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Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
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Posted - 2013.09.13 18:47:00 -
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Hobo on Fire wrote:Void Echo wrote:pamuku420tyme wrote:Void Echo wrote:pamuku420tyme wrote:The most sad part of this thread, is that CCP will listen to some of u bItchers and nerf yet another thing in this game making it even worse. i get it i do, snipers want to be unstoppable, tankers need to be almighty, MDs want to be all powerful and heavys want to be walking tanks. but d@mn people are u realizing that ur stupid little comments about sh!t needing to be changed to better suit this game to you, is destroying this game for everyone. everything in this game has been nerf as CCP's response to the demands of the infantry players. all through this games history, the infantry has always dictated what gets nerfed and what gets buffed, if you want to blame anyone blame the infantry for the state of the game you realize i just said that its the players fault...... in your post, your blaming the people that are complaining that balance is broken nearly beyond repair, im telling you that you should blame the infantry. So 98% of the player base are wrong and CCP should listen to you? This is a game with tanks in it, not a game about tanks. Dust does not revolve around you.
im pretty sure that this game is not meant to be another call of duty, so why are you trying to make it like that, this game is not meant to revolve around pure infantry, if that were the case this would already be another treyarch game.
iv never said that vehicles should be the main focus of this game, but infantry shouldn't be either, there needs to be balance of focus here, both on infantry and vehicles, if they focus too much on infantry this is what happens, the game is nearly unplayable and broken nearly beyond repair, if they focus too much on vehicles... well I don't know what would happen because its never happened here but I can tell you it wouldn't be good either. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1318
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Posted - 2013.09.13 18:49:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:AV nades in no way do that sort of damage to a well fit tank, even the Lai Dai's.
The best way to avoid AV nades is to use a scanner and prioritize maneuverability over heavy plating.
I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.
I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
687
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Posted - 2013.09.13 18:53:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:1.5. We can only hope. I want epic tank battles in matches, not some scout running towards me spamming Lai Dais. and I want to throw nuclear baseballs at you....how do we decide the winner? sp? well it costs a **** ton more to be an effective infantry then it does to be an effective tank isk? tanks cost me millions since without nuclear baseballs they troll roll us, when you see a tanker go 31-1 and complain about losing his 2 million isk tank, well how much do you think those suits cost the owners. fun? I can tell you right now it's no fun at all getting trolled by tanks. numbers? theirs more infantry then tank pilots, so you aren't winning that war. end of the day av grenades are around because tanks are simply **** to fight if their is not a viable answer to them, aside from finding the nearest supply depot that they may or may not of blown up yet. Their own fault for not being prepared. |
SgtDoughnut
M.E.R.C. Elite
107
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Posted - 2013.09.13 18:53:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:AV nades in no way do that sort of damage to a well fit tank, even the Lai Dai's.
The best way to avoid AV nades is to use a scanner and prioritize maneuverability over heavy plating. I wouldn't even consider you a tanker, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.
So playing smart and waiting for a good opportunity is considered bad play? Instead he should just rush in head first and let you blow him up? Come on man I know your a good tanker and all but seriously its a good tactic to wait for a prime opportunity to strike. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
687
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Posted - 2013.09.13 18:55:00 -
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Hobo on Fire wrote:Void Echo wrote:pamuku420tyme wrote:Void Echo wrote:pamuku420tyme wrote:The most sad part of this thread, is that CCP will listen to some of u bItchers and nerf yet another thing in this game making it even worse. i get it i do, snipers want to be unstoppable, tankers need to be almighty, MDs want to be all powerful and heavys want to be walking tanks. but d@mn people are u realizing that ur stupid little comments about sh!t needing to be changed to better suit this game to you, is destroying this game for everyone. everything in this game has been nerf as CCP's response to the demands of the infantry players. all through this games history, the infantry has always dictated what gets nerfed and what gets buffed, if you want to blame anyone blame the infantry for the state of the game you realize i just said that its the players fault...... in your post, your blaming the people that are complaining that balance is broken nearly beyond repair, im telling you that you should blame the infantry. So 98% of the player base are wrong and CCP should listen to you? This is a game with tanks in it, not a game about tanks. Dust does not revolve around you. So tanks should continually get the short end of the stick because the amount of people that tank is so small? |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1318
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Posted - 2013.09.13 18:57:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:Void Echo wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:AV nades in no way do that sort of damage to a well fit tank, even the Lai Dai's.
The best way to avoid AV nades is to use a scanner and prioritize maneuverability over heavy plating. I wouldn't even consider you a tanker, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it. So playing smart and waiting for a good opportunity is considered bad play? Instead he should just rush in head first and let you blow him up? Come on man I know your a good tanker and all but seriously its a good tactic to wait for a prime opportunity to strike.
so basically act like you infantry when fighting, hide and sneak around because im too weak to go head on.... on second though keep it up, if your too weak to take us head on, then keep sneaking. it shows how inferior you are, especially if you require AV to help you take us down. |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
211
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:00:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:[quote=Mary Sedillo]
I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.
