff the shield booster so its a little more on par with the amour tanks, and let us remove the passenger turrets in 1.5?? dont mean to sound like a misrable cu.nt, the games come a long way since uprising and its great you give us a heads up about things lately, just a little disapointed
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 525	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:01:00 - [70] - Quote While I'm disappointed for the vehicles guys in D-UNI as long as we get a real chance to now look at proposed changes before they go live, which is the second best thing to having a public test server, then I can live with it. However, this had better work so that the community can see that they can see that they are having an effect on game development before it hits TQ. Otherwise there is going to some backlash.

Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 236	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:02:00 - [71] - Quote gbh08 wrote: Like, i look at eve with the sh!t ton of ships and modules, and naturally think ccp's a bit of a boss at this kind of thing, whats making it so difficult? It's taken EVE 10 years of balancing to get there, and there are still OP weapons, modules and ships. They are working on a game wide ship rebalance and it's going to take a long time to get through them all. It's a slow and difficult process.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 922	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:04:00 - [72] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: gbh08 wrote: Like, i look at eve with the sh!t ton of ships and modules, and naturally think ccp's a bit of a boss at this kind of thing, whats making it so difficult? It's taken EVE 10 years of balancing to get there, and there are still OP weapons, modules and ships. They are working on a game wide ship rebalance and it's going to take a long time to get through them all. It's a slow and difficult process. the wierd part is they diddnt bring any of that balancing experiance to dust. they are making mistakes in dust that they learned to fix in eve
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 526	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:10:00 - [73] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Jack McReady wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: So as was posted by CCP Saberwing, a couple of things have been pushed back that were originally going to be in Uprising 1.5. The two big ones are the vehicle changes and the new weapons. isnt 1.5 all about those two topics, what will 1.5 include then? Squad Finder Corp Roles (your CEO in particular will be happy) New/More WP rewards First set of better tutorials Happy?! HAPPY?!!! Halle-fekking-lujah!!!!!!! 'Nuff said.
THE LEGENDARY WARRIOR THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 0	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:12:00 - [74] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Hey guys So as was posted by CCP Saberwing, a couple of things have been pushed back that were originally going to be in Uprising 1.5. The two big ones are the vehicle changes and the new weapons. I'm sure you're wondering why. At this stage, we didn't feel happy with how they were and instead of putting them out half way we decided to put some more time into working on them. So they're not scrapped, just delayed. However, there is some good news. What this also means is that we'll be posting what we have so far on the forums starting next week for you guys to give feedback before any of this stuff hits Tranquility. This will allow you to give us your take on what's coming soon to a marketplace near you. This will include both the vehicle changes, changed rifle ranges and the new weapon stats. We still have some new stuff coming in 1.5 such as Squad Finder, Corp Roles, New WP rewards and the first set of new tutorials. I would ask that you keep all discussion of this to this thread, and I will be locking and directing any other threads on this matter to this thread. Thanks for your patience and understanding guys. We're looking forward to your feedback. (And if you're wondering where the vehicle feedback thread went to, it's been moved to Feedback/Requests to make room on GD front page.) Corp roles. alright!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1253	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:15:00 - [75] - Quote They need to give these guys some more resources to work with. There is a lot of doom and gloom on these forums so I hate to do it, but I just don't see it. It's so hard to try and schedule a PC battle right now because you just don't know if people are going to log in. The matchmaking deal put the finishing touches on many people who were on the fence. There's A LOT of people who've been in a holding pattern to see what's done with vehicles. With the release of some new games, I'm thinking this is going to be a pretty empty server soon. I hope I'm wrong, but in my opinion we are seeing the end.
Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 236	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:18:00 - [76] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Vell0cet wrote: gbh08 wrote: Like, i look at eve with the sh!t ton of ships and modules, and naturally think ccp's a bit of a boss at this kind of thing, whats making it so difficult? It's taken EVE 10 years of balancing to get there, and there are still OP weapons, modules and ships. They are working on a game wide ship rebalance and it's going to take a long time to get through them all. It's a slow and difficult process. the wierd part is they diddnt bring any of that balancing experiance to dust. they are making mistakes in dust that they learned to fix in eve I think that's a fair criticism. The lack of a testing environment for players to submit feedback has been one of the most outstanding issues from my perspective. I can't imagine trying to develop a game on the scale of DUST with a limited team and no test server for players to beta test upcoming changes. A lot of the major hiccups might have been caught earlier like the TAC-AR issues at the launch of Uprising, or the shotgun hit detection bug in 1.4. I also think CCP is improving it's approach and getting the community involved earlier in the process (as evidenced by this thread). Yes it can be more painful, and you're going to have to deal with more whining on the forums, but the released content will be much better.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 391	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:18:00 - [77] - Quote This is why we can't have a roadmap, they have no clue where they are going.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 917	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:19:00 - [78] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: Vell0cet wrote: gbh08 wrote: Like, i look at eve with the sh!t ton of ships and modules, and naturally think ccp's a bit of a boss at this kind of thing, whats making it so difficult? It's taken EVE 10 years of balancing to get there, and there are still OP weapons, modules and ships. They are working on a game wide ship rebalance and it's going to take a long time to get through them all. It's a slow and difficult process. the wierd part is they diddnt bring any of that balancing experiance to dust. they are making mistakes in dust that they learned to fix in eve In their defence things are very different in DUST because players have direct control of the characters/vehicles, and that direct control is a powerful magnifier of any imbalances. Imo Eve is also a very clean balancing environment because there is range and falloff, but no cover.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 855	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:21:00 - [79] - Quote I wasn't planning on it BC I was excited for 1.5, but now that vehicle changes have been pushed back, I'm gonna go play GTA5.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 922	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:25:00 - [80] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Vell0cet wrote: gbh08 wrote: Like, i look at eve with the sh!t ton of ships and modules, and naturally think ccp's a bit of a boss at this kind of thing, whats making it so difficult? It's taken EVE 10 years of balancing to get there, and there are still OP weapons, modules and ships. They are working on a game wide ship rebalance and it's going to take a long time to get through them all. It's a slow and difficult process. the wierd part is they diddnt bring any of that balancing experiance to dust. they are making mistakes in dust that they learned to fix in eve In their defence things are very different in DUST because players have direct control of the characters/vehicles, and that direct control is a powerful magnifier of any imbalances. Imo Eve is also a very clean balancing environment because there is range and falloff, but no cover. they learned that tiers dont work... we have tiers they spent 10 years designing their skill system... and yet the skill system we have is similar but completly different in how it interacts with gear

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1255	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:25:00 - [81] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: Vell0cet wrote: gbh08 wrote: Like, i look at eve with the sh!t ton of ships and modules, and naturally think ccp's a bit of a boss at this kind of thing, whats making it so difficult? It's taken EVE 10 years of balancing to get there, and there are still OP weapons, modules and ships. They are working on a game wide ship rebalance and it's going to take a long time to get through them all. It's a slow and difficult process. the wierd part is they diddnt bring any of that balancing experiance to dust. they are making mistakes in dust that they learned to fix in eve I think that's a fair criticism. The lack of a testing environment for players to submit feedback has been one of the most outstanding issues from my perspective. I can't imagine trying to develop a game on the scale of DUST with a limited team and no test server for players to beta test upcoming changes. A lot of the major hiccups might have been caught earlier like the TAC-AR issues at the launch of Uprising, or the shotgun hit detection bug in 1.4. I also think CCP is improving it's approach and getting the community involved earlier in the process (as evidenced by this thread). Yes it can be more painful, and you're going to have to deal with more whining on the forums, but the released content will be much better. The problem is that you get a week of Dev give a **** like this then they go into a shell. The vehicle thing getting pushed back 3 months from when it was supposed to get released is a pretty big deal. With so many other things not getting any attention it's a clear indication that there are simply not enough resources at their disposal to pull this off.
Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 238	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:27:00 - [82] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: They need to give these guys some more resources to work with. I agree. CCP should beg/borrow/steal some money to get a few more developers on the team. At least until they get the initial content released with all racial suits, vehicles, a decent variety of maps, the foundation of the core mechanics in place, and a working PS4 version. After that, they can scale back some and focus on 6-month updates like EVE. Quote: There is a lot of doom and gloom on these forums so I hate to do it, but I just don't see it. It's so hard to try and schedule a PC battle right now because you just don't know if people are going to log in. The matchmaking deal put the finishing touches on many people who were on the fence. There's A LOT of people who've been in a holding pattern to see what's done with vehicles. With the release of some new games, I'm thinking this is going to be a pretty empty server soon. I hope I'm wrong, but in my opinion we are seeing the end. I think you're wrong. I'm not going anywhere (and if I do I'll still be running passive boosters). This game is so unique that it tends to hold people's interest despite it's flaws. I realize CCP is on borrowed time though, and I think they know it too.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 939	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:35:00 - [83] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: I wasn't planning on it BC I was excited for 1.5, but now that vehicle changes have been pushed back, I'm gonna go play GTA5. Have fun. I'd normally take schadenfreude in all your hype being killed by something so quick, but it's killed me too. Personally I was really looking forward to the new guns and hoping against hope some were Minmatar, but now... Dragon's Dogma and Dragon's Crown are one trophy from platinum...
Nick nugg3t United Universe Corp 162	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:36:00 - [84] - Quote so let me get this straight. new weapons will NOT be coming out In 1.5?

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1999	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:37:00 - [85] - Quote Nick nugg3t wrote: so let me get this straight. new weapons will NOT be coming out In 1.5? Not in 1.5. We're aiming for 1.6, but that's not going to be confirmed till we get closer to it's release date. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

pyramidhead 420 Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:38:00 - [86] - Quote ccp knows october is its last chance to grab its fans back and thats why they pushed their "major" update back to october. once new systems drop and new shooters come out in november, well we all know whats gonna happen
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 6018	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:39:00 - [87] - Quote I have fallen into despair! I have been waiting since May for new racial variants. Guess it will be a full 6 months before we see any. I appreciate the heads up. I would prefer if 1.5 was delayed a week or 2 instead of waiting for another month.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 236	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:41:00 - [88] - Quote YES. As much as balance is good, I, for one, LOVE the idea of roles and squad finders. That being said, the squad finder needs to behave identically to the fleet finder in EVE with the added benefit of allowing players to join a match already in progress. If both are not included, its sort of a waste of effort. It's great if I can put up squad adverts to my Alliance, but if they can't join me in match, then I'm still in the same spot where I have to wait in my CQ until the squad fills, wasting a good 10-15 minutes of game time. When I jump over to Dust from EVE for some quick matches, wasting 10-15 minutes defeats the purpose, IMO. And I really hope these roles include, but not limited to: -Recruitment -Communications (mail/MOTD <-- add this ASAP) -Planetary Management -PC Squad leader So I can encourage the various CEO's to not give roles to those that insist on spamming Alliance mail like the 13-year-olds that my EVE players think Dust players are.
J3f3r20n Gh057 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 109	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:43:00 - [89] - Quote I hope that new "tutorial" thing doesn't mean more pop-up windows full of text.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 224	Posted - 2013.09.18 14:54:00 - [90] - Quote Good stuff thanks for update would love a date those



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