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Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.13 21:12:00 -
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ABadMutha13 wrote:I love this guy! Our Deepest Regret is my hero!
Yay, I'm a hero!
Seriously though, I just want the stand and deliver gameplay that Wolfman promised for armor tanks in his 1.5 post. Slow brick, high defense, siege weaponry. Pushing objectives, providing a wall for my teammates, having something to do other than circling around the joint looking for other tanks or stray raspberries, and running away from everything else.
I'm not gonna get that game play in the current game, so I'm just gonna stop bitching about it, keep grinding sp and isk, and hope for the best next month. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
491
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Posted - 2013.09.13 21:21:00 -
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Ok so tanks should be specialized. Possible roles are: strong against infantry - like have an uber high caliber HMG, Against tanks - like blasters, or against installations and DS - missiles, or should be long range artillery with slow ROF rail that do more damage in the distance than up close. You should not be able to equip all of those on the same machine and those weapons should have big weaknesses when used outside of their intended niche. Thick armor tanks should be strong to large caliber weapons like blsters and rails. Light armor fast tanks should be resistant to infantry (AV nades, plasma cannon, swarms and less so to FG).
Only then tanks whould be balanced and would emphasize specialized game styles.
I like this post so much - I ma make a thread out of it |
ABadMutha13
Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.09.13 21:42:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:ABadMutha13 wrote:I love this guy! Our Deepest Regret is my hero! Yay, I'm a hero! Seriously though, I just want the stand and deliver gameplay that Wolfman promised for armor tanks in his 1.5 post. Slow brick, high defense, siege weaponry. Pushing objectives, providing a wall for my teammates, having something to do other than circling around the joint looking for other tanks or stray raspberries, and running away from everything else. I'm not gonna get that game play in the current game, so I'm just gonna stop bitching about it, keep grinding sp and isk, and hope for the best next month.
I have pretty much resigned myself to the same fate.
See you on the battlefield. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
3993
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Posted - 2013.09.13 22:08:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:blaster vs missiles, I wonder which would win head on? If the tanks are in open ground where the missiles can use their range advantage, they win easily. If not, it depends on the tanks. If both are shield tanks, the blaster hits shields harder and will probably win. If both are armour tanks, missiles will give the edge. With either option for shield vs. armour, the blaster's DPS will probably win out if range isn't a factor. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
742
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Posted - 2013.09.14 03:31:00 -
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Solaris Echo
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.09.14 03:49:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:Void Echo wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:Void Echo wrote:Mary Sedillo wrote:AV nades in no way do that sort of damage to a well fit tank, even the Lai Dai's.
The best way to avoid AV nades is to use a scanner and prioritize maneuverability over heavy plating. I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it. I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on. You've heard wrong. I can take people on fine head on. Let me explain to you the situation that you are probably referring to. One of the tankers in the Tanker QQ channel also known as "Tanks R Us" brought out a missile tank. Myself, being a blaster tank made of armor, knows that taking one dead on with open space between us is suicide. I flank to the side and get within CQC before he can shred me down. He gets butthurt and begs me for ISK. My tank's build is survivability and speed. I don't play stupid. You want to play suicidally? Go for it. I won't. blaster vs missiles, I wonder which would win head on? A well fit missile armor tank outside of blasters optimal will win. You can't charge them as effectively before they have you crippled. A well fit missile shield tank COULD be rushed, but if he knows you are there and begins to back up, similar deal. The best way for an armor tank to fight missile is to flank and get within optimal range because you will out dps them if you do. Play smart or go home.
play your way or stop bitching |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1960
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:13:00 -
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Void Echo wrote: I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.
I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on.
That is a ;legitimate strategy for tanking out tanks that are either superior to you, or players with superior SP, remember tanks weak points are normally in the rear.
I do it all the time to take out Maddies and Gunnlogi's in my Soma. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1320
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:18:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote: I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.
I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on.
That is a ;legitimate strategy for tanking out tanks that are either superior to you, or players with superior SP, remember tanks weak points are normally in the rear. I do it all the time to take out Maddies and Gunnlogi's in my Soma.
so that's how you do it. Iv still never seen you in action. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
742
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:21:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Tank's counters should not be: YOLOTARD USES OP GRENADE! IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE! TANK FAINTED!
lol |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:38:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Go play Call of Duty if you don't like vehicles.