I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on.
Void, you make some good points, but an insistence on some sort of archaic system of dueling is ridiculous. When I've popped tanks, I didn't bow first. When other tanks have popped me, they didn't give me a warning shot. If someone is open, you blitz them, that's just common sense. Don't you see how silly it is to castigate infantry for demanding the game be all about what they want, only to demand that other tankers follow your idea of decorum in order to be considered 'tankers?' That's just cliquish. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1319
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:02:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:Void Echo wrote:[quote=Mary Sedillo]
I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.
I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on. Void, you make some good points, but an insistence on some sort of archaic system of dueling is ridiculous. When I've popped tanks, I didn't bow first. When other tanks have popped me, they didn't give me a warning shot. If someone is open, you blitz them, that's just common sense. Don't you see how silly it is to castigate infantry for demanding the game be all about what they want, only to demand that other tankers follow your idea of decorum in order to be considered 'tankers?' That's just cliquish.
I just hate tankers that claim to be good when they never really got hit by another tank.
sed was even burned the other day, everyone jumped on his case about doing that, he had no response. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
945
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:05:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:calisk galern wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:1.5. We can only hope. I want epic tank battles in matches, not some scout running towards me spamming Lai Dais. and I want to throw nuclear baseballs at you....how do we decide the winner? sp? well it costs a **** ton more to be an effective infantry then it does to be an effective tank isk? tanks cost me millions since without nuclear baseballs they troll roll us, when you see a tanker go 31-1 and complain about losing his 2 million isk tank, well how much do you think those suits cost the owners. fun? I can tell you right now it's no fun at all getting trolled by tanks. numbers? theirs more infantry then tank pilots, so you aren't winning that war. end of the day av grenades are around because tanks are simply **** to fight if their is not a viable answer to them, aside from finding the nearest supply depot that they may or may not of blown up yet. Their own fault for not being prepared.
av grenades are being prepared.
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Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
687
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:09:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:calisk galern wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:1.5. We can only hope. I want epic tank battles in matches, not some scout running towards me spamming Lai Dais. and I want to throw nuclear baseballs at you....how do we decide the winner? sp? well it costs a **** ton more to be an effective infantry then it does to be an effective tank isk? tanks cost me millions since without nuclear baseballs they troll roll us, when you see a tanker go 31-1 and complain about losing his 2 million isk tank, well how much do you think those suits cost the owners. fun? I can tell you right now it's no fun at all getting trolled by tanks. numbers? theirs more infantry then tank pilots, so you aren't winning that war. end of the day av grenades are around because tanks are simply **** to fight if their is not a viable answer to them, aside from finding the nearest supply depot that they may or may not of blown up yet. Their own fault for not being prepared. av grenades are being prepared. AV grenades are the biggest crutch I've seen in gaming next to auto aim (different from aim assist). |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3456
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:10:00 -
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Reduce AV nade damage by a third, that's right a third, what that means in practice is that you'll do the same damage in three nades that you currently do in 2, it's a lot of DPS Taken away without making AV nades completely useless. And then nerf LAV's HP, bring them back to what they were in chromosome, low level and poorly fitted ones would die in 1-2 nades,while a well fitted one could eat all 3 and escape.
An AV nade should be a hard counter to light vehicles, but a deterrent to heavy ones, if a tanker is truly terrible, or just gets ambushed by a couple of players they'll still die to AV nades, but it will take much longer. It gives infantry a reason to use dedicated AV fits to kill heavy vehicles, and it seriously reduces one of the single most hated and ridiculous methods of killing a tank. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
945
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote: AV grenades are the biggest crutch I've seen in gaming next to auto aim (different from aim assist).
what isn't a crutch to cry babies >.> |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
211
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:16:00 -
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Void Echo wrote: I just hate tankers that claim to be good when they never really got hit by another tank.
sed was even burned the other day, everyone jumped on his case about doing that, he had no response.
If Sedio is fielding tanks, getting kills, and frustrating attempts by other tanks to kill him, then he is good. Why settle things mano-a-mano when you can settle for winning instead? I lost four tanks to Gatic Beawulf because he had a teammate using a swarm launcher. I thought the first two times were just sh*t luck, until I realized in the third round the dude was riding in Gattic's tank, and that they were partners. Dirty, underhanded, weasel tanking! F*ckin' brilliant! I feel nothing but admiration for such bastard tactics. Dude was doing whatever it took to protect his investment. |
Mary Sedillo
Mechanized Infantry Corps
307
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:19:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:AV nades in no way do that sort of damage to a well fit tank, even the Lai Dai's.
