DUST Search - AV Grenades do >10,000 DMG

Daddrobit wrote:

Yokal Bob wrote:

what i would like to see to balance the game properly is the removal of AV completely, if your team can not spawn a tank then you can not counter it. seeing as there are 16 individual people in a team, the odds are slim that at least one person can not spawn a tank.

So wait, what you're saying here is that the only counter to a tank... Should be another tank?

Fine, but it can't damage infantry.

Anything can kill infantry, including and especially tanks. Even a basic blaster can take out any infantry in nearly an instant if the tanker can track for a second.

List of things that kill infantry by themselves:

-Assault Rifle
-Breach Assault Rifle
-Tactical Assault Rifle
-Laser Rifle
-Scrambler Rifle
-Assault Scrambler Rifle
-Sniper Rifle
-Tactical Sniper Rifle
-Charge Sniper Rifle (potential one hit kill)
-Mass Driver
-Assault Mass Driver
-Breach Mass Driver
-SMG
-Assault SMG
-Flaylock Pistol
-Forge Gun (one hit kill)
-Assault Forge Gun (one hit kill)
-Breach Forge Gun (one hit kill)
-Scrambler Pistol
-Assault Scrambler Pistol
-Breach Scrambler Pistol
-Shotgun (potential one hit kill)
-Breach Shotgun (potential one hit kill)
-Remote Explosives (one hit kill)
-Grenades (potential one hit kill)
-Small Blaster Turrets
-Small Missile Turrets (hard, but doable)
-Large Missile Turret
-Large Blaster Turret
-Large Railgun Turret (one hit kill)
-Nova Knives (hard, but doable)

List of things that can kill a tank by themselves:

-AV Nades, (more than you can carry, but possible with nanohives)
-Swarm Launchers
-Forge Gun
-Breach Forge Gun
-Assault Forge Gun
-Large Missile Turret (hard, but doable)
-Large Blaster Turret
-Large Railgun Turret
-AV Mines (kinda, I've only ever seen them work on a tank once and it was already injured to half health and was running. But I know if I don't include it there will be whining...)

So you want to reduce that list to a single counter of 3 large mounted turrets, when it's already less than one third the amount of weapons that can kill infantry, and only one weapon type of which is an infantry weapon capable of killing infantry with, and I'll assume you want to maintain the ability to kill every other thing on the battlefield with between 1-5 hits barring other tanks because I'm sure you'll want to give yourself a fighting chance am I right?

Yeahhhhhhh. How about no.


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Yokal Bob Ill Omens 252	Posted - 2013.09.13 13:40:00 - [1] - Quote what i would like to see to balance the game properly is the removal of AV completely, if your team can not spawn a tank then you can not counter it. seeing as there are 16 individual people in a team, the odds are slim that at least one person can not spawn a tank. note: i have proto AV swarms and forge, and a slightly better than standard tank. i do love chasing tanks but this way people on either side can not complain, plus it would be an incentive for people to spec into something they normally would not.
Yokal Bob Ill Omens 252	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:32:00 - [2] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: what i would like to see to balance the game properly is the removal of AV completely, if your team can not spawn a tank then you can not counter it. seeing as there are 16 individual people in a team, the odds are slim that at least one person can not spawn a tank. So wait, what you're saying here is that the only counter to a tank... Should be another tank? Fine, but it can't damage infantry. Anything can kill infantry, including and especially tanks. Even a basic blaster can take out any infantry in nearly an instant if the tanker can track for a second. List of things that kill infantry by themselves: -Assault Rifle -Breach Assault Rifle -Tactical Assault Rifle -Laser Rifle -Scrambler Rifle -Assault Scrambler Rifle -Sniper Rifle -Tactical Sniper Rifle -Charge Sniper Rifle (potential one hit kill) -Mass Driver -Assault Mass Driver -Breach Mass Driver -SMG -Assault SMG -Flaylock Pistol -Forge Gun (one hit kill) -Assault Forge Gun (one hit kill) -Breach Forge Gun (one hit kill) -Scrambler Pistol -Assault Scrambler Pistol -Breach Scrambler Pistol -Shotgun (potential one hit kill) -Breach Shotgun (potential one hit kill) -Remote Explosives (one hit kill) -Grenades (potential one hit kill) -Small Blaster Turrets -Small Missile Turrets (hard, but doable) -Large Missile Turret -Large Blaster Turret -Large Railgun Turret (one hit kill) -Nova Knives (hard, but doable) List of things that can kill a tank by themselves: -AV Nades, (more than you can carry, but possible with nanohives) -Swarm Launchers -Forge Gun -Breach Forge Gun -Assault Forge Gun -Large Missile Turret (hard, but doable) -Large Blaster Turret -Large Railgun Turret -AV Mines (kinda, I've only ever seen them work on a tank once and it was already injured to half health and was running. But I know if I don't include it there will be whining...) So you want to reduce that list to a single counter of 3 large mounted turrets, when it's already less than one third the amount of weapons that can kill infantry, and only one weapon type of which is an infantry weapon capable of killing infantry with, and I'll assume you want to maintain the ability to kill every other thing on the battlefield with between 1-5 hits barring other tanks because I'm sure you'll want to give yourself a fighting chance am I right? Yeahhhhhhh. How about no. i was been half serious lol, just wanted to see peoples reactions. but it does make for a good debate, because it means that each side should have at least one tank out, this means that we could once again see tank wars in order to keep the infantry alive, instead of one infantry seeing the tank and boom - tank dead.
Yokal Bob Ill Omens 253	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:45:00 - [3] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: Daddrobit wrote: [quote=Yokal Bob] Snip Snip i was been half serious lol, just wanted to see peoples reactions. but it does make for a good debate, because it means that each side should have at least one tank out, this means that we could once again see tank wars in order to keep the infantry alive, instead of one infantry seeing the tank and boom - tank dead. Sorry if i was abrasive, my sarcasm detector might not be in top shape since I'm tired. But man, I was just grouped with a guy the other night who legitimately and inconsolably thought that the only counter to a tank should be another tank... It was mildly infuriating.... ah no worries, its all fun on the forums :)