Never played Call of Duty. And I dont have a problem with vehicles they help increase my payout.. Every vehicle in the game has more than one passenger seat for a reason. Your posts regarding your OP AV woes are starting to sound more and more like you just want an I win button. I am so disappointed. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1961
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:39:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote: I wouldn't even consider you a tanker according to what iv heard, iv heard that you don't even take other tankers head on, you go behind them where they cant hit you and make your move, by this meaning that you can take anyone on head on and you know it.
I know that tanks aren't ideal for head on attacks, but when your going against other tankers, its basic respect for you take each other head on.
That is a ;legitimate strategy for tanking out tanks that are either superior to you, or players with superior SP, remember tanks weak points are normally in the rear. I do it all the time to take out Maddies and Gunnlogi's in my Soma. so that's how you do it. Iv still never seen you in action.
Well I only have 1.5 million SP in tanks and no desire to specc Gallente. I have to run Soma's and Aurum Maddies which don't stack up well because I don't have the skills to properly fit them.
I have 4 Enforcers Under my belt, maybe 20 or so Maddy and Gunlogi's and god know how many poor MLT fits. |
Gorgon Entropus
Zeeman Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:46:00 -
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Compared to RL mechanics, visa-vi gasoline coated socks taking out tanks, this is exactly how it should be. If you want to fight tank vs tank, play a different game. A well equipped merc, is a merc that only dies hundreds of times. |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2013.09.14 05:29:00 -
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Gorgon Entropus wrote:Compared to RL mechanics, visa-vi gasoline coated socks taking out tanks, this is exactly how it should be. If you want to fight tank vs tank, play a different game. A well equipped merc, is a merc that only dies hundreds of times.
Compared to RL mechanics, visa-vi gasoline coated socks, the only tanks getting taken out with garbage munitions like that are those rusted soviet relics still being deployed in places like Syria. Like so. HAVs should only be compared to heavily armored models such as the M1 Abrams. The Abrams is very much a sock-proof tank. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1916
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Posted - 2013.09.14 06:13:00 -
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So its the usual "Waaah I was killed by a person that outplayed me" and trying to use ISK lost as some justification to pamper your ass since you refuse to adapt while at the same time misunderstanding how the damage received indicator works
It most definitely is all damage taken during that life and it does not reset after any period of time, I know since Ive gotten 5k+ damage taken on a 600 ehp dropsuit over the period of a 15 minute match And if anyone hasnt taken to slinking around the edge of combat zones and ambushing guys that ignore their scanners since the change I highly recommend you try it out but beware of quick turning mouse heavies |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
692
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:04:00 -
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echo47 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Go play Call of Duty if you don't like vehicles. Never played Call of Duty. And I dont have a problem with vehicles they help increase my payout.. Every vehicle in the game has more than one passenger seat for a reason. Your posts regarding your OP AV woes are starting to sound more and more like you just want an I win button. I am so disappointed. No, I just believe the best counter to a tank should be another tank. Not nuclear baseballs. There's nothing else in the game that compares to AV as far as damage output goes.
I'm pretty sure a Wiyrkomi breach forge gun could one-shot blaster / missile / railgun installations with proficiency 5 and 2 complex damage mods.
I'm pretty sure Wiyrkomi swarms could do the same thing, except they could have more damage mods stacked.
Lai Dais do ~2000 each against armor. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
692
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:04:00 -
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Gorgon Entropus wrote:Compared to RL mechanics, visa-vi gasoline coated socks taking out tanks, this is exactly how it should be. If you want to fight tank vs tank, play a different game. A well equipped merc, is a merc that only dies hundreds of times. If you want no vehicles to deal with, play a different game. |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
692
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Posted - 2013.09.14 07:07:00 -
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[quote=Delta 749 since you refuse to adapt while at the same time misunderstanding how the damage received indicator works
[/quote] LOLOL! Here's Delta again spreading his pearls of wisdom.
Vehicles are the ONLY specialty that have had to adapt to nerf after nerf. Irrefutable
There's tons of threads on the forum with the complaint that the hit indicator for vehicles doesn't work properly.
Delta, how about we squad up during Saturday, and you could show me how well you drive a tank. I'll even let you use one of mine. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
745
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Posted - 2013.09.14 14:35:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Gorgon Entropus wrote:Compared to RL mechanics, visa-vi gasoline coated socks taking out tanks, this is exactly how it should be. If you want to fight tank vs tank, play a different game. A well equipped merc, is a merc that only dies hundreds of times. If you want no vehicles to deal with, play a different game.
we can have the mechanics work just like RL, as long as i get a coaxial .50 that can rip your limbs off as long as they ALMOST hit you, and ohk you if the do. Also, I want my main cannon to have a 10m blast radius that vaporizes everything in sight, and i want to demolishes ever bit of cover you find.
If we gett that, then your AV grenade can have the chance to blow me up IF you throw it into the tank and burn me alive. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
660
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Posted - 2013.09.14 14:47:00 -
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Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:thats total damage taken over the lifetime of your tank you know that right? No If I die towards the end of the match, it doesn't show "25,000 damage received." No because you didn't live that long to get 25k damage and restore it in one clone. This is only for that vehicle.
I've lived long enough to take in over 75k damage somehow. No it does not. Get out infantry scrub. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
661
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Posted - 2013.09.14 14:50:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/539610_10151849545778934_995392485_n.jpg
Now, please tell me again how they are balanced? Not entirely sure, but I think the damage done is given to the one who got the last shot in. So you were probably being pummeled by forges and swarms for about 5-10 minuets, then decided it was time to casually stroll away to rep your health back and some lucky infantry player chucked an AV nade at you for the finishing blow. Thus rewarding him all the damage everybody else was applying to you.
Nope. It only shows the person who did the last shot, and how much damage the said person did. Example: someone shot me with a SMG as I took swarm and forge fire, and did 78 damage to me. That's what showed up. |
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CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
745
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Posted - 2013.09.14 14:57:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:thats total damage taken over the lifetime of your tank you know that right? No If I die towards the end of the match, it doesn't show "25,000 damage received." No because you didn't live that long to get 25k damage and restore it in one clone. This is only for that vehicle. I've lived long enough to take in over 75k damage somehow. No it does not. Get out infantry scrub.
Hahaha. Stupid infantry think they understand what it's like to get your weapons and dropsuits nerfed 4x in a row and have your counter buffed 4x in a row....lol Tankers really are a special breed. Those of us who are still here have adapted more than anyone else has to, or ever will. |
SGT NOVA STAR
Pure Innocence. EoN.
97
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Posted - 2013.09.14 15:14:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:thats total damage taken over the lifetime of your tank you know that right? No If I die towards the end of the match, it doesn't show "25,000 damage received." No because you didn't live that long to get 25k damage and restore it in one clone. This is only for that vehicle. I've lived long enough to take in over 75k damage somehow. No it does not. Get out infantry scrub. Hahaha. Stupid infantry think they understand what it's like to get your weapons and dropsuits nerfed 4x in a row and have your counter buffed 4x in a row....lol Tankers really are a special breed. Those of us who are still here have adapted more than anyone else has to, or ever will. BOOOOOOOOOM. THIS people^ THIS^ you see THIS^? THIS^ is the best post this forum will EVER see.......THAT^ -_- and all yalls tanks still go BOOOOM when we see you..........THAT^ up there |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
265
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Posted - 2013.09.14 15:19:00 -
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I could only be bothered reading the first page, so forgive me if this has been mentioned..... But isn't the damage displayed there the cumulative total? I'm pretty sure it wasn't 1 ADV AV grenade that did ~10k damage. The damage it deals is pretty accurate to what's in the description.... |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
695
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Posted - 2013.09.14 17:40:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Sylvana Nightwind wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:thats total damage taken over the lifetime of your tank you know that right? No If I die towards the end of the match, it doesn't show "25,000 damage received." No because you didn't live that long to get 25k damage and restore it in one clone. This is only for that vehicle. I've lived long enough to take in over 75k damage somehow. No it does not. Get out infantry scrub. Hahaha. Stupid infantry think they understand what it's like to get your weapons and dropsuits nerfed 4x in a row and have your counter buffed 4x in a row....lol Tankers really are a special breed. Those of us who are still here have adapted more than anyone else has to, or ever will. This a million times over. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1917
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Posted - 2013.09.15 05:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Delta 749 wrote: since you refuse to adapt while at the same time misunderstanding how the damage received indicator works
LOLOL! Here's Delta again spreading his pearls of wisdom. Vehicles are the ONLY specialty that have had to adapt to nerf after nerf. Irrefutable There's tons of threads on the forum with the complaint that the hit indicator for vehicles doesn't work properly. Delta, how about we squad up during Saturday, and you could show me how well you drive a tank. I'll even let you use one of mine.
Yeah, cause other weapons dont get nerfed and tweaked all the time, just vehicles You like to say others spread information but fall back on hyperbolic statements near constantly You throw ***** fits and try to railroad the conversation when called on it And you also like to post this challenge of driving a tank with you but when I take you up on it you no show and return none of the in game mails I sent to you so why should I believe you wont do the same thing again and just waste my time, and hell even if you do show Ill just blow up your tanks for fun |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2013.09.15 06:19:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Yeah, cause other weapons dont get nerfed and tweaked all the time, just vehicles You like to say others spread information but fall back on hyperbolic statements near constantly You throw ***** fits and try to railroad the conversation when called on it And you also like to post this challenge of driving a tank with you but when I take you up on it you no show and return none of the in game mails I sent to you so why should I believe you wont do the same thing again and just waste my time, and hell even if you do show Ill just blow up your tanks for fun
1. He wrote "specializations," not "weapons." The dedicated HAV pilot is his tank. If he can't make full use of his tank, then he's gimped. Imagine the fun of wearing a suit that crippled your ability to see your opponents unless at extremely close range even if your scanner is telling you that they're right there. Imagine the fun of having a dropsuit with maneuverability issues that cost one million isk to wear at standard level. Imagine the fun of speccing into this suit and not being able to utilize it until most of your skills are maxed at lvl 5, because everyone else is already spec'd into advanced and proto level counters for you, therefor denying you the ability to enjoy your character for months when you're a new player.
2. Have you considered that you two are probably on different time zones and that you might not be on when the other is asleep or working?
3. Speaker is a pretty chill guy. I haven't observed him going off on anybody. You on the other hand seem to have a hot temper.
4. So basically, you'd just park his tank in the redline and wait for it to explode, rather than take him up on the challenge of proving him wrong? Out of spite or whatever? Huh. Interesting. |
Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
751
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Posted - 2013.09.15 06:32:00 -
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Ummm. I think that photo is a little off. Did the guy kill you with one AV grenade?
One AV can't kill a fully armor tank.
I don't think the stat there is correct. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1917
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Posted - 2013.09.15 20:25:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Yeah, cause other weapons dont get nerfed and tweaked all the time, just vehicles You like to say others spread information but fall back on hyperbolic statements near constantly You throw ***** fits and try to railroad the conversation when called on it And you also like to post this challenge of driving a tank with you but when I take you up on it you no show and return none of the in game mails I sent to you so why should I believe you wont do the same thing again and just waste my time, and hell even if you do show Ill just blow up your tanks for fun 1. He wrote "specializations," not "weapons." The dedicated HAV pilot is his tank. If he can't make full use of his tank, then he's gimped. Imagine the fun of wearing a suit that crippled your ability to see your opponents unless at extremely close range even if your scanner is telling you that they're right there. Imagine the fun of having a dropsuit with maneuverability issues that cost one million isk to wear at standard level. Imagine the fun of speccing into this suit and not being able to utilize it until most of your skills are maxed at lvl 5, because everyone else is already spec'd into advanced and proto level counters for you, therefor denying you the ability to enjoy your character for months when you're a new player.2. Have you considered that you two are probably on different time zones and that you might not be on when the other is asleep or working? 3. Speaker is a pretty chill guy. I haven't observed him going off on anybody. You on the other hand seem to have a hot temper. 4. So basically, you'd just park his tank in the redline and wait for it to explode, rather than take him up on the challenge of proving him wrong? Out of spite or whatever? Huh. Interesting.
1. Im sure scouts and heavies would have plenty to say on various ways their specialities have been affected by balancing changes and fixing broken mechanics, and if you want to talk about counters please tell me how everything that isnt a swarm launcher or AV nade is not a counter to infantry and how there are not people with maxed out skills and prototype gear running around stomping on people making the game unenjoyable for them for months until they have enough SP to close the gap Vehicle players whine but the same thing happens to those on foot but rather than a few guys on the enemy team we have to worry about all of them
2. We hammered out a time that worked for both of us, IIRC hes eastern timezone and Im mountain so there wasnt a huge gap and we decided on an evening time that worked for us which he then no showed
3. I dont deny I have a hot temper but Speaker has also been riding my nuts for weeks trying to start **** with me, I call him on it and he starts to weasel around when taken to task
4. I tried taking him up on his challenge, he bailed, he wants to try this again and actually go through with it then Im sure he wont mind losing some isk to repay wasting some of my time |
Mary Sedillo
Mechanized Infantry Corps
314
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Posted - 2013.09.18 05:24:00 -
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I still don't think AV grenades are all that bad if you have a scanner and decent amount of resists as well as speed.
I don't think AV is balanced versus us, but skilled operators have been adapting.
I wish we would get some love. 1.5 is looking good. |
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