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Now, please tell me again how they are balanced?

Because it's not fair that the best counter to a tank should be another tank. The best counter to a tank is supposed to be a nuclear baseball that can be replenished extremely fast.

1.5.

Working as intended.

(This is to compensate for Mercs having worse throwing skittles than Tim Tebow.)

We can only hope.

I want epic tank battles in matches, not some scout running towards me spamming Lai Dais.

You know it can carry like 3 nades and explosives are 20% more effective in amours so the damage that was dealt was probably of those three nades that he dropped in sequence. although he might have been near a nanohives giving him more grenades.

Or maybe is a glitch i don't ******* know. i'm no math teacher.

Can't balance tanks without balancing their direct counter.

The damage bonus against armor is more like 30-35%.

No it's 20%. I can assure you that.

thats total damage taken over the lifetime of your tank you know that right?

who cares. 10,000 DPS is OP. 4 of those could take out a CRU.

swarms need damage cut in half. av grenades need it cut by 75%. im completely serious.

thats total damage taken over the lifetime of your tank you know that right?

No

If I die towards the end of the match, it doesn't show "25,000 damage received."

Because it's not fair that the best counter to a tank should be another tank. The best counter to a tank is supposed to be a nuclear baseball that can be replenished extremely fast.

Thinking about the AV nade is head scratching in it'self just because of what it is: A lock on nade that explodes on impact with it's target and does massive damage.

We used to have something similar for infantry termination I believe,bring those back and let's see the forums explode.

You cannot be serious.

No

If I die towards the end of the match, it doesn't show "25,000 damage received."

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Now, please tell me again how they are balanced?

No

If I die towards the end of the match, it doesn't show "25,000 damage received."

Because it requires the user to be in very close range to the vehicle, much like a shotgun does a lot of damage (even OHK), and being at such close range makes it very easy for a tanker to kill the player in just a second.

Because it requires the user to be in very close range to the vehicle, much like a shotgun does a lot of damage (even OHK), and being at such close range makes it very easy for a tanker to kill the player in just a second.

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Now, please tell me again how they are balanced?

No because you didn't live that long to get 25k damage and restore it in one clone.

This is only for that vehicle.

Not entirely sure, but I think the damage done is given to the one who got the last shot in.

So you were probably being pummeled by forges and swarms for about 5-10 minuets, then decided it was time to casually stroll away to rep your health back and some lucky infantry player chucked an AV nade at you for the finishing blow. Thus rewarding him all the damage everybody else was applying to you.

Then can we bring back contact grenades, too? i'll cary 3 k-2s and play grenadier.

Because it requires the user to be in very close range to the vehicle, much like a shotgun does a lot of damage (even OHK), and being at such close range makes it very easy for a tanker to kill the player in just a second.

no. lol. i've been blown up enough times to know what that number is.

Can tanks even be balanced against each other?

The best counter to a tank should be another tank.

I'm sick of lame and boring tank fights because someone on either team has ADV / PRO AV. I want to kill that tank by myself. I'd rather blow up to that tanker than someone running at me and spamming AV grenades.

Then go play world of tanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2upxZigECyk

Similar to what AV grenades do, cept hand carried and much smarter.

It's total damage dealt by that player. If he hits you with an AV grenade, you back away and recover, repeat umpteen times, you will see those numbers if he ever actually gets you. And it will show 25000 damage received at the end of the match.

This.

Please continue ignoring it so that you can QQ about how unfair the world to you tankers is some more.

No it isn't. If that were true, the damage would be more like 50,000

Assaults complained about contact grenades, and they got nerfed. We complain about AV grenades, and nothing happens.

Please stop commenting back to me.

Well hello again! I'm sorry to say that you will never get what you want out of HAVs in this game. You see, making HAVs be near invincible irritates people playing infantry, and makes them quit the game after they get stomped by something they aren't able to kill. And there's way more infantry than tankers, so CCP will always side with the infantry crowd, seeing as they make up 95% of Dust's population. Sorry again.

We can only hope.

I want epic tank battles in matches, not some scout running towards me spamming Lai Dais.

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Now, please tell me again how they are balanced?

Because before 1.4 it was fine when we Infantry stubbed our little Toenail to the side of Lav for 10.000 damage while we DONT even have 10.000 HP!!!, also those grenades deal around 1500 damage so whatever caused that must have been a glitch that upped the numbers just like when a LAV hit me for 10k

yeah, only takes 2 guys to deploy, a third to monitor, and needs to be turned off to allow friendly vehicles through the area. it has 4 uses, and someone could just walk up and tip it over.

There is so much similarity, though, right? if you ignore the parts that don't match up, like... uh... most of them.

Hear frickin' hear. I lost four tanks today, one to tank PvP (Great match with a guy named Frisky Dingo) and three to AV players and I am now in the red after eight hours of casual gameplay throughout the day. That is ridiculous and utterly untenable. The AV players SOLO'D me. Can anyone explain the balance in me losing 760,000 isk worth of vehicle to 43,000 isk worth of invisible Wiyrkomi swarms from one guy?

Don't give me the rock/paper/scissors lecture. This game is supposed to be based on escalation and economics like EVE.* When I put out a HAV, I am literally putting two percent of my total net value out on the field and I deserve better results than being forced to hide from EVERYONE. If another player** destroys me with anything less than a concerted group effort, or the use of another tank, then the isk economy in this game is a complete failure and should scrapped entirely.

*Do not try to tell me that smaller ships beat bigger, better armed ones in EVE by themselves. In EVE, it's multiple cheaper ships using zerg tactics to wear down larger ones. In other words, TEAM WORK.

**Don't reference real world events like some mythological "One dude with a rocket launcher" allegedly taking out a tank. In 2003, When the second gulf war started, the United States deployed over 1,000 M1 Abrams tanks into the middle-east. By 2005, a grand total of 80 had been destroyed, or disabled. Those affected tanks were damaged by multiple attackers using RPG's and IEDs, targeting the sides, and hatches of those vehicles. Concerted effort, not "One dude with a rocket launcher."

Murder taxis are still a thing. They just need a running start now, is all.

Don't Fly what you can't afford to loose, in your case substitue fly with Drive...

I can head into FW and loose a 30m ISk cruiser or i can head into FW with a Tactical Cruiser worth 3 Billion isk and loose it aswell, sure ill waste more people with the Tactical Cruiser but at some point i will be dead to smaller cheap sh*ts of ships.[

How is that you think you're proving your point, by proving my point? You just conceded that your expensive cruiser would lay waste before being eventually dragged down. Get back to me when your cruiser get solo'd by a frigate.

Kovorix of Matari Exodus [.EXO.] really showcases the raw power of the Omen Navy Issue in the hands of a true pro in this video. Armed only with a T2 fit and a modest clone, Kovorix absolutely lays waste to all comers.

Easy....read and watch the movie of a single guy laying waste to multiple ships of higher or equal class solo, its called being skilled...if i would fly my 3B isk tactical against this guy i would get wasted and his ship most likely doesnt cost 300m isk.



http://themittani.com/media/solo-pvp-call-wild-omen-navy-issue

that took one second to throw...so in 3 seconds we have well over 30,000 Damage.

Can tanks even be balanced against each other?

The best counter to a tank should be another tank.

I'm sick of lame and boring tank fights because someone on either team has ADV / PRO AV. I want to kill that tank by myself. I'd rather blow up to that tanker than someone running at me and spamming AV grenades.

Right on, dude. Kiting is the skill benchmark now. My HAVs totally got kited into those fiery explosions by wry and cunning opponents who suckered me into my doom!

Oh, wait, no. They got got gibbed by solo players using lock-on targeting with overly damaging ordinance. Oh, but they did it skillfully! None of that not rendering in front of my HAV, and using set-it-and-forget-it targeting to score safe and easy War points. SKILL!

Right on, dude. Kiting is the skill benchmark now.

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Now, please tell me again how they are balanced?

If you want lower damage on an AV grenade, then you should be willing to accept 100% incoming damage from small arms.

Had a tank yesterday just sit there in a group of about 9 people, firing HMG's and Flaylocks and regular grenades into it.. It barely took any damage whatsoever, with no reps on. Flaylocks would do 30% damage, HMG's applied no more than 15.

We have to have some way to counter tanks, since regular weapons don't do it. Get over it already.

SNIPEDIT: Also, There is no way an EX-11 can do that much damage, even against armor. More than likely, you got hit by 5-6 of them because you were too stupid to move away from the person that was sitting on a hive.

Bad tank driver is bad.

thats total damage taken over the lifetime of your tank you know that right?

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Now, please tell me again how they are balanced?

that took one second to throw...so in 3 seconds we have well over 30,000 Damage.

If you want lower damage on an AV grenade, then you should be willing to accept 100% incoming damage from small arms.

Had a tank yesterday just sit there in a group of about 9 people, firing HMG's and Flaylocks and regular grenades into it.. It barely took any damage whatsoever, with no reps on. Flaylocks would do 30% damage, HMG's applied no more than 15.

We have to have some way to counter tanks, since regular weapons don't do it. Get over it already.

SNIPEDIT: Also, There is no way 3 EX-11's can do that much damage, even against armor. More than likely, you got hit by 5-6 of them because you were too stupid to move away from the person that was sitting on a hive.

Bad tank driver is bad.

I think he actually thinks this was a single grenade.

It's total damage dealt by that player. If he hits you with an AV grenade, you back away and recover, repeat umpteen times, you will see those numbers if he ever actually gets you. And it will show 25000 damage received at the end of the match.

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Now, please tell me again how they are balanced?

Who ever designed an anti vehicle grenade should be shot. It may be a valid real life tactic if it can ever be done properly.
However in a game world its utter garbage!

How the hell are you ever going to balance anything when ANY solider with ANY setup can just quickly throw on AV grenades and instantly that slayer suit built to fight other infantry suddenly had tank killing ability.

Really guys its not always about what would be cool in the real world, it should be able game balance and game FUN!
AV grenades are not fun.

Oh god.dam it av nades.are not supposed to be.a.soecific counter to tanks specilised av weponary is. Av nades were put in this game because of whiny cod boys who want to carrynan ar and solo havs. Iv seen allot of the folks who moan about aim assist being easy because it apparently locks on and requires no skill to.get a kill. Funny thing is these folks cry that av nades and lol swarms are ok even though they lock on and require.no skill so go figure.

what i would like to see to balance the game properly is the removal of AV completely, if your team can not spawn a tank then you can not counter it. seeing as there are 16 individual people in a team, the odds are slim that at least one person can not spawn a tank.

swarms need damage cut in half. av grenades need it cut by 75%. im completely serious.

So wait, what you're saying here is that the only counter to a tank... Should be another tank?

Fine, but it can't damage infantry.

Anything can kill infantry, including and especially tanks. Even a basic blaster can take out any infantry in nearly an instant if the tanker can track for a second.

List of things that kill infantry by themselves:

-Assault Rifle
-Breach Assault Rifle
-Tactical Assault Rifle
-Laser Rifle
-Scrambler Rifle
-Assault Scrambler Rifle
-Sniper Rifle
-Tactical Sniper Rifle
-Charge Sniper Rifle (potential one hit kill)
-Mass Driver
-Assault Mass Driver
-Breach Mass Driver
-SMG
-Assault SMG
-Flaylock Pistol
-Forge Gun (one hit kill)
-Assault Forge Gun (one hit kill)
-Breach Forge Gun (one hit kill)
-Scrambler Pistol
-Assault Scrambler Pistol
-Breach Scrambler Pistol
-Shotgun (potential one hit kill)
-Breach Shotgun (potential one hit kill)
-Remote Explosives (one hit kill)
-Grenades (potential one hit kill)
-Small Blaster Turrets
-Small Missile Turrets (hard, but doable)
-Large Missile Turret
-Large Blaster Turret
-Large Railgun Turret (one hit kill)
-Nova Knives (hard, but doable)

List of things that can kill a tank by themselves:

-AV Nades, (more than you can carry, but possible with nanohives)
-Swarm Launchers
-Forge Gun
-Breach Forge Gun
-Assault Forge Gun
-Large Missile Turret (hard, but doable)
-Large Blaster Turret
-Large Railgun Turret
-AV Mines (kinda, I've only ever seen them work on a tank once and it was already injured to half health and was running. But I know if I don't include it there will be whining...)

So you want to reduce that list to a single counter of 3 large mounted turrets, when it's already less than one third the amount of weapons that can kill infantry, and only one weapon type of which is an infantry weapon capable of killing infantry with, and I'll assume you want to maintain the ability to kill every other thing on the battlefield with between 1-5 hits barring other tanks because I'm sure you'll want to give yourself a fighting chance am I right?

Yeahhhhhhh. How about no.

i was been half serious lol, just wanted to see peoples reactions. but it does make for a good debate, because it means that each side should have at least one tank out, this means that we could once again see tank wars in order to keep the infantry alive, instead of one infantry seeing the tank and boom - tank dead.

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Now, please tell me again how they are balanced?

Sorry if i was abrasive, my sarcasm detector might not be in top shape since I'm tired. But man, I was just grouped with a guy the other night who legitimately and inconsolably thought that the only counter to a tank should be another tank... It was mildly infuriating....

Tankers want to sit inside a completely Invulnerable Shell, because it costs more ISK then our suits, yet they lay waste to 2-4m isk of suits per match easy, but oh boy if one of them fights back QQ time!

I'm slipping in to say that the people saying the anti-vehicle should be nerfed are bloody hilarious. Just... slow clap. I hope they realize they are using standard tanks, not advanced or prototype. Proto AV to a standard tank is the equivalent to a Duvolle against a standard AR.

Hahahahahaha.

Added note: I'm only slipping in here because people are acting like they are entitled to nearly unkillable tanks. Give me a module that reduce tank fire damage by 90% against my scout suit then. Hahahahaha.

have you ever, ever used a tank? it's ridiculously easy to get up on them if you have even the slightest hint of tactics in your mind when you see it.

I regularly ride on top of an enemy tank while shooting the main gun with a pistol just to annoy the driver. best was one backing into the redline and exploding with me on top of his tank when it happened. I died too, but it was so worth it.

Tankers want to sit inside a completely Invulnerable Shell, because it costs more ISK then our suits, yet they lay waste to 2-4m isk of suits per match easy, but oh boy if one of them fights back QQ time!

A few things here.

First off, the people saying the damage number you've shown is a cumulative thing are correct. It's ONLY damage applied by the specific person attacking you, and it resets after a certain period without taking damage from that player. So that 10,000 damage was almost certainly a combination of multiple attacks, and NOT the result of that single grenade hit.

That said, though, AV Grenades are in need of some toning down, whether that be a longer throwing animation or a reduction in damage or something else. As far as I'm concerned, Locus Grenades fill the role of a supporting weapon. If you're good with them, you can get a kill - maybe two - but in general they're more for area control/denial than a direct damage weapon. They help to make your other weapons more effective, they don't do the job for you. AV Grenades can be added at almost no cost to any infantry fitting and function as a perfectly capable AV weapon WITHOUT needing any other AV support. A handful of Scouts with Shotguns and AV Grenades are a legitimately deadly threat to both infantry and tanks.

Counter-balancing the need for an AV Grenade nerf is the fact that LAVs are already capable of surviving a couple of hits and continuing on - THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. No LAV, even LLAVs, should tank 3 AV Grenades and keep going. And no competently-fitted HAV should die to 3 AV Grenades unless it's a pure Militia fitting against Proto AV. To avoid breaking the system further than it already is, LAVs need a nerf to HP in proportion to the one applied to AV Grenades, or they'll become better at being murder taxis again.

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Sarcastic, but you made a good point here. Portable shielding to hide behind. Chaff grenades that blind tanks, EMP rifles that disable vehicles, hacker modules that let scouts steal occupied tanks. Give tools to the infantry that reward skillful play, and make every game different, not just blanket damage that kills all the fun.

that will destroy all use of tanks if everyone is able to steal a tank if someone is in the pilot seat. why the hell would anyone want that

The most sad part of this thread, is that CCP will listen to some of u bItchers and nerf yet another thing in this game making it even worse. i get it i do, snipers want to be unstoppable, tankers need to be almighty, MDs want to be all powerful and heavys want to be walking tanks. but d@mn people are u realizing that ur stupid little comments about sh!t needing to be changed to better suit this game to you, is destroying this game for everyone.

everything in this game has been nerf as CCP's response to the demands of the infantry players. all through this games history, the infantry has always dictated what gets nerfed and what gets buffed, if you want to blame anyone blame the infantry for the state of the game

The most sad part of this thread, is that CCP will listen to some of u bItchers and nerf yet another thing in this game making it even worse. i get it i do, snipers want to be unstoppable, tankers need to be almighty, MDs want to be all powerful and heavys want to be walking tanks. but d@mn people are u realizing that ur stupid little comments about sh!t needing to be changed to better suit this game to you, is destroying this game for everyone.

Bro, come on. Be fair. I only started playing in late June, but I've been reading old threads on these forums, and tanks have not been a factor since March of this year, when they lost marauders, and then had their pg nerfed, and even had their rail range snipped. Infantry has easily dominated the field since then. If this game is being destroyed for anyone at this point, it is definitely not because of tanks.

i like how people get bits of info. i dont care about tanks anymore it was just part of a list of points. BUT people getting bits of info like that explains why this game is like this now. Cause CCP listens to ADD/ ADHD and just plain stupid people about doing nerfs

you realize i just said that its the players fault......

i like how people get bits of info. i dont care about tanks anymore it was just part of a list of points. BUT people getting bits of info like that explains why this game is like this now. Cause CCP listens to ADD/ ADHD and just plain stupid people about doing nerfs

Oh look, another QQ tank thread

But all the threads about aim assist are just fine.

quick off topic point
people want this game to be more realistic, but still want aim assist

That my work in a tanking game but not in a FPS (First Person Shooter). Infantry has always been a good counter to tanks.

The Damage output looks a bit weired to me as I never was able to score that amount of damage with a single AV nade.

But I agree the counter to a tank should not be a grenade it should be an AV weapon. Av nades should be effective versus LAV not versus Tanks unless you spam them (at least 4 or 5).

We can only hope.

I want epic tank battles in matches, not some scout running towards me spamming Lai Dais.

If you want lower damage on an AV grenade, then you should be willing to accept 100% incoming damage from small arms.

Had a tank yesterday just sit there in a group of about 9 people, firing HMG's and Flaylocks and regular grenades into it.. It barely took any damage whatsoever, with no reps on. Flaylocks would do 30% damage, HMG's applied no more than 15.

We have to have some way to counter tanks, since regular weapons don't do it. Get over it already.

and I want to throw nuclear baseballs at you....how do we decide the winner?

sp?
well it costs a **** ton more to be an effective infantry then it does to be an effective tank

isk? tanks cost me millions since without nuclear baseballs they troll roll us, when you see a tanker go 31-1 and complain about losing his 2 million isk tank, well how much do you think those suits cost the owners.

fun? I can tell you right now it's no fun at all getting trolled by tanks.

numbers? theirs more infantry then tank pilots, so you aren't winning that war.

end of the day av grenades are around because tanks are simply **** to fight if their is not a viable answer to them, aside from finding the nearest supply depot that they may or may not of blown up yet.

in your post, your blaming the people that are complaining that balance is broken nearly beyond repair, im telling you that you should blame the infantry.

Had two maxed out tanks sulk every one of my lai dais and a friends swarms. They are not op, improve your tank.

You're not telling us the whole story. How did he get so close to you? Bad positioning? Yeah, thought so.

I have to hit a Saga II LAV with 2 Advanced AV grenades and then finish it off with my FG or HMG.

Did you consider that maybe you were being hit with other types of AV (invisible swarms) (Tower FG) at the same time and the Grenade was simply the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak?

I know I have been hit by an AR when I have very little armor left, it always says the weapon does a ridiculous amount of damage when this happens.

I suppose in other games it would be considered "overkill" damage.

What were you doing that close to Infantry?

So 98% of the player base are wrong and CCP should listen to you? This is a game with tanks in it, not a game about tanks. Dust does not revolve around you.

AV nades in no way do that sort of damage to a well fit tank, even the Lai Dai's.

The best way to avoid AV nades is to use a scanner and prioritize maneuverability over heavy plating.

and I want to throw nuclear baseballs at you....how do we decide the winner?

sp?
well it costs a **** ton more to be an effective infantry then it does to be an effective tank

isk? tanks cost me millions since without nuclear baseballs they troll roll us, when you see a tanker go 31-1 and complain about losing his 2 million isk tank, well how much do you think those suits cost the owners.

fun? I can tell you right now it's no fun at all getting trolled by tanks.

numbers? theirs more infantry then tank pilots, so you aren't winning that war.

end of the day av grenades are around because tanks are simply **** to fight if their is not a viable answer to them, aside from finding the nearest supply depot that they may or may not of blown up yet.

I wouldn't even consider you a tanker, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.

So 98% of the player base are wrong and CCP should listen to you? This is a game with tanks in it, not a game about tanks. Dust does not revolve around you.

So playing smart and waiting for a good opportunity is considered bad play? Instead he should just rush in head first and let you blow him up? Come on man I know your a good tanker and all but seriously its a good tactic to wait for a prime opportunity to strike.

[quote=Mary Sedillo]


I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.

I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on.

Void, you make some good points, but an insistence on some sort of archaic system of dueling is ridiculous. When I've popped tanks, I didn't bow first. When other tanks have popped me, they didn't give me a warning shot. If someone is open, you blitz them, that's just common sense. Don't you see how silly it is to castigate infantry for demanding the game be all about what they want, only to demand that other tankers follow your idea of decorum in order to be considered 'tankers?' That's just cliquish.

Their own fault for not being prepared.

av grenades are being prepared.

AV grenades are the biggest crutch I've seen in gaming next to auto aim (different from aim assist).

I just hate tankers that claim to be good when they never really got hit by another tank.

sed was even burned the other day, everyone jumped on his case about doing that, he had no response.

I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.

I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on.

You've heard wrong. I can take people on fine head on.

Let me explain to you the situation that you are probably referring to.


One of the tankers in the Tanker QQ channel also known as "Tanks R Us" brought out a missile tank. Myself, being a blaster tank made of armor, knows that taking one dead on with open space between us is suicide. I flank to the side and get within CQC before he can shred me down.

He gets butthurt and begs me for ISK.

My tank's build is survivability and speed. I don't play stupid.

You want to play suicidally? Go for it. I won't.

You've heard wrong. I can take people on fine head on.

Let me explain to you the situation that you are probably referring to.


One of the tankers in the Tanker QQ channel also known as "Tanks R Us" brought out a missile tank. Myself, being a blaster tank made of armor, knows that taking one dead on with open space between us is suicide. I flank to the side and get within CQC before he can shred me down.

He gets butthurt and begs me for ISK.

My tank's build is survivability and speed. I don't play stupid.

You want to play suicidally? Go for it. I won't.

what isn't a crutch to cry babies >.>

How would you like it if they reduced total AR ammunition capacity by a magazine, and took one grenade off max total, giving you two?

Then reduced your PG skill to 3% per level, instead of 5.

Then doubled the price of all weapons.

If Sedio is fielding tanks, getting kills, and frustrating attempts by other tanks to kill him, then he is good. Why settle things mano-a-mano when you can settle for winning instead? I lost four tanks to Gatic Beawulf because he had a teammate using a swarm launcher. I thought the first two times were just sh*t luck, until I realized in the third round the dude was riding in Gattic's tank, and that they were partners. Dirty, underhanded, weasel tanking! F*ckin' brilliant! I feel nothing but admiration for such bastard tactics. Dude was doing whatever it took to protect his investment. The two million isk I squandered was well worth it for the attempts to get revenge, alone. When you're that caught up in something, it's fun.

If 3-4 people need to take out a tank then tanks should not be allowed in ambush modes

blaster vs missiles, I wonder which would win head on?

niga u are ******** lol

no...i assure you, it was one grenade, as I saw it being gingerly thrown from 2 stories up by a scout...then it landed and i went from 6000 HP to 0 HP. Yup. That's my day, for ya.

Haaa. Two minutes ago, lost another tank. Blueberry fucktards spamming the missile turrets and not letting me recall + getting caught by an av guy in between my cooldowns equals fuuuuck tanks. Wake me up when 1.5 hits. Meanwhile I'm going to have more fun getting proto-stomped in my assault starter suits, playing ambush.

How is that you think you're proving your point, by proving my point? You just conceded that your expensive cruiser would lay waste before being eventually dragged down. Get back to me when your cruiser get solo'd by a frigate.

I love this guy!

Our Deepest Regret is my hero!

Yay, I'm a hero!

Seriously though, I just want the stand and deliver gameplay that Wolfman promised for armor tanks in his 1.5 post. Slow brick, high defense, siege weaponry. Pushing objectives, providing a wall for my teammates, having something to do other than circling around the joint looking for other tanks or stray raspberries, and running away from everything else.

I'm not gonna get that game play in the current game, so I'm just gonna stop bitching about it, keep grinding sp and isk, and hope for the best next month.

blaster vs missiles, I wonder which would win head on?

A well fit missile armor tank outside of blasters optimal will win. You can't charge them as effectively before they have you crippled.

A well fit missile shield tank COULD be rushed, but if he knows you are there and begins to back up, similar deal.

The best way for an armor tank to fight missile is to flank and get within optimal range because you will out dps them if you do.

Play smart or go home.

I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.

I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on.

That is a ;legitimate strategy for tanking out tanks that are either superior to you, or players with superior SP, remember tanks weak points are normally in the rear.

I do it all the time to take out Maddies and Gunnlogi's in my Soma.

Tank's counters should not be: YOLOTARD USES OP GRENADE! IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE! TANK FAINTED!

Go play Call of Duty if you don't like vehicles.

so that's how you do it. Iv still never seen you in action.

Compared to RL mechanics, visa-vi gasoline coated socks taking out tanks, this is exactly how it should be. If you want to fight tank vs tank, play a different game. A well equipped merc, is a merc that only dies hundreds of times.

Never played Call of Duty. And I dont have a problem with vehicles they help increase my payout.. Every vehicle in the game has more than one passenger seat for a reason. Your posts regarding your OP AV woes are starting to sound more and more like you just want an I win button. I am so disappointed.

Compared to RL mechanics, visa-vi gasoline coated socks taking out tanks, this is exactly how it should be. If you want to fight tank vs tank, play a different game. A well equipped merc, is a merc that only dies hundreds of times.

If you want no vehicles to deal with, play a different game.

No because you didn't live that long to get 25k damage and restore it in one clone.

This is only for that vehicle.

Not entirely sure, but I think the damage done is given to the one who got the last shot in.

So you were probably being pummeled by forges and swarms for about 5-10 minuets, then decided it was time to casually stroll away to rep your health back and some lucky infantry player chucked an AV nade at you for the finishing blow. Thus rewarding him all the damage everybody else was applying to you.

I've lived long enough to take in over 75k damage somehow. No it does not. Get out infantry scrub.

Hahaha. Stupid infantry think they understand what it's like to get your weapons and dropsuits nerfed 4x in a row and have your counter buffed 4x in a row....lol Tankers really are a special breed. Those of us who are still here have adapted more than anyone else has to, or ever will.

Hahaha. Stupid infantry think they understand what it's like to get your weapons and dropsuits nerfed 4x in a row and have your counter buffed 4x in a row....lol Tankers really are a special breed. Those of us who are still here have adapted more than anyone else has to, or ever will.

LOLOL! Here's Delta again spreading his pearls of wisdom.

Vehicles are the ONLY specialty that have had to adapt to nerf after nerf. Irrefutable

There's tons of threads on the forum with the complaint that the hit indicator for vehicles doesn't work properly.

Delta, how about we squad up during Saturday, and you could show me how well you drive a tank. I'll even let you use one of mine.

Yeah, cause other weapons dont get nerfed and tweaked all the time, just vehicles
You like to say others spread information but fall back on hyperbolic statements near constantly
You throw ***** fits and try to railroad the conversation when called on it
And you also like to post this challenge of driving a tank with you but when I take you up on it you no show and return none of the in game mails I sent to you so why should I believe you wont do the same thing again and just waste my time, and hell even if you do show Ill just blow up your tanks for fun

1. He wrote "specializations," not "weapons." The dedicated HAV pilot is his tank. If he can't make full use of his tank, then he's gimped. Imagine the fun of wearing a suit that crippled your ability to see your opponents unless at extremely close range even if your scanner is telling you that they're right there. Imagine the fun of having a dropsuit with maneuverability issues that cost one million isk to wear at standard level. Imagine the fun of speccing into this suit and not being able to utilize it until most of your skills are maxed at lvl 5, because everyone else is already spec'd into advanced and proto level counters for you, therefor denying you the ability to enjoy your character for months when you're a new player.

2. Have you considered that you two are probably on different time zones and that you might not be on when the other is asleep or working?

3. Speaker is a pretty chill guy. I haven't observed him going off on anybody. You on the other hand seem to have a hot temper.

4. So basically, you'd just park his tank in the redline and wait for it to explode, rather than take him up on the challenge of proving him wrong? Out of spite or whatever? Huh. Interesting.