DUST Search - Announcement:Update on Uprising 1.5

Heathen Bastard wrote:

calisk galern wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

nope. they've been dead silent except telling us that it was planned for 1.4, then moved to 1.5, and I'm pretty sure that when that gets close, they'll push it to 1.6, then 7, then 2.0, then they'll just announce that they're flat out lying to us and vehicles are actually getting nerfed deeper into the ground.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183027#post1183027

Called it, over a month ago. How does anyone maintain faith in CCP at this point?

or ....vehicles are just really hard to balance, feel free to tell us how you would do it so we can promply point out all the flaws in your plan.

HP buffs to all vehicles barring LAVs(~5%), minor damage nerfs to AV(~5%) weaponry, AV grenades become contact grenades with high damage, but a tiny radius(flaylock LV.1 sized, you want your massive damage, you earn it).

15% price reduction across the board for vehicles and turrets(modules seem just about right in pricing V. effectiveness).

seems like a decent start, not a huge rework(they have the code for contact grenades in already), its all just a numbers shift.

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CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1974	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:30:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys So as was posted by CCP Saberwing, a couple of things have been pushed back that were originally going to be in Uprising 1.5. The two big ones are the vehicle changes and the new weapons. I'm sure you're wondering why. At this stage, we didn't feel happy with how they were and instead of putting them out half way we decided to put some more time into working on them. So they're not scrapped, just delayed. However, there is some good news. What this also means is that we'll be posting what we have so far on the forums starting next week for you guys to give feedback before any of this stuff hits Tranquility. This will allow you to give us your take on what's coming soon to a marketplace near you. This will include both the vehicle changes, changed rifle ranges and the new weapon stats. I would ask that you keep all discussion of this to this thread, and I will be locking and directing any other threads on this matter to this thread. Thanks for your patience and understanding guys. We're looking forward to your feedback. (And if you're wondering where the vehicle feedback thread went to, it's been moved to Feedback/Requests to make room on GD front page.) CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

Kasote Denzara A Vulture 259	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:32:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved.
Chances Ghost D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 916	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:34:00 - [3] - Quote is it delayed because you figured out you cant balance vehicles without fixing the rendering problem? :P
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1630	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:36:00 - [4] - Quote Reserved as well.
Captain-Awesome Imperfects Negative-Feedback 497	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:37:00 - [5] - Quote a build is a build, just glad there is progress.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 614	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:37:00 - [6] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: nope. they've been dead silent except telling us that it was planned for 1.4, then moved to 1.5, and I'm pretty sure that when that gets close, they'll push it to 1.6, then 7, then 2.0, then they'll just announce that they're flat out lying to us and vehicles are actually getting nerfed deeper into the ground. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183027#post1183027 Called it, over a month ago. How does anyone maintain faith in CCP at this point?
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 742	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:43:00 - [7] - Quote Can you give us any preliminary numbers? Will you also tell us why you didn't like how the changes were coming?
Funkmaster Whale Daedali Inc. 622	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:43:00 - [8] - Quote This is sad news. So in a time when a bunch of new games are coming out you're withholding what a good portion of the population (vehicle specialists) saw as their last respite. Expect some backlash. Also, considering you guys are not releasing anything new this month I myself have really been getting sour with the progress of the game. No new weapons? No vehicle rebalance? No new game modes? No new dropsuits? PC STILL laggy as all hell and boring nonetheless. I'm sure others are starting to feel the same way about the game, false promises aside. Sorry CCP, I've been a big supporter of this project but you can only play Paddle Ball for so long before you realize how bored you are and realize it's time to move on.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1976	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:44:00 - [9] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you give us any preliminary numbers? Will you also tell us why you didn't like how the changes were coming? Like I said in the OP, next week. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 955	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:44:00 - [10] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: nope. they've been dead silent except telling us that it was planned for 1.4, then moved to 1.5, and I'm pretty sure that when that gets close, they'll push it to 1.6, then 7, then 2.0, then they'll just announce that they're flat out lying to us and vehicles are actually getting nerfed deeper into the ground. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183027#post1183027 Called it, over a month ago. How does anyone maintain faith in CCP at this point? or ....vehicles are just really hard to balance, feel free to tell us how you would do it so we can promply point out all the flaws in your plan.

Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 574	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:44:00 - [11] - Quote I'd much rather have feedback time then changes now, so I'm cool with this.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 746	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:46:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: So they're not scrapped, just delayed. You said the same about PvE. CCP Logibro wrote: However, there is some good news. next week for you guys to give feedback before any of this stuff hits Tranquility. You said the same thing last week. About a devblog coming out this week.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 435	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:46:00 - [13] - Quote I said is once, and I will repeat myself: Quote: No vehicle balance is bad news, but no new weapons are even worse for me :-(. I feel like a sad panda.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1209	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:46:00 - [14] - Quote Suggestion: Tweak some of the fairly obvious NUMBERS in 1.5 - give tanks 20% increased HP across the board, 10% PG/CPU boost and triple the shield boost amount so it is similar to currently-bugged armor rep rates. At least do some triage on the issue.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 525	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:47:00 - [15] - Quote Well if I might, can we see the finished models for the weapons as well, it will keep alot of them sweet! Also what are/were your plans concerning the GAR, with us having all racial varients, do you intend to rebalance the GAR as part of .6, or wait till .7 once we've had a chance to test drive?
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 955	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:48:00 - [16] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: Suggestion: Tweak some of the fairly obvious NUMBERS in 1.5 - give tanks 20% increased HP across the board, 10% PG/CPU boost and triple the shield boost amount so it is similar to currently-bugged armor rep rates. At least do some triage on the issue. so your suggestion is not to balance av versus vehicles, or vehicles versus infantry, it's just to majorly buff vehicles so that they rarely die. if all they wanted to do was make vehicles indestructible i'm pretty sure they could of had this patch out 2 months ago.
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 823	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:49:00 - [17] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I'd much rather have feedback time then changes now, so I'm cool with this. Smart man.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 913	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:50:00 - [18] - Quote Chances Ghost wrote: is it delayed because you figured out you cant balance vehicles without fixing the rendering problem? :P Einstein believed the best questions were the simplest ones. +1 Chances ghost ;)
Gringo Nos Nameless Air Cavalry 30	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:51:00 - [19] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: nope. they've been dead silent except telling us that it was planned for 1.4, then moved to 1.5, and I'm pretty sure that when that gets close, they'll push it to 1.6, then 7, then 2.0, then they'll just announce that they're flat out lying to us and vehicles are actually getting nerfed deeper into the ground. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183027#post1183027 Called it, over a month ago. How does anyone maintain faith in CCP at this point? Reluctantly I have to give you that one. Still hoping your wrong about "1.6, then 7, then 2.0" though.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 913	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:52:00 - [20] - Quote Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I'd much rather have feedback time then changes now, so I'm cool with this. Smart man. Amen.

Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 1210	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:52:00 - [21] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: Suggestion: Tweak some of the fairly obvious NUMBERS in 1.5 - give tanks 20% increased HP across the board, 10% PG/CPU boost and triple the shield boost amount so it is similar to currently-bugged armor rep rates. At least do some triage on the issue. so your suggestion is not to balance av versus vehicles, or vehicles versus infantry, it's just to majorly buff vehicles so that they rarely die. if all they wanted to do was make vehicles indestructible i'm pretty sure they could of had this patch out 2 months ago. Ok take out the 20% increased HP part if that is too much (wouldn't make them indestructable TBQH though lol). Buff the PG/CPU and give shield tanks a reason to exist. FYI, I'm primarily an AV guy not a tanker ... I'm suggesting a temporary solution to patch some of the glaring issues to make tanking more bearable in the interim as CCP completely redesigns the system.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 549	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:52:00 - [22] - Quote Do you hear that, its the band playing as the Titanic sinks into the void. Silly tanker you thought you were special, have you not learned anything from the heavies and scouts. Like scouts and heavies you are not 1st on the list, if you had an A or R in your name you might have been.
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 101	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:52:00 - [23] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Can you give us any preliminary numbers? Will you also tell us why you didn't like how the changes were coming? Did you not read the post?
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 617	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:53:00 - [24] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: nope. they've been dead silent except telling us that it was planned for 1.4, then moved to 1.5, and I'm pretty sure that when that gets close, they'll push it to 1.6, then 7, then 2.0, then they'll just announce that they're flat out lying to us and vehicles are actually getting nerfed deeper into the ground. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183027#post1183027 Called it, over a month ago. How does anyone maintain faith in CCP at this point? or ....vehicles are just really hard to balance, feel free to tell us how you would do it so we can promply point out all the flaws in your plan. HP buffs to all vehicles barring LAVs(~5%), minor damage nerfs to AV(~5%) weaponry, AV grenades become contact grenades with high damage, but a tiny radius(flaylock LV.1 sized, you want your massive damage, you earn it). 15% price reduction across the board for vehicles and turrets(modules seem just about right in pricing V. effectiveness). seems like a decent start, not a huge rework(they have the code for contact grenades in already), its all just a numbers shift.
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Top Men. 118	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:53:00 - [25] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: nope. they've been dead silent except telling us that it was planned for 1.4, then moved to 1.5, and I'm pretty sure that when that gets close, they'll push it to 1.6, then 7, then 2.0, then they'll just announce that they're flat out lying to us and vehicles are actually getting nerfed deeper into the ground. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183027#post1183027 Called it, over a month ago. How does anyone maintain faith in CCP at this point? It's super easy to predict failure and super difficult to aim high and succeed. But I guess you deserve a cookie for your Nostradamus-like future sight. ('.) <-- there it is. You earned it! so round cookie 4 u saw failure in game wow u did it here cookie 2 chocolate chips
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 525	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:54:00 - [26] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I'd much rather have feedback time then changes now, so I'm cool with this. Smart man. Amen. Amen Amen Can you do this for .7 as well?
Gringo Nos Nameless Air Cavalry 30	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:56:00 - [27] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: calisk galern wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: nope. they've been dead silent except telling us that it was planned for 1.4, then moved to 1.5, and I'm pretty sure that when that gets close, they'll push it to 1.6, then 7, then 2.0, then they'll just announce that they're flat out lying to us and vehicles are actually getting nerfed deeper into the ground. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183027#post1183027 Called it, over a month ago. How does anyone maintain faith in CCP at this point? or ....vehicles are just really hard to balance, feel free to tell us how you would do it so we can promply point out all the flaws in your plan. HP buffs to all vehicles barring LAVs(~5%), minor damage nerfs to AV(~5%) weaponry, AV grenades become contact grenades with high damage, but a tiny radius(flaylock LV.1 sized, you want your massive damage, you earn it). 15% price reduction across the board for vehicles and turrets(modules seem just about right in pricing V. effectiveness). seems like a decent start, not a huge rework(they have the code for contact grenades in already), its all just a numbers shift. Quite like these ideas and they don't seem op either.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 1978	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:56:00 - [28] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: So they're not scrapped, just delayed. You said the same about PvE. CCP Logibro wrote: However, there is some good news. next week for you guys to give feedback before any of this stuff hits Tranquility. You said the same thing last week. About a devblog coming out this week. I believe what you're referring to was Foxfour saying he was writing a dev blog this week. It's not finished yet, but it's getting closer. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 617	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:56:00 - [29] - Quote Sigberct Amni wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: nope. they've been dead silent except telling us that it was planned for 1.4, then moved to 1.5, and I'm pretty sure that when that gets close, they'll push it to 1.6, then 7, then 2.0, then they'll just announce that they're flat out lying to us and vehicles are actually getting nerfed deeper into the ground. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1183027#post1183027 Called it, over a month ago. How does anyone maintain faith in CCP at this point? It's super easy to predict failure and super difficult to aim high and succeed. But I guess you deserve a cookie for your Nostradamus-like future sight. ('.) <-- there it is. You earned it! so round cookie 4 u saw failure in game wow u did it here cookie 2 chocolate chips NOMNOMNOM! Thanks! It's only easy to predict if there's an established pattern.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 931	Posted - 2013.09.18 12:57:00 - [30] - Quote I stop caring what was put into the patch notes on the forums. The community is still just going to pick it to bits, and then whine with dozens of threads that the thing they wanted wasn't put in. Between that, and a overly cynical community when it comes to updates, to avoid pre-release whining, CCP probably could just hold the notes until release. However, out if kindness, the probably are going to release the notes anyway, and I get to watch a show. grabs popcorn



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