Sorry if i was abrasive, my sarcasm detector might not be in top shape since I'm tired. But man, I was just grouped with a guy the other night who legitimately and inconsolably thought that the only counter to a tank should be another tank... It was mildly infuriating....

Tankers want to sit inside a completely Invulnerable Shell, because it costs more ISK then our suits, yet they lay waste to 2-4m isk of suits per match easy, but oh boy if one of them fights back QQ time!

I'm slipping in to say that the people saying the anti-vehicle should be nerfed are bloody hilarious. Just... slow clap. I hope they realize they are using standard tanks, not advanced or prototype. Proto AV to a standard tank is the equivalent to a Duvolle against a standard AR.

Hahahahahaha.

Added note: I'm only slipping in here because people are acting like they are entitled to nearly unkillable tanks. Give me a module that reduce tank fire damage by 90% against my scout suit then. Hahahahaha.

have you ever, ever used a tank? it's ridiculously easy to get up on them if you have even the slightest hint of tactics in your mind when you see it.

I regularly ride on top of an enemy tank while shooting the main gun with a pistol just to annoy the driver. best was one backing into the redline and exploding with me on top of his tank when it happened. I died too, but it was so worth it.

Tankers want to sit inside a completely Invulnerable Shell, because it costs more ISK then our suits, yet they lay waste to 2-4m isk of suits per match easy, but oh boy if one of them fights back QQ time!

A few things here.

First off, the people saying the damage number you've shown is a cumulative thing are correct. It's ONLY damage applied by the specific person attacking you, and it resets after a certain period without taking damage from that player. So that 10,000 damage was almost certainly a combination of multiple attacks, and NOT the result of that single grenade hit.

That said, though, AV Grenades are in need of some toning down, whether that be a longer throwing animation or a reduction in damage or something else. As far as I'm concerned, Locus Grenades fill the role of a supporting weapon. If you're good with them, you can get a kill - maybe two - but in general they're more for area control/denial than a direct damage weapon. They help to make your other weapons more effective, they don't do the job for you. AV Grenades can be added at almost no cost to any infantry fitting and function as a perfectly capable AV weapon WITHOUT needing any other AV support. A handful of Scouts with Shotguns and AV Grenades are a legitimately deadly threat to both infantry and tanks.

Counter-balancing the need for an AV Grenade nerf is the fact that LAVs are already capable of surviving a couple of hits and continuing on - THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. No LAV, even LLAVs, should tank 3 AV Grenades and keep going. And no competently-fitted HAV should die to 3 AV Grenades unless it's a pure Militia fitting against Proto AV. To avoid breaking the system further than it already is, LAVs need a nerf to HP in proportion to the one applied to AV Grenades, or they'll become better at being murder taxis again.

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Now, please tell me again how they are balanced?

Sarcastic, but you made a good point here. Portable shielding to hide behind. Chaff grenades that blind tanks, EMP rifles that disable vehicles, hacker modules that let scouts steal occupied tanks. Give tools to the infantry that reward skillful play, and make every game different, not just blanket damage that kills all the fun.

that will destroy all use of tanks if everyone is able to steal a tank if someone is in the pilot seat. why the hell would anyone want that

The most sad part of this thread, is that CCP will listen to some of u bItchers and nerf yet another thing in this game making it even worse. i get it i do, snipers want to be unstoppable, tankers need to be almighty, MDs want to be all powerful and heavys want to be walking tanks. but d@mn people are u realizing that ur stupid little comments about sh!t needing to be changed to better suit this game to you, is destroying this game for everyone.

everything in this game has been nerf as CCP's response to the demands of the infantry players. all through this games history, the infantry has always dictated what gets nerfed and what gets buffed, if you want to blame anyone blame the infantry for the state of the game

The most sad part of this thread, is that CCP will listen to some of u bItchers and nerf yet another thing in this game making it even worse. i get it i do, snipers want to be unstoppable, tankers need to be almighty, MDs want to be all powerful and heavys want to be walking tanks. but d@mn people are u realizing that ur stupid little comments about sh!t needing to be changed to better suit this game to you, is destroying this game for everyone.

Bro, come on. Be fair. I only started playing in late June, but I've been reading old threads on these forums, and tanks have not been a factor since March of this year, when they lost marauders, and then had their pg nerfed, and even had their rail range snipped. Infantry has easily dominated the field since then. If this game is being destroyed for anyone at this point, it is definitely not because of tanks.

i like how people get bits of info. i dont care about tanks anymore it was just part of a list of points. BUT people getting bits of info like that explains why this game is like this now. Cause CCP listens to ADD/ ADHD and just plain stupid people about doing nerfs

you realize i just said that its the players fault......

i like how people get bits of info. i dont care about tanks anymore it was just part of a list of points. BUT people getting bits of info like that explains why this game is like this now. Cause CCP listens to ADD/ ADHD and just plain stupid people about doing nerfs

Oh look, another QQ tank thread

But all the threads about aim assist are just fine.

quick off topic point
people want this game to be more realistic, but still want aim assist

That my work in a tanking game but not in a FPS (First Person Shooter). Infantry has always been a good counter to tanks.

The Damage output looks a bit weired to me as I never was able to score that amount of damage with a single AV nade.

But I agree the counter to a tank should not be a grenade it should be an AV weapon. Av nades should be effective versus LAV not versus Tanks unless you spam them (at least 4 or 5).

We can only hope.

I want epic tank battles in matches, not some scout running towards me spamming Lai Dais.

If you want lower damage on an AV grenade, then you should be willing to accept 100% incoming damage from small arms.

Had a tank yesterday just sit there in a group of about 9 people, firing HMG's and Flaylocks and regular grenades into it.. It barely took any damage whatsoever, with no reps on. Flaylocks would do 30% damage, HMG's applied no more than 15.

We have to have some way to counter tanks, since regular weapons don't do it. Get over it already.

and I want to throw nuclear baseballs at you....how do we decide the winner?

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well it costs a **** ton more to be an effective infantry then it does to be an effective tank

isk? tanks cost me millions since without nuclear baseballs they troll roll us, when you see a tanker go 31-1 and complain about losing his 2 million isk tank, well how much do you think those suits cost the owners.

fun? I can tell you right now it's no fun at all getting trolled by tanks.

numbers? theirs more infantry then tank pilots, so you aren't winning that war.

end of the day av grenades are around because tanks are simply **** to fight if their is not a viable answer to them, aside from finding the nearest supply depot that they may or may not of blown up yet.

in your post, your blaming the people that are complaining that balance is broken nearly beyond repair, im telling you that you should blame the infantry.

Had two maxed out tanks sulk every one of my lai dais and a friends swarms. They are not op, improve your tank.

You're not telling us the whole story. How did he get so close to you? Bad positioning? Yeah, thought so.

I have to hit a Saga II LAV with 2 Advanced AV grenades and then finish it off with my FG or HMG.

Did you consider that maybe you were being hit with other types of AV (invisible swarms) (Tower FG) at the same time and the Grenade was simply the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak?

I know I have been hit by an AR when I have very little armor left, it always says the weapon does a ridiculous amount of damage when this happens.

I suppose in other games it would be considered "overkill" damage.

What were you doing that close to Infantry?