The best way to avoid AV nades is to use a scanner and prioritize maneuverability over heavy plating. I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it. I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on.
You've heard wrong. I can take people on fine head on.
Let me explain to you the situation that you are probably referring to.
One of the tankers in the Tanker QQ channel also known as "Tanks R Us" brought out a missile tank. Myself, being a blaster tank made of armor, knows that taking one dead on with open space between us is suicide. I flank to the side and get within CQC before he can shred me down.
He gets butthurt and begs me for ISK.
My tank's build is survivability and speed. I don't play stupid.
You want to play suicidally? Go for it. I won't. |
Mary Sedillo
Mechanized Infantry Corps
308
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:21:00 -
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Play smart or die as a Tanker.
Just know you will LOSE ALOT OF ISK if you play as an idiot.
Also, I can take hits just fine, and I never ride alone.
I almost ALWAYS have my forge gun buddy with me to help swat tanks/dropships.
Slow = Dead
Fast = Your enemy is now dead, while you drive on. |
Mary Sedillo
Mechanized Infantry Corps
308
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:24:00 -
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And my view, as an armor tanker, is that AV nades are fine.
I have only ever died to them when it was like 3 guys chucking them at me all at once, even Lai Dais. IMO, that means they are working as intended. If your tank gets downed by a group of AV users, don't feel pissed. Feel flattered. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
3456
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:28:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Void Echo wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:AV nades in no way do that sort of damage to a well fit tank, even the Lai Dai's.
The best way to avoid AV nades is to use a scanner and prioritize maneuverability over heavy plating. I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it. I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on. You've heard wrong. I can take people on fine head on. Let me explain to you the situation that you are probably referring to. One of the tankers in the Tanker QQ channel also known as "Tanks R Us" brought out a missile tank. Myself, being a blaster tank made of armor, knows that taking one dead on with open space between us is suicide. I flank to the side and get within CQC before he can shred me down. He gets butthurt and begs me for ISK. My tank's build is survivability and speed. I don't play stupid. You want to play suicidally? Go for it. I won't.
I have to agree with Mary here, do what you have to to win the fight, I'll let an enemy ADS take off if I get the jump on him but that's it, once he's off the ground everything is fair game, he taps a building and gives me a chance for a killshot i'll take it. There's a saying somewhere where it says that the aim of the war is to get whatever advantage you can, because a fair fight is the bloodiest possible. Re-enacting the charge of the light brigade will just cost you clones and ISK, flank the ******* and annihilate them. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1319
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:29:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Void Echo wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:AV nades in no way do that sort of damage to a well fit tank, even the Lai Dai's.
The best way to avoid AV nades is to use a scanner and prioritize maneuverability over heavy plating. I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it. I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on. You've heard wrong. I can take people on fine head on. Let me explain to you the situation that you are probably referring to. One of the tankers in the Tanker QQ channel also known as "Tanks R Us" brought out a missile tank. Myself, being a blaster tank made of armor, knows that taking one dead on with open space between us is suicide. I flank to the side and get within CQC before he can shred me down. He gets butthurt and begs me for ISK. My tank's build is survivability and speed. I don't play stupid. You want to play suicidally? Go for it. I won't.
blaster vs missiles, I wonder which would win head on? |
Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder.
443
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:51:00 -
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If 3-4 people need to take out a tank then tanks should not be allowed in ambush modes
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Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
688
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:51:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote: AV grenades are the biggest crutch I've seen in gaming next to auto aim (different from aim assist).
what isn't a crutch to cry babies >.> How would you like it if they reduced total AR ammunition capacity by a magazine, and took one grenade off max total, giving you two?
Then reduced your PG skill to 3% per level, instead of 5.
Then doubled the price of all weapons. |
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
945
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:02:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:calisk galern wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote: AV grenades are the biggest crutch I've seen in gaming next to auto aim (different from aim assist).
what isn't a crutch to cry babies >.> How would you like it if they reduced total AR ammunition capacity by a magazine, and took one grenade off max total, giving you two? Then reduced your PG skill to 3% per level, instead of 5. Then doubled the price of all weapons.
well first I'm a sniper, and they continue to **** us every patch so cry me a river.
second I'm specced to prof 4 in ar's now and I still think they should be nerfed.
third I don't really care about 2% pg/ cpu, what I care about is the fact that it takes millions upon millions of more sp to cap infantry as to vehicles. take my 2% cpu and pg if I can gladly shave 12 million off of capping.
double? **** that my charged rifle went from 4k to 47k why not not times it 1200%. you tanks clear 4 or 5 million isk off a board every game sorry if I don't cry for the cost of your vehicles, when you get sloppy.
you guys are getting your vehicle dedicated patch in a matter of weeks, you think any of the other guns in this game are ever going to get a dedicated patch? |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
2062
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:05:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:Void Echo wrote: I just hate tankers that claim to be good when they never really got hit by another tank.
sed was even burned the other day, everyone jumped on his case about doing that, he had no response. If Sedio is fielding tanks, getting kills, and frustrating attempts by other tanks to kill him, then he is good. Why settle things mano-a-mano when you can settle for winning instead? I lost four tanks to Gatic Beawulf because he had a teammate using a swarm launcher. I thought the first two times were just sh*t luck, until I realized in the third round the dude was riding in Gattic's tank, and that they were partners. Dirty, underhanded, weasel tanking! F*ckin' brilliant! I feel nothing but admiration for such bastard tactics. Dude was doing whatever it took to protect his investment. The two million isk I squandered was well worth it for the attempts to get revenge, alone. When you're that caught up in something, it's fun.
I agree.
This sounds like the vehicle driver's version of "duelist disease".
That's the condition where a combatant holds the opinion that he should be able to dictate the rules of engagement and that should be mano-a-mano to count for anything.
I first came across the condition when AR users demanded that they be able to dance with a MD user and complained when it stepped on their dancing feet. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
688
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:06:00 -
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Vin Vicious wrote:If 3-4 people need to take out a tank then tanks should not be allowed in ambush modes
Who ever said anything about ambush? |
Mary Sedillo
Mechanized Infantry Corps
308
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:20:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Void Echo wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:AV nades in no way do that sort of damage to a well fit tank, even the Lai Dai's.
The best way to avoid AV nades is to use a scanner and prioritize maneuverability over heavy plating. I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it. I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on. You've heard wrong. I can take people on fine head on. Let me explain to you the situation that you are probably referring to. One of the tankers in the Tanker QQ channel also known as "Tanks R Us" brought out a missile tank. Myself, being a blaster tank made of armor, knows that taking one dead on with open space between us is suicide. I flank to the side and get within CQC before he can shred me down. He gets butthurt and begs me for ISK. My tank's build is survivability and speed. I don't play stupid. You want to play suicidally? Go for it. I won't. blaster vs missiles, I wonder which would win head on?
A well fit missile armor tank outside of blasters optimal will win. You can't charge them as effectively before they have you crippled.
A well fit missile shield tank COULD be rushed, but if he knows you are there and begins to back up, similar deal.
The best way for an armor tank to fight missile is to flank and get within optimal range because you will out dps them if you do.
Play smart or go home.
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Tank Gorilla
TeamPlayers EoN.
57
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:34:00 -
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niga u are ******** lol |
Mary Sedillo
Mechanized Infantry Corps
308
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:36:00 -
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Tank Gorilla wrote:niga u are ******** lol
Who are you talking about Gorilla?
Oh, that one time you cheated your way to a high KDR when you killed 300 people in one match, which was probably just one guy getting killed and rezzed the whole match?
Yeah, we totally didn't see that at all. |
ABadMutha13
Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:47:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:no...i assure you, it was one grenade, as I saw it being gingerly thrown from 2 stories up by a scout...then it landed and i went from 6000 HP to 0 HP. Yup. That's my day, for ya.
I feel you my brother.
I love the .25 cent weapons that are HAND THROWN doing incredibly high amounts of damage. Thrown by a suit that costs less than my main turret.
I have heard quite a few tankers rage quit because of this.
10 million points in vehicles / tanks and I am just holding on to hope they correct this stuff. |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
214
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:51:00 -
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Haaa. Two minutes ago, lost another tank. Blueberry fucktards spamming the missile turrets and not letting me recall + getting caught by an av guy in between my cooldowns equals fuuuuck tanks. Wake me up when 1.5 hits. Meanwhile I'm going to have more fun getting proto-stomped in my assault starter suits, playing ambush. |
Mary Sedillo
Mechanized Infantry Corps
310
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:52:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:Haaa. Two minutes ago, lost another tank. Blueberry fucktards spamming the missile turrets and not letting me recall + getting caught by an av guy in between my cooldowns equals fuuuuck tanks. Wake me up when 1.5 hits. Meanwhile I'm going to have more fun getting proto-stomped in my assault starter suits, playing ambush.
Just keep trying it. Each map has a different feel to it when it comes to AV and positioning. That is key to winning. |
ABadMutha13
Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance
15
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:53:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:
Don't Fly what you can't afford to loose, in your case substitue fly with Drive...
I can head into FW and loose a 30m ISk cruiser or i can head into FW with a Tactical Cruiser worth 3 Billion isk and loose it aswell, sure ill waste more people with the Tactical Cruiser but at some point i will be dead to smaller cheap sh*ts of ships.[
How is that you think you're proving your point, by proving my point? You just conceded that your expensive cruiser would lay waste before being eventually dragged down. Get back to me when your cruiser get solo'd by a frigate.
I love this guy!
Our Deepest Regret is my hero! |